The Bitcoin revolution & risks with Michael Saylor (Part Two)
Madison Malone · 2024-10-20 · 59m · View on YouTube →
micro strategy executive chairman and
self-described Bitcoin maximalist
Michael sailor explains what it may take
for more companies and governments to
follow his Bitcoin adoption Playbook if
you want to see uh the people with all
the money and the power in the world
embrace the asset they have they will do
it when their vendors support the asset
and that's a Rippling thing right
because until you have the fair
accounting people can't can't see how
intelligent the idea
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is I want to talk about the Bitcoin
Revolution sailor is bitcoin's biggest
Advocate but he wasn't always this way
in 2013 he tweeted that bitcoin's days
were numbered now he's out there
encouraging other companies to spend
their cash on bitcoin holding a Bitcoin
for corporations event to share his
strategy so
Bitcoin there is no second best and many
are adopting it this year bitcoin's
total Market surpassed 1 trillion us as
institutions drove an inflation point to
coming out party for Bitcoin I think
Black Rock vanck and other firms
launched Bitcoin exchange traded funds
in January this year giving investors a
means to get exposure to bitcoin's price
through the stock market
you do not sell your
Bitcoin so what does sailor think is
bitcoin's next big moment you are the
biggest Bitcoin bull I think in the
world easily right now but you are a
bull among a lot of beers out there
still it even took you what seven to
eight years to sort of convince yourself
that Bitcoin was something that you know
you should convert your own balance
sheet to and obviously now you're doing
it but how do you convince others the
big Tech players out there the Giants
meta Google Microsoft how do you get
them to flip like like Larry I I think
uh you have to make it easy and you have
to give people uh Gateway products that
they can use you have to give them
Bitcoin with guard rails you have to
give them domestic Bitcoin not wild
Bitcoin um what is that what's domistic
Bitcoin versus wild Bitcoin is that like
ibit versus on market and Cold Storage
you know raw Bitcoin is buy Bitcoin you
know and you self- custody it you know
and the next is you buy Bitcoin with a
custodian but more domesticated a simple
domesticated Bitcoin is ibit an
fbtc I buy it through Black Rock right
and that's a lot easier to handle
um there's again we're back to $900
trillion of capital Real Estate
Investors they want to buy something
that looks like real estate right and
bond investors want to buy something
that looks like a bond and preferred
stock wants to buy something that looks
like preferred stock and some people
want half the upside as a capital gain
but they don't want the downside so they
got to find they got to buy something
like could convert and options Traders
they want to trade options so when bitco
Bitcoin first came out there were none
of these things and then for a while
there's an entire crypto economy that
was created offshore you you know uh to
much colorful drama and anxiety like the
ftxs of the world Etc well those are
unregulated crypto exchanges and and
conventional traditional regulated
investors
can't trade in that and and it's
probably good they didn't right because
most of them
failed so what we're watching right now
since 2020 is the creation of the
institutional vehicles in order to
invest in
Bitcoin and uh you know I've got this
saying I say everybody's against Bitcoin
before they're for it right we're all
against it until we're for it I was uh
you know why why are you against it it's
like well why are you against
electricity in 1880 you know the I'm
sure the first guy with fire he scared a
bunch of other tribesmen and they're
like you know what what happens you get
too close to fire it burns you burn no
one wants to get burned right the the
idiom is no one wants to get burned and
yet Without fire we're not better than
the Apes and then what happens when we
play with electricity we get shocked who
wants to get shocked it's another idiom
in the English language shock is bad and
yet without
electricity like 90% of humanity is dead
I love that the siren just went off in
the background is like as you were
talking about this the shock it it
happens and so
new technologies are scary right people
thought that if you gotten an automobile
went more than 10 miles an hour it would
suck the oxygen out of the cabbin and
you would suffocate can't be bter than a
horse right yeah so so if you look at
the great Revolutions in energy right
fire was extracting energy from matter
you know uh water was extracting energy
from Gravity right that's the big idea
there's gravity there's energy in this
field if I put water there and a water
clock and it comes down here I can turn
a wheel with it right big idea and then
wind extracting energy from the
atmosphere and then the steam engine is
let's let's refine the entire idea and
move the you create an engine that takes
that energy and Spins something so that
kids don't have to do it right you know
the steam engine eliminates slavery it's
a pretty good idea right uh and then
after that you know gas
and internal combustion engines and then
you know what what follows next nuclear
reactors and electricity and each of
these energy revolutions it was a
shocking scary paradigm shift and for 30
years people rejected it and they had
good reason because their City burned
down and their house burned down and
they got electrocuted and my airplane
fell out of the sky right it's like the
and and if you study James Watt you he
spent his entire life trying to make the
steam engine work not easy right it's
not easy bitcoin's digital energy
Satoshi figured out a way to both
transfer and store to basically store
and channel energy through cyberspace
without an
intermediary that's a profound
breakthrough because that means I can
put a billion dollars in
cyberspace I can move it 60 times a
second I can hold it for a million years
and and I'm not facing counterparty risk
to a bank a country a currency a
corporation right a culture you know a
commodity manufacturer and so that's a
profound idea we're 15 years into the
Innovation we're only four years into
the you know to the crazy years and
really January
2024 was really the beginning of this
era maybe this is year zero of
institutional
adoption when when we have regulatory uh
acceptance Bank acceptance and
accounting acceptance of Bitcoin those
three
planks that's year one of adoption and
when do you have that well you kind of
got
75% regulatory acceptance since we got
these ETFs not all most uh when we have
ibit trading on the options Market
that's a big step forward and when you
can do inine create and redemptions of
the ETFs you've got full regulatory
acceptance of the
asset then January 2025 uh fair value
accounting becomes the norm and now You'
got accounting acceptance and now you
can mark up and mark down the asset just
like Apple stock or just like other
assets and then when you have twoo big
to fail Banks when you have the bny
melons of the world or the JP Morgans of
the world the state streets of the world
they custody the Bitcoin or theyy Buy
and they sell and they hold the Bitcoin
you'll have banking acceptance and what
are Banks Banks are just institutions
that are engineered to be custodians of
financial assets so of course the
greatest custodians of Assets in the
world need to custody this asset so we
are we're right in the middle of that
and I think maybe 2025 you can call year
one of the institutional error of
digital Capital that thing which is
Bitcoin I want to come to the banks
because I'm very keen to talk to you
about how you see Banks as being key to
unlocking that next phase but just on
this corporatization and even perhaps
government adoption what do you think is
the fear other than just volatility I
mean is it fear of completely disrupting
economic theory and monetary policy as
we know it is that the fear that these
corporates and that governments hold so
I I
think the issue uh is not really with
the asset class I I think any
conservative or any traditional investor
if you're a high net worth individual a
family office if you're a successful
Corporation if you're an agency a
government or any political entity and I
introduce new
technology you know like say I come to I
come to the government I say I got this
electricity thing and you don't have any
electricity in your building well what
they would do is go to their contractor
they've got some contractor that built
the building and they would say can you
backfit or rewire our building for
electricity and the contractor said no
man uh you know because my competitor
just did it and they got shut down and
bankrupted and my other you know another
person did it and the building burned
down so we're not going to do it for a
while we're afraid right um in that case
they would they wouldn't just just
Embrace electricity immediately the
equivalent of the building contractor
for uh Bitcoin would be the bank so when
your Rich Uncle you know gets asked
about Bitcoin he's like well I call my
broker I called my bank JP Morgan or I
called The Standard Charter or whatever
and they won't buy it for me yet they
say it's too risky well I'm just going
to hold off a bit so if you want if you
want to see uh the people with all the
money and the power in the world embrace
the asset they have they will do it when
their vendors support the asset and
that's a Rippling thing right because
until you have the fair accounting
people can't see how intelligent the IDE
is the difference between Fair
accounting and indefinite intangible
accounting for a big company is under
Fair accounting you would know within 5
Seconds whether you had a good quarter
oh we made like $10 a share under
indefinite account indefinite and
tangible accounting you would have to
read 250 pages of documents and create
your own proprietary models and spend
somewhere between 1 and 10 hours to
figure out how you feel about the
quarter and and even then it wouldn't be
that succinct would it it wouldn't
necessarily give you like a figure you
know the 70 year old billionaire isn't
going to take 10 hours they can't even
read the document right and so
we you know you you could get all
intellectual about this and say oh
they've thought about it and they don't
like this and this and this that's not
the case it's if I call my broker and
say buy $10 million of this and they say
you sure boss click and it's done then
you start to see adoption and when the
company that adopted it announces they
just made twice as much in their
earnings for the quarter as they used to
because of it it's like well then buy
more of that stock and when the mayor of
Miami or the mayor of New York City
the governor of Texas says to his
Treasurer I think we ought to have some
Bitcoin the treasur says okay no problem
I'll let sit a group or Bank of America
or Morgan Stanley no and they'll do it
click and it's done then you're adopting
but when the governor says the treasurer
buy 10 billion and the treasurer says
there's not a single Bank in the US that
will sell that to us he's like well I
guess we're too early and it's the same
thing with you putting an elevator into
your house or electricity or how about
running water
you know why why didn't people put
running water in their house you know in
1880 it's because it was like you had to
be rich and it was expensive and one in
a 100 people had it and the guy that's
building your house didn't know how to
do it he'd never done it before you know
and and so these things get
embraced as everybody in the society
gets comfortable with the new technology
and generally it's like a 30 day a
30-year generational shift you know and
year one no one's doing it you see those
pictures of New York City in 1905 no
cars
1915 Everybody's Got a Car you know it's
like well what did it take you know just
it took this exponential set of
processes and support uh for this to
happen and the same is going on with
Bitcoin right now you mentioned yield
and Michael every single time I do an
episode on bitcoin my there's always
somebody in the audience who says yeah
but if I buy it then I earn no yield on
it it's not a stock I get paid a div
dividend quarterly it's not a second
property that I can rent out it's not
money in the bank that I can earn a
savings yield on so when or if but I
think from what you're saying there when
Banks whether at JP Morgan City start
adopting it and allowing us to put our
Bitcoin in the bank I've heard you speak
about this what happens there and how
are banks key to unlocking that next
phas yeah let's say I give you 10 acres
in
Manhattan there's the land you buy the
land you can buy the land in 1700 1800
1900 the year 2000 is it worth
something you know would you sell it to
me for a penny if you owned it no it's
worth something right but there's no
yield it's raw land there's no yield
well give it to me for a penny there's
no what no it's like it's Central Park
but there's no yield right okay so
what's what's the solution to the
problem well you take the land and you
put a and you have a company a real
estate
developer and the company builds a
building on the land or parking lot
right and and then they rent it out and
they generate the yield and okay so do I
like that or not well there's
counterparty risk I got I'm I'm buying a
security I'm buying a Reit there's a
Company the company might build a
building that falls down they might get
a dead beat you know so the point is
there's risk so you want a reliable
company that you trust too big to fail
to take that risk and give you the yield
a bank well the micro strategy is doing
it right now right like we just
discussed BTC yield so micro strategy
takes the Bitcoin and then we do
something we actually find a way to to
uh to take out a loan reinvest it and
generate a BTC yield and and the price
you pay is you take a risk with a
security called mstr right so Banks do
it a different way I mean bank will take
your asset you have a billion dollars of
something a billion dollars of Apple
stock and they may loan it out to
someone else and they may get paid a fee
by the one person that wants to borrow
it they might pass it on to you and they
might not right so so sometimes they do
they'll definitely do it with your
treasuries or or with your cash
sometimes they don't depends on who you
are I think that banking uh banking is
just the next logical step but in terms
of how am I going to get a yield on
bitcoin I'm going to get a yield when a
thousand companies in in in the Russell
2000 buy Bitcoin operate their existing
business sweep their cash flows into
Bitcoin and do stuff with it they
develop business on top of it right
that's a way to get a yield and I'll get
a yield if uh two big defail banks that
are well
capitalized they um uh they start to
accept Bitcoin is collateral and
probably you don't get a huge you by the
way if you if you think about the
metaphor it's like when you own Apple
stock it's uh you know oftentimes you
don't get a yield by loaning your Apple
stock but big corporations do the big
investors actually get paid a small
interest rate when they own loan their
stock to people that want to short sell
the stock and so there is a market there
for that but more likely the next stage
is uh a big Bank Bank accepts your
Bitcoin collateral alongside your Apple
and your Microsoft stock and your
treasury bills is
collateral and they give you some
Advance ratio against it and then you
can borrow it suur plus some spread
against it because it's you know no
worse collateral than Apple stock as a
block is and so you'll start to see the
formation of credit markets around
Bitcoin well let's consider that within
bitcoin's characteristics and you've
already spoken about
Satoshi let's go back to the beginning
the Bitcoin network was started by
Satoshi Nakamoto on January 3rd 2009
that Genesis block included this message
a headline from the times quote
Chancellor on brink of second bailout
for banks it was followed by this public
forum Post in February 09 announcing a
new peer-to-peer ecash system called
Bitcoin to this day no one knows who
Satoshi is but the network he her or
they built has been operating for 15
years and 289 days when we released this
video with almost 100% reliability the
network has gone down twice in its
history in 2010 due to a bug and 2013
due to a fork in the chain both were
fixed within hours satoshi's creation
wasn't the first attempt at a currency
native to the internet but it's clearly
the most successful due to its design
that has no central point of failure
from the beginning Satoshi didn't
allocate any initial Supply to
themselves for the first year and a half
Bitcoin wasn't worth anything except the
cost of running a computer to mine it to
create Bitcoin miners are required to
solve mathematical problems to add a
block to the chain that proof of work is
then verified by all nodes on the
network
the work required to mine Bitcoin can
change due to What's called the
difficulty adjustment and the reward
earned by miners halves every four years
meaning Bitcoin has a predictable
decreasing inflation rate as it becomes
more scarce over time bitcoin's total
Supply is capped only 21 million Bitcoin
can ever be mined unlike fiat currency
that can be printed by authorities at
the time I was making this video Bitcoin
Supply was at
94.11% that's more than 19 million
Bitcoin in existence the currency is
fully decentralized meaning there's no
Authority or state that oversees it
unlike the US dollar which is controlled
by the Federal Reserve and is a system
based entirely on trust but if sailor
wants Banks to hold Bitcoin does that
put it at risk of becoming more
centralized exactly what its supporters
wouldn't want a to be if there is more
Bitcoin Bitcoins held with these third
party custodians what risk does that
pose having greater Supply held by fewer
large institutions does that increase
the risk of seizure and confiscation
like we've seen with gold and is that
not exactly what bitcoiners don't want
to haveen no I think it's the opposite I
think that when the Bitcoin is held by
uh a bunch of crypto
anarchists who aren't regulated entities
who don't acknowledge government or
don't acknowledge taxes or don't
acknowledge reporting requirements that
increases the risk of seizure if you
know if a a country in
desperation if China knew that there
were underground crypto Traders with
billions of dollars of of Bitcoin in
their midst that didn't pay taxes the
Chinese would probably try to shut that
down and that's what they do so so
normally uh the risk is greater when
they're unregulated private entities
that are perceived to be holding the
asset when you have regulated public
entities like Black Rock and Fidelity
and JP Morgan and State Street Bank
holding the asset well all the lawmakers
and all the law enforcement arms they're
invested in those entities right so
there's no way that all the Senators and
all the congressmen are going to seize
the assets from Fidelity and black rock
or Vanguard because that's where all
their retirement money is invested so so
the the asset moving from private to
public hands and moving into regulated
entities it does a bunch of things it it
decreases the volatility it decreases
the risk of loss it decreases the like
like who do you trust more as a
custodian
FTX or Fidelity right or Vanguard or
State Street right and if you walked
down the street and you said you know
would you put all your family's money in
an offshore entity without a
headquarters run by five dudes without
an auditor or would you put it with a
bank that's too big to fail in the US
right like at the end of the day you you
have an OG crypto Community is very
hardcore about it but if you look at
where all the money is
99.9% of the money is actually in the
traditional economy and in the war for
the future of
money the war is going to be one with
money right I mean right at the end of
the day Bitcoin is capital who's going
to actually decide who's the winner or
the loser the people with the capital
and so where is the capital it's a
Vanguard Fidelity State Street JP Morgan
Morgan Stanley they're all regulated
entities of sorts so when Bitcoin is
held by those entities it becomes
regular and normal and you know people
would no more think about seizing that
than they think about seizing a building
in the middle of Manhattan or seizing
you know the you know the S&P spider
assets is why why would you do that
that's just the capital that you built
the country on well if you ask why would
you do that if you consider the Great
Depression I mean people thought that
their gold was safe in Banks until the
executive order of 1933 so we're not
entirely safe I mean I know that's kind
of a wild thing to suggest may happen
again but history does repeat itself so
people's Bitcoin wouldn't be entirely
safe it's people say that but mostly
it's mostly it's paranoid crypto
anarchists that say that okay because
it's it's a it's a myth and a Trope that
goes on over and over again but first of
all he didn't really seize the goal
people voluntarily turned in the goal
they didn't go and kick in everybody's
door arrest them shoot them and take
their goal that never happened first of
all he for it second of all he didn't
seize all the property he didn't go
seize all the buildings owned by wealthy
people in New York he didn't seize all
the stock
portfolios of wealthy people in New York
right gold was the monetary asset
backing the dollar the dollar was
literally $20 you know to the ounce of
gold right and so the problem was the
country was on the gold
standard and Franklin Delo Roosevelt
wanted to devalue the dollar he wanted
to devalue the currency he wanted to
print more dollars and so they had to
actually do something so they could
devalue the dollar and the way they did
it was put that executive order in place
and then they revalued the dollar to
$34 per ounce a
devaluation and and now you have to ask
yourself the
question is the United States on the
Bitcoin standard maybe we will be soon
but the point but the point really is
we're not right it's totally not a a
reasonable
comparison um Franklin Del a Roosevelt
didn't seize every car and every watch
and you know and every piece of real
estate and every piece of equity in the
United States because we weren't on the
equity standard or the property standard
or the or the chicken in every pot
standard or the grassy lawn standard or
the lawn standard stand we were on the
gold standard and he wanted to devalue
on the gold standard and so today we're
not on the gold standard we're not on
the Bitcoin standard the US government
has no problem printing money they can
print as much as they want and in fact
every government on Earth all of them
they're either on their own standard or
they're on the dollar
standard so in this particular case uh I
don't think we have to worry about about
you know Bitcoin held in custody being
seized by the government any more than
you have to worry about your Apple stock
being seized by the government because
the government doesn't need to devalue
the dollar against Apple stock to print
more dollars either so it's not really
an issue it's often times it's you know
people have these
inflammatory you know tropes or
inflammatory memes that they they use
and it's like I say that because I want
you to give me your money okay like I
want if if you don't
trust the bank then you'll buy my
Hardware wallet if you don't trust this
government you'll move to my country and
you'll buy a passport from me so if you
don't trust that company you'll sell
that stock and buy the other stock so
there's a lot of a lot of this kind of
of mess meing and ideas that they're
very
inflammatory and they're meant to
actually Stampede people into some
Behavior whatever which is financially
beneficial like like you can't make your
own investment decisions investing is
very hard you should give me your money
I'll make the decisions for you I'm
going to charge you 2% fee and 20% of
The Upside it's like well what should I
do about hyper well you need to invest
in a diversified portfolio of Global
alternative assets across 152 different
asset classes and revalue every quarter
oh I can't do that okay that's okay give
me your money girly I'll do it for you
right that's the kind of fear-mongering
to get you to give me your money right
and I use it to sell you a gun to sell
you a hardware wallet to sell you an
account to sell you a financial advisor
to sell you an insurance policy to sell
you a you know fill in the blank right
whatever it might be and ultimately I
think that um there's just a lot of fear
that's unnecessary the bigger idea is
Bitcoin is digital Capital it's a
million times smarter a million times
faster a million times stronger a
million times more elegant than analog
Capital physical capital and financial
capital and it's simply a technology
transformation it's it's like don't
store don't take 10,000 records and haul
them around with you and 10,000 books
whenever you travel take the iPad with
10,000 books on it and take the iPhone
with 10 million songs on it when you
travel right it's like blah blah blah
but the phone will eat me and it's
listening to me and it will steal my
identity and kill me it's like it's it's
just a computer with some digital files
on it right and so that's that's the
digital transformation of capital and
that's what Bitcoin represents so on
digital money then tell me if this is a
legitimate fear or not Quantum Computing
it apparently is going to have the
ability to solve multiple more complex
mathematical mathematical equations all
at once does that pose a legitimate risk
to the Bitcoin Network or are you
confident that developers will come up
with some kind of quantum resistance no
it's just it's just another fear
mongering end of thee World scam
narrative that people use to sell stuff
and in this case Quantum Computing the
fear is used to sell the next altcoin I
have a Quantum resistant token and
quantum computer is going to destroy
your token so give me your billion
dollars and give it to me and make me
Rich because maybe an asteroid will hit
the earth I have an asteroid bunker give
me your billion dollars and I will give
you my asteroid bunker you're gonna die
of pneumonia give me your money and I'm
going to give you a vaccine right you're
going to you know it's just fear
mongering um Quantum Computing is a if
you take the general theme it's like oh
computers are going to get better over
time and as they get better maybe
they'll get really good and they'll be
able to hack systems and what's your
response well I guess I just shouldn't
use I shouldn't invest in Apple or
Google or Facebook or I shouldn't have
money in a bank and I shouldn't use a
computer because computers might get
hacked huh I guess I okay so give up
everything in your life that has a
computer in it right including the
the podcast that you're running right
now give it all up because one day
quantum computers run by Dr Evil will
hack the
thing okay well I mean the answer is
it's silly of course computers will get
better and as the computers get better
we will adopt the better computers to
defend the net the network the Bitcoin
Network used to generate hashes a th000
jewels per Terra has it took a th000
Jews to generated a terahash and then it
was 500 and then it was 100 and then it
was 50 and then it was 30 then there's
15 and the next will be five and it'll
be one and doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out that computers
get better semiconductors get better the
network gets more secure it's like but
but but but but what if someone invents
something that's better than the better
thing well well we spend 10 billion a
year to keep upgrading our thing and you
think that Dr Evil like many me in the
basement with no money is going to come
up with the quantum computer that's
going to be better than the 10 billion
dollars we spend for the last every year
for the last decade so yeah if a teenage
kid with 50 bucks and a rubber band
comes up with something better than a
hundred billion dollar of semiconductor
investment then in theory they could
hack our network but why wouldn't you
just hack X and declare nuclear war on
someone and like short the market and
make 10 billion dollar by hacking the
president's account I mean illegal but
well I mean the point is it's all
illegal but my point is it's a billion
times easier to just hack the bank or
hack the communication Network and make
money than it is to hack Bitcoin Bitcoin
is the most cyber resistant the most
powerful digital Network on Earth it's
the hardest thing to hack so when
someone pitches Quantum Computing it's
normally it's a degenerate 20 something
crypto Trader that wants you to buy his
yo-yo Quantum coin and make him Rich
because he's got a yo y yo Quantum
algorithm and I just shake my head
because I think who could be so stupid
to fall for this kind of
alarmism uh it it's uh it's ridiculous
and a waste of time but having said it
all the generic Statesman like answer is
technology will advance Bitcoin is the
best most profitable use of computer
power in order to protect money if
technology advances you got to believe
that the people most incentivized to use
thech technology will be the one with
the trillions of dollars of money to
protect it will go there first all those
advances will be first implemented into
the Bitcoin Network to defend the
network they won't be used by teenage
boys to attack the network probably
teenage boys would rather hack Twitter
it'd be cooler we're just G to go aead
but it's been done it's been done again
it's very simple to do it's a billion
times easier to do to hack these
communication networks and so that's
where your threat will
come to sum this all up and I would love
you to give a again a non-stat man like
answer to this one Michael but can you
give us your Bitcoin superiority complex
about the asset and can you we in some
of what you spoke about earlier about
government's printing money and if you
consider the economic cycle that we've
been through over the past four years
while you've been accumulating Bitcoin
like crazy how has that in your mind
increased its superiority
so you know a short summary why is
Bitcoin better first of
all if I had a hundred Rich families and
they lived all over the world and they
didn't trust a government and they
didn't trust a bank and they didn't
trust a corporation and they had a lot
of money and they wanted to keep their
money for a thousand
years if God came down from heaven above
and said hey I'll run the god bank issue
21 million God coin and I will make sure
that no one can steal your God coins you
can buy in however you want and you can
trade telepathically with each other and
I'll do this for
free they'd probably accept that right
the history of the human race is people
looking to heaven to solve their
problems in every religion okay in the
absence of God coin and God coming down
to do this the next best thing would be
an intelligent engineer that creates a
crypto Network that combines
semiconductor technology
public private key encryption and the
internet
tcpip okay that's a crypto coin so now
we create a crypto coin and the question
is who's going to run the the software
because nobody trust anybody and maybe I
trust you and you trust me but I don't
trust your idiot great-grandson you
don't you even had him yet I mean how
could we trust your great great
grandchild okay so we're all going to
run the software and we're going to run
it on thousands and hundreds of
thousands of nodes and anybody who
software cheats gets kicked off the
network okay that's the idea Bitcoin
it's basically a crypto asset Network
now the question is okay I figured that
out now what kind of monetary policy I
want I want 21 million hard cap forever
never can make anymore I want a scarcity
I don't want anybody can make nobody can
make anymore okay that's good now the
question is okay I did that now which
network is going to win so we launched
Bitcoin as the as the 40th try and the
first one with the right monetary policy
the right cryptography and a and an
equitable launch Satoshi launches it
walks away forever disclaims beneficial
ownership it's an Immaculate Conception
okay what if somebody else launched
another crypto network with an
Immaculate Conception you know there's
been 5 million cryptos launched most of
them are not immaculately conceived some
of them still have the founding teams
that are getting rich off of them when
there's a founding team getting rich off
of them with with a jet and with an
office or with a mansion it doesn't look
Immaculate there's no Satoshi in a
swimming pool flying his jet around as a
billionaire right that's why maybe he is
we don't know we don't know who the who
he she they are and the point is we
absolutely know there isn't because the
coins have not moved in 15 years and we
can see them
so now the question is you got all these
smart families and they're staring at
the crypto gold network if you will or
Gold's not even a good good example just
a crypto bank and the question is which
network is the best
one well we sort through it and we try
Bitcoin and it and it kind of works for
a while and then we trust it more money
gets onto it you know and for a while
we're not sure and then 2020 some crazy
entrepreneur buys $250 million of it for
a public company and that's the first
time in you know 10 years anybody ever
bought a quarter billion dollars on that
Network and people are like oh my God
yeah and then that same person buys
another $9.7 billion dollar of it and so
we he must be crazy my God okay so in
that time where there's one company
micro strategy buying 10 billion do of
that
asset it's not a single person ever
publicly spent 250 million on any other
crypto asset ever of the 5 million
nobody even put in the first 250 million
nobody put in a 100 million right go
find it you won't find it so now you
have an interesting issue which is why
is Bitcoin the winner it's because all
the smart money in the world decided
that's the winner did it have to be well
no it's like why do we speak English
because all the rich powerful people
decided on English could it have been a
different language it could have been
French Napoleon wanted it to be French
but it wasn't French it was English Eng
why do we use base 10 math CU all of the
rich powerful engineering companies use
it is it the only form of math no
there's base two base eight base 16
right same with measurement stands why
you you know we have the big joke about
the metric system right we're still
trying to work through that protocol so
Bitcoin is the protocol that the rich
powerful smart people chose okay so you
can Fork it and create your own and you
will have to find stupid poor people to
buy yours but why would I actually want
to put all my money in the network with
the stupid poor people when I've already
got the network with the smart rich
people right and and the result of that
is Bitcoin is the most powerful crypto
Network in the world and you can measure
it via computer power 700 x aash that's
$40 billion of special purpose
semiconductors that generate more hashes
than all the computer power of Microsoft
all the computer power of Amazon all the
computer power of meta if they all
ganged up on it they still can't get the
700x has it's the most powerful computer
network then it has 18 gaw 18 gaw of
electric power that's the most powerful
electrically powerful Network 18 gws is
more power than the US Navy uses to run
all the aircraft carriers and the
Destroyers and the battleships wow we
conquered the world with less than 18 GW
wats of power it's 18 fullon nuclear
reactors running fullon right spread
everywhere in the world okay how does
that compare it to the second P the
second pest has like 0.1% that much
power one you how you know how about the
hash rate 1% maybe and then $800 billion
of actual
Capital micro strategy spent 10 billion
to get
1.2% work it out in your head look at
the fouryear simple moving average of
Bitcoin multiply by the number of
Bitcoin look at the trading volume look
at real people thousands of
institutional investors with real money
at risk the Bitcoin miners the black
rocks Etc right like uh 70 billion 60
billion doar put into just the ETFs
alone real money right 800 billion in
capital had backed the network so what's
the second best the second best doesn't
even have eight
like 99% of the real money went into the
Bitcoin Network everything else you read
about in crypto right all the other
crypto assets that might be a store of
value I'm not counting the stable coins
because they're just dollar pegged but
everything else probably doesn't even
have eight billion it might have a few
billion dollars right so it's like 99%
to
99.9% dominant and then you go to the
political power well there's 420 million
crypto people that love crypto but
what's the reserve asset of crypto it's
Bitcoin 420 million voters and then 200
million people that hold an instrument
back by
Bitcoin so what's the source of the
network political power electrical power
digital computer power economic power
right that's you know that's the source
of power of the network it's like well
why should I buy that well
once you understand that it's the
dominant crypto Network now the issue is
well why should I buy Bitcoin instead of
gold well the gold Supply is going to
double every 30
years and you can't teleport gold 60
times a second and the AI is not going
to want the gold right and you can't put
gold on your iPhone right Gold's not
digital if you have a hundred million do
of and you put it into gold and you wait
hundred years you'll have $12 million
worth of gold that's why you don't want
gold if you have 100 million of Bitcoin
and you hold it 100 Years you'll still
have $100 million worth of bitcoin right
so gold is an gold is the best of the
Commodities but it's awful because it's
got a 2% inflation rate what's the
difference between 2% inflation rate and
0% inflation rate it's the difference
between living 30 years and living
forever like one is Mortal okay here's
your choice take the orange pill you
live forever take the gold pill you live
H you're half dead in 30 years you're
half dead you're going to live 7580 and
you're dead right this is Immortal Life
this is Immortal Life That's difference
between 0 and 2% gold is the greatest of
the Commodities every other commodity
inflates at 10% a year 20% a year 50% a
year they're awful Commodities are awful
stores of value but what are they good
at here's what they're good at
Commodities are ethically
sound okay that means they're an asset
without an issuer you can promote gold
or a chicken in every pot or land or
silver or you can promote soybeans or
you can tell people to keep kerosene
behind their house those are Commodities
you cannot promote a security a security
is an asset with an issuer if a senator
says God bless Apple she's promoting a
security if a senator says God bless
Bitcoin they're promoting a commodity
it's like promoting bluegrass music it's
like promoting fasting it's simple
a cultural or a technical idea so what
do you want as your long-term store of
value you want something economically
sound that means absolutely zero
inflation rate forever and nobody can
screw with that you want something
ethically sound that means an asset
without an issuer where the inventor PR
Prometheus disappeared you own fire you
know electricity you can use it the
English language you can use it math you
can use it Bitcoin you can use it
there's no company with the copyright
that charges you a royalty right it
needs to be ethically sound needs to be
a commodity right and and finally it
needs to be technically sound you know
good engineering and so you know a
building is sort of it's sort of
economically sound not as good as
Bitcoin because you got property taxes
and and entropy you know and earthquakes
happen and uh a share of Magnificent
Seven it's kind of economically sound
but it's a security and if the Chinese
decide to seize Apple's assets or if the
US seizes a Chinese company's assets you
know you've got all sorts of political
risk but Bitcoin is both the economic
economically sound asset and it's the
ethically sound asset but it's a big
Tech digital Network it means that I can
move a hundred billion dollar a million
times a second okay so what the big idea
is I can give a capital asset to 8
billion people on on their mobile phone
and 10 million computers can trade it a
million times an hour across every
jurisdiction right and so if you want to
give uh music to 8 billion people you
need digital music you can't do it with
records and at track tapes and if you
want to give digital Communications
right you want to give education to 8
billion people you need digital
education you need to give them lectures
for free for the cost of electrons and
if you want to give wealth to 8 billion
people you need digital Capital you need
to put your wealth on your iPhone and
you need to know that it will last
forever and I just ask anybody I ask you
what do you own in your life that you
think your family will still have intact
that will be valuable 300 years from now
right what what would that be right
because there's no conventional thing
there's no company that's going to last
300 years right they might not live in
New Zealand 300 years from now I could
give you 10,000 acres in Auckland and
the issue is so can you take it with you
when the government changes and they
decide to seize the assets of people
with blue eyes
right because it happens if you look at
the history of the 20th century and
you're like uh what country didn't seize
the
assets of somebody over a hundred years
right it's like you had one country the
United States that won every war and yet
that country's currency lost
99.9% of its value against scarce assets
that's the winner right the winner gives
you one10 of a percent of your wealth
all you know the rest is all just
anxiety inducing counterparty risk well
I'll tell you what does live on is a
legacy and you mentioned mortality but
sadly neither you nor I are going to
live forever it's a bit of a personal
question and a cynic may say that you do
this because you have something to
financially gain but I feel like after
this conversation the effort that you
put in the generosity with your time why
do you bother educating everyone on this
talking about Bitcoin you know I mean
even if you take a a guy like Jack dorsy
and you ask about Bitcoin you say I
didn't do it for the money I did it to
fix the
money the legacy is the English language
electricity
fire fion Fusion
engineering right
telecommunications right
mathematics all of these things are and
what's the Legacy here it's it's
monetary protocol which is true
right the history of the human race if
you look at it it it's fraught with
people dying from Dirty Water dirty air
dirty clothes dirty
environments you know dirty everything
right it's like dirty dirty blood and
you know overcoming that
with electricity and clean water right
just just the the joke is like a poor
person sits down at a table and they put
a glass of tap water in front of them
and that's what you drink if you have no
money if you have money you buy a Coke
Zero or if you have a lot of money you
buy a$1 th000 bottle of wine but the
poor person drinks the glass of water
and you know I just finished reading
again the story of Civilization by Will
Durant it's like whatever you know the
books are all over there it's 11 volumes
it's 15,000 Pages you read all 11
volumes from the beginning to the end
and there's thousands stories of famous
people that died of
gout because they didn't drink water
they drank wine because the water had
bacteria in it and chaa and you died of
infection if you drank the water if you
were the king of England you couldn't
get clean water then the rest of them
died because they walked past the swamp
got bit by a
mosquito and they you know they didn't
have any cure for malaria they had no
modern medicine or they died to
tuberculosis because there's no
penicillin or there's no antibiotics or
you know to to treat it and
so today right it's like what's your
legacy it's like clean the air clean the
water what kills the patient it's dirty
food dirty water dirty air right how do
we kill George Washington we bled him to
death we bled him to death right that's
why he died and so what's killing every
corporation on Earth it's dirty money
dirty Capital to be
precise the asset that every every
publicly traded company 50,000 companies
use is sovereign debt sovereign debt
yields 3% after tax at best 2% the cost
of capital is 133% it's a negative real
yield of minus 10% it means that you
hold a billion dollars you lose 100
million a year holding
money it's like forcible chemotherapy
for your Healthy 14-year-old teenager or
it's like strapping the 12-year-old kid
down and taking two pints of their blood
every day and sending them off to track
practice it's a very morbid metaphor but
I I I I'm picking up what you're putting
down the point is it's
medieval but at the end of the day
that's the Scourge the burden of
humanity that they've been hauling for
thousands of years and so when you ask
what is human progress what elevated the
civilization you know it's technology
and it you know a lot of painters they
went blind because a middle class family
can afford one candle look around you
right each one of those is one middle
class Family of Light clean light clean
water heat air conditioning electricity
energy clean blood and biotics right a
language you can speak right all of
these things are Define modernity so
what is my agenda my agenda agenda is
fixed the money because the 50,000
companies have a life expectancy of 10
years you know why you die in 10 years
when you could live forever it's because
you have toxic chemicals in your vein
right I can kill a healthy person if I
inject poison into their vein I can kill
a healthy person by sucking the blood
out of their
body if the money is
broken all 8 billion people right have
toxic Capital all 300 million companies
have toxic
Capital every institution every
nonprofit every government every city
every state every IDE everything you
wish to uh to accomplish you need in
part economic energy you need energy to
accomplish
what is electricity it's clean silent
energy it's clean silent energy take
away the electricity look at everything
around you we're in the dark this
podcast is not happening clean silent
energy catapult it created cities it
created Manhattan it created the modern
world what is bitcoin it's clean silent
programmable Immortal money right how
what's it worth
it's worth half of everything it's not
worth the other half it won't fly you
and it won't cure your cancer and it
won't make you happy and it won't solve
your mental issue and it won't make your
children love you it's not all that and
it won't stop a bullet right the world's
full of stuff right materials and
vehicles and Technologies and medicin
that do things what is it it's economic
energy it's the other half right it'll
solve half the world's problem I give
you energy that do I give you a battery
that doesn't lose its power you know
like that'd be nice because one of our
camera batteries stopped halfway I wear
this watch I don't to take it off you
get an Apple Watch you got to recharge
it every night I get what about a
battery that lasts forever right I mean
that's the promise of nuclear fusion
give me a power source I could put in my
pocket that will last forever now
imagine how much better the world is
Bitcoin is digital energy if you want
your company your family your
endowment to last forever you have to
capitalize it with an asset which
doesn't
degrade at the rate of the the the rate
of the dollar is
7% a year for 100 years when you when
you lose 7% of your energy for 100 years
you lose 99.9% of whatever you are over
a 100
years and the only alternative is you
got to be an investor so now you juggle
razor blades it's like oh I got to go
like build something a warehouse and
it'll last for 32 years and find a
tenant who's not going to pay the rent
and then I get taxed on it and then I
got to go and talk to the politician who
created the tax and I got to run for
office and like your world becomes just
one of misery because you're ATT
tempting to not lose your economic
energy so you know I see Bitcoin as a
profound step forward for the human race
because For the First Time economics you
know crosses from being an art to being
a science for the first time you have
perfect money or a perfect Capital asset
non defective once you understand see
the steel behind you I have steel vaults
run into it I saw that okay they weigh
two tons I feel like I'm at a gold vault
or something a vault in a B I happen to
like metal what is it it's material
energy you ever seen a steel refiner you
put a lot of energy in the front a lot
of energy and out come steel and what's
the significance it'll stop a bullet
what else will it do you can create a
skyscraper with it if you build a 100
story building with steel it will
withstand a for a storm it will
withstand gravity you can stand on the
99th floor the floor will not crash you
will not die we can build a civilization
based on it what did we do we built a
civilization on Steel m you know the
highest form of material energy the
human race could Channel take the steel
away I'm going to give you
wood go to nice go to Europe look at the
kind of buildings they built before
steel they're all five stories Max you
take away the Ste steel and electricity
right those are two big ones take away
the electricity you have no elevator
take away steel the building falls over
steel
clean clean power clean energy like
almost Queen etheral energy can't even
see it Queen invisible energy and then
almost
indestructible material energy put the
two
together and you build the modern world
and so the problem as I see it in the
economic world is we never had economic
steel we've had we've had the equivalent
of economic
Ballwood you know economic clay We Built
clay houses and brick houses and straw
houses and we built houses on swamps you
know and the Bible says build your house
on a rock not sinking sand you know
builds build on a solid Granite
foundation so what is Manhattan it is
100 story steel buildings powered by
electricity on shist closest to Granite
you can find that's the recipe for
civilization okay that's what Bitcoin is
is I'm a single guy I have no children
when I'm gone I'm gone I've got you know
just like Satoshi left a million Bitcoin
to the universe so I'm leaving whatever
I've got to the civilization but it
occurs to me that 8 billion people with
crypto steel or economic steel can build
something much grander in the 21st
century than all the 20th century
economists struggling with clay and
cotton candy
thank you so much for your time I really
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