Why Bitcoin Succeeds | The Saylor Series | Episode 12 (WiM050)
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needs we've talked about how
gold emerged
its limitations
why it ultimately fails
talked about
why currency was introduced to augment
some of its shortcomings
but also suffers from its own problems
and it ultimately fails as we have seen
and are seeing
so how does
bitcoin fit into the picture
i mean simply put bitcoins the best
money that the human race has ever
had
the ability to embrace
we know gold is defective because
of its mechanical nature and we know
fiat's defective because of its
political nature
bitcoin why does bitcoin work right
bitcoin has
the things that you need in order to
construct a shared
immutable
correct ledger
right that's our target
shared immutable correct ledger
and bitcoin's got a base layer protocol
the base layer protocol is genetically
encoded in the system from day one the
21 million coins is one of the critical
parts of it
the
2.1 quadrillion satoshis
and
no more than that
i think uh the set i mean the second
part of the protocol is not just the
mathematical
coin
parameter it's also the proof of work
security model
so when we created it we created it with
21 million coin limit we created it
satoshi created it with a proof of work
and that is the part that makes it
more likely to be immutable
and shared
and correct
and the third part
is the balance of power between the
miners the nodes and the wallets or the
holders
i you know
it wasn't inevitable that you had to
build it this way
right uh bitcoin is an engineered
monetary system
so it's it's a feat of engineering
they built a protocol they chose
components they chose the cryptography
they chose proof of work
all of these were engineered components
and um
and then uh the balance of power between
the miners the nodes and the holders
with the wallets
that became clearer
in the block size wars i think
and following the block size wars i mean
first miners were the nodes and then the
miners and the nodes split
and uh
eventually we saw that um
the nodes themselves had a huge amount
of power
to check the power of the miners
but now we're seeing the emergence of
the power of the holders
and of course
the holders are all three of these
dimensions are decentralizing at a rapid
rate
so i would say that you know we need the
protocol at the base layer
that base layer protocol that that i
just described that replaces the gold
that was here at the beginning of the
universe
and it replaces the base layer protocol
that's the political artifact of any
kind of fiat currency
the second thing that bitcoin has
that makes it
a much better money is it as an
application layer protocol
the base layer protocol
you know ensures that we'll have never
have more than 21 million bitcoin i mean
that's the the most important thing and
then it ensures
what do i need i
i need uh
durability integrity
and security
so i need to know that it'll never be
more than 21 million bitcoin even a
thousand years from now
i need to know
that people aren't going to monkey with
you know material things like the
frequency
or the block size
that's the integrity part of it and and
uh
i guess in dirty durability integrity
they go arm and arm right in a way
because if if you change the frequency
and the block size you may inadvertently
end up changing the limit at some point
because you break it
and then you need security you need to
you need to know that no malwa factor
can hack it or break into the network
so
we're getting all of those things the
security the integrity the durability
via the base layer protocol
but the application layer protocol
is also important and that's you know
the ability to do final settlement
transactions at the base layer with a
bitcoin wallet address
and
you know you we could debate
interestingly robert like
do you need lightning or not
and that's an interesting debate
because i i think that if we just had
the ability to do base layer
transactions on the bitcoin network
the system is still perfected enough to
serve as a monetary system
you would end up with um
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you would end up with with uh
the layer two application being built
via
by a counter parties with some
counterparty risk
right instead of instead of what you can
do with lightning but the combination of
base layer transactions via bitcoin
wallet and then layer two transactions
via lightning wallet
i think those two things together
you know are kind of
they're clearly
superior
as an application level protocol
and if you group them together and say
that is the the
non-custodial
decentralized open source
protocol for moving money around in the
bitcoin standard
then you've got the the structure of
something really compelling
another way to describe this is
bitcoin gives you um a base layer
protocol to move large sums of money
around at small cost
in an hour
and it gives you
a layer two protocol to move
mid-level and small sums of money around
instantly
for almost nothing
on my lightning wallet you know i can i
can move a thousand satoshis at the cost
of one satoshi in a second
which is more efficient
right i can move a hundred thousand
satoshi's
it's like thirty dollars right i can
move thirty dollars for one satoshi in a
second
that makes that layer two protocol
you know faster
and more efficient than any other
currency transfer protocol that i'm
aware of in the history of the world
right and my understanding of it is as
the network proliferates and the network
density grows
the transactions per second actually
increase
and i don't think there's an upper bound
on that so the lighting network could
actually be
at full scale this global system of
you know instant final settlement
effectively which is mind-blowing
yeah i mean i think the lightning
network is really strategic to the
proliferation of bitcoin
but uh as as a theorist i think that
what's critical to bitcoin success is
not the lightning network but the
underlying bitcoin
final settlement
as long as someone can take final
settlement of a hundred thousand dollars
in an hour
for five bucks
or 50 cents or or
i think right now probably if you took
if you set a lower fee and you were
willing to wait longer right you can you
can take final settlement in a day
for
a nickel
some some very small amount and if you
want it done fast then you pay
more yeah but
i recall
that optionality is what keeps
counterparties honest as you said i
recall
you describing people being polite in
miami because everyone's potentially
armed
that kind of dynamic
yeah it means you can pull your bitcoin
off the exchange or out of the bank or
away from your counter party in an hour
yep
and i so i think that's critical i think
that's critical
i think lightning is
is uh
probably something that's going to
accelerate
you know the spread of bitcoin and it
and it's the logical next step if we can
engineer a decentralized non-custodial
crypto asset network
based upon private keys and crypt
cryptography and the like as bitcoin
then
there's no reason why we couldn't
engineer a layer to
a bitcoin that's also non-custodial
and decentralized
that makes a difference at a trade-offs
in essence i think the lightning network
is a decentralized
open
uh open proof-of-stake network
but but the the critical issue is it's a
proof-of-stake network not staked with
its own token but staked with the
underlying token of bitcoin
which makes it a much higher integrity
um
much higher integrity um
much longer living more secure
open decentralized network than one that
was created with its own token which
would be kind of self-referential right
right and the the i guess one other
slight difference there is the actual
revenues generated on lightning are for
routing transactions
versus just
staking the asset you get some
percentage yield off the asset you're
actually getting paid for services
rendered
yeah
which makes sense yeah
so
we've got two things we've got a base
layer protocol and we've got an
application layer protocol
and so why does the bitcoin standard
work or why is bitcoin uh the best
monetary system
right how does it succeed in reality
well let's start with inflation
the scourge of inflation which destroys
fiat and destroys gold
doesn't exist in bitcoin you've got a
cons a conservative system
and a mathematically complete system so
it's mathematically correct
and it is conservative in a
thermodynamic sense that that we don't
add additional energy in the system nor
does it deplete energy in the system
and the basis of that conservation
is that uh base layer protocol
right the base layer protocol plus the
proof of work together you could have
designed a system
which
wasn't
conservative right just because you get
everything else right if satoshi had
gotten everything else right
but then left some randomness or some
inflation in the token count
you know
it wouldn't have been ideal um
i think the second thing
that is a big attribute for it is uh
the difficulty of confiscation
so the the private keys
of cryptography are the strongest
property rights in the history of the
human race
so if we think about cryptography as the
as the basis of property rights
then truthfully the only property you
can really own
is
is um digital property on a secure
crypto asset network
of which the only one we know of is
bitcoin so right now
right the only property you can truly
own is bitcoin like look if we ever went
to alpha centauri and we went to a new
planet and and we cut off
you know cut off communication with the
earth it's possible that the dictator of
alpha centauri could spin up another
bitcoin network centauri network
and if it was a closed system given
enough
and it had the same exact
mathematics as this
as it spread as a virus
and infected the billions of people in
alpha centauri it would be its own
crypto acid network right so you can
imagine something like that
but right now what you've got is one
successful life form
and that is bitcoin and uh
and so you've got one successful digital
property
and now now we actually have
an engineered property and so you have
an a scientific basis for property
rights
and we never had it before and it's
illustrated pretty effectively it's like
if if you have a million dollars
and and um you
convert the million into a building
well the building can be seized by the
mayor by eminent domain you can lose
your building so that and you can't move
the building so that the building is
impaired property and
the building can be taxed
it is immobile it can be seized it can
be taxed
and it also has physical nexus which
means
you know a meteorite can fall on it or
an earthquake can wipe it out
so there are risks to the building
the useful life of the building is a
hundred years
maybe less if it's poorly constructed
so
and it's only appealing to people in
that geographic political nexus
if the building was in north korea
how valuable is a building in north
korea to an investment company in new
york city
right right so
so a building is property leaves a lot
to be desired land as property has the
same issue
you know a block in manhattan is a lot
more valuable than a block you know in
the middle of the desert
because the land is geographically
located next to
uh a lot of investors with a lot of
money that can actually develop the land
uh for some economic purpose
and the land can be impaired and taxed
you know the property tax uh you know in
fact there's a phrase in the real estate
business they always talk about triple
net
and you know triple net is like
like after taxes
after your taxes you know maintenance
after your expenses
etc um
so these are high maintenance properties
they're very expensive and not very
portable yeah
so you can you can rifle through the
properties well there's art there's gold
there's silver there's commodities
there's securities there are bonds there
are currency baskets
they all have
they all have some liability many of
them are currency derivatives and so as
currency derivatives they have
they have an you know dilution coming
from the inflation the underlying
currency
but the ones that have have physicality
are subject to search and seizure and
impairment
because you can't move them and then
some are
others
are unique maybe but
you know even though you might own art
people are going to create making more
or they're going to keep making more art
and so if you're looking for a property
that no one can seize that no one can
that is is hardest to impaired bitcoin
is the hardest to impair property
it's it's
technically i would say it's probably
the hardest to tax
the hardest to destroy
and the hardest to seize and the hardest
to impair
of any property
available to you to purchase right at
this point
i would say um
one thing i think is really interesting
here is that you know if we define
property
as an exclusive relationship between
an owner and an asset
but that relationship requires
enforcement you know typically it's
enforced via the government historically
um but bitcoin's different right bitcoin
is this property right
that's in you can enforce yourself yeah
enforced by the network and it's
actually
the first property right completely
independent of that monopoly on violence
like not only does it not require
enforcement by the government but is
completely independent of the government
and that um
that's just a lot to get your head
around i think that we've actually
invented a property right fully
independent of government
yeah it's
and and we'll talk about it more when we
get to talking about proof of work and
mining and the like
as you can go really deep into the bases
of security for this property
but for the purposes of the bitcoin
standard right now i think the most
important thing to be said is
is
it's the hardest thing to confiscate on
earth yep
and i joke you can't take it with you
if i shoot you in the head you can't
take your gold with you
the egyptian pharaohs built pyramids
take the goal with them they were all
robbed
if i said to you take a million dollars
and buy some property and then
and uh you have to make sure that um
and you're going to be murdered by
somebody that you and your family
next week buy some property that they
won't get after you're dead
what is that property
there's only one right yeah i mean
securities and bonds and currencies
won't last
gold all these things are seizable
you can't take them with you
but if you buy bitcoin and you hold the
private keys in your head when you die
the bitcoin goes with you and no one
else gets their hands on it and the
significance of that is because it's
impossible to confiscate with force
and because it disappears with your
death
then any hostile actor always has an
incentive to negotiate with you
because it's better for me to hold a gun
to your head and take half of it
then pull the trigger and get none of it
yep
and that's not true with any other
property in all other cases i can pull
the trigger and get all of it
yeah
and so you you have an unstable
situation
with that property and the interesting
thing is that confiscation element
it works at the individual level the
institutional level in the nation-state
level
so if one nation is going to declare a
war in another nation and murder
everybody they get their gold
they also get their land
they also get their factories i mean
there's a joke neutron bomb i'll just
nuke you and we'll leave the cities i
might get the gold the silver the
farmland the buildings the factories
the ships
but i wouldn't get the bitcoin
and so
the spoils of war bitcoin is not spoils
of war
right
other things maybe
but bitcoin is not spoilers of war
with regard to a bank or or a financier
if you own the bitcoin and someone puts
a claim against you the way it normally
works is
like
i've got a million dollars with a bank
and i borrow against it and then they
decide to mark my securities down and
they force liquidate me and they sell
all my securities and take my property
that happened uh that happened with arc
archos architos
i mean it happens all the time it
happens all the time on crypto exchanges
if you have your crypto on the exchange
or your bitcoin and you borrow against
it
and then you can't meet a margin call
they can force liquidate your
your assets and they seize them but if
you pull your assets off the exchange
and if you hold your private keys then
your bank can't seize your assets in a
hostile fashion
they would be more likely to negotiate
with you
and because you can take custody of it
you don't necess you don't necessarily
need
to rely upon this all or nothing either
i give you all my stocks and i borrow
against them or you have none of them
we could split the difference with
i give you proof that i have it
right proof of reserves without the
transfer of the asset
and return for a different type of loan
so let me ask you a question real quick
so we're touching on something really
important that
bitcoin
alters the economic logic of violence
which is a very important
element of how humans organize
themselves yeah and you mentioned
previously you know the beginning of the
series how war
has this tendency to accelerate learning
for people you know kind of under the
duress of war or the desperation of
warfare we figure out new new ways of
doing things
do you think
armed conflict in the 21st century could
accelerate
nation state adoption of bitcoin as this
sort of
advantage dawns on them that they can't
be you know they can be plundered of
their gold but not necessarily their
bitcoin yeah i mean i think i think all
stress all stress will accelerate the
adoption of new technology
right for example
when people are fighting wars like when
we're fighting wars we were hauling over
c-130s or freighters air freighters full
of pallets of cash right
yep
so
normally the way you fight wars is with
gold or with cash or something
and uh and if you're cut off right and
you need to buy or or sell materials of
some sort you need hard currency
so i i think that uh yeah it will
accelerate the adoption of technology
like bitcoin
uh and and coming back to this issue
right because it's not confiscatable
it doesn't invite violence on your
person from other family members
like for example you ever worry about
being murdered by a family member be
because of whatever your will says
if you're if you had your bitcoin in a
multi-signature relationship or
multi-sig something or other
then maybe uh maybe it changed the
dynamic so i think um
i think all sorts of violence
you know against the individual against
the company or the institution or
against the uh
the municipality or the nation state i
think those are all less likely
and more likely to result more less
likely to happen and more likely to
result in negotiation
so why else is bitcoin going to succeed
why is it succeeding well because
hypothecation is so much more difficult
i'm not saying impossible but the layer
one and the layer two protocols bitcoin
and lightning those mitigate the need
for hypothecation
right it's it's less likely you would
need
you would need to trust all your assets
if i can move
one percent of my assets a day for a
satoshi
then i wouldn't put all my assets in a
bank
right now all of your assets all your
stocks are probably in a bank you don't
hold any of them right
in theory you could actually take
possession of your stocks is like
certificates and put them in a safe
deposit box and you know take them out
of street name they say
yeah i don't even know if you can do
that people don't do it yeah i think
that i
i may be wrong about this but i think
the dtcc now officially owns all stocks
even if you own the certificate
yeah so it's harder and harder yeah
yeah so the protocols mitigate
hypothecation and also they punish
um hypothecators
like if someone did go naked short
bitcoin in order to make a quick dollar
and you pulled all your bitcoin off the
exchange and they have to then settle
right creates a massive short squeeze
yeah so whenever you pull those
securities away from the hypothecator
then they get squeezed
so if i knew that it was impossible like
if you had a billion in gold i know
you're never going to take delivery of
it i can
you know short it 101
and if i knew you'd never take delivery
the bitcoin i might get a little bit
cute but
but in a world where people can then
you know there are there are exchanges
that
fail
just like there are bad banks that fail
it's just that they're failing
continually in bitcoin because that's
the nature of the free market and that's
how the free market
squeezes out
um defective actors and malicious actors
right
and the ones that
the ones that have perfected security
and the like they succeed
so the the fourth dimension of
of um virtue for bitcoin is uh you know
superior authentication
and again the layer one the layer two
protocols and cryptography in general
what you can do proof of keys and the
like and proof of
reserves they um they solve the
authentication issue
and
it's maybe it's solved
you know for the first time effectively
you know when you want to settle or you
want to buy a piece of real estate
sometimes it takes a week two weeks to
do a title search
and it's a manual process so you're
talking about a hyper expensive
manual process to even to even do a
title search on a small amount of
property
and bitcoin gives you a way that's i
mean presumably it
it's somewhere between thousand and a
million times cheaper and faster
like it's not an order of magnitude it's
it's many orders of magnitude better on
the authentication
and maybe more important than that um
it's all you can automate the
authentication
so that means that a computer program
could authenticate 100 million different
holders
every hour
for a nickel
right and when you get to that level
that opens up the possibility to create
new types of businesses and new types of
applications that that otherwise would
have been cost prohibitive because the
friction involved
bitcoin succeeds succeeds over fiat
based upon transportation and uh
dynamics too the fifth element
of virtue
it's fast on layer one
and it's instant on layer two
moving a hundred million dollars of
property on layer one in an hour is fast
but moving a hundred million dollars or
maybe even moving them moving a hundred
thousand dollars on a layer two in a
second for nearly free
is instant
and so so it's just much faster
and and uh it comes with no
no artificial geopolitical
um
geopolitical constraints
right even when you have fast on fiat
you have fast subjects of geopolitical
constraints that are continually
shifting whereas fast and bitcoin has no
geopolitical jurisdiction it's
cyberspace it's orthogonal to
geopolitical space
and um
what you want is a situation where a
billion people in china
could all authenticate themselves and
trade on a value network
through the great chinese firewall to a
website sitting in cuba or sitting in
the u.s
you'll never do that with any kind of
fiat system right in fact in fact the
entire
chinese system is constructed to to
create a capital firewall so that
capital can't flow out of china or in
china the central bank chokes it in
order to in order to maintain the rmb
peg
versus the dollar
so that idea that i can i can cross that
layer instantly
that means i can build
i can build a value exchange into a
billion transactions a minute
and i can build a value exchange that
flows in a billion transactions a minute
for a billion people across 100 million
different applications
and they can all they can all move
fluidly right so i guess it's the
difference between
if you want a metaphor right
liquid fluid flow
uh into a container
like that's bitcoin and lightning
or
um
you take uh
one kilogram gold blocks
and you can move or or even london good
delivery bars right
are they 400 gram
400 no 400 ounce or whatever i forget
yeah 400 ounce london good delivery bars
you can do what you can build whatever
you want with those
but one of them is it's like legos that
are 400 ounces each and the other
is water
liquid right or air
you know there's just no comparison
between the two static versus dynamic
yeah and completely liquid like yeah try
what i want you to do is construct a
tornado
with london good delivery bars of gold
yeah
you can you know you can imagine a
tornado with air and water
or a whirlpool or a cyclone
you just can't imagine that with
big you know
bars of gold
because one's discreet and the other is
continuous so it's the difference
between discrete fluid dynamics
and maybe arithmetic
with uh legos or something you know it's
like
you're like well legos is fine yeah it's
fine for third graders
yeah
but legos you can't design a rocket
nozzle with legos right
you're not going to design the wing of a
supersonic airfoil with legos
you know you need continuous fluid
dynamics
you need more optionality right again
we're back to this
there's some core point here where
again earlier the customer optionality
to withdraw their bitcoin out of the
bank at any time
keeps the service provider honest
yeah so then the service providers
actually have to compete for the
business which gives us lower prices
better services more innovation more
wealth more freedom
and it's it's this it all it's all
rooted in this precision
uh
of customer choice right where the
similar with the legos you don't have as
much options with a big block but if
you're at the molecular level of the
fluid you have a lot of optionality
there is a dance between counter parties
and
you know are you dancing you know using
two ton granite blocks
or are you dancing
you know using water are you dancing
with air
and what what what structures can you
create
um
and
you know if we take all those things
together
and you consider the consequences for
distribution right bitcoin is something
that can be distributed to everybody on
earth for free effectively free so it's
truly liquid what i need is if i wanted
to distribute something to 8 billion
people and i wanted
8 billion transactions an hour forever
like i want that degree of fluidity
i need to do it at the price of a
satoshi a transaction i need to do it
with
very low friction so the so
this low transport cost this low
friction results in massive distribution
and we can see with gold for example
there isn't one ounce of gold for
everybody in the world to give them and
so there's no way to distribute money
with gold
and if we take fiat we know there's 1.7
billion people that are unbanked
maybe more
right and so
and and we know the ones that are banked
are imperfectly banked and the banks
don't cross-connect so
we can't find a good way to distribute
money via fiat or by a goal but via
bitcoin we do have a clear way
and i mean the last element is this
division right the ability to break it
down i can't break down a gold bar a
gold coin
i can sort of break down fiat but in it
but even one penny is like too much
sometimes
being able to go to one satoshi is
better than one penny
yeah
especially
because of this one thing
one of the big problems in cyber
security
is um
is
spamming and scamming
so
i i can't use the dms of my instagram
because they're all 99 of the
communication is spam or scam
i can't really use the dms of
non-verified or non-followed individuals
in twitter because of the same thing
i can't really use email
without very expensive email filters
that are continually filtering out spam
and scam and the like so there's there's
massive amounts of cyber insecurity
every single day if you have a website
it gets attacked sometimes by a denial
of service attack
there are all sorts of hostile actors
that will do ddos attacks all the time
the reason for
for uh ddos attacks and scam and spam
is there's no cost
right
to attack it there's no skin in the game
and so
what we need is to introduce skin in the
game the way to do it is to require a
value exchange
whenever you move to a router if you
if you had to
uh to pay a price to send a message
at some point you would attenuate large
amounts of that scammy spammy activity
and that's why proof of work was
invented in the first place right adam
back was trying to come up with a
solution
to stop spam
but the other thing you can do is is um
you can actually tie um
the value say
a hundred thousand satoshi's as a
security deposit into your persona
online
if you if you posted a hundred thousand
satoshi's
to your twitter account
and if they gave you an orange check
and that was your security deposit then
the understanding would be you know if
you misbehave you get fined
and if you're a malicious actor
you know maybe you forfeit the security
deposit
this is the way it works when you're
renting a home
yeah this is the way it works in in
in all
all the real world you're a bonded
laborer
this is you can't drive a car without
proof of insurance
right i mean so we have these kind of
insurance policies or security deposits
or performance bonds
that pop up all through the real world
economy and in the absence of all of
those because you're a real world actor
you have a risk and the risk is if you
misbehave you have culpability you're
responsible you may get pulled over by a
cop
if you say something rude to somebody's
wife you may get punched in the face
i mean you have you have either economic
skin in the game or you have actual skin
in the game right if you walk out onto a
bridge that's rickety and you screw
around and do backflips and you fall off
the bridge you may die yeah there are
consequences in the real world and the
economic world but there are no
consequences in cyberspace for many of
these activities
and so the result is people actually
even create programs to create bots yes
and i might spit out a hundred million
fake michael sailors that do irrational
malicious things and they're not even me
they can't die
right and the the result of that that by
the way when you do that that's a denial
of service attack
the result of that is cyber insecurity
so the fluidity
the speed and the efficiency of the
bitcoin lightning network
has has the potential to give us a
solution to the cyber security problem
if we simply start to tie
a small lightning wallet or or an amount
into some of these systems that youtube
google and facebook and amazon and apple
and twitter and
medium and reddit
all these other places where people are
you know there's not a day that goes by
that someone doesn't post a michael
saylor video on youtube offering to get
your free bitcoin
like that's not me yeah yeah
but there's no verification on youtube
or registration so if you had to
actually post some deposit and if you
were forfeited the deposit but by the
way
it's not that they don't take down the
accounts they do
um they take them down within a day
of when i report them every day there's
10 michael saylor accounts that get
taken down on twitter it's just there's
no economic cost right exactly i mean i
i understated that really the truth is
in my news feed there's a thousand fake
michaels that have stolen my image and
my name
if you charged them all a quarter each
it would become a massive revenue source
for twitter the scammers would
immediately realize that there's a cost
to attack the system yes
the amount of malicious behavior would
drop by 99
this is a tragedy of the commons
effectively right the free loader
problem where there's no cost to these
imitators so they just keep repeating it
and apparently it's a profitable
enterprise because to your point there's
new ones every day
and this
and so the reason it exists is because
the fiat standard system makes it too
difficult to actually post something of
monetary value right
the only way you can post something of
monetary value in the fiat standard is
with a credit card and you dox yourself
and then you're not anonymous anymore
and so that's offensive to one group of
people that don't want to be
identified they want privacy but it's
also prohibitive to another group of
people that don't have a credit card
and a third group of people that have a
credit card but the credit card won't
clear across nation-state boundaries
boundaries
bitcoin solves that problem
yeah
and it fixes it so on one hand
one extreme
benefit is yeah bitcoin's a way to store
a billion dollars for a hundred years
on the other extreme bitcoins a way for
everybody on twitter to post 30 cents
in order to eliminate
99.9 percent of the malicious behavior
and improve the quality experience
now back to your dance
if twitter can ask for a hundred
thousand satoshi deposit
and if people give it and if twitter's
quality of service goes up by an order
of magnitude and their cyber security
enhances that might put pressure on
that might put pressure on google
and ultimately now what you have is
every big tech company competing with
every other tech company to improve
their service by building bitcoin
and their service
because bitcoin can eliminate uh fraud
on youtube
and bitcoin can eliminate fraud and
cyber insecurity on instagram
and so you you've got you've got
something
it's like why why do i adopt this new
technology
because i can or because i need to
the early adopter does it because you
can and the later adopters do it because
because they need to a paypal doesn't
roll out bitcoin and square does
then square starts to eat paypal's lunch
right and the paypal and square both
roll out bitcoin and apple and google
don't
right then they're
at a loss right so you have competition
that's embracing new technology to
progress the civilization to a better
space bitcoin's the future for cyber
it's it's the promise of cyber security
right in fact that that's the great
irony
criticize bitcoin as maybe being a tool
of of cyber hackers
but but the but the ultimate destiny of
bitcoin is to make cyberspace safe for
eight billion people yeah by building it
into
every cyber offering and creating
you know skin in the game
yes for every male factor
and consequences
that are not based upon counter party
risk and don't have to be threaded
through
nation states or central banks or a
credit card company
yeah it's it's truly
transformational and you know just
simply by introducing that risk of loss
for agents in the system
you're just incentivizing honesty which
is again kind of this grand theme with
bitcoin
uh and one other benefit that
you know this is kind of just a promise
of bitcoin now it's still experimental
but the idea of building social media
applications on top of the lightning
network in a way that they are actually
censorship resistant
i think that experimentation is very
important
especially as we see more people being
de-platformed canceled censored etc
um so it seems like there's this
potential for bitcoin to restore
honest you know unstoppable discourse in
the digital age
yeah bitcoins bitcoin is the crypto
asset network and
lightning is this uh crypto transaction
network
and it's possible for us to have other
crypto application networks to
decentralize
uh open
non-custodial and and they all have
promise
based upon the core idea
so
if we wrap up this entire bitcoin
standard discussion why does bitcoin
succeed in theory
well
because the base layer protocol is
mathematically sound and secure
and the application level layer protocol
is
sound
and it's open to upgrade
and the therefore the property rights
that it delivers are perfected and
they're open to upgrade
the open network
means that you can upgrade them and when
i say upgrade it you know maybe upgrade
means keep making the lightning network
better maybe upgrade means roll out
square cash app with cash tags maybe the
upgrade means building an apple pay
you know what does it mean it means a
hundred thousand different things
right there's a free market a darwinian
competition
to build
applications and other types of
platforms
that
that are upgrading the bitcoin protocol
and they're they're
they're drawing on uh the promise of
digital property in order to meet some
other
use case
and uh there'll be some that will
succeed there'll be so there's gonna be
exchanges that fail
some succeed
there's a hundred
thousand ways to think about a wallet
right some will be better than others
the market will sort it out we've got
we've got a very competitive darwinian
system
but
you know the the result is every
intelligent person that encounters
bitcoin
they're incentivized to find a way to
make bitcoin more valuable
and they might do it by a creative
financial application
they might do it with security
they might do it with a device they
might do it with
you know a software program they might
do it by plugging into a different
network a different way
and some ideas will be great ideas and
other ideas will be good ideas and some
ideas will be
bad ideas
and bitcoin will benefit from the good
ideas it will accelerate from the great
ideas and it will ignore
and slough off
the bad ideas
and uh
that's something that uh
the gold and fiat they don't have
working for them
right you could imagine
some gold applications but you were
crippled you know gold jewelry
gold goblets gold coins
and then that's the end of the road with
gold and with fiat applications we took
that much further you know heck we
created sovereign debt
we created all sorts of interesting
money markets and and all sorts of other
securities with fiat
we created travelers checks we created
credit cards
you can't say there aren't interesting
applications the entire visa and
mastercard network is
kind of a thing of awesome beauty if you
compare it to the system of roman gold
coinage
clearly yeah big advantage it got the
civilization of where it is
bitcoin is really just still early days
you know we're just into the second
decade
and um and these these applications
and these networks that'll be built on
it
are in some ways a blink of an eye
but you see
you see in the conventional world uh
companies like nidig and knight x built
a
a c5 platform and that platform
is being used to deploy bitcoin type
services to banks downstream
you know they've they've created a
platform so that you could create a
credit card that integrates with bitcoin
some way and
so that's layer two layer three
it's not it's a custodial layer too not
a non-custodial layer to it you have
counterparty risk in knightig
but there's nothing that says that it
couldn't become uh a non-custodial
lightning-based platform at some point
right who knows
but that's one approach and then
lightning is another approach to a layer
two a non-custodial decentralized
layer two
but you know that's not the only there's
no monopoly on this you know you could
create a competitor to it if you wanted
to
and then you can and then you can create
uh applications like square cache app
which is another kind of custodial
application but
it is an open custodial application so
to the extent that you want to you can
move your bitcoin out
and move it to another
another layer to platform or to another
application or
just take self-custody
so it's going to solve just different
ways that the network is evolving i was
just going to say even the custodial
risk is
different with bitcoin because it's
trivial to take delivery of it you know
it's cheap relatively cheap to secure
so even if you are taking some
counterparty risk with some of these
layer 2 layer 3 technologies
a lot of them can be set up to either
you withdrawal manually or even automate
the withdrawal into self-custody
yeah sometimes the hardcore bitcoiners
are
they're a little bit uh hard on
everybody
and uh it's like the perfect enemy of
the good
for example
if i buy the bitcoin and i trust a
counterparty for a week but i have the
option
to take it off the exchange or out of
the mobile app when i want
that's a totally different situation
than if i bought a million dollars worth
of land in california
right exactly you will never in a
million years be able to move the
million dollars of land in california
out of california right so
the custodial risk of a building
or land is orders of magnitude greater
you're trusting the mayor of the city
and the governor and the nation state
and every bureaucrat
and you're never going to change that
whereas
like even even if you bought bitcoin on
paypal when they didn't have the wire
out option
people like had a you know big fit on
twitter but the truth is
so you had some bitcoin on paypal and
for six months you couldn't uh take
custody of it and then after six months
because of the
the the big uh
the big
protest about it eventually they
upgraded their wallet and now you can
right so
so it is possible if you buy bitcoin
in certain places that you'll be able to
custody it or move it somewhere in the
next year or two or three years
but it's absolutely impossible that you
will ever you know convert a building in
new york city
you know into something which you know
moves at the speed of light on the
lightning network right
not not without selling it liquidating
it paying the capital gain tax on it and
converting it right so yeah
so i think that um
generally you know just about all these
flavors of bitcoin
you know are
our higher quality property
and even when you um
you know
sometimes people want to own the bitcoin
outright like and i get that because
like our company owns the bitcoin
outright because we want to be able to
transfer it to any counterparty and take
custody and do whatever we want with it
we want
sovereignty over it but
if you were to own bitcoin in a fund or
an etf
it's still higher it's the second
highest quality property you could own
it's not the it's not the best property
in the universe because the best
property in the universe is on the
bitcoin but the second best property in
the universe
is own a bitcoin derivative that's one
for one backed by bitcoin from a
counterparty that you can reasonably
trust
right and there are plenty of examples
where
people have buckets of money and they
can buy the security but they can't buy
the bitcoin
like like you it's unlike in some
retirement plan and yeah buy a security
b can't buy the bitcoin and there are
lots of investors
trillions and trillions of dollars of
money managers and they've raised money
i might have a hundred
i have 10 billion dollars in my
portfolio and because of tax code or
because of law
or because the contracts i have with my
limited partners or the charter i can't
buy the bitcoin but i can buy
a security based on bitcoin
and so the i mean the real world is
is a nuanced one where there are lots of
different types of capital
not all capital is fungible right not
if i have a billion dollars it doesn't
mean i can just convert a billion
dollars into bitcoin overnight i might
have a hundred million and all i can do
is buy land
and i might have another 100 million all
i can do is buy a security
and i might have
another 100 million and all i can buy is
debt
if that was the case
i would prefer to have debt backed by
bitcoin land underneath the bitcoin
miner
and a security that is a bitcoin backed
security because those three things
would be sitting on a stronger
foundation
of collateral
than to buy three things that have no
relationship to bitcoin
and uh and so
that's one that's the value of bitcoin
ultimately
you compare gold standard to fiat
standard to bitcoin standard and your
conclusion is
uh
bitcoin is is simply digital money and
digital money is
is an engineered system to create
a shared immutable
correct
ledger
if you were satoshi and you were doing
it again
your checklist would be
okay how do i make it shared and open
uh how do i keep it from changing
you know
how do i make it mathematically correct
and then what kind of things can i put
in it that will cause the entire world
to want to protect it and secure it and
improve it over time
instead of attack it and destroy it
and i think that's what
satoshi created
this this engineered
digital digital asset network that
happens to make
the perfect monitor the best monetary
system that the human race has come up
with
if there's ever a better one
you'll start from those principles right
of digital money
and you'll say
how do i make it
better
you know and you you could imagine maybe
something better but what's most likely
to happen is is the bitcoin blockchain
just migrates into the better thing
that's right and it and it goes on
right yeah yeah the ad activity injects
itself into the better thing and carries
on i don't know why it wouldn't last
thousands and thousands of years yeah
yeah you would you would assume that the
utxo set would just migrate wherever it
needed to go um again is that that open
source adaptivity of bitcoin makes it
seemingly
disruption proof
because what can you do how do you
disrupt it i mean
it's really interesting and um
i think this is a brilliant way to look
at it
um
so one last
question here
clearly
it is superior property for all the
reasons we've laid out
what is the impediment
to people understanding this is it just
the i guess the proof of work necessary
to study bitcoin to understand all of
this or
or is it a misunderstanding of property
is it a combination
um
i think it's uh
it's just the rate at which the human
race can embrace a profound idea
there there's the speed of light and
that's a limit you know einstein spent a
lot of time talking about
and the speed of light is kind of the
rate at which the universe can
communicate you know
with itself
and the speed of sound
and that you know
the speed of sound is is the mechanical
rate
at which uh air can communicate
right if you're moving faster than the
speed of sound you're arriving before
the molecules can get out of the way
and that's why there's a shock wave
because you're moving too fast
you can't you know the speed of light is
like that's the speed limit
now there's a speed
a a a speed uh through of which an idea
can move through a socio-political
economic fluid that we call a culture
how fast
can um
can an idea move through a culture and
it would be a function i think of
you know cognitive bandwidth of human
beings
and distraction and life expectancy of
human beings
and how fast they speak
with each other
and how much you sleep
you know and if you ever look at you
know look at animals
you ever see you know some of the
animals the smaller ones seem to move
faster than you and me
all right right
they've you know they're at a much
different frequency yes
right they can agree disagree karine
into uh you know into a brick wall come
back regroup karine into another one
agree again and move forward all in the
amount of time that we're deciding
whether we should make a
it's decision frequency yeah
so this is socio-political frequency
and on the history of science the
structure of scientific revolutions you
know they just speculate
you know generally new paradigms they
take place when the entire older old
generation dies
so 30 years
a generation is reasonable because in 30
years an entirely new group of decision
makers take over the government
right the person running the army is 50
and the 20 year old will be running the
army in 50 years because because that's
a life expectancy or the career
expectancy
so normally
it's life expectancy to take a paradigm
shift or generational expectancy about
30 years
but sometimes if there's a war certain
things get jammed faster and they get
jammed faster because your life
expectancy on normandy beach wasn't 30
years
right
right i mean if you if you do something
egregiously
like
assuming that you cling to horses and
you reject machine guns
that was an irrational behavior that
could last from you know 1905 to 1914
but it didn't last from 1914 to 1915.
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right because there was a war
yeah
right and there was like an instant
and you know instant consequence
so i i think that uh
that war and disruption
accelerates consequence
and the absence of that is a
generational thing
and then you'd have to crank in you know
the rate at which information moves now
like for example i i feel like
information moves on youtube much faster
now than five years ago or 10 years ago
yes information moves on twitter faster
yeah there's almost this
liquidity coefficient for ideas that has
just gone through the roof with digital
tech
so i mean it used to be someone would
retire and they go back to harvard
university and they're going to teach
okay so you retire and you're going to
teach from age 60 to age
or age 50 to age 80. so you teach for 30
years and you have
100 students a year
200 students a year
and so you spend 30 years of your life
and after 30 years of your life you've
taught 10 000 people yeah
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and now
you know you get 10 000 views on a
podcast and that's like that's a
boutique thing right yes
yeah
so information is moving at a broader
scale there's there's a much more
competitive battle over ideas
good ideas travel faster
mediocre ideas don't travel at all they
get stamped out
the race is evolving a bit faster but
but having said all that
you know
like warren buffett still got a lot of
money right
like he's still got a lot of money
has he listened to 10 hours of content
on bitcoin yet
probably not right
no probably not
so somebody controls a hundred billion
dollars
and they haven't spent 10 hours thinking
about it
so what what happens well that hundred
billion dollars would be locked in the
old system until
some kind of cataclysmic change takes
place right
so i i think that um
it's reasonable to to expect it takes a
decade
decade until
you think
full
maturity i mean clearly not full
maturity but um it took one decade for
the thing to become
look at the lifestyle cycle of google
you know weren't they found like 1998
something like that yeah so a little shy
of 25 years
the first decade they were they were
growing fast but people weren't
convinced that google was going to
rule the earth right right
the second decade
now we're the end of the second decade
and now what do you think of google yeah
so i mean i think normally 10 years you
know to to get going and then the next
10 years is the big ten years right so
this is it
i think we just finished year one of the
second decade
gotcha you know year one started like
black thursday
right yes march last year you know and
and
think about everything that happened
between that march and the next march
yeah
such an inflection point
for digital technology the digital age
even
and for distrust in analog institutions
you know that it just seems like they
both diverged
almost in an instant
okay guys that was episode 12 of the
sailor series
and once again mr sailor brings the heat
uh this time exploring bitcoin as an
alternative to both gold and fiat
so we started the conversation here with
a very important concept
and we saw this with
gold and fiat right the gold and
currency rather
and that money tends to be implemented
in layers right we had gold as kind of a
base layer of money historically
but as we've covered because it was
limited in its transactability across
space we had to abstract gold into a
layer two
currency application to be more
transactable across space so we find an
analogy for that in bitcoin actually you
know bitcoin
layer one this is the bitcoin blockchain
this is
the equivalent of gold right you have
somewhat slower settlement although it's
still many orders of magnitude faster
than physical gold
um but the
the energy expenditure and the slowness
of settlement and consensus on the base
chain is what gives it rigidity
certainty integrity security reliability
dependability all of these features you
want
in uh in money right it's a place you're
storing your wealth you want to know
that it's resistant to all forms of
corruption manipulation distortion etc
and that
degree of assurance has a cost and the
cost is
proof of work right you have to actually
expend energy to
uh create assurances of supply
limitation so
to ensure that bitcoin adheres to its
fixed cap it's fixed money supply of 21
million
the only way we know how to do that
as a species is through energy
expenditure
um
don't let anyone else fool you about
this uh
for reasons you know sailor goes into
much more deeply
proof of work is the only established
consensus mechanism for guarantee
guaranteeing a fixed supply money
so
it is proof of work that makes bitcoin
thermodynamically sound money right it's
secured by energy by necessity
and there's a deeper point here in that
you know work is the only thing you
cannot counterfeit
right this is you could think about this
in a physical sense right you can't
um just work out really hard for a week
and get in really good shape right it
takes years of dedication and training
and persistence
to actually
uh look athletic right you have to
actually become athletic to look
athletic so there's a proof of work
involved
with becoming physically fit
in the same way that there is with
guaranteeing the quality of something
else like a money supply
and this is important
that work cannot be counterfeit because
that's exactly what the central bank is
doing
it's a centralized legalized currency
counterfeiting operation right it's
generating a new supply of money with no
energy expenditure no work outlay
whatsoever and this that is the reason
right because there is no cost
associated with expanding the money
supply
that the central bank is in a privileged
legal position to confiscate wealth from
the entire productive economy this is
the core reason there is no proof of
work
in fiat currency
and that's what bitcoin's fixing right
so bitcoin
uses this consensus mechanism to
hold a fixed supply
and this is optimizing its ability as
money to express value across time so
that is what layer one is optimizing for
the expression of value across time just
like gold was
and then at the application layer layer
two we see things emerging
that are trading off some of that trust
minimization or assurance
right in that instead of
um not needing to trust anyone you just
you're trusting the bitcoin code and the
mining network which is um the
incentives of the mining network are
aligned with their own self-interest so
you're basically trusting the
self-interest of minors to preserve the
integrity of the blockchain
at layer two you're actually trading
away some of that trust to instead
depend on smart contracts with something
like lightning network which is this
lattice of interconnected smart
contracts that allows you to
send bitcoin around the world at very
high speed so lighting network would be
kind of an analogy to currency
but again with orders of magnitude more
efficiency
you know again
i think the
you have to check my numbers on this but
i think when the lightning network
reaches a certain level of network
density meaning enough people have
adopted it and there's enough channels
uh interconnected that the transaction
throughput goes to near infinite and the
transaction cost is basically near zero
so you're getting like this perfected
currency this digital currency
application
um via the lightning network on top of
the assurances of bitcoin
core the blockchain
and what this
the trust is preserved in this system
because participants on the lightning
network maintain the option
to settle to the bitcoin blair one
blockchain at any time at their own
discretion
so again this is a very important point
we hit on a lot this optionality
preserves honesty
so if you know we're
uh both routing transactions on
lightning uh which is the rough analogy
here is like if you imagine an abacus
you and i both fund our channel with one
bitcoin we can then slide beads back and
forth across that abacus
kind of like a credit or debt based
system effectively but either one of us
can settle to the main chain at any time
so there's no there's
pretty much an inability to corrupt that
that transaction mechanism and so that
abacus connection then gets scaled out
to an entire network
of peers which is the lightning network
so this
so you have the
optimization
for expression of value across time at
layer one with bitcoin and its fixed
supply of 21 million
which comes with limitations right these
are thermodynamic engineering
limitations that you can't move it
uh as quickly across space right it
takes time to settle to the base chain
you know typically it's six
confirmations which is roughly 60
minutes
but you can trade off some of that
security assurance into something like
the lightning network or other protocols
there's many in development we're just
talking about lightning today because
it's the most sophisticated so far
and pick up you know near
perfect transit transactability across
space
uh while giving off some of that
insurance
across time so what you're getting here
in the the integration of these two
systems layer one layer two is you know
an optimized money effectively you've
got something that holds its value
perfectly across time
and you've got something that moves or
expresses value across space uh as
nearly as perfectly as as we figured out
so far
so
this is um
it's a really profound invention um
and so
i think the the other point here is that
you know the lightning network we said
we're funding this with bitcoin so again
the the analogy here was
we had to custody to centralize the
custody of gold into warehouses and then
those warehouse operators issued
receipts
for gold those were the call options on
gold that became bank notes became
currencies ultimately
and
that's essentially we're replicating
that model but in digital space with a
lightning network
the difference being that you have this
instant option for final settlement at
any time which was not something that
the warehouse operation could offer
right you had to actually take the paper
back to the warehouse redeem the
physical gold
and then if you wanted to transact in
the gold again
seamlessly and conveniently you actually
had to take it back to the custodian put
the gold on deposit take the paper
receipts and transact with those
so this
combination of layer one layer two
technology and bitcoin
gives us an instant global
final settlement system
i mean it's something like we've never
seen before
and that that optionality
right to again to call
to settle to the base chain whenever you
want
this is keeping the whole system honest
um
maybe another way to think about this is
you can basically call someone's bluff
right like at any time you can call
their bluff so
and this is kind of a rough analogy
because i don't think in the lightning
network there's a lot of
latitude as far as manipulating these
contracts but because there are more
features in these smart contracts
there is in theory more attack surface
right there's more opportunity for
software engineers to to um
to mess with things let's say so it's
not as trustless as the base chain
so i think that is a useful way to look
at it um
and so we have a money that's evolving
in layers so anytime someone's
decrying bitcoin at the base layer like
you have to you have to have this
knowledge of how
monetary systems work they work in
layers
and different layers are designed to
satisfy different functions of money
right in this case we're talking about
time versus space
so that gets us into the discussion on
why bitcoin succeeds um sailor laid out
a number of good points here
the first being that you know it's the
end of inflation essentially bitcoin
eradicates the concept of unpredictable
supply inflation we all know
with perfect certainty essentially that
21 million will ever exist
no more no less
um i guess you could say less actually
when when coins are lost
or destroyed
which would be sent to a burner address
and one has the keys to you're actually
contracting the total money supply
downward from 21 million
and this has an anti-dilutive effect on
holders so
every time someone burns a bitcoin
they're basically making a pro-rata
contribution to all other bitcoin
holders because it's increasing the
scarcity per coin effectively
and uh you know another reason
bitcoin succeeds is because it is the
ultimate
form of property
you know sailor spelled out it's got
non-physical nexus
it has this in-built security that's
independent
from the monopoly on violence so you
don't need
this political approval for the
relationship between you and your asset
which is property right property is the
relationship between owner and asset
you instead just need the security
that's built into the bitcoin blockchain
and possession of the private key right
so there's it's this radically new
property right a non-physical property
right with no physical nexus
and then very importantly
it's securable in any information
bearing medium which is just really
profound like it's an it's an
information bearer asset
so you can take this private key you can
chop it into pieces you can distribute
it geographically
you can put it you know you can encode
it in
publications or songs or any number
anything that can bear information which
is just opens up the
spectrum of possibility um
for securing your money
and so
and you know to that end sailor makes
this point that
you could even take bitcoin when you go
and if you put
private keys in your brain for instance
and you pass away then that's it
bitcoin's gone and you've taken it with
you effectively
um
and if the market's aware of that then
it's essentially once again
i guess actually even if the market's
not aware of it over the long run it
would be that anti-dilutive contribution
back to the market just because the
coins will never move
so
um
that would take some supply
out of the float which you know against
the same demand it actually increased
the purchasing power of bitcoin which is
really interesting
um
and the other point he makes which i
think is a really good one is that
hostile actors because they can't
take bitcoin from you involuntarily
that it actually bends the incentives
towards negotiation
whereas if you have physical gold
someone will just pop you and take it
right or physical cash
your bitcoin custodied properly can't be
confiscated that way so
what an attacker or transgressor would
do instead is they'd be incentivized to
negotiate with you
and that plays into a bigger theme we
talk about in a bit um
so
the next point we went into was the
hypothecation
of bitcoin and
you know with low transaction costs the
ability to withdraw 24x7
um
any would-be hypothecator is very likely
to be punished by the marketplace
um so another way to say this is you
with hyper mobile capital like bitcoin
that the user right either the user of
this custodial service or whatever you
know if it's the lightning network
um whatever service or function it is
they have
more optionality by virtue of bitcoin's
mobility
so
this
allows um
this allows customers more power in the
marketplace
and you could you could compare this to
something like the gold market
where gold again suffers in the
portability department right it's very
difficult to go and claim physical gold
it's expensive to move and settle et
cetera et cetera
and it is for that reason
that central banks have been so
successful
in manipulating the price of gold in the
derivatives markets right because what
it is you have a lot of paper
claims to gold these call options to
gold if you will floating around the
marketplace
but very little
little to
any physical settlement right there's
still some being conducted but not at a
high frequency enough
um
to to call the bluff right once again
the the with an inability
we'll say with immobility of capital
comes an inability to call a service
provider's bluff and what this does
as we explain
in prior episode this opens up this gap
between trade and settlement right
between
representation and execution between
what you say you're going to do and what
you actually do and in that gap
is where all the corruption and systemic
risk
in the traditional financial system
fester right because there's all these
signals out there these non-costly
signals that aren't being rectified to
reality frequently enough so we get all
of this distortion in the marketplace
from this simple
technological limitation of gold which
is really mind-blowing you know if gold
were just
informational if it were just hyper
portable it would resolve a lot of these
issues
and that's exactly what we get in
bitcoin right we get
we get the properties that gold provides
us as money but perfected
effectively so
it is this uh destructive force to
corruption frankly in the traditional
financial system
and then you know say that makes it
further point that bitcoin's also
solving for authentication
um
you know
this is a big deal too like in
traditional markets especially if you've
ever bought or sold a house you've
probably dealt with title search
and what they're looking for there are
other
claims to the property effectively
but bitcoin by virtue of it being a
informational bearer asset
it is unencumbered by the act of
possessing it it's just as if you hold
you know physical gold bullion
um
the mere act of possessing that
presupposes your ownership of it so
that's very important this this
radically lowers transaction costs this
lowers legal costs disputes etc
um it just simplifies things and that
you
you can hold your wealth in a trust
minimized barrier asset that no one else
has claimed to
the end
um so that's that's very powerful and
there's other aspects to the
authentication as well that you you can
prove reserves actually so you can sign
a message on a bitcoin balance
and prove you have the balance that you
have control over the balance you
represent that you do
versus having to you know have an audit
or some other time consuming expensive
process you can just sign a message it's
that simple
um
and so that that's a big deal and then
you know we also made the point that
bitcoin is hyper transportable
uh which has all the benefits we've
outlined earlier but also
it contributes to this
more to optimizing this dance between
counterparties that sailor discussed and
this is
in many ways you could think of the
market process itself as one
giant um
decentrally choreographed dance between
counterparties right it's
countless service providers
providing goods and services to one
another but also exchanging you know
money
and contracts and trust and signals and
information to to coordinate their
efforts
and um
and you know i love the example we said
you can't make a tornado with gold
bricks but you could with water or wind
right so
if we think as money
if we think of money as these little
data packets
of veracity if you will right so it's
like if i send you money if i hand you a
gold coin
you don't need to trust me in any way
i've just authenticated to you that i
have the economic
value under my control
necessary to buy the good or service so
it's a little packet of truth
and
with bitcoin we get this very deeply
quantized packets these little packets
of veracity so this enables a much more
elaborate dance between counterparties
which is to say a much more
sophisticated market
as we know from economics the more you
can increase
the frequency and intensity of exchange
the more wealth you can create
so another way to say this is
the smaller and less expensive your
transactions are
the more rapidly people will trade the
more wealth they will generate so
just by virtue of being a much more
transactable money bitcoin promises to
usher in a boon in economic activity
and
you know it's further to that point
bitcoin becomes very distributable
because it has low transaction costs so
you know whereas we see
all the sort of cost headaches and
corruption associated with government
helicopter money currently
if they were instead on a bitcoin
standard
notwithstanding the possible
insolvency of the government in that
case they would be able to much more
easily distribute money if there were a
helicopter money like program on bitcoin
and uh also bitcoin's much more
divisible than physical gold you know
each unit is divisible into 100 million
subunits called satoshi's or sats
and with transaction costs
so low
uh you know they approached zero on lyra
two as we said earlier about lightning
network and with the the divisibility so
granular
this enables micro payments
micro payments are something they've
been talked about on the internet for a
long time but they've always suffered
from this problem of not being able to
overcome the fixed cost
that's amortized into them from the
legacy banking system
but with bitcoin micro payments become
possible because again we can get the
cost so low in the unit so small
and this is when
sailor took the discussion at bitcoin
fixing spamming and scamming
all right it's reintroducing
skin in the game which is to say
a balance of incentives and
disincentives for each economic agent
and that they are incented to behave
properly and disincented from
behaviors that would be harmful to the
network
and this that dynamic this is uh
something to lab writes about
extensively
it's inherent to and necessary for the
longevity of most systems i mean this is
like biological systems socioeconomic
systems
systems of all different varieties
and
it's very interesting that is another
one of those core principles of like
lacking skin in the game is the reason
we have so much corruption in the
financial system right if
if the central bank policymakers
bore the consequences of their
decision-making they would be much less
likely to engage in decisions
or execute decisions that would harm
the economic system but because they do
not suffer any consequences of their
decision making
that they
run rampant uh and expand the currency
supply like mad like we're seeing
currently
and this is
you know it's interesting that
and that you know he went into the
discussion of this fixing social media
as well and one aspect i found
interesting here is that
so with bitcoin itself you could say
that
early adopters are getting in it because
they figure it out right we figured out
the first properties of money and how
bitcoin is superior
um
they buy it because they can right like
you're betting on this future outcome
uh
kind of based on a study of the history
of money and based on the technological
limitations of gold and the applications
and potential of bitcoin you sort of
make this risk-adjusted bet to buy it
but
should bitcoin succeed as we think it
will there there's going to be a cohort
of people that will buy it because they
need to buy it right you could say this
is
someone in a hyper uh in a in an economy
undergoing hyperinflation they will buy
bitcoin
just to escape the inflating currency
and be able to buy bread and water and
these staples of living so
there's this spectrum of
kind of early slower adoption
and at the other end of that spectrum is
this late
adoption under duress in a way but
sailor opened my mind to this
interesting in that
that not only occurs
at the monetary in the monetary use case
you will but it could also occur in the
social media use case that he lays out
where if twitter adopts bitcoin and
starts attaching
um
you know these these sat transactions if
you will to their messaging system or to
their commenting system or reputation
system whatever it may be
and it introduces this
incentive schema that promotes quality
discourse
and say they have success with that by
so so twitter has
created a more
uh honest environment for social media
by virtue of integrating to the bitcoin
system which is enabling micropayments
to be attached to all these messaging
services introducing risk of loss for
bad behavior once again
if they're successful with that
they're going to draw in more
advertising dollars right they're going
to draw in more user engagement they're
going to start to out compete say
instagram or something else so
there's this further dynamic to bitcoin
where an early adopter
again we're just focusing on the social
media application here but i'm sure
there's dozens of others in in the
digital space that they'll adopt it
because they can whereas later adopters
may have to adopt it because they need
to right just to remain competitively
relevant to deliver a a quality of
service similar to twitter instagram now
has to integrate to the bitcoin
blockchain um
and this is you know just an amazing
and little understood aspect of bitcoin
is that
you know as i think sailor said uh it
can make cyberspace a safe place for
eight billion people to interact
um
which is to say
we have a system
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and this is so fascinating about bitcoin
is that it's incentivizing
honest behavior at every level everyone
that touches bitcoin
their their incentives are shifted
towards honesty
because that is the only productive
strategy right even in this case we just
laid out where
a social media platform will actually
have to
reintroduce not reintroduced introduce
this cost of messaging
which increases the honesty and quality
of dialogue in their network but they
have to do that precisely because a
competitor already did it
and there was an economic value
uh generated from that so
this is where the lines start to get
blurry right it's like there's this
economic goodness created by bitcoin but
it's related to a moral goodness of you
know additional honesty
um or higher quality discourse you want
to call it that
and so
it's just yeah that's a lot to think
about there this this connection maybe
even between
as the austrians have written about for
for a long time there's a lot of
literature on this this connection
between the monetary standard and the
moral standard
and it seems like um
bitcoin is just really highlighting that
connection and introducing um an ideal
honest money to the world again
so
you know to cap this off
if we all the way back to
how sailor and i started this discussion
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he laid out this idea of ideal money
which was this shared immutable correct
ledger in the cloud if you will
which would you know again if we just
consider
property right property is kind of being
this list of who owns what
uh money being the ultimate form of
property because it can be used to as a
call option effectively on any other
form of property and a trading economy
that you
the money isn't the the wealth right
wealth is
the capital we're creating the things
the goods the services the reputations
the knowledge all of that
that's the capital
but money is
the instrument
the social construct if you will
that reflects the value of all that
capital and is used as a liquid medium
for trading the capital so we're trading
things for money
all the time so we'd have to trade
things directly right it's it's adding
it's lubricating the market process if
you will
and
so therefore money is really just
informational in nature right you just
need something that maps onto
the scarcity of energy and time
that which are the primary inputs into
the economy right that's what we are
economizing for actually is our own time
and energy expenditure
so the ideal money would be this purely
informational
incorruptible shared informational tool
that mapped onto that directly and and
and kept track
of who successfully satisfied the wants
of the marketplace whatever the market
wants whoever gives it to the market
should then earn
money basically and an ability to
claim
um
claim the goods and services that the
market generates for themselves
so
you know
that's what bitcoin is
bitcoin is that bitcoin is this shared
immutable correct ledger in the sky
um and it's effectively you know the
closest thing to a perfect monetary
technology the world's ever had
so then the question that i finished was
like what's going on why does why is
this not
why is it still laughed at you know
there's so many people in mainstream
media and
which i would more aptly call the
corporate press
thanks michael malus for that one
um that laugh at bitcoin think it's a
joke think it's going to zero it's
you know a ponzi scheme whatever
and as we've covered here it's clearly
the opposite it's like entirely opposite
so
i asked sailor like what's going on
what's the disconnect here
and he makes this great point that
you know human beings can just uptake a
new idea so quickly right especially
when it comes to something as
fundamental as money
it takes time for this idea to spread
it's a profound idea by the way so it
takes a really long time i think for
people's
world view to attune to this new
radical technology right that's
literally talking about swapping out the
base layer protocol
for human action right this is we've
been playing the game of gold for 5 000
plus years and now we're talking about
being 12 to 13 years into this digital
disruption of gold so like that's how
big of a deal it is
um
which explains why there's so much
information asymmetry in space
but also explains why there's so much
potential upside right the the
the market capitalization of bitcoin is
reflective of the world's understanding
of money effectively
and so
you know we're early bitcoin
at as this time of recording it's sub 1
trillion market cap
and i think the global store value
marketplace depending on how you measure
it it's over 200 trillion dollars
so
you're talking about a 200x upside um
today and i think that that smells about
right to me so
the spread of this profound idea it's
really throttled by
people's willingness to
to
study and learn uh and i think bitcoin
takes hundreds of hours to really dig
into and
and see the like quote unquote and then
it
it's also
to the plus side i think it's increased
actually by the liquidity of ideas
enabled in the digital age information
just moving so much faster
on youtube via podcast you know the
internet in general so
who knows i think um
if i had to guess i'd say it's about a
15-year process before bitcoin is a
is a or the
dominant money monetary system in the
world i'd say so by the year 2035 is
kind of the way i'm looking at it
so i hope you guys enjoyed that one
again that was episode 12. uh we've got
several more to go and um i'll look
forward to seeing you back here soon