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The Bitcoin revolution & risks with Michael Saylor (Part Two)

Madison Malone · 2024-10-20 · 59m · View on YouTube →

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micro strategy executive chairman and

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self-described Bitcoin maximalist

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Michael sailor explains what it may take

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for more companies and governments to

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follow his Bitcoin adoption Playbook if

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you want to see uh the people with all

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the money and the power in the world

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embrace the asset they have they will do

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it when their vendors support the asset

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and that's a Rippling thing right

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because until you have the fair

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accounting people can't can't see how

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intelligent the idea

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[Music]

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is I want to talk about the Bitcoin

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Revolution sailor is bitcoin's biggest

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Advocate but he wasn't always this way

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in 2013 he tweeted that bitcoin's days

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were numbered now he's out there

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encouraging other companies to spend

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their cash on bitcoin holding a Bitcoin

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for corporations event to share his

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strategy so

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Bitcoin there is no second best and many

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are adopting it this year bitcoin's

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total Market surpassed 1 trillion us as

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institutions drove an inflation point to

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coming out party for Bitcoin I think

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Black Rock vanck and other firms

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launched Bitcoin exchange traded funds

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in January this year giving investors a

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means to get exposure to bitcoin's price

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through the stock market

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you do not sell your

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Bitcoin so what does sailor think is

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bitcoin's next big moment you are the

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biggest Bitcoin bull I think in the

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world easily right now but you are a

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bull among a lot of beers out there

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still it even took you what seven to

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eight years to sort of convince yourself

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that Bitcoin was something that you know

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you should convert your own balance

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sheet to and obviously now you're doing

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it but how do you convince others the

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big Tech players out there the Giants

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meta Google Microsoft how do you get

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them to flip like like Larry I I think

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uh you have to make it easy and you have

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to give people uh Gateway products that

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they can use you have to give them

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Bitcoin with guard rails you have to

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give them domestic Bitcoin not wild

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Bitcoin um what is that what's domistic

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Bitcoin versus wild Bitcoin is that like

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ibit versus on market and Cold Storage

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you know raw Bitcoin is buy Bitcoin you

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know and you self- custody it you know

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and the next is you buy Bitcoin with a

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custodian but more domesticated a simple

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domesticated Bitcoin is ibit an

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fbtc I buy it through Black Rock right

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and that's a lot easier to handle

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um there's again we're back to $900

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trillion of capital Real Estate

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Investors they want to buy something

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that looks like real estate right and

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bond investors want to buy something

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that looks like a bond and preferred

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stock wants to buy something that looks

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like preferred stock and some people

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want half the upside as a capital gain

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but they don't want the downside so they

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got to find they got to buy something

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like could convert and options Traders

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they want to trade options so when bitco

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Bitcoin first came out there were none

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of these things and then for a while

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there's an entire crypto economy that

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was created offshore you you know uh to

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much colorful drama and anxiety like the

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ftxs of the world Etc well those are

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unregulated crypto exchanges and and

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conventional traditional regulated

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investors

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can't trade in that and and it's

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probably good they didn't right because

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most of them

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failed so what we're watching right now

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since 2020 is the creation of the

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institutional vehicles in order to

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invest in

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Bitcoin and uh you know I've got this

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saying I say everybody's against Bitcoin

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before they're for it right we're all

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against it until we're for it I was uh

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you know why why are you against it it's

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like well why are you against

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electricity in 1880 you know the I'm

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sure the first guy with fire he scared a

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bunch of other tribesmen and they're

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like you know what what happens you get

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too close to fire it burns you burn no

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one wants to get burned right the the

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idiom is no one wants to get burned and

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yet Without fire we're not better than

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the Apes and then what happens when we

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play with electricity we get shocked who

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wants to get shocked it's another idiom

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in the English language shock is bad and

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yet without

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electricity like 90% of humanity is dead

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I love that the siren just went off in

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the background is like as you were

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talking about this the shock it it

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happens and so

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new technologies are scary right people

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thought that if you gotten an automobile

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went more than 10 miles an hour it would

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suck the oxygen out of the cabbin and

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you would suffocate can't be bter than a

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horse right yeah so so if you look at

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the great Revolutions in energy right

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fire was extracting energy from matter

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you know uh water was extracting energy

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from Gravity right that's the big idea

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there's gravity there's energy in this

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field if I put water there and a water

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clock and it comes down here I can turn

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a wheel with it right big idea and then

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wind extracting energy from the

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atmosphere and then the steam engine is

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let's let's refine the entire idea and

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move the you create an engine that takes

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that energy and Spins something so that

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kids don't have to do it right you know

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the steam engine eliminates slavery it's

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a pretty good idea right uh and then

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after that you know gas

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and internal combustion engines and then

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you know what what follows next nuclear

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reactors and electricity and each of

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these energy revolutions it was a

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shocking scary paradigm shift and for 30

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years people rejected it and they had

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good reason because their City burned

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down and their house burned down and

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they got electrocuted and my airplane

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fell out of the sky right it's like the

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and and if you study James Watt you he

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spent his entire life trying to make the

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steam engine work not easy right it's

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not easy bitcoin's digital energy

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Satoshi figured out a way to both

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transfer and store to basically store

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and channel energy through cyberspace

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without an

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intermediary that's a profound

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breakthrough because that means I can

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put a billion dollars in

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cyberspace I can move it 60 times a

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second I can hold it for a million years

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and and I'm not facing counterparty risk

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to a bank a country a currency a

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corporation right a culture you know a

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commodity manufacturer and so that's a

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profound idea we're 15 years into the

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Innovation we're only four years into

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the you know to the crazy years and

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really January

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2024 was really the beginning of this

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era maybe this is year zero of

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institutional

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adoption when when we have regulatory uh

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acceptance Bank acceptance and

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accounting acceptance of Bitcoin those

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three

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planks that's year one of adoption and

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when do you have that well you kind of

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got

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75% regulatory acceptance since we got

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these ETFs not all most uh when we have

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ibit trading on the options Market

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that's a big step forward and when you

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can do inine create and redemptions of

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the ETFs you've got full regulatory

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acceptance of the

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asset then January 2025 uh fair value

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accounting becomes the norm and now You'

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got accounting acceptance and now you

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can mark up and mark down the asset just

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like Apple stock or just like other

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assets and then when you have twoo big

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to fail Banks when you have the bny

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melons of the world or the JP Morgans of

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the world the state streets of the world

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they custody the Bitcoin or theyy Buy

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and they sell and they hold the Bitcoin

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you'll have banking acceptance and what

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are Banks Banks are just institutions

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that are engineered to be custodians of

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financial assets so of course the

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greatest custodians of Assets in the

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world need to custody this asset so we

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are we're right in the middle of that

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and I think maybe 2025 you can call year

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one of the institutional error of

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digital Capital that thing which is

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Bitcoin I want to come to the banks

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because I'm very keen to talk to you

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about how you see Banks as being key to

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unlocking that next phase but just on

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this corporatization and even perhaps

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government adoption what do you think is

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the fear other than just volatility I

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mean is it fear of completely disrupting

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economic theory and monetary policy as

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we know it is that the fear that these

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corporates and that governments hold so

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I I

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think the issue uh is not really with

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the asset class I I think any

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conservative or any traditional investor

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if you're a high net worth individual a

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family office if you're a successful

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Corporation if you're an agency a

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government or any political entity and I

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introduce new

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technology you know like say I come to I

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come to the government I say I got this

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electricity thing and you don't have any

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electricity in your building well what

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they would do is go to their contractor

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they've got some contractor that built

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the building and they would say can you

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backfit or rewire our building for

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electricity and the contractor said no

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man uh you know because my competitor

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just did it and they got shut down and

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bankrupted and my other you know another

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person did it and the building burned

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down so we're not going to do it for a

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while we're afraid right um in that case

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they would they wouldn't just just

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Embrace electricity immediately the

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equivalent of the building contractor

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for uh Bitcoin would be the bank so when

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your Rich Uncle you know gets asked

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about Bitcoin he's like well I call my

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broker I called my bank JP Morgan or I

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called The Standard Charter or whatever

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and they won't buy it for me yet they

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say it's too risky well I'm just going

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to hold off a bit so if you want if you

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want to see uh the people with all the

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money and the power in the world embrace

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the asset they have they will do it when

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their vendors support the asset and

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that's a Rippling thing right because

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until you have the fair accounting

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people can't see how intelligent the IDE

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is the difference between Fair

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accounting and indefinite intangible

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accounting for a big company is under

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Fair accounting you would know within 5

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Seconds whether you had a good quarter

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oh we made like $10 a share under

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indefinite account indefinite and

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tangible accounting you would have to

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read 250 pages of documents and create

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your own proprietary models and spend

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somewhere between 1 and 10 hours to

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figure out how you feel about the

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quarter and and even then it wouldn't be

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that succinct would it it wouldn't

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necessarily give you like a figure you

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know the 70 year old billionaire isn't

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going to take 10 hours they can't even

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read the document right and so

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we you know you you could get all

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intellectual about this and say oh

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they've thought about it and they don't

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like this and this and this that's not

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the case it's if I call my broker and

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say buy $10 million of this and they say

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you sure boss click and it's done then

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you start to see adoption and when the

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company that adopted it announces they

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just made twice as much in their

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earnings for the quarter as they used to

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because of it it's like well then buy

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more of that stock and when the mayor of

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Miami or the mayor of New York City

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the governor of Texas says to his

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Treasurer I think we ought to have some

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Bitcoin the treasur says okay no problem

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I'll let sit a group or Bank of America

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or Morgan Stanley no and they'll do it

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click and it's done then you're adopting

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but when the governor says the treasurer

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buy 10 billion and the treasurer says

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there's not a single Bank in the US that

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will sell that to us he's like well I

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guess we're too early and it's the same

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thing with you putting an elevator into

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your house or electricity or how about

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running water

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you know why why didn't people put

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running water in their house you know in

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1880 it's because it was like you had to

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be rich and it was expensive and one in

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a 100 people had it and the guy that's

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building your house didn't know how to

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do it he'd never done it before you know

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and and so these things get

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embraced as everybody in the society

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gets comfortable with the new technology

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and generally it's like a 30 day a

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30-year generational shift you know and

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year one no one's doing it you see those

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pictures of New York City in 1905 no

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cars

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1915 Everybody's Got a Car you know it's

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like well what did it take you know just

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it took this exponential set of

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processes and support uh for this to

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happen and the same is going on with

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Bitcoin right now you mentioned yield

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and Michael every single time I do an

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episode on bitcoin my there's always

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somebody in the audience who says yeah

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but if I buy it then I earn no yield on

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it it's not a stock I get paid a div

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dividend quarterly it's not a second

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property that I can rent out it's not

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money in the bank that I can earn a

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savings yield on so when or if but I

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think from what you're saying there when

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Banks whether at JP Morgan City start

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adopting it and allowing us to put our

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Bitcoin in the bank I've heard you speak

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about this what happens there and how

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are banks key to unlocking that next

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phas yeah let's say I give you 10 acres

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Manhattan there's the land you buy the

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land you can buy the land in 1700 1800

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1900 the year 2000 is it worth

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something you know would you sell it to

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me for a penny if you owned it no it's

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worth something right but there's no

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yield it's raw land there's no yield

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well give it to me for a penny there's

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no what no it's like it's Central Park

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but there's no yield right okay so

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what's what's the solution to the

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problem well you take the land and you

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put a and you have a company a real

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estate

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developer and the company builds a

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building on the land or parking lot

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right and and then they rent it out and

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they generate the yield and okay so do I

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like that or not well there's

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counterparty risk I got I'm I'm buying a

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security I'm buying a Reit there's a

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Company the company might build a

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building that falls down they might get

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a dead beat you know so the point is

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there's risk so you want a reliable

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company that you trust too big to fail

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to take that risk and give you the yield

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a bank well the micro strategy is doing

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it right now right like we just

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discussed BTC yield so micro strategy

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takes the Bitcoin and then we do

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something we actually find a way to to

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uh to take out a loan reinvest it and

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generate a BTC yield and and the price

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you pay is you take a risk with a

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security called mstr right so Banks do

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it a different way I mean bank will take

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your asset you have a billion dollars of

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something a billion dollars of Apple

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stock and they may loan it out to

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someone else and they may get paid a fee

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by the one person that wants to borrow

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it they might pass it on to you and they

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might not right so so sometimes they do

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they'll definitely do it with your

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treasuries or or with your cash

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sometimes they don't depends on who you

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are I think that banking uh banking is

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just the next logical step but in terms

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of how am I going to get a yield on

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bitcoin I'm going to get a yield when a

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thousand companies in in in the Russell

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2000 buy Bitcoin operate their existing

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business sweep their cash flows into

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Bitcoin and do stuff with it they

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develop business on top of it right

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that's a way to get a yield and I'll get

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a yield if uh two big defail banks that

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are well

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capitalized they um uh they start to

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accept Bitcoin is collateral and

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probably you don't get a huge you by the

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way if you if you think about the

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metaphor it's like when you own Apple

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stock it's uh you know oftentimes you

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don't get a yield by loaning your Apple

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stock but big corporations do the big

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investors actually get paid a small

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interest rate when they own loan their

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stock to people that want to short sell

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the stock and so there is a market there

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for that but more likely the next stage

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is uh a big Bank Bank accepts your

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Bitcoin collateral alongside your Apple

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and your Microsoft stock and your

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treasury bills is

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collateral and they give you some

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Advance ratio against it and then you

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can borrow it suur plus some spread

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against it because it's you know no

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worse collateral than Apple stock as a

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block is and so you'll start to see the

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formation of credit markets around

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Bitcoin well let's consider that within

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bitcoin's characteristics and you've

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already spoken about

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Satoshi let's go back to the beginning

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the Bitcoin network was started by

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Satoshi Nakamoto on January 3rd 2009

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that Genesis block included this message

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a headline from the times quote

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Chancellor on brink of second bailout

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for banks it was followed by this public

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forum Post in February 09 announcing a

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new peer-to-peer ecash system called

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Bitcoin to this day no one knows who

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Satoshi is but the network he her or

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they built has been operating for 15

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years and 289 days when we released this

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video with almost 100% reliability the

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network has gone down twice in its

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history in 2010 due to a bug and 2013

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due to a fork in the chain both were

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fixed within hours satoshi's creation

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wasn't the first attempt at a currency

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native to the internet but it's clearly

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the most successful due to its design

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that has no central point of failure

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from the beginning Satoshi didn't

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allocate any initial Supply to

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themselves for the first year and a half

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Bitcoin wasn't worth anything except the

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cost of running a computer to mine it to

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create Bitcoin miners are required to

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solve mathematical problems to add a

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block to the chain that proof of work is

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then verified by all nodes on the

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network

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the work required to mine Bitcoin can

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change due to What's called the

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difficulty adjustment and the reward

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earned by miners halves every four years

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meaning Bitcoin has a predictable

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decreasing inflation rate as it becomes

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more scarce over time bitcoin's total

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Supply is capped only 21 million Bitcoin

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can ever be mined unlike fiat currency

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that can be printed by authorities at

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the time I was making this video Bitcoin

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Supply was at

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94.11% that's more than 19 million

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Bitcoin in existence the currency is

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fully decentralized meaning there's no

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Authority or state that oversees it

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unlike the US dollar which is controlled

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by the Federal Reserve and is a system

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based entirely on trust but if sailor

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wants Banks to hold Bitcoin does that

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put it at risk of becoming more

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centralized exactly what its supporters

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wouldn't want a to be if there is more

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Bitcoin Bitcoins held with these third

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party custodians what risk does that

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pose having greater Supply held by fewer

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large institutions does that increase

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the risk of seizure and confiscation

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like we've seen with gold and is that

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not exactly what bitcoiners don't want

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to haveen no I think it's the opposite I

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think that when the Bitcoin is held by

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uh a bunch of crypto

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anarchists who aren't regulated entities

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who don't acknowledge government or

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don't acknowledge taxes or don't

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acknowledge reporting requirements that

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increases the risk of seizure if you

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know if a a country in

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desperation if China knew that there

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were underground crypto Traders with

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billions of dollars of of Bitcoin in

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their midst that didn't pay taxes the

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Chinese would probably try to shut that

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down and that's what they do so so

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normally uh the risk is greater when

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they're unregulated private entities

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that are perceived to be holding the

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asset when you have regulated public

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entities like Black Rock and Fidelity

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and JP Morgan and State Street Bank

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holding the asset well all the lawmakers

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and all the law enforcement arms they're

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invested in those entities right so

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there's no way that all the Senators and

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all the congressmen are going to seize

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the assets from Fidelity and black rock

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or Vanguard because that's where all

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their retirement money is invested so so

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the the asset moving from private to

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public hands and moving into regulated

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entities it does a bunch of things it it

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decreases the volatility it decreases

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the risk of loss it decreases the like

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like who do you trust more as a

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custodian

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FTX or Fidelity right or Vanguard or

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State Street right and if you walked

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down the street and you said you know

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would you put all your family's money in

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an offshore entity without a

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headquarters run by five dudes without

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an auditor or would you put it with a

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bank that's too big to fail in the US

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right like at the end of the day you you

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have an OG crypto Community is very

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hardcore about it but if you look at

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where all the money is

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99.9% of the money is actually in the

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traditional economy and in the war for

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the future of

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money the war is going to be one with

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money right I mean right at the end of

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the day Bitcoin is capital who's going

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to actually decide who's the winner or

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the loser the people with the capital

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and so where is the capital it's a

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Vanguard Fidelity State Street JP Morgan

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Morgan Stanley they're all regulated

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entities of sorts so when Bitcoin is

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held by those entities it becomes

23:35

regular and normal and you know people

23:39

would no more think about seizing that

23:41

than they think about seizing a building

23:43

in the middle of Manhattan or seizing

23:46

you know the you know the S&P spider

23:48

assets is why why would you do that

23:51

that's just the capital that you built

23:52

the country on well if you ask why would

23:54

you do that if you consider the Great

23:56

Depression I mean people thought that

23:57

their gold was safe in Banks until the

23:59

executive order of 1933 so we're not

24:02

entirely safe I mean I know that's kind

24:03

of a wild thing to suggest may happen

24:06

again but history does repeat itself so

24:08

people's Bitcoin wouldn't be entirely

24:10

safe it's people say that but mostly

24:12

it's mostly it's paranoid crypto

24:14

anarchists that say that okay because

24:18

it's it's a it's a myth and a Trope that

24:20

goes on over and over again but first of

24:23

all he didn't really seize the goal

24:26

people voluntarily turned in the goal

24:28

they didn't go and kick in everybody's

24:29

door arrest them shoot them and take

24:31

their goal that never happened first of

24:33

all he for it second of all he didn't

24:36

seize all the property he didn't go

24:38

seize all the buildings owned by wealthy

24:41

people in New York he didn't seize all

24:43

the stock

24:44

portfolios of wealthy people in New York

24:47

right gold was the monetary asset

24:52

backing the dollar the dollar was

24:54

literally $20 you know to the ounce of

24:57

gold right and so the problem was the

25:01

country was on the gold

25:03

standard and Franklin Delo Roosevelt

25:06

wanted to devalue the dollar he wanted

25:08

to devalue the currency he wanted to

25:10

print more dollars and so they had to

25:13

actually do something so they could

25:16

devalue the dollar and the way they did

25:18

it was put that executive order in place

25:20

and then they revalued the dollar to

25:22

$34 per ounce a

25:26

devaluation and and now you have to ask

25:29

yourself the

25:31

question is the United States on the

25:33

Bitcoin standard maybe we will be soon

25:36

but the point but the point really is

25:37

we're not right it's totally not a a

25:41

reasonable

25:42

comparison um Franklin Del a Roosevelt

25:44

didn't seize every car and every watch

25:47

and you know and every piece of real

25:50

estate and every piece of equity in the

25:52

United States because we weren't on the

25:54

equity standard or the property standard

25:56

or the or the chicken in every pot

25:58

standard or the grassy lawn standard or

26:01

the lawn standard stand we were on the

26:03

gold standard and he wanted to devalue

26:06

on the gold standard and so today we're

26:09

not on the gold standard we're not on

26:11

the Bitcoin standard the US government

26:14

has no problem printing money they can

26:16

print as much as they want and in fact

26:19

every government on Earth all of them

26:22

they're either on their own standard or

26:24

they're on the dollar

26:26

standard so in this particular case uh I

26:30

don't think we have to worry about about

26:34

you know Bitcoin held in custody being

26:37

seized by the government any more than

26:38

you have to worry about your Apple stock

26:40

being seized by the government because

26:42

the government doesn't need to devalue

26:44

the dollar against Apple stock to print

26:46

more dollars either so it's not really

26:50

an issue it's often times it's you know

26:53

people have these

26:55

inflammatory you know tropes or

26:58

inflammatory memes that they they use

27:01

and it's like I say that because I want

27:02

you to give me your money okay like I

27:06

want if if you don't

27:09

trust the bank then you'll buy my

27:11

Hardware wallet if you don't trust this

27:15

government you'll move to my country and

27:17

you'll buy a passport from me so if you

27:19

don't trust that company you'll sell

27:22

that stock and buy the other stock so

27:24

there's a lot of a lot of this kind of

27:27

of mess meing and ideas that they're

27:30

very

27:31

inflammatory and they're meant to

27:33

actually Stampede people into some

27:37

Behavior whatever which is financially

27:40

beneficial like like you can't make your

27:43

own investment decisions investing is

27:45

very hard you should give me your money

27:47

I'll make the decisions for you I'm

27:49

going to charge you 2% fee and 20% of

27:52

The Upside it's like well what should I

27:54

do about hyper well you need to invest

27:56

in a diversified portfolio of Global

27:58

alternative assets across 152 different

28:01

asset classes and revalue every quarter

28:04

oh I can't do that okay that's okay give

28:06

me your money girly I'll do it for you

28:08

right that's the kind of fear-mongering

28:11

to get you to give me your money right

28:15

and I use it to sell you a gun to sell

28:17

you a hardware wallet to sell you an

28:20

account to sell you a financial advisor

28:22

to sell you an insurance policy to sell

28:25

you a you know fill in the blank right

28:28

whatever it might be and ultimately I

28:31

think that um there's just a lot of fear

28:34

that's unnecessary the bigger idea is

28:38

Bitcoin is digital Capital it's a

28:40

million times smarter a million times

28:43

faster a million times stronger a

28:46

million times more elegant than analog

28:50

Capital physical capital and financial

28:53

capital and it's simply a technology

28:56

transformation it's it's like don't

28:59

store don't take 10,000 records and haul

29:02

them around with you and 10,000 books

29:04

whenever you travel take the iPad with

29:07

10,000 books on it and take the iPhone

29:10

with 10 million songs on it when you

29:13

travel right it's like blah blah blah

29:15

but the phone will eat me and it's

29:17

listening to me and it will steal my

29:19

identity and kill me it's like it's it's

29:22

just a computer with some digital files

29:24

on it right and so that's that's the

29:26

digital transformation of capital and

29:29

that's what Bitcoin represents so on

29:31

digital money then tell me if this is a

29:34

legitimate fear or not Quantum Computing

29:37

it apparently is going to have the

29:38

ability to solve multiple more complex

29:41

mathematical mathematical equations all

29:43

at once does that pose a legitimate risk

29:45

to the Bitcoin Network or are you

29:47

confident that developers will come up

29:49

with some kind of quantum resistance no

29:51

it's just it's just another fear

29:53

mongering end of thee World scam

29:55

narrative that people use to sell stuff

29:57

and in this case Quantum Computing the

29:59

fear is used to sell the next altcoin I

30:03

have a Quantum resistant token and

30:05

quantum computer is going to destroy

30:07

your token so give me your billion

30:09

dollars and give it to me and make me

30:11

Rich because maybe an asteroid will hit

30:14

the earth I have an asteroid bunker give

30:17

me your billion dollars and I will give

30:19

you my asteroid bunker you're gonna die

30:21

of pneumonia give me your money and I'm

30:23

going to give you a vaccine right you're

30:26

going to you know it's just fear

30:28

mongering um Quantum Computing is a if

30:32

you take the general theme it's like oh

30:34

computers are going to get better over

30:36

time and as they get better maybe

30:38

they'll get really good and they'll be

30:39

able to hack systems and what's your

30:41

response well I guess I just shouldn't

30:44

use I shouldn't invest in Apple or

30:45

Google or Facebook or I shouldn't have

30:47

money in a bank and I shouldn't use a

30:48

computer because computers might get

30:50

hacked huh I guess I okay so give up

30:54

everything in your life that has a

30:55

computer in it right including the

30:58

the podcast that you're running right

31:00

now give it all up because one day

31:02

quantum computers run by Dr Evil will

31:04

hack the

31:05

thing okay well I mean the answer is

31:08

it's silly of course computers will get

31:09

better and as the computers get better

31:11

we will adopt the better computers to

31:13

defend the net the network the Bitcoin

31:15

Network used to generate hashes a th000

31:19

jewels per Terra has it took a th000

31:21

Jews to generated a terahash and then it

31:23

was 500 and then it was 100 and then it

31:26

was 50 and then it was 30 then there's

31:28

15 and the next will be five and it'll

31:30

be one and doesn't take a rocket

31:33

scientist to figure out that computers

31:35

get better semiconductors get better the

31:37

network gets more secure it's like but

31:40

but but but but what if someone invents

31:42

something that's better than the better

31:43

thing well well we spend 10 billion a

31:46

year to keep upgrading our thing and you

31:47

think that Dr Evil like many me in the

31:50

basement with no money is going to come

31:52

up with the quantum computer that's

31:54

going to be better than the 10 billion

31:56

dollars we spend for the last every year

31:59

for the last decade so yeah if a teenage

32:02

kid with 50 bucks and a rubber band

32:05

comes up with something better than a

32:06

hundred billion dollar of semiconductor

32:08

investment then in theory they could

32:10

hack our network but why wouldn't you

32:13

just hack X and declare nuclear war on

32:16

someone and like short the market and

32:18

make 10 billion dollar by hacking the

32:20

president's account I mean illegal but

32:23

well I mean the point is it's all

32:26

illegal but my point is it's a billion

32:29

times easier to just hack the bank or

32:32

hack the communication Network and make

32:34

money than it is to hack Bitcoin Bitcoin

32:37

is the most cyber resistant the most

32:40

powerful digital Network on Earth it's

32:43

the hardest thing to hack so when

32:46

someone pitches Quantum Computing it's

32:48

normally it's a degenerate 20 something

32:51

crypto Trader that wants you to buy his

32:54

yo-yo Quantum coin and make him Rich

32:57

because he's got a yo y yo Quantum

32:58

algorithm and I just shake my head

33:01

because I think who could be so stupid

33:03

to fall for this kind of

33:05

alarmism uh it it's uh it's ridiculous

33:08

and a waste of time but having said it

33:11

all the generic Statesman like answer is

33:14

technology will advance Bitcoin is the

33:17

best most profitable use of computer

33:20

power in order to protect money if

33:23

technology advances you got to believe

33:25

that the people most incentivized to use

33:27

thech technology will be the one with

33:29

the trillions of dollars of money to

33:31

protect it will go there first all those

33:34

advances will be first implemented into

33:36

the Bitcoin Network to defend the

33:38

network they won't be used by teenage

33:41

boys to attack the network probably

33:43

teenage boys would rather hack Twitter

33:46

it'd be cooler we're just G to go aead

33:48

but it's been done it's been done again

33:52

it's very simple to do it's a billion

33:53

times easier to do to hack these

33:55

communication networks and so that's

33:58

where your threat will

34:00

come to sum this all up and I would love

34:04

you to give a again a non-stat man like

34:06

answer to this one Michael but can you

34:08

give us your Bitcoin superiority complex

34:11

about the asset and can you we in some

34:14

of what you spoke about earlier about

34:16

government's printing money and if you

34:17

consider the economic cycle that we've

34:19

been through over the past four years

34:21

while you've been accumulating Bitcoin

34:23

like crazy how has that in your mind

34:25

increased its superiority

34:28

so you know a short summary why is

34:31

Bitcoin better first of

34:35

all if I had a hundred Rich families and

34:39

they lived all over the world and they

34:41

didn't trust a government and they

34:42

didn't trust a bank and they didn't

34:44

trust a corporation and they had a lot

34:46

of money and they wanted to keep their

34:47

money for a thousand

34:49

years if God came down from heaven above

34:52

and said hey I'll run the god bank issue

34:54

21 million God coin and I will make sure

34:57

that no one can steal your God coins you

35:00

can buy in however you want and you can

35:01

trade telepathically with each other and

35:03

I'll do this for

35:05

free they'd probably accept that right

35:08

the history of the human race is people

35:09

looking to heaven to solve their

35:11

problems in every religion okay in the

35:15

absence of God coin and God coming down

35:18

to do this the next best thing would be

35:21

an intelligent engineer that creates a

35:24

crypto Network that combines

35:26

semiconductor technology

35:28

public private key encryption and the

35:30

internet

35:32

tcpip okay that's a crypto coin so now

35:37

we create a crypto coin and the question

35:40

is who's going to run the the software

35:43

because nobody trust anybody and maybe I

35:45

trust you and you trust me but I don't

35:47

trust your idiot great-grandson you

35:49

don't you even had him yet I mean how

35:51

could we trust your great great

35:53

grandchild okay so we're all going to

35:55

run the software and we're going to run

35:58

it on thousands and hundreds of

35:59

thousands of nodes and anybody who

36:01

software cheats gets kicked off the

36:03

network okay that's the idea Bitcoin

36:06

it's basically a crypto asset Network

36:10

now the question is okay I figured that

36:12

out now what kind of monetary policy I

36:14

want I want 21 million hard cap forever

36:18

never can make anymore I want a scarcity

36:20

I don't want anybody can make nobody can

36:22

make anymore okay that's good now the

36:26

question is okay I did that now which

36:29

network is going to win so we launched

36:33

Bitcoin as the as the 40th try and the

36:36

first one with the right monetary policy

36:39

the right cryptography and a and an

36:41

equitable launch Satoshi launches it

36:44

walks away forever disclaims beneficial

36:46

ownership it's an Immaculate Conception

36:49

okay what if somebody else launched

36:52

another crypto network with an

36:54

Immaculate Conception you know there's

36:56

been 5 million cryptos launched most of

37:00

them are not immaculately conceived some

37:02

of them still have the founding teams

37:04

that are getting rich off of them when

37:06

there's a founding team getting rich off

37:07

of them with with a jet and with an

37:10

office or with a mansion it doesn't look

37:12

Immaculate there's no Satoshi in a

37:14

swimming pool flying his jet around as a

37:17

billionaire right that's why maybe he is

37:19

we don't know we don't know who the who

37:20

he she they are and the point is we

37:22

absolutely know there isn't because the

37:24

coins have not moved in 15 years and we

37:26

can see them

37:28

so now the question is you got all these

37:31

smart families and they're staring at

37:32

the crypto gold network if you will or

37:35

Gold's not even a good good example just

37:37

a crypto bank and the question is which

37:38

network is the best

37:40

one well we sort through it and we try

37:43

Bitcoin and it and it kind of works for

37:44

a while and then we trust it more money

37:46

gets onto it you know and for a while

37:49

we're not sure and then 2020 some crazy

37:52

entrepreneur buys $250 million of it for

37:56

a public company and that's the first

37:58

time in you know 10 years anybody ever

38:01

bought a quarter billion dollars on that

38:03

Network and people are like oh my God

38:05

yeah and then that same person buys

38:08

another $9.7 billion dollar of it and so

38:11

we he must be crazy my God okay so in

38:14

that time where there's one company

38:16

micro strategy buying 10 billion do of

38:18

that

38:19

asset it's not a single person ever

38:22

publicly spent 250 million on any other

38:25

crypto asset ever of the 5 million

38:28

nobody even put in the first 250 million

38:31

nobody put in a 100 million right go

38:34

find it you won't find it so now you

38:37

have an interesting issue which is why

38:39

is Bitcoin the winner it's because all

38:41

the smart money in the world decided

38:43

that's the winner did it have to be well

38:45

no it's like why do we speak English

38:47

because all the rich powerful people

38:48

decided on English could it have been a

38:50

different language it could have been

38:52

French Napoleon wanted it to be French

38:55

but it wasn't French it was English Eng

38:57

why do we use base 10 math CU all of the

39:00

rich powerful engineering companies use

39:02

it is it the only form of math no

39:04

there's base two base eight base 16

39:07

right same with measurement stands why

39:09

you you know we have the big joke about

39:11

the metric system right we're still

39:12

trying to work through that protocol so

39:15

Bitcoin is the protocol that the rich

39:18

powerful smart people chose okay so you

39:21

can Fork it and create your own and you

39:24

will have to find stupid poor people to

39:27

buy yours but why would I actually want

39:30

to put all my money in the network with

39:32

the stupid poor people when I've already

39:35

got the network with the smart rich

39:37

people right and and the result of that

39:40

is Bitcoin is the most powerful crypto

39:43

Network in the world and you can measure

39:45

it via computer power 700 x aash that's

39:50

$40 billion of special purpose

39:52

semiconductors that generate more hashes

39:54

than all the computer power of Microsoft

39:57

all the computer power of Amazon all the

39:59

computer power of meta if they all

40:01

ganged up on it they still can't get the

40:03

700x has it's the most powerful computer

40:07

network then it has 18 gaw 18 gaw of

40:12

electric power that's the most powerful

40:15

electrically powerful Network 18 gws is

40:18

more power than the US Navy uses to run

40:20

all the aircraft carriers and the

40:22

Destroyers and the battleships wow we

40:24

conquered the world with less than 18 GW

40:27

wats of power it's 18 fullon nuclear

40:31

reactors running fullon right spread

40:34

everywhere in the world okay how does

40:36

that compare it to the second P the

40:37

second pest has like 0.1% that much

40:41

power one you how you know how about the

40:44

hash rate 1% maybe and then $800 billion

40:49

of actual

40:51

Capital micro strategy spent 10 billion

40:54

to get

40:55

1.2% work it out in your head look at

40:58

the fouryear simple moving average of

41:00

Bitcoin multiply by the number of

41:02

Bitcoin look at the trading volume look

41:04

at real people thousands of

41:06

institutional investors with real money

41:09

at risk the Bitcoin miners the black

41:11

rocks Etc right like uh 70 billion 60

41:16

billion doar put into just the ETFs

41:18

alone real money right 800 billion in

41:22

capital had backed the network so what's

41:24

the second best the second best doesn't

41:26

even have eight

41:28

like 99% of the real money went into the

41:31

Bitcoin Network everything else you read

41:33

about in crypto right all the other

41:36

crypto assets that might be a store of

41:39

value I'm not counting the stable coins

41:40

because they're just dollar pegged but

41:44

everything else probably doesn't even

41:45

have eight billion it might have a few

41:47

billion dollars right so it's like 99%

41:51

99.9% dominant and then you go to the

41:55

political power well there's 420 million

41:57

crypto people that love crypto but

41:59

what's the reserve asset of crypto it's

42:01

Bitcoin 420 million voters and then 200

42:05

million people that hold an instrument

42:08

back by

42:10

Bitcoin so what's the source of the

42:13

network political power electrical power

42:16

digital computer power economic power

42:20

right that's you know that's the source

42:22

of power of the network it's like well

42:25

why should I buy that well

42:28

once you understand that it's the

42:30

dominant crypto Network now the issue is

42:32

well why should I buy Bitcoin instead of

42:34

gold well the gold Supply is going to

42:36

double every 30

42:38

years and you can't teleport gold 60

42:40

times a second and the AI is not going

42:42

to want the gold right and you can't put

42:45

gold on your iPhone right Gold's not

42:47

digital if you have a hundred million do

42:50

of and you put it into gold and you wait

42:52

hundred years you'll have $12 million

42:54

worth of gold that's why you don't want

42:56

gold if you have 100 million of Bitcoin

42:57

and you hold it 100 Years you'll still

42:59

have $100 million worth of bitcoin right

43:01

so gold is an gold is the best of the

43:03

Commodities but it's awful because it's

43:05

got a 2% inflation rate what's the

43:07

difference between 2% inflation rate and

43:09

0% inflation rate it's the difference

43:12

between living 30 years and living

43:16

forever like one is Mortal okay here's

43:19

your choice take the orange pill you

43:21

live forever take the gold pill you live

43:24

H you're half dead in 30 years you're

43:26

half dead you're going to live 7580 and

43:28

you're dead right this is Immortal Life

43:30

this is Immortal Life That's difference

43:32

between 0 and 2% gold is the greatest of

43:35

the Commodities every other commodity

43:37

inflates at 10% a year 20% a year 50% a

43:42

year they're awful Commodities are awful

43:44

stores of value but what are they good

43:47

at here's what they're good at

43:49

Commodities are ethically

43:51

sound okay that means they're an asset

43:53

without an issuer you can promote gold

43:56

or a chicken in every pot or land or

43:59

silver or you can promote soybeans or

44:01

you can tell people to keep kerosene

44:02

behind their house those are Commodities

44:05

you cannot promote a security a security

44:08

is an asset with an issuer if a senator

44:11

says God bless Apple she's promoting a

44:14

security if a senator says God bless

44:17

Bitcoin they're promoting a commodity

44:20

it's like promoting bluegrass music it's

44:23

like promoting fasting it's simple

44:27

a cultural or a technical idea so what

44:32

do you want as your long-term store of

44:34

value you want something economically

44:36

sound that means absolutely zero

44:40

inflation rate forever and nobody can

44:42

screw with that you want something

44:45

ethically sound that means an asset

44:48

without an issuer where the inventor PR

44:51

Prometheus disappeared you own fire you

44:55

know electricity you can use it the

44:57

English language you can use it math you

44:59

can use it Bitcoin you can use it

45:01

there's no company with the copyright

45:03

that charges you a royalty right it

45:05

needs to be ethically sound needs to be

45:08

a commodity right and and finally it

45:12

needs to be technically sound you know

45:16

good engineering and so you know a

45:19

building is sort of it's sort of

45:22

economically sound not as good as

45:24

Bitcoin because you got property taxes

45:26

and and entropy you know and earthquakes

45:30

happen and uh a share of Magnificent

45:33

Seven it's kind of economically sound

45:35

but it's a security and if the Chinese

45:38

decide to seize Apple's assets or if the

45:40

US seizes a Chinese company's assets you

45:43

know you've got all sorts of political

45:45

risk but Bitcoin is both the economic

45:51

economically sound asset and it's the

45:53

ethically sound asset but it's a big

45:55

Tech digital Network it means that I can

45:58

move a hundred billion dollar a million

46:00

times a second okay so what the big idea

46:05

is I can give a capital asset to 8

46:09

billion people on on their mobile phone

46:12

and 10 million computers can trade it a

46:16

million times an hour across every

46:21

jurisdiction right and so if you want to

46:24

give uh music to 8 billion people you

46:26

need digital music you can't do it with

46:29

records and at track tapes and if you

46:31

want to give digital Communications

46:34

right you want to give education to 8

46:35

billion people you need digital

46:36

education you need to give them lectures

46:38

for free for the cost of electrons and

46:41

if you want to give wealth to 8 billion

46:43

people you need digital Capital you need

46:45

to put your wealth on your iPhone and

46:48

you need to know that it will last

46:50

forever and I just ask anybody I ask you

46:54

what do you own in your life that you

46:57

think your family will still have intact

47:00

that will be valuable 300 years from now

47:04

right what what would that be right

47:06

because there's no conventional thing

47:09

there's no company that's going to last

47:10

300 years right they might not live in

47:13

New Zealand 300 years from now I could

47:15

give you 10,000 acres in Auckland and

47:19

the issue is so can you take it with you

47:21

when the government changes and they

47:23

decide to seize the assets of people

47:25

with blue eyes

47:27

right because it happens if you look at

47:29

the history of the 20th century and

47:32

you're like uh what country didn't seize

47:36

assets of somebody over a hundred years

47:39

right it's like you had one country the

47:42

United States that won every war and yet

47:46

that country's currency lost

47:49

99.9% of its value against scarce assets

47:53

that's the winner right the winner gives

47:56

you one10 of a percent of your wealth

47:58

all you know the rest is all just

48:01

anxiety inducing counterparty risk well

48:04

I'll tell you what does live on is a

48:06

legacy and you mentioned mortality but

48:09

sadly neither you nor I are going to

48:12

live forever it's a bit of a personal

48:14

question and a cynic may say that you do

48:16

this because you have something to

48:18

financially gain but I feel like after

48:20

this conversation the effort that you

48:21

put in the generosity with your time why

48:24

do you bother educating everyone on this

48:27

talking about Bitcoin you know I mean

48:28

even if you take a a guy like Jack dorsy

48:32

and you ask about Bitcoin you say I

48:33

didn't do it for the money I did it to

48:35

fix the

48:37

money the legacy is the English language

48:41

electricity

48:42

fire fion Fusion

48:46

engineering right

48:50

telecommunications right

48:51

mathematics all of these things are and

48:54

what's the Legacy here it's it's

48:56

monetary protocol which is true

49:00

right the history of the human race if

49:03

you look at it it it's fraught with

49:06

people dying from Dirty Water dirty air

49:11

dirty clothes dirty

49:14

environments you know dirty everything

49:17

right it's like dirty dirty blood and

49:21

you know overcoming that

49:23

with electricity and clean water right

49:27

just just the the joke is like a poor

49:29

person sits down at a table and they put

49:31

a glass of tap water in front of them

49:33

and that's what you drink if you have no

49:35

money if you have money you buy a Coke

49:38

Zero or if you have a lot of money you

49:39

buy a$1 th000 bottle of wine but the

49:41

poor person drinks the glass of water

49:44

and you know I just finished reading

49:47

again the story of Civilization by Will

49:49

Durant it's like whatever you know the

49:51

books are all over there it's 11 volumes

49:53

it's 15,000 Pages you read all 11

49:56

volumes from the beginning to the end

49:59

and there's thousands stories of famous

50:02

people that died of

50:04

gout because they didn't drink water

50:06

they drank wine because the water had

50:09

bacteria in it and chaa and you died of

50:11

infection if you drank the water if you

50:14

were the king of England you couldn't

50:16

get clean water then the rest of them

50:19

died because they walked past the swamp

50:22

got bit by a

50:24

mosquito and they you know they didn't

50:26

have any cure for malaria they had no

50:28

modern medicine or they died to

50:30

tuberculosis because there's no

50:33

penicillin or there's no antibiotics or

50:36

you know to to treat it and

50:40

so today right it's like what's your

50:43

legacy it's like clean the air clean the

50:46

water what kills the patient it's dirty

50:49

food dirty water dirty air right how do

50:52

we kill George Washington we bled him to

50:54

death we bled him to death right that's

50:57

why he died and so what's killing every

51:01

corporation on Earth it's dirty money

51:04

dirty Capital to be

51:06

precise the asset that every every

51:09

publicly traded company 50,000 companies

51:11

use is sovereign debt sovereign debt

51:14

yields 3% after tax at best 2% the cost

51:18

of capital is 133% it's a negative real

51:21

yield of minus 10% it means that you

51:23

hold a billion dollars you lose 100

51:25

million a year holding

51:27

money it's like forcible chemotherapy

51:30

for your Healthy 14-year-old teenager or

51:33

it's like strapping the 12-year-old kid

51:35

down and taking two pints of their blood

51:37

every day and sending them off to track

51:39

practice it's a very morbid metaphor but

51:41

I I I I'm picking up what you're putting

51:43

down the point is it's

51:46

medieval but at the end of the day

51:49

that's the Scourge the burden of

51:51

humanity that they've been hauling for

51:53

thousands of years and so when you ask

51:56

what is human progress what elevated the

51:59

civilization you know it's technology

52:03

and it you know a lot of painters they

52:06

went blind because a middle class family

52:09

can afford one candle look around you

52:13

right each one of those is one middle

52:16

class Family of Light clean light clean

52:19

water heat air conditioning electricity

52:24

energy clean blood and biotics right a

52:28

language you can speak right all of

52:30

these things are Define modernity so

52:35

what is my agenda my agenda agenda is

52:37

fixed the money because the 50,000

52:40

companies have a life expectancy of 10

52:42

years you know why you die in 10 years

52:45

when you could live forever it's because

52:47

you have toxic chemicals in your vein

52:50

right I can kill a healthy person if I

52:53

inject poison into their vein I can kill

52:55

a healthy person by sucking the blood

52:57

out of their

52:58

body if the money is

53:01

broken all 8 billion people right have

53:04

toxic Capital all 300 million companies

53:08

have toxic

53:10

Capital every institution every

53:13

nonprofit every government every city

53:15

every state every IDE everything you

53:18

wish to uh to accomplish you need in

53:22

part economic energy you need energy to

53:25

accomplish

53:27

what is electricity it's clean silent

53:30

energy it's clean silent energy take

53:33

away the electricity look at everything

53:35

around you we're in the dark this

53:37

podcast is not happening clean silent

53:40

energy catapult it created cities it

53:44

created Manhattan it created the modern

53:46

world what is bitcoin it's clean silent

53:51

programmable Immortal money right how

53:55

what's it worth

53:57

it's worth half of everything it's not

53:59

worth the other half it won't fly you

54:02

and it won't cure your cancer and it

54:04

won't make you happy and it won't solve

54:06

your mental issue and it won't make your

54:08

children love you it's not all that and

54:11

it won't stop a bullet right the world's

54:14

full of stuff right materials and

54:17

vehicles and Technologies and medicin

54:20

that do things what is it it's economic

54:24

energy it's the other half right it'll

54:27

solve half the world's problem I give

54:30

you energy that do I give you a battery

54:32

that doesn't lose its power you know

54:35

like that'd be nice because one of our

54:37

camera batteries stopped halfway I wear

54:40

this watch I don't to take it off you

54:42

get an Apple Watch you got to recharge

54:44

it every night I get what about a

54:46

battery that lasts forever right I mean

54:49

that's the promise of nuclear fusion

54:51

give me a power source I could put in my

54:53

pocket that will last forever now

54:55

imagine how much better the world is

54:57

Bitcoin is digital energy if you want

55:00

your company your family your

55:02

endowment to last forever you have to

55:06

capitalize it with an asset which

55:08

doesn't

55:09

degrade at the rate of the the the rate

55:12

of the dollar is

55:14

7% a year for 100 years when you when

55:17

you lose 7% of your energy for 100 years

55:19

you lose 99.9% of whatever you are over

55:22

a 100

55:23

years and the only alternative is you

55:25

got to be an investor so now you juggle

55:27

razor blades it's like oh I got to go

55:28

like build something a warehouse and

55:30

it'll last for 32 years and find a

55:32

tenant who's not going to pay the rent

55:33

and then I get taxed on it and then I

55:35

got to go and talk to the politician who

55:36

created the tax and I got to run for

55:38

office and like your world becomes just

55:39

one of misery because you're ATT

55:42

tempting to not lose your economic

55:45

energy so you know I see Bitcoin as a

55:49

profound step forward for the human race

55:51

because For the First Time economics you

55:54

know crosses from being an art to being

55:57

a science for the first time you have

56:00

perfect money or a perfect Capital asset

56:03

non defective once you understand see

56:07

the steel behind you I have steel vaults

56:10

run into it I saw that okay they weigh

56:12

two tons I feel like I'm at a gold vault

56:15

or something a vault in a B I happen to

56:17

like metal what is it it's material

56:19

energy you ever seen a steel refiner you

56:21

put a lot of energy in the front a lot

56:24

of energy and out come steel and what's

56:28

the significance it'll stop a bullet

56:31

what else will it do you can create a

56:33

skyscraper with it if you build a 100

56:35

story building with steel it will

56:39

withstand a for a storm it will

56:41

withstand gravity you can stand on the

56:43

99th floor the floor will not crash you

56:46

will not die we can build a civilization

56:48

based on it what did we do we built a

56:50

civilization on Steel m you know the

56:53

highest form of material energy the

56:56

human race could Channel take the steel

57:00

away I'm going to give you

57:02

wood go to nice go to Europe look at the

57:05

kind of buildings they built before

57:07

steel they're all five stories Max you

57:10

take away the Ste steel and electricity

57:13

right those are two big ones take away

57:14

the electricity you have no elevator

57:16

take away steel the building falls over

57:20

steel

57:21

clean clean power clean energy like

57:25

almost Queen etheral energy can't even

57:28

see it Queen invisible energy and then

57:32

almost

57:33

indestructible material energy put the

57:37

together and you build the modern world

57:41

and so the problem as I see it in the

57:43

economic world is we never had economic

57:46

steel we've had we've had the equivalent

57:49

of economic

57:50

Ballwood you know economic clay We Built

57:55

clay houses and brick houses and straw

57:58

houses and we built houses on swamps you

58:01

know and the Bible says build your house

58:03

on a rock not sinking sand you know

58:07

builds build on a solid Granite

58:09

foundation so what is Manhattan it is

58:12

100 story steel buildings powered by

58:15

electricity on shist closest to Granite

58:19

you can find that's the recipe for

58:23

civilization okay that's what Bitcoin is

58:26

is I'm a single guy I have no children

58:29

when I'm gone I'm gone I've got you know

58:32

just like Satoshi left a million Bitcoin

58:36

to the universe so I'm leaving whatever

58:39

I've got to the civilization but it

58:41

occurs to me that 8 billion people with

58:43

crypto steel or economic steel can build

58:47

something much grander in the 21st

58:49

century than all the 20th century

58:52

economists struggling with clay and

58:55

cotton candy

58:57

thank you so much for your time I really

58:58

enjoyed this Michael thank you my

59:13

pleasure thanks for watching markets

59:13

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