Bitcoin and Immortal Sovereignty | The Saylor Series | Episode 8 (WiM008)
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to
deliver force faster
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so if we ask the question what is money
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human beings can channel
bitcoin is channeling human ingenuity
into making it better and and
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energy
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the the historic colloquial term
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hey guys welcome back to episode 8
of the sailor series here on the what is
money show
today we're going to talk about a number
of interesting concepts getting
even deeper into bitcoin theory and how
it
has effects on the future of humanity
so if you haven't seen episodes one
through seven i highly recommend you
check those out
um a lot of the material uh we built
upon there
it just uh is compounding as we get
deeper into uh bitcoin theory
so today we're gonna talk about a number
of things uh firstly
is the divinity of engineering actually
and how
uh this creative impulse is sort of what
defines
uh defines man and fulfills man
we're also going to look at bitcoin as a
medium of exchange
um and talk about why sailor thinks it's
actually a low frequency medium exchange
and a high frequency store value
uh we'll also learn why it's pretty bad
idea to compensate people in bitcoin uh
turns out
tax codes are pretty hostile to that at
the current time
um we'll also look at another monetary
function of bitcoin and that's as a unit
of account
um we're going to look at bitcoin 2 in a
macro context
how it sits as an asset class adjacent
to other asset classes
we're also going to do a deep dive into
crypto versus
digital networks this is a delineation
that sailor makes to distinguish
uh decentralized crypto networks versus
say centralized digital networks and
we'll talk about the trade-offs between
the two
um then we're going to get into the
really interesting topic of immortal
sovereignty
which is something that crypto networks
enable
and actually allow us to project our
preferences beyond our own life
so i think that's a really interesting
part of the conversation
and finally we're going to get into
we're going to revisit actually money is
power
we're going to talk about advanced
technology as
magic and we're going to see what the
two of those look like when they come
together
and then finally um we'll discuss
bitcoin
as a pure and principled ideology um
which is something somewhat unique in
the modern age
so there's another big episode uh i hope
you guys have seen one through seven if
not again go check those out now
and with that let's jump in gonna bring
up one more point on the religious
aspect of bitcoin
that i've thought about and my religious
tradition too was southern baptist i was
raised southern baptist so i have
uh judeo-christian i guess underpinning
in my thought
but there's the ancient idea in in
genesis
was that god was the the force
that confronts chaos with
courage truth love and converts that
chaos
into good and habitable order
so when we look at that kind of like
through a thermodynamic
lens we know the whole universe is
everywhere and always
trending towards increasing chaos and
entropy
and that the only thing that works
against that
thermodynamic arrow of time is life
actually life
converts entropy into order
right so in a way we could say that
life or even the maybe the the god
aspect of life is the anti-antropic
principle
that propagates through all of life and
i can't help but relate that and see
bitcoin
in that lens too where we do have this
system
that's actually reaching deeper into
chaos
than anything else right like like the
the shaw 256 mining algorithm is
quite literally finding a single atom in
an entire universe
right that that is the the the
mining race if you will is identifying a
single atom in the universe
and with that reach into chaos it is
forging the most profound order we've
ever had right it's you can't argue
with the bitcoin blockchain it's just
whoever has those ut exos has them
so it seems to me like there is
something very
pro a profound connection between truth
and this principle of converting
chaos into order um and then the the
quote that took that home for me with
gk chesterton was a dead thing
can go with the stream only a living
thing
can swim against it so there's something
like bitcoin again in that sense is
quite literally alive bitcoin and
beavers
the beaver the beavers engineering the
stream that created dam
human beings are engineering systems
bitcoin is an
engineered monetary energy system it's
the first
it's the first well engineered monetary
system
that we built and uh
human beings through their intellect
channel that energy and
within within the system we
extract order and we have a very
efficient structure
and the price we pay is some disorder
outside of our
system so some energy dispos
dissipation but i'm not terribly
concerned with that
the the universe has got more energy
than it needs
right and just dipping our fingers into
0.000
with a million gazillion o's after it
one percent right right and so
it can it can spare a little bit of
energy and when we
when we create something beautiful be it
a railroad
or bitcoin network or a
social network or the like right we
we find a way to do something millions
of times
faster smarter stronger than before
and that drives for the human race and
so
this is not it's not the only great
achievement of the human race it just
happens to be
the most interesting achievement of the
human race
would you say that's the struggle then
as we're sort of pushing back
entropy that's what civilization is
right we're creating more a larger
bubble of order
within the the universal bubble of
entropy
i i would say
the highest calling of man is to extract
order from the chaos
and you could also say
you know humans are divine when they
engineer
a better habitat for themself and those
that they love
through their intellect the human the
human that bridges
the bridges the chasm
the human that constructs right the
the city the human that creates
the machine right and that's been going
on for human history that's the most
honorable you know an admirable thing
that human beings can do
and if we didn't do it you know we'd be
running around naked on the planes being
chased by wolves and probably eaten
by wolves and that's that
so so to engineer his divine
look at a problem engineer a solution
that's why we respect the engineers
you want to talk about bitcoin as a
medium of exchange
let's do it um
you know a lot of people they focus upon
the white paper and
you know we debate it out of an item and
i i've
i think that everybody that um
we agree with notes that peer-to-peer
cash means a settlement network
for a bearer instrument and
and it's important that in that regard
you be able to exchange assets
it's in my opinion utterly
unimportant that you be able to engage
in high frequency
small transactions on the bitcoin
network
and um i think that it's uh
it's dysfunctional to pursue that vision
i think the roger beer is just wrong
in this regard i mean it was a nice idea
rajavir thinks
the magic in bitcoin is to be able to
pay for coffee
with your phone but and that's it's a
tragic
error of of insight that was not the
magic of bitcoin
then and it isn't now the magic of
bitcoin is being able to
catapult energy 100 years in the future
and not lose the energy
and then the the other magics are the
magics that come from right then
wrapping
the bitcoin with software to make it
smarter
faster and stronger that's the magic the
ability to do a a
minor transaction it's it's trivially
inconsequential number one only one to
two percent of your wealth needs to be
in these high frequency transactions so
a logical thing for anybody is just to
keep one two three percent of their
wealth and fiat
and then operate it on the paypal
network or the visa network
or the apple pay network or some
centralized network
i think safadeen's already made the
point a proof of work network is a
billion times
less efficient or a trillion times less
efficient
than the centralized version so you're
going to get a billion
times more speed and a billion times
more economy
by running the one percent of your life
uh on a centralized network and if you
didn't
if you didn't need to move it to as a
off chain
right off chain can be nut i don't think
it's another crypto i just think off
chain is just a centralized network
you might just put it on square or apple
because nobody cares whether they go to
business in a year or two years or five
years
and the fact that if you're if you're in
a country
the fact that uh that uh
those transactions are being monitored
just means that well one percent of your
transactions
one percent of the value of your
transaction will be monitored
if you want to do something illicit you
would do it
0.01 percent of the time on the bitcoin
network
so you know that the the one time in
your life when you need to flee
uh iraq or syria as a refugee and that's
when you need to do your
your on-chain transaction well then you
use bitcoin and you can wait 30 minutes
you'll probably be okay
right by definition if you move a
billion dollars
once it's a billion times more valuable
than moving one dollar once
and so the the use case of moving a
billion dollars back and forth
is valuable and you can pay high
transaction fees
and the use case of moving one two three
five or ten dollars or fifty or a
hundred dollars
is not valuable because it's it falls
exponentially or at least linearly
with the amount of money being moved now
there's some other reasons why
bitcoin doesn't make sense as a medium
of exchange right now
um and maybe never i i tend to think
never i think what's going to happen is
well we can debate semantics and what
does medium exchange mean but
i think bitcoin is a high frequency
store of value
low frequency settlement network
or or low frequency medium of exchange
once a month
is more than enough once a year maybe
enough
once in a lifetime might be enough if
the rest of the ecosystem develops
there'll be a point at which there's a
crypto bank and robert breedlove has
200 bitcoin in an account and he puts
points
the bank toward the bitcoin and the
bitcoins worth a million dollars of
bitcoin
and uh the bank will forward you fiat
on credit and good rates to do whatever
you want your entire life the bitcoin
will never move
and then and the bank will do whatever
and if the bank fails
what do you care the bank fail not you
doesn't matter you've got one percent
i mean you've got nothing at risk they
actually took all the risk
so you don't need to do things with high
frequency
to great value other than protect the
money
now there are some accounting and
systems and tax reasons why it doesn't
make sense
as a medium of exchange uh the obvious
thing is
every time you actually take revenue in
bitcoin
it would be a taxable event you would
well you would mark the bitcoin so
if you paid me in bitcoin while bitcoin
is trading 10
500 i have to market if you paid me 27
in bitcoin i have a ledger entry 27
of bitcoin in a 10 dollar basis
if your friend bought another thirty two
dollar book i have another ledger entry
i would if i sold a million things in
bitcoin i'd have a million ledger
entries with a million different basis
prices
and then if i paid you a salary in
bitcoin
i would then have to figure out whether
capital gain on it
and then i have to pay the tax so if
if i have a hundred million in bitcoin
and then next year i pay a hundred
million in expensive with bitcoin
and bitcoin went up by a factor of two i
would actually generate 100 million
dollars in capital gains and i would owe
20 or 30 million dollars to the
to the federal government within 12
months
for the privilege of using bitcoin which
runs a billion times slower
than apple pay so how many ways is this
awful
well first of all it takes a decade to
get your accounting systems to work
it's it's worthwhile to note like how
how does a global multinational work
i have 27 subsidiaries in 27 countries i
do business in about 10 different
15 different currencies u.s euro but
juan
yen pesos rial mexican peso argentine
peso
you know you name it we got lots of
currencies
by law we do that by law we pay all the
medical bills in those currencies all
the insurance all the vendor
relationship took 10 years
takes 10 years to set up a global
multinational from start to finish
probably takes five years to get all
your accounting system to work right
i it's 20 30 40 million dollars
to get it all working right
if i buy 500 million in bitcoin i put it
in the treasury
i stare at it i never do another
transaction hopefully for the not decade
until we are in an insolvency event
we're not moving it right why would we
the truth is
like we want to put it in the vault and
throw away the key
like like i would i would say to
anybody i don't want to be able to move
it i just want it to sit there
i'm going to wait for it to appreciate
then
we sell stuff in in juan and yen and
euro and dollar
and we put that onto our accounts we
sweep all the dollars into one
maybe one currency dollar we sweep all
the fiat into one thing dollar
we balance and if we need to shuffle
some stuff around and working capital
accounts we
we put it back if we don't need it for
working capital we sweep it into the
treasury
if it's in the treasury we convert it to
the treasury reserve asset bitcoin it
goes in
never comes out
you know what you know a vendor once
they send me a bill i pay them in a
local
currency no vendor's going to bill me in
bitcoin
by the way people say i've heard this
like
well don't your employees want to get
paid in bitcoin
well the answer is no they don't but
let's say the answer was yes let's say
all of them were bitcoin maximalists
exactly how much bitcoin are they going
to get paid in they have mortgages
they have bills so the answer is we pay
them in the local currency
and if they want to buy bitcoin or if
they want bitcoin they buy it
right and and and by the way
why would it be an awful mistake to pay
them a bitcoin
because we would accelerate the tax bill
by 20 by 100 years
right and as and by as bitcoin is
volatile we will generate
all sorts of tax obligations right
the second thing is we would increase
our accounting complexity by an order of
magnitude
right and the third is by the way the
third is
ever our employees will then have to
sell the bitcoin
and generate their own taxable
accounting complexity
in order to get cash to pay their
mortgage
and pay for their kids school or
whatever they're doing right so
you're creating lots of complexity here
if if i got 000 employees and 200 of
them want to own bitcoin then i pay all
2
000 and euros and dollars and pesos and
yen and one
and they go in their local exchange and
they buy the bitcoin and they hold
it because like do i want to hold it
right
it's all you know so the point is uh
when you're running uh a company with
bitcoin as an operating system the
logical thing to do
is you just sweep your fiat into your
treasury convert your treasury into
bitcoin let it sit there and then let
every
if a vendor wants to get paid in bitcoin
i pay them in dollars they buy bitcoin
everybody wants to get paid in bitcoin i
pay them in dollars they buy
the bitcoin the whole ethos of bitcoin
by the way is take responsibility for
yourself
right don't treat adults like
children and so for it's it's
patronizing in a way for me to say well
robert you work for me but i'm gonna
help you by
paying you in bitcoin it's like you know
you're a smart enough person
you want to buy bitcoin with it here's
the money
buy bitcoin with it how about it right
what you do the money
is has a constant value at the time i
transferred it from me to you
and the thing that really cripples
a cryptocurrency uh and a thing like
bitcoin as a medium of exchange
is the um the tax treatment that
the local regulatory domain takes at the
point that the united states irs decided
that this was going to be taxed as a
capital gain
on the moment of sale it was utterly
impossible it could be a currency
it's just that simple it's done right
for anybody to even maintain it like
the only way you could think that you
could use it as currency if you're going
to run a black market gray market
operation with no accounting
no accountants no lawyers on staffs
and it's like good luck with that right
i mean how many
how many uh discos and bars got shut
down
for for sales tax
invasion or income tax evasion right
like
what was it like most of them
yeah small businesses they're
they're eventually going to all want to
follow the regulators and get shut down
so
so it's just not practical from a
systems point of view
it would take me a decade to rewire the
systems it's not practical from a
complexity point of view
you just made your accounting a hundred
times as complex
and it's not practical from a tax point
of view you just triple
tax rate and it's not practical from you
know
a whatever employer point of view
because it's making everybody else's
life more complicated too so
so that's why i think the bitcoin really
isn't a medium
exchange as much as it is just a low
frequency
settlement network i'll make one more
point this is like a via negativa
um the fact that you could settle
peer-to-peer
means that you might not have to for a
hundred years
right the fact that you know i say to
you
robert you do as i say or else if you
have the ability
to leave the country and and depart with
all of your wealth
and i know you have the ability
right it's like robert heinlein has a
phrase
an armed society is a polite society
yeah it's like if you know
i i live in miami beach sometimes i run
around and people have guns in miami
and uh you can carry a concealed curry
permanent right
uh uh uh a young
a young uh debbie taunt that looks
harmless
could be walking around with a gun in
her purse
and you think twice when it's two in the
morning and you're in a bar and
everybody's drunk before your
pushy or root right and then you think
maybe i shouldn't be in a bar at two in
the morning when people are drunk
and maybe and then you think maybe i
shouldn't mouth off to someone that just
cut me off on the highway
somebody pulls over and they shoot you
dead
i just ought to be very polite to
everybody walking down the street
because
every single person could have a gun
concealed on their person and maybe i'll
i'll be nice to people today it's it's a
deterrent right
and so the ability to cash settle or the
ability to settle
and exchange that's the turn because the
fact that i know you could
means that i'm going to treat you with
respect right
i knew you couldn't if i thought that
you were trapped if
you were stuck in my monopoly and i had
a i had total power over you
then i start to take you for granted and
then i start to abuse that power because
as lord acton said right absolute power
corrupts
absolutely right
so the power to do a thing is more
important than the doing of the thing
and that's what that's what the bitcoin
cash guys they miss
they miss the fact that if i can
move all the money when i need to
then i won't need to and so yeah
i need to be able to move it so it'll
hold 100 trillion in value
but no i don't need to move it now
and maybe i don't need to move it more
than once ever just to make an example
it's like nuclear deterrence once
maybe i used it twice i haven't used it
since but do you think that doesn't
you yeah it's not effective you think it
doesn't matter
i think i think it's a great point and
this gets back to the difference between
a free market and a monopoly right in a
free market you know
that your customers have options right
they can
go to other providers they could settle
elsewhere they can move their capital
out
and because they have that optionality
you as the producer provider
are accountable to their preferences you
have to listen to the customer right you
have to listen to their wishes and
desires and
make sure you're satisfying your wants
whereas on the other end of that
spectrum is the monopolist
to your point he just doesn't care about
the preferences of his customer because
his customers have no choice
they're stuck in his little fifedom and
um
that is that's what i mean is the
difference between
an economic democracy and an economic
dictatorship
so this the the fact that bitcoin is is
totally
movable anywhere anytime and you can't i
guess put the gate around it
and monopolize it is what makes it such
a game changer
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just because you can do a thing doesn't
mean you should do a thing
that's basic stoic philosophy
and there's the line that comes in the
movie where
where where is it uh the guy says
the loudest man in the room is the
weakest
american gangster i think that's it
american gangster
right the loudest man in the room is the
weakest man in the room
if you know i can do it
if robert breedlove can teleport
anywhere on earth
anytime with all of his energy and i
can't stop it
that gives you a lot of power i'm going
to give you a lot of respect
but that doesn't mean you want to flit
around back and forth
all right all right wait like a firefly
you know you can do it now do something
constructive
with the knowledge that you can do it
it's quite
confidence and don't get distracted
by shiny objects right fast transaction
rates
low transaction costs they're little
shiny little lures at the end of a hook
that the stupid fish grabs
it doesn't matter it's it's the it's the
what is the word it's the cracker jack
box prize or something like that
uh if you look at the value on earth
there's 250 trillion dollars of value
in assets what's the value
of being able to move money back and
forth to buy coffee
and by the way what's the likelihood
you're going to beat
apple in that race right this is the
picking up pennies in front of a
steamroller type thing right
basically yeah it's just uh
not worth doing and
given the fact that it's a million times
more expensive from a tax point of view
and given the fact it's a billion times
more expensive from a computing power
point of view
the only reason to want to do it is
regulatory arbitrage i.e gray market
black market operation
no not a very profitable pursuit of
human ingenuity
you know it's like right you ask meyer
lansky what'd you learn in all your
years as a gangster he said
it was so hard i realized if i didn't do
it again i just would have gone straight
you know it's a lot easier to make money
just being legitimate
so inventing some kind of technology to
to evade the regulators
explicitly right they they might
let you invent something that will
that will carry energy a hundred years
forward because it seems like something
that legitimate law-abiding citizens
might want to do
they're not gonna let you invent
something that allows you to evade taxes
and so why try so hard it's just not
worth
the trouble i'm reminded of the stories
of like
pablo escobar and he made the billions
of dollars
selling all the drugs and cocaine and
they say at the end of his life
he's sitting on the run and they're
burning hundred dollar bills in order to
stay warm
good good luck with all that money as
energy right
i mean the vignette you know just
sitting
burning stacks of hundred dollar bills
because no one will let you spend it
just it's example just trying too hard
not worth the trouble
so let's talk about unit of measure you
know bitcoin is
as a unit of measure um
i think bitcoin is a universal language
of economic truth
i think that it will evolve as a
as a unit of monetary energy right it
makes sense in that way
before bitcoin uh if you go back 50
years people talked about ounces of gold
so i think a bitcoin will be like an
ounce of gold
like like uh
an immutable non-sovereign
or i guess immutable self-sovereign unit
of economic energy it makes sense to
think of it like that
on the other hand it'll it'll generally
always be
converted into local fiat and the
political domicile in question
for buying and selling things so and
that's okay
i mean there'll be countries that will
have stronger better currencies and
they'll be have countries that'll have
weaker currencies and they'll crash
their currencies and they'll replace
their currencies and
as long as you hold bitcoin in your
account you'll be able to go into a new
country like i mean
i've been to you know i've been to a
country after they crashed their
currency like we've all been to germany
they crashed their currency we bought
the new currency
then when then they got rid of the
market with the euro we bought the euro
so the the right way to think of it as
is as um just this a
standard unit of
economic energy or monetary
energy and not overthink it anything
more than that
it can be interesting to say divide
stock price by
gold ounces or you can you can divide
you know the cost of living by ounces of
gold or buy bitcoin
that's interesting that's okay and but
it may get it'll give you a pretty good
um read on inflation
if one bitcoin buys you a car
in the u.s but one bitcoin buys you a
skyscraper
somewhere else right then you'll have
relative cost of living and
and there you know people did that with
a dollar right they used to say
you know you could live in you know in
mexico on the beach for 187 dollars a
month
live like a king there are relative
strengths
and i think i'll be like that but i
don't think we need to stretch any
further than that i think that's enough
i think ultimately people over they they
focus
too hard on medium exchange unit of
measure and they
and they underestimate the value of
bitcoin
as a store of value and as an asset i
think i think they don't
they undersell it and they they don't do
it justice
because it's so much better than every
other asset
and then i think you know the the entire
community of crypto it's just it's
it's too much engaged in debates between
the various crypto networks
with each other because one that you
know
i'll post something you know bitcoin is
uh bitcoin is a great way to transmit
energy into the future
and then they'll you know the ripple
people will start fighting or the
bitcoin cash people
someone gets triggered and takes offense
and
the way i see it is
crypto is a 300 billion dollar pond
sitting on the beach
next to a 300 trillion dollar ocean
of capital of energy
that's 99.9 of all energy of humanity
is sitting in alt assets not
alt coins not crypto
currency so
you know i i see all the the crypto
enthusiasts like working all the alt
coins
and they're just trying to drag down
bitcoin it reminds me of like a bunch of
crabs in a bucket
and then and and the bucket's kind of
hot or overheating
and the one crab wants to crawl out and
the other crab just want to drag it back
in instead of crawling on his back
it's like all the crabs just keep
pulling each other back into the bucket
it's it's totally self-sabotaging and it
doesn't matter
because what they ought to be thinking
is
how do we get 30 trillion of the 300
trillion to flow into our pond
[ __ ] right yeah thinking we want to
go from 300 billion to 3 trillion
and from 30 trillion and from 30
trillion to 300 trillion
and the way you're going to get there is
not
by attacking each other the way you're
going to get there is by dividing the
market
and focusing so
if you want to be a cryptocurrency while
the currency means you have to have a
stable asset value because the irs is
going to tax you to death if it changes
so tether can be a currency and it
cannot change
and you want you know do we need one i
don't know maybe we'll get by with a
centralized stable coin and maybe we
need to decentralize stable coin
there's a the market will decide that
but
but that's a thing in its own and if you
want to build a crypto application there
are applications
that of things that people might want
the bitcoin doesn't do like
total privacy or maybe you want to issue
title or provenance or maybe you want to
do a decentralized
exchange or wrap something or implement
insurance or lending
that's fine d5 their applications
have at it you'd be better off to say
ethereum is 60 of the application market
tethers
52 of the currency market
for cryptocurrency crypto app and then
bitcoin is 95
of the crypto asset market and if you
if you believe in another type of asset
now
i don't i don't think that it's
impossible we will ever come up with one
i just think right now the only clearly
successful crypto asset is bitcoin
right all the crypto enthusiasts will be
better
just to accept the success of bitcoin
because it's the gateway drug for all
the alt asset
holders to move into crypto and
they really ought to be encouraging the
next three trillion dollars to come and
the number one way to do that
is not to relentlessly ruthlessly attack
and sabotage and undermine bitcoin
but you know but rather to celebrate its
success
because as it gets bigger the uh the
opportunities
for uh for other crypto networks to
interact with it
will also get bigger absolutely and
that's
i to people that don't understand the
space
i like to articulate it that bitcoin is
digital gold
it has essentially already run and won
that race and that for the same
economic and game theoretic reasons
there's only one analog
gold there's only ever likely to be one
digital gold
so it's almost like you have to just
accept that and then i
describe the rest of the crypto asset
universe
as liquid venture capital subjected to
little if any due diligence
right some of them may succeed
meaningfully in markets orthogonal to
money
um but it's very high risk right and you
can
the fact that anyone can spin up one of
these assets in 15 minutes on the
ethereum blockchain
there's a very low barrier to entry very
low diligence so
um invest accordingly right i i suggest
no one if you're gonna have a crypto
asset portion of your portfolio
i think the highest risk position you
could ever be in is 80 20
bitcoin everything else and the
conservative position would be 100
bitcoin zero percent everything else
i agree with you i think we see it the
same way
and i guess that's a it's a good segue
just a general crypto theory
yeah the emergence of magic and
cyberspace
what's a crypto network what's a digital
network how do i view it
and you tell me if i'm right or wrong
i'm a newcomer
you've been around for a while my view
of
crypto network is a crypto network is
is a software application running on a
decentralized network with a consensus
mechanism
ideally proof of work arguably maybe
proof of stake or some other
some other consensus mechanism that that
uh
theorists would agree promotes
decentralization
and and anti-fragility
and a digital network is a centralized
network it's the facebook or
twitter or google or apple or whatever
a more conventional client server
network so as we look in the future of
cyberspace we're going to see
crypto networks and digital networks
why would you want a crypto network you
want a crypto network for immortal
sovereignty
and anti-fragility
we know bitcoin is doing that right now
um if you want to convey humanity
across time and space especially across
time maybe across time and domain
right domain might be even better than
space you know crypto networks aren't
necessarily faster
than digital networks for moving ship
through space
but they're but they're better at moving
across domains
if uh and the reason for that
is that sometimes you have um lowest
common denominator regulatory
or compliance constraints that [ __ ]
the innovation in a digital network
apple computer
will never do certain things because
they're
subject to the u.s law
even though they could do them in 98
countries and so
a crypto network may in fact may develop
faster uh across regulatory domains
if um if digital networks are crippled
um there's obviously trade-offs between
digital and crypto and
i think about it's like trust security
and duration
are attributes of crypto economy
performance functionality and compliance
are attributes of digital if i want to
do a cheap economy cheap it's a billion
times cheaper
on this on a digital network if i want
performance it's a million times faster
on a digital network if i want
functionality
it's likely much more functional there's
nobody that would dispute that apple pay
or or apple or google their their
beautiful
functional products apple or google maps
right trying to do google maps on a
decentralized crypto network would
probably be
a disaster and in compliance
right digital networks are better at
compliance sometimes we
regret their compliance right they shut
down stuff and they censor things
but they're better at compliance
and so the very things
that uh that make crypto attractive
trust security duration are purchased at
the price of giving up
economy performance functionality and
compliance
and um the conclusion is
some stuff makes better sense to be
doing digitally
and other stuff maybe with crypto
the it's early days and the only
obvious conclusion we both agree on
is bitcoin is a successful crypto
network as a store of value
we know that everything else
is an experiment and it when it hits
a hundred billion dollars it's not an
experiment anymore
right and we can debate whether it's an
experiment at 50 billion but
but i would say at 100 billion dollars
it's a it's a
thing and it's pretty clear and it might
it might be a thing that we all know and
recognize below that but
but you need a lot more education to
determine that
i think the just to throw on my two
cents here is the
it is distinguishing between a
decentralized network and centralized
and this this reminds me of an old quote
i forget who said it but
if you want to go fast go alone if you
want to go
far go together right so the centralized
solution is kind of like going alone
because it's just according to one
single plan
it can innovate very quickly and move a
certain direction very quickly decision
making is concentrated
whereas the decentralized solution has
more of a
dynamic equilibrium that lets it persist
further across time so the centralized
solution
is going to be really compliant really
fast really innovative
but the decentralized solution is really
only useful when you need
censorship resistance right you need to
know that it will persist
across the maximum duration of time and
that no
individual group or uh or individual for
that matter can can shut it down or
manipulate
it so it'd say bitcoin is at the extreme
end of that centralized or decentralized
end of the spectrum or something like
apple would be at the other end
yeah yeah you could use a metaphor like
an aspen forest
or some massive biomass
versus an animal a vertebrate versus a
you know invertebrates you know
different life
plants versus animals right uh
they're different creatures and they
have different lifespans
right you want to live for 2 000 years
you know or do you want to live for 80
years but one of them moves faster than
the other but one of them's more
vulnerable than the other
right i think um from a human point of
view the real question for humans
is do you want to put your trust in man
trust in an organization trust in a
company
trust in a government
do you want to put your uh and or do you
want to put your trust in a
crypto network and um
we're going to solve our problems with
the segmentation
mixture of these trusts um
and and you don't have to right for
we're probably not going to create uh
we're probably not going to put the
functionality into bitcoin
in a total decentralized proof-of-work
network that will do what amazon does or
uber does or pandora or youtube does
probably not but do we really need to
probably don't need to
so when we think about the crypto
industry segmentation i think
you really you want to divide and
conquer
you want the a crypto network by the way
is a life form
and i think that's different i mean
there's a genetic encoding
in a crypto network and that's it's
it's very different than um solving the
problem with
the human being or solving the problem
even with a digital network
when you design the protocol of bitcoin
and you let it go
it becomes a life form and it multiplies
and all these nodes spread and all these
miners spread
and you can't easily you can't pull the
genie back in a bottle and re-engineer
the genetics of it
and release it and then wand in fact
you would almost say that like once
plankton is spread out to dominate all
the ecosystem if god had a better idea
you know he created that and made those
minnows
he created bacteria he created a new
species
you have a better idea create something
different and if that's something
different is in the same
energy ecosystem as the plankton it's
not going to make it
right you can create a bird and the bird
can coexist
with a deer but it's hard to create two
apex predator birds and put them in the
same space at the same time one of them
eats the other one
one apex predator creature you know it's
like
and that's the same thing with crypto i
think
yeah you got to think of it as an
evolution of a new life
life force in cyberspace and the genetic
code is of paramount importance
so if you really hope to be successful
and this is my opinion when you release
the privacy coin you need to say this is
for this thing
and this is what it is and we're gonna
we're going to get it just right
and we're going to let it breathe and
let it live and we're not going to mess
with it or monkey with it
and we're not going to decide that we
wanted the monkey to have wings and also
have gills and
swim and then if i'm watching tv and i
see these cool antler things i want to
put the antlers on it
but you can't be a technology tinkering
enthusiast
with a crypto
you have to be you have to have more the
mindset of
it's the it's the crazy guy in the lab
coat
in the laboratory creating a new kind of
life virus creature so you get one shot
and it's out of the lab
right and you're done yeah you get it
back
and you and so you should be aware of
just how important it is it's a protocol
life is a is it's a strand of dna
and that dna is going to go and it's
going to do whatever it's going to do
it's it's you're creating
life and so how devastating is it for
god to say i created human beings i made
a mistake
i'm going to recall them and then tinker
and do a human being 2.0
like it's
it's a problem right i don't know i
guess in the bible right
the biblical analogy is the flood where
everybody just gets
killed right or you know or some some
crazy stuff in the garden of eden
but you know with with things like
ethereum right you've got a theory of
1.0 and now you're trying to do ethereum
2.0
you'd almost be better off just to do
something different
as opposed to like retrofit something
because
right it's like it's like going back and
trying to force fit the dna
you could do it with a digital net
or it's it's okay if you're running on a
single server and
and uh throw it throw a switch and
everybody switches it
but the whole point of a decentralized
life form
is they're all different and they all
get to make their own decisions
and if and if you can order them
to do something it doesn't feel that
decentralized
they're not decentralized exactly yeah
so
with regard to to this i mean i look at
the crypto industry i think the logical
segmentation is assets versus
applications versus currencies
it is the purpose of the crypto network
to be an asset
and bitcoin clearly is and then bitcoin
cash and bitcoin satoshi vision the rest
are trying to be
it seems pretty clear that bitcoin is 93
94
of all the assets and the other ones are
probably going to zero and the only way
you don't go to zero
is you have to be differentiated in a
way that the marketplace appreciates
you it's a species right
i can't be almost like a bunny rabbit i
need to be
a wolf i need to be different than a
bunny rabbit
right and and and it's an important
caveat
differentiating the way the market
appreciates or in other ways in other
words
differentiated in a way such that nature
gives you an advantage in natural
selection
so taking bitcoin forking it and making
it
do transactions 10 times faster
isn't good enough because you're a
million times slower than the other way
to do transactions so that's just not a
genetic
mutation that works it's a it's an
example of a faulty genetic mutation
that kills the carrier and takes an
extent it's an extinction level of
mutation
genetic mutations happen all the time in
nature
most of them are mistakes right
but some of them might work right if i
can if i can stand up on two feet
and if i can find a and my eyes start to
work ten times better than your eyes and
i can fashion missiles then maybe that's
gonna work for me
and maybe i will procreate so it it's
not
impossible to have a genetic mutation on
bitcoin
that would be um naturally uh
advantageous it's not impossible
it's just the pro you know the ones you
look at right now like
what do you have i mean transaction
speed that's really no good
privacy it's a it's a regulatory threat
and so therefore
yeah it's kind of a nice thing but it's
a bull's-eye on his forehead which means
that
when the regulators go to shut down
crypto exchanges the first thing they'll
do is pass a law against that
right and so tell me
um give me an example of a
mutation on bitcoin that would make it a
distinct
asset that would deserve to have its own
life
as a store of value
i i've thought about this a lot and
written about it and
i have yet to identify one like bitcoin
sort of perfects the main properties of
money that you need
and then the added caveat to that is
that even if a
mutation or innovation occurred such
that the market
identified it as useful right and you
saw this reflected in its market cap
bitcoin also has this capacity to absorb
feature set
from competitors right so if something
becomes market proven
bitcoin can assimilate that to its
existing utxo set
just as living organisms do but just
just as companies do like you get a
competitor that which does not kill me
makes me stronger right instagram
absorbing snapchat story feature right
totally destroyed snapchat so um
we don't see another one right now it's
not impossible to conceptualize that
maybe there would be one but right now
it looks like bitcoin is 94
of the crypto asset market you can't
include ethereum because
although it's proof of work now it's
going to proof of stake
and that you know they don't even have
um
you know a commitment intellectual
commitment to be
right proof of the it's not clear to me
the proof of
uh the proof of stake is intellectually
defensible over the long term it's not
proven it seems like it may be defective
as like right it's it's like an
example we're back to this issue it's
it's
it's like i want to hobble the antelopes
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it's like somebody complained we're
using too much energy it's almost like
the environmentalist
took over and they've decided that
they're just
mad that someone's using too much energy
so they want to pass a law
to stop it but it's a law against mother
nature
and it's booting to hobble the antelope
and
so the the four percent or five percent
crypto assets left there
satoshi vision bitcoin cash none of them
are differentiated enough
that they that they would seem to have
any future in a darwinian world
right like so their destiny seems to be
to go to zero
so then we go to crypto currencies
that's a simple one stable coins
like i mean people go ballistic if you
said they're cryptocurrency because
everybody wants bitcoin to be a
cryptocurrency
but if the definition of currency
is money that you can legally spend in a
country without incurring taxes
right bitcoin is not a currency but
but tether is yeah right because
it's kind of simple read the irs tax
code
you'll find most places on earth
they're going to tax it as an asset
and there's nothing wrong with that in
fact that's better it's actually a
mistake
why would you want to create a
short-term currency
that's a billion times more expensive
to to do to implement uh computationally
than the other one right it's like the
only reason you want to do something a
billion times more expensive is for
immortality immortal sovereignty
but you've got that and you have that on
99
of your assets 99.9
of the time then you're good
then you can afford to have a little bit
of risk in order to get a billion times
faster performance
on a digital network so
that's currencies uh the only reason for
cryptocurrency
is for regulatory arbitrage or or
maybe maybe innovation due to
right decentralization if you can if you
can make the argument that
that we're going to innovate faster
because we're governed by the laws of
singapore
and people in malta can use singaporean
cryptocurrency
and it's not technically illegal it's
just it's just a hundred times better
because we're able to tap into that
regulatory arbitrage opportunity
correct remarket then i think okay
fine right that there's a place for
crypto currency
i guess you could add the speed factor
to like the tether can be moved 24 by
seven
whereas us dollars would face certain
restrictions in terms of time
or or jurisdiction right capital
controls as well
on the other hand you can move apple pay
24 7. you can move square
24 7. right there's no reason why you
couldn't have run a digital network
24 7. by the way binance is the digital
network
and you can trip 24 7 on binance
so binance could simply clear they could
just move it
around if i'm moving money or on an
exchange or between exchanges
i could do that on a digital network i
don't need uh
a crypto network to do it right so
whether or not people will use a
digitally based
stablecoin or crypto stable coin it's a
function of regulatory arbitrage and i
mean there are privacy issues that
people have
and then there are there are trust
issues
but um i guess you would say actually
tether
tether is a digital network actually in
this framework right
it's not decentralized you trust the
counterparty
because there's a central authority that
can actually intervene right
right and so you can almost argue that
if tether is the king of stable coins
uh it's running on a digital network not
a network
like die maybe die if it's truly
the irony is diet is a truly digi
decentralized one but people don't like
it because it's because it's inefficient
and it doesn't quite
peg the value but yeah but but you can
create you could create a crypto
currency as a stable coin you know using
an
oracle i mean using some information
feed and using bitcoin as the underlying
collateral
and and create a synthetic dollar and a
synthetic
euro you could
and while we need it it depends i mean
it takes us to crypto applications and
digital applications well
well i mean finance and coinbase you
know and
hobie and the like they're digital
exchanges they're digital networks for
exchange
and then you've got you know you've got
the decentralized exchanges right
uniswap
sushi swap and um there's like um
there's a very romantic notion like
decentralized exchanges will be
digital exchanges not so sure
i mean like i will see
but the point that i made in one of my
tweets is
so i buy 400 million dollars worth of
bitcoin
i do it in seven days
for seven days i have some exposure
on a digital exchange i move it to coal
storage
for the next 10 years so for the next
three thousand or 20 years
for the next 7 500 days
it's off the uh the digital exchange
so 99.9 percent
or more right what is seven divided by
seven thousand right it's like yeah
it's 99.9 99.9 percent of the time
i'm not exposed to the risk of a digital
exchange
and so everyone that says well digital
stage or risky
well it's risky in the same same way
that walking across the street is risky
robber
but you do it right in theory when you
cross a crosswalk
if the red light failed couldn't you get
slammed into with a truck and killed
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okay so are you gonna take the position
that we're gonna have to build
flyovers on every crosswalk in the world
it's pretty expensive yeah you know
so what will happen there
i don't know but it seems to me that
binance is doing just fine as a
centralized
exchange and it seems that it's square
works fine
as a digital client application and it
looks
if apple computer announced that you
could send bitcoin
or cash buy apple pay tomorrow
or my imessage i think a lot of people
be
pretty happy to do that and they'll be
complaining about it and uh
and it really comes down to this issue
of
economy it's a million times cheaper
performance it's a million times faster
functionality it's a million times more
functional
and compliance they're probably more
compliant in the country you're in
so if you can do it on a digital network
you probably will when you think about
crypto you really have to ask this
question
you know like what is so important
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that i want immortal sovereignty
what is so important and certainly my
life force
if you said to me michael i'm gonna take
all of your energy
and i'm going to protect it and i'm
going to fulfill your wishes
from now to a thousand years from now
i think that's worth it
that's a religion that's a crypto
i have a park i'd like for the park to
be trimmed and the trees to be kept nice
and i'd like for the park to be
beautiful for the next thousand years
it'll cost a million dollars a year
and so if i put 50 million dollars into
endowment
and it generates two percent yield then
i could reasonably say to robert
robert why don't you take my 50 million
and put it into bitcoin and then then
becomes the question of
you know how am i going to see my wishes
through for a thousand years
well the current way you would do it is
you would create an institution like the
rockefeller institution or the hughes
institute
and you trust human beings
what we're really talking about is we're
talking about
um we're talking about the crypto asset
network of bitcoin
taking the base layer and holding all
the monetary energy for
a thousand years and then we're talking
100 years if you think a thousand years
is crazy we've got 100 years
then we're talking about a digital
network
maybe it's uh you know gardeners.com
and it's special or amazon will probably
do it because they'll probably do
everything by the time
we get through the decade there will be
nothing that they're not doing
and so let me make it easier
let's just say i want to send flowers to
everyone in my family on their birthday
for the next 100 years
with a little note for me telling them
how much i love them that's the simpler
thing
i i put i endow an account with bitcoin
i create an amazon account i wire it up
with flowers i create some
kind of mechanism so that when children
are born they get added to the family
unit
and the thing drips out a little bit of
money in
monetary energy in bitcoin converse to
fiat
buys the flowers for 187 000 a dozen
roses right in the year 20 47.
and it ships them for the person and i
die happy
and for the next hundred years or
thousand years
flowers get delivered to people in the
sailor family line because that was my
last will and testament
and uh how would i do it if i was john d
rockefeller
100 years ago i i would have a crapload
of assets
probably a lot of gold and stock and he
owned every oil company
they're still around and then you would
put some of that
into a foundation a non-profit
foundation because you need to be
tax-free tax advantage
and that's why you got to go nonprofit
and then by the way all your capital
gains become tax-free tax advantage and
all your income becomes tax advantage
right so that's a good idea
and then you have a board of governance
and you have like five
advisors and they appoint a money
manager and they appoint a business
manager
and um when one of them retires they
they have a selection committee process
to put someone else and
we're probably on the seventh generation
of advisors to the rockefeller institute
by the way johnny rockefeller created
the university of chicago
it's still running you know rock
played a lot of stuff still running
rockefeller university
um so
i can do it the old-fashioned way but
you're probably talking about
to do it well you need a hundred million
dollars of assets and a five million
dollar a year operating budget you get
down to one two million dollars is not
rice
five million dollars a year is the
minimum
your best bet is you have to become a
university a religion
a church or a non-profit hughes
institute
so that's the way that you get immortal
sovereignty
or like some long-range sovereignty
another standard why people do it is
like
rockefeller bought up all the land on
the hudson river and he gives it to
he gives it to the state of new york
turn it into a state park and get it and
get the um
or a national park like grand teton
national park
and you get the federal government the
state government to uh to agree to fund
it in perpetuity
for the smithsonian institution the
problem with all those things is that
some of you can't even trust the
governments right
but your best bet is you lay it off on a
state or federal government and
that's okay until the government fails
or it reneges
on something or other but the bottom
line is it's
it's not really within the grasp of
small mid-sized business
or the individual just
what is youtube youtube allows you to
become your own tv station
so what are we talking about here well
you know the
the cliche be on bank it's kind of a
cliche and i i
think if we look at it a different way
it's like
i'm a i'm a normal person
i put my i endow my own monetary energy
into bitcoin
i plug it into some uh digital network
i give the keys to someone i trust
family member air maybe i do multi-sig
right
and multi you know instead of um having
five people on a board if you have five
people on a board of an endowment with a
hundred million or a billion dollars in
the endowment
they're kept honest by filing annual tax
forms with the irs
and in theory they can be personally
liable if they defraud
the foundation or abuse their fiduciary
trust
but you know it's kind of like a 20th
century idea
a better idea would be i put the money
into a bitcoin
and i have like three or five digital
keys
and it takes three out of the five to
vote on everything and then when anybody
when anybody
every three months they have to register
that they're online
and of healthy mind and spirit and if
someone stops registering
then the remaining four automatically
appoint a fifth
and whenever anybody retires they
automatically transfer their key
and then what i've done is i've
de-materialized
an endowment board of directors
corporation institution
and it's just become maybe a simple
application in cyberspace
plugged into a base layer of monetary
energy
and it's doing something whatever that
something is
and so that's an operation of people
uh people and digital networks and
crypto networks in order to
allow people to achieve their hopes and
desires over long periods of time
that's really interesting that you can
lock up
the base layer you know money
and then appoint this multi-sig schema
as almost a decentralized organization
in a way among these five members and
then that gives
uh the ability for your will and
testament to be carried out in a more
dynamic way across time because as
governments fail organizational
landscape changes or other
macroeconomic conditions change these
five people can adapt
right so they're sitting on this money
that you've
put behind the wall of encrypted energy
but it also gives it some dynamism
in a way that they can adapt to your
will and testament
and until computers get so smart that
they do it all for us
the most likely outcome is i appoint
three people or five people and then
they plug in the digital networks that
do all the stuff that we want done
like maybe maybe um you want to host all
of your writings
and all of your videos for the next
thousand years
in cyberspace okay so you appoint three
trustees of the
breed law of institute you endow it
or with some amount of bitcoin
you live a fine life you depart
and their rules are every 10 years they
have to find
someone to replace them you put your own
term limits in there
the romans did it every year by the way
you could put all sorts of rules that
you could say that
everyone that actually reads my stuff
and passes the test can vote on who this
five trustees are going to be or you
can't even be a trustee
unless you've watched and read
everything and understood everything and
passed
you know my quiz that i left for you you
know what if ludwig von
mises left all of his stuff in
cyberspace and we need to read all this
stuff absorb it
and pass an oral exam by him in order to
become a fellow
and we became a fellow we're invited to
the academy of
austrian economist and that goes on
to all eternity and then the academy
the academy adds to the body of
knowledge and they can upgrade the
protocols and they can upgrade the test
and then they pass the flame down from
generation to generation the entire
thing becomes anti-fragile and it's a
religion of austrian economics
it's it i think in the guild system
what's something to be an immortal
sovereign
crypto network then you think like the
guilds it's it's got to be something
that people are so passionate about
they'll pass it down
from parent to child father to son
mother to daughter
you know uh master the student there are
things like that i mean
schools of martial arts brazilian
jiu-jitsu other jiu jitsu
religions etc and the medieval guilds
were like that
maybe there would be a like for example
i like environmental causes
what if what if i had a park and i said
well people have to go and have to work
in the park and support the park
but the part is this private public
entity where you could be a member
and you can use it but only if you
contribute to it
and protect it and then i endow it
and becomes a self-sovereign entity
for a thousand years with like a it's
like a
park owners association right yeah it's
really interesting
you've called previously uh i think
domain names
akin to digital real estate
and so what's coming to mind is that you
could also do this with
a domain right you could fund a domain
in perpetuity and then
populate it with these institutional
factors you've described
um bitcoin.org yeah
well yeah any domain i mean
it could be wisdom.com and the people
put wisdom in
and there are curators and it's and
there's a governance mechanism
and it's a support mechanism and you
just want it to go on forever like a
monument
in cyberspace um interesting
think of it as a monument in cyberspace
yeah
right it's it's something that has some
functionality
but you know the real question here is
just
um what do you love
and what is it what is it you want to
achieve in your life's time
and and people you know are you a family
man are you a political man
are you religious uh you know do you
love art
maybe maybe you want to create a website
that allows people
to upload their art you can upload
digital art
and then other people can like can check
it out or use it
subject to some licensing and you just
want that to become like
i guess like a wikipedia type thing
right it's a common service but you want
it to just go on forever
this is so interesting subject or
fragile to human
failure right it's so interesting that
another way to think about money is the
medium for expressing
preferences right when you buy a car or
sell a house
the economy responds dynamically by
making more cars and less houses
so now with bitcoin you can actually
express these preferences
trans transcendentally of space and time
right you can express them
in theory for all all eternity
um
sorry can i give you two examples to pop
them on please yeah
all the time you have examples of rich
donors that they endow
a professor or charity university and
then the money gets hijacked
to build a new football stadium or
i i want to endow professorship of
austrian economics but then someone
takes over the university and so they
divert the money to buy a new
hot dog truck so i'm dead
how do i make sure that someone doesn't
that they really fulfill my last
dying wish how do i make sure well if
i can do it if i have a rockefeller
institute and they hold the per
strings and they go it out annually and
then they
and they watch but then i have to
actually have a bunch of people that i
trust that 100 years from now will
remember what my wishes were
and you know and maybe you know maybe
nobody cares about that but
but uh it's a challenge for people now i
i wanted to naples this year
and if you go to naples you go into the
port uh
you have all these um super yachts in
the port
and very very wealthy people on the
super yachts but if you walk out of the
port
uh there's puddles on the floor
and there's this there's this part in
the middle of naples right next to the
and it runs about 10 blocks and uh
50 years ago it was beautiful in the
jewel of naples and it was like central
park
and everyone could come there and enjoy
the day now if you walk through it
all the buildings are spray painted
they're all closed there's pooling
stinking water no grass grows it's just
mud it looks like something 40 years
after the apocalypse
it's in the middle of like the third
largest city in italy
there's money everywhere and yet somehow
neither the municipal government nor the
state
nor the federal government of italy
nor any wealthy person can manage
to come up with a hundred thousand euros
a year
to water the grass and mow the water
in the middle of a city of a million
people
the public jewel of the city the single
most important piece of real estate in
the entire city
is suffering from a tragedy of the
commons now
i ask myself if i was that wealthy
person and if i wanted to bring that
part to life
oh if you wanted to do it top notch and
you need a million dollars a year
a million euros a year you want to do
spectacular something 10 million euros a
year
if you want to just mow the lawn and
water it
and keep it from being a stinking mud
infesting war zone
100 000 euros a year
how do i actually endow that part
without having the money
hijacked by whoever hijacked the money
because obviously none of the economic
energy
is making it to that part in the middle
of naples
it might be a more worthy cause just
giving a third of my money to
the government as tax on my death or two
thirds when i die
for them to whatever they're doing
like what can you say about a
civilization that can't keep its central
park in its
most important city in the province from
being a stinking
post-apocalyptic zone right
terrible like one of my values
so people have wishes they have a hard
time
realizing their wishes i there's a lot
of ways to do it
and then the theoretical magic way to do
it is
i create a program on a crypto network
in cyberspace it runs on a blockchain
network nobody can stop it ever
it's unstoppable code it's it's
literally a magic spell
um a less intense way is
i power it with crypto network and i use
a combination of people and digital
networks
to do it i think ultimately
people can achieve what they want in a
variety of ways
if i want to be fed i can feed myself by
hunting a deer
i can feed myself by raising chickens i
can feed myself by growing some corn
these are all different ways to achieve
what you want the real key is
i need to have mastered the technology
of hunting
the technology of farming you know
or cultivating animals wildlife
and then the technology of farming and
if i have all three of those
technologies on my fingertips i can mix
and match
then i can actually do
something interesting i think that's the
potential here
what's we talked about
about uh money is power
any sufficiently advanced technology is
indistinguishable from magic
so if you apply advanced technology to
money
then you can give someone magic power so
that the source of magic
power is is providing an instruction
into the digital and crypto
network space and and powering it with
crypto network network space
such that you've cast the spell
in the future or cast the curse into the
future
when you're long gone that's real magic
right
like casting your curse 30 years after i
died that's
depressive magic less but less
interesting and more practical
is i just want to cast a spell while i'm
alive
and then the magic spell i would cast
where i am magician
is i'd go to that park in naples and i
would wave my hand
and it would become a beautiful paradise
with gorgeous trees
and nice grass and water flowing and
clearliness
and safety and free ice cream cones for
the kids
and flowers and happy music
and concerts on the green and it would
be like that
forever because that's my magic
and and by the way in in fantasy
the great magicians the the the demigods
right the powerful wizards
they have magic power they can do that
and the more powerful they are
the longer the spell lacks so if i have
a million dollars i can do it for a year
if i have a hundred million dollars i
can do it forever
if i have a billion dollars i can
allocate ten percent of my power
to do it there forever
magic power right where money is power
right you got enough money you can snap
your fingers materialize a jet it'll fly
you to tokyo
on 10 hours notice it'll cost you about
250 000
if if that's how you want to expend your
energy if you have enough energy it
doesn't matter if you don't have 250 000
right the other part in those in those
magic
stories is the mere mortal
that wants that same that same trip
their life force is sucked out of them
and they are aged 82 years and they die
right if i take a middle-class person
making 72 000
a year and they need to fly from new
york
to tokyo for 250 000 right
that's all the savings they're ever
going to have i just sucked their life
force
out of them to cast that spell and so
so how much power do you have and how
much magic can you bring to bear
look john d rockefeller had magic he
just did it the old-fashioned way he
went everywhere
and his son did johnny rockefeller jr
they went to
to um all the beautiful places on their
on earth they bought them all up
and then they ended up turning them into
national parks
you know the us virgin islands is a
rockefeller port
saint john they bought acadia
they bought a lot of mountain desert
island made it a national park
grand tetons they bought all that land
made it a national park
most of the land up and down the hudson
river then between they and jp morgan
they bought it made it state park
they're casting spells and he turned it
over
turned it over to the governmental
organization which was the best
method he had at the time based on
technology right
they gave it to the longest lived
sovereign
power right they did the best they could
do
right and you know they played the the
cards that were dealt them
those were the cards they were they had
gold they had state governments
they very most of the trust state and
federal trust
that law was written by lawyers paid for
by rockefeller
right so so they created the political
system
i mean i mean you think 501c3 law just
came out of nowhere i mean
on all of these laws they're cr they're
created
john d rockefeller's son married
abby aldridge and abby aldrich
who became abby rockefeller the richest
woman in the world at the time
was this was the daughter of i think
nelson aldridge and nelson aldridge
was the head of the senate banking
committee right
happened to be key in the creation of
the federal reserve but he was one of
the most powerful men in the country
for quite a long time and so
there was a there was an example where
they were working to influence the
political system and
you know and critics say they influence
it to the detriment of people but
you can also see many ways they
influence it to the to the benefit of
people
you know if you've ever enjoyed a
national park half of them were
endowed by guys like rockefeller
right interesting angle yeah so aldrich
aldrich of the aldrich plan
that failed right before the federal
reserve act right
yeah he was from you know all the way
through
19 i don't know 20 or something for 30
years he was adopted
from the center from rhode island right
we could pull the exact stats
so i think that that in a nutshell is um
my views on crypto i think
ultimately we're moving into an exciting
world where people are going to be able
to achieve
great things with a variety
of digital networks and crypto networks
what we can see right now for sure
is there is at least one
successful crypto network bitcoin
there are many successful dominant
digital networks
youtube right google
facebook amazon apple etc
plenty of them and um
and the future is going to be defined by
these networks and
you just got to decide what's the best
tool for the problem
you can solve problems with people
i can pick up the phone i can call you
and say robert buy me a hundred million
dollars worth of bitcoin
and i solve the problem with a person
or i can solve the problem with a
digital network i can go online on
binance
and i can like start typing and trading
and i can buy a hundred million worth of
bitcoin
or i didn't solve the problem with
uniswap
with a decentralized total crypto
network
what will happen we will the market will
determine
what we know is that over time what was
done by people
will start to be done by digital
networks and what was done by digital
networks
may in fact float into crypto networks
to the extent that uh sovereign
immortality
is worth the trouble and if you're gonna
make a crypto network
if people are if they're just doing it
for regulatory arbitrage it's probably
got a 10 year life span and it's shaky
because who's gonna lay down in front of
a tank
for something like the difference
between finance and uniswap
would you sacrifice your life to trade
on uniswap
instead of binance because i wouldn't
let me tell you what they'll lay down on
a tank for
they'll lay down in front of a tank for
freedom for their religious values
for the future of their family for the
for the future of their ideology
you know if they have a passionate
belief they will lay down in front of a
tank in order to defend
the principles of science and justice
and humanity
and truth not everybody
but you don't need everybody you need
the keepers of the flame
you need to maximize the one percent
who are willing to fight and die for the
principles
we hold these truths to be self-evident
we didn't come up with it here today in
this call
it was a basic truth that that founded a
lot of things including
the united states of america and
if you go back to the roman republic
you'll find there were a lot of romans
when the roman republic was healthy and
they were willing to fight
and to die for roman principles
to a certain extent a lot of good romans
assassinated julius caesar because they
thought they were fighting for roman
principles
and a lot of wars were fought over it
so if you really want a crypto to be
successful over 100 years
it's not the technology is only part of
it
right it's it's the ideology paired with
the technology
and you're going to have to have an
ideology that is so pure
and so straightforward that people will
fight to the death
to defend the ideology and that's why
i'm probably not going to sacrifice my
life for the third
for the 13th iteration on smart
contracts
just it's not it's not that important on
the other hand
if you tell me that we're about to suck
all of the economic energy
out of the civilization and plunge
and plunge ourselves into the dark ages
that i think i'll fight for
that's worth fighting for
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all right guys that was episode 8 and
man just another big deep dive into
bitcoin and its implications
um globally really so we started the
episode out talking about
the divinity of engineering um and
as sailor mentions which is the the
mascot from mit
um the the beaver right the the reason
the beaver is the mascot
of the this engineering focused school
mit is because the beaver is uh
really special right he actually goes
into nature
and harvests harvest materials and
re-sculpts um uh the flow of rivers
frankly by damming it and
and using his his wits and ability to
build habitable structure for himself
and
uh his family when he goes to reproduce
so the beaver ends up being this symbol
for
this divine quality that really life has
which is engineering
um it just this divine quality of
engineering has found its highest
expression in man
right we have uh at least so far as we
know we're the animal most
capable of harnessing this quality that
um
the ancients would call the logos right
which is its ability
to confront the chaos of nature dissect
it with
uh the categorical capabilities of our
mind and our words
uh communicate about its properties and
qualities to learn
uh about about nature and basically
convert
this unexplored territory up into
explored territory
and convert chaos into good and
habitable order and this is a really
deep and ancient
idea but it's something fundamental to
life and to humans
and you know
civilization itself we can think of is
just a bubble
of this habitable order uh amid the
unlivable entropy of the universe
right you can and you can see this um
even in like where i'm from the the
south southeast united states
there were areas in say mississippi that
were just not habitable whatsoever
before prior to the invention of the air
conditioner so
uh that's maybe one extreme example but
there were literally places
geographic locations on earth that we
simply could not live until we became
sufficiently
advanced technologically and say there
was a great great quote on this
he says quote humans are divine when
they engineer a better habitat for
themselves
and those they love through their
intellect unquote
so again this to me points back to
work right which which bitcoin as we've
discussed
it's money rooted in proof of work as
gold was
um and work itself is a noble pursuit
right it is the
the means by which we convert chaos into
good and useful order
and i would argue that it elevates our
timelessness
right it's actually giving us allowing
us to accomplish greater results with
less efforts
in terms of making productivity gains
it's also lowering our time preference
so
making us more long-term oriented
and in this process we develop more
morality
more selflessness even and we also
become we develop greater survivability
right as a species so when things
you know the entropy of nature
inevitably creeps in
uh we have the ability to respond to it
right if there's
there's a natural disaster or um
something of that sort we can harness
resources from other pockets of
civilization
and channel them into the affected areas
such as they can recuperate
so i thought that was a just really
interesting topic
um and it points towards
the the instrumentality of bitcoin in
helping
us better focus on this divine quality
right
bitcoin really is money purpose built
for
uh entrepreneurial experimentation
which involves you know engineering and
problem solving
whereas you could look at something like
fiat currency
much more based on bureaucratic theft
right that we're talking about
individuals and organizations that add
no value to the productive economy and
just siphon value
off of those um that do go out in the
world
and engineer so in that sense by
re-enabling and re-energizing
work itself uh we could we could
view bitcoin as a form of divine money
in a way
and then we got into bitcoin as a medium
of exchange
and there's a bit of a uh you know in
2017 during the bitcoin
cash fork wars there's a bit of delusion
related to this word cash in the white
paper where satoshi
called bitcoin originally peer-to-peer
digital cash
and the thought was at least by you know
say the roger vares of the world who who
represented bitcoin cash that
bitcoin needed to be used in day-to-day
transactions
what this is ignorant of actually is the
original meaning of the word cash
which comes from the french word casse
that's c-a-i-s-s-e
which meant moneybox um and this
was used as a term in the 19th century
to indicate
final settlement so it was a bearer
asset money right physical gold physical
silver was said to be cash
and only in the modern age have we sort
of repurposed
this word to mean the government debt
certificates
uh that we trade with today and call
money so
knowing what a genius satoshi was
i am confident he was clear on this
meaning of cash
and did not mean bitcoin needed to be
used
as a day-to-day medium exchange to be to
proliferate
and by the way even if he did it doesn't
matter because the market
selects the purpose and utility of a
tool
so bitcoin is being selected has been
selected by the market as a store of
value
um and that that's the direction we
think it'll keep going
so the magic you know of bitcoin if you
will
is as we've discussed in earlier
episodes this ability to transfer
energy or monetary energy in a lost
minimized way
so you can send energy across time and
space with
with minimal loss essentially and that's
what's important
not the ability or speed uh or low
transaction fee to move it
at a high frequency just doesn't make
any sense so
and you know to sailor's point on that
it's
you'll the bitcoin
network is optimized for survivability
right that's what decentralization is
is that it's a very slow and inefficient
database
but with that slowness and inefficiency
comes maximal redundancy and with that
redundancy comes resistance to
large attacks you know specifically
nation-state level attacks which would
be the most powerful organization in the
world today
and so if you're going to if you needed
a medium for high
frequency transactions you're always
going to get
a million times more economy and
efficiency moving to a centralized
system like paypal venmo apple pay visa
whatever
um because that you know the database
only needs to be updated once
versus bitcoin it has to be replicated
everywhere
and and nowhere you know across all
nodes and miners
so that is that's the trade-off and
we'll get into more of that
shortly but in a nutshell i like the
description so
it uses that bitcoin is a low frequency
medium of exchange
meaning you only need to move it
occasionally maybe never if you custody
it correctly
but it's a high frequency store value
right so every time
you're holding you're using it right so
the people that argue that bitcoin
doesn't have any utility they don't
understand
this economic principle whatsoever
and further to that even if you wanted
if you absolutely wanted to use bitcoin
as a medium exchange
most tax codes in the world today are
hostile to that right they'll actually
trigger capital gains realization at
each transaction so
really suppresses its use as a medium of
exchange
and another way to think about this
it gets a little more complicated but
actually when you're holding something
as a store value
trades are not just with other people
trades are also with ourselves like
infinite slices of our future self so
every time you choose to hold
cash or hold bitcoin or gold uh cash in
its original sense and not
trade it you are basically trading with
your future self
so you are giving away uh the
the opportunity that the cash could have
otherwise been treated for right
whatever its
cash value on the market is it could go
out and buy you
x assets you're you're forgoing
those assets and choosing to hold the
optionality of cash right whereas those
assets may have real yield right they
may have they may be productive assets
you know rent generating real estate or
whatever it may be
whereas um hard money doesn't actually
create a yield
um so you're
actually the most trades you do
in life are not actually with present
others but they are with your future
self right all these infinite slices of
your future self
and um and your every
action or inaction even is a set of
trades with those future slices of
yourself so
um we could look at the actual store
value function
truly being much more important as a
medium of exchange than a
present medium of exchange with present
others um so i think that's just an
interesting way to conceive of money
um and that is it's something
that you're holding on to to
have maximum optionality into the future
and that
holding is a trade with you even though
it's not a trade with others
um and this also dovetailed into you
know why sailor chooses not to
compensate people in bitcoin and why he
thinks it's a bad idea to do so
because again if you're using it
primarily as a store value you may not
sell it
ever or for say at least 100 years by
choosing to compensate people on bitcoin
you're accelerating that tax bill 100
years into the future so that's a really
bad idea
uh you're also increasing the accounting
complexity uh of the business which
would be the payor and the payee
right they both need to mark bitcoin to
market at each point of transaction
uh you'd also be forcing if say you're
compensating your employees with bitcoin
you're forcing them to sell it later
right to actually cover the tax bill
that's generated as a result so that
doesn't make a lot of sense
um and yet in a nutshell as as
sailor said the ethos of bitcoin is
self-responsibility so
you should pay and settle in whatever
the generally accepted medium of
exchange is right the one that the
tax code is not hostile against which
tends to be currency
and then if you have savings you have
excess currency or excess assets
you would as soon it does sweep them
into your savings or your treasury for
long term storage that's the optimal and
intelligent and low complexity strategy
and we got into
a bit about how you know optionality
itself
is freedom right the more options you
have the more free
you are we'd say as um
and this has direct impact on the
stability of society
uh and sailor quoted robert highland
there's a quote an armed society as a
polite society
so to tie that back to bitcoin capital
it's like when people have this option
of capital flight they have this
perpetual option to move their money
across domain across time across
custodian
um and settled finality you know near
nearly instantly
that governments and institutions
and uh you know service providers
they're to tend to be more respectful
because the customer holding the capital
has such a high degree of optionality
and so you can think about this too when
you go to the
amusement park just to name one example
the food and drink cost in an amusement
park tend to be really
high right a soda that you may pay
i don't know three dollars for at your
local convenience store
might be eight or ten dollars in that
amusement park
and it's because the amusement park
amusement park has what's called a
captive audience premium
right you have no other choice you have
no other options
to buy food or drink once you are inside
the bounds of that amusement park
and they can effectively charge you
monopoly style prices
um and if you
look at bitcoin and capital through that
lens it's kind of removing this captive
audience
premium that legacy financial
institutions tended to have or nation
states tended to have
over users and we could say that you
know
if users have the ability to move the
money whenever they want
they don't actually need to it's just
the fact that that option
exists keeps everyone honest keeps
everyone
um listening to one another's
preferences because no one wants
uh you know the capital to move so
i think the point of this is that
a symmetry of options symmetry of
optionality
between see buyer and seller
and stability of the rules and protocols
to which they interact
this is the bedrock of peace this is
what preserves peace
and but when you get asymmetries right
when one group has a lot of optionality
over another
that's when you get predatory treatment
and i would say central banking falls
much more into that model where they get
this
perpetual call option on society
basically that they can
allocate cash into businesses you know
the the shareholder
values being increased dividends are
being paid and if there's ever a shock
to the economy
and the institutions that have deployed
that capital into
risky positions get wiped out well the
central bank just
siphons more value from the productive
economy through printing money and
allocates again so it's a heads island
tells you lose
situation um for central banks over
productive economies so bitcoin is just
eliminating this this captive audience
premium
or asymmetry of optionality if you will
and another
way to think about this too is to get
back into bitcoin is money
we can actually consider the monetary
premium itself on an asset
has its optionality value if you will so
the more
tradeable an asset is the more
a component of its market value is its
expected future exchange
so for instance if ammo
right has a very specific use
it can be put into a gun and fired and
the gun can be used to
kill people or animals or whatever but
in a uh say an environment of ammunition
scarcity people may also be willing to
trade
other goods and services for that
ammunition so that ammunition will start
to trade at a premium
not just for its utility value not that
its utility value has increased a lot
necessarily but that is exchange value
or its optionality value has increased
um and the extreme example of this would
be gold right gold has a
i think we're at almost 12 trillion
dollar market cap for gold
the industrial demand for that is i
think it's around
less than 2 trillion i want to say it's
closer to 1 trillion the rest of that
demand or the rest of that market gap
for gold is reservation demand for gold
as money right because it best fulfilled
the properties of money which made it
maximally exchangeable across space and
time
so and in that lens too we could
say that bitcoin is like the world's
first
pure money it's pure monetary premium
there's not really an industrial use
beneath it
some have argued that actually the the
transaction
network was kind of the original utility
that bootstrapped
its monetary premium premium into
existence maybe you can make that
argument
but uh the point is that it's a
tool of pure optionality because it's
pure monetary premium
where you could look at things that are
less tradable would be a much larger
component of their market value would be
their
use their industrial use value versus
their trading value
so money exists on this gradient is the
point right like
something that's very not tradable very
like say highly non-fungible very
specific
uh you know purple telescopes or
something like weird like that
uh would have it'd be valued just on its
use
mostly just on its use right not on its
expected future exchange value but
something like bitcoin
at the other end of the other end of the
spectrum and money itself
is valued based on its expected future
exchange value
essentially so and um i think it was
naval
so that money is the bubble that never
pops because this
delta between market and industrial use
value
has been called a bubble by some people
um
but what it actually is is underlying
that is the value of the monetary
properties
giving rise to that exchange ability
so that got us into bitcoin as a unit of
account
um and sailor had a great quote on this
he said quote
he expects that quote bitcoin will be
a universal language of economic truth
unquote
and i fully agree um
it is the predictability of the supply
of money
that gives rice rise to its utility and
pricing other goods and services
that's what gold was it had the most
predictable
supply of any monetary metal and that's
why
uh all of the liquidity and market
capitalization
coalesced to gold um
and that's two like we used for that
reason we used to think
actually in ounces of gold even dollars
themselves
represented ounces of gold originally um
because it was another way to think
about is the
time and energy of market actors that
produce every good and service in the
world
this tool money or gold
most closely mapped onto the absolute
scarcity of time and energy so gold was
the supply curve that was closest to the
absolute
immutable uh perfectly scarce supply
curve
if you will of time and energy
and this gave it the ability
to basically generate prices that were
generally the most stable not saying
they were enforced stability but they
were just
tended to be most stable because gold
had the lowest
and most predictable inflation uh which
also meant
prices were most useful in calculation
right they weren't fluctuating wildly
all the time
and they were communicable so we could
we could actually start to just think in
ounces of gold
for goods and services instead of
needing to think and all these countless
exchange ratios you know like how many
chairs a car is worth or whatever it may
have been
so i agree that bitcoin is going to go
that way
um but as far as where it is today
i love this point see they're saying
there's a lot of infighting
in the crypto community about you know
is bitcoin going to be the thing or
ethereum or this or that but it's all
essentially pointless uh because as he
described you know
the crypto asset ecosystem at the time
we recorded was around a 300 billion
dollar pond
sitting next to a 300 trillion dollar
ocean of assets which a lot of them
are just intended to hold value over
time right store value assets so
say gold bonds real estate
all fall into this this ocean and
that's where our energy should be
focused right is actually
uh carving a little spillway
from the ocean into the pond here um
not competing amongst ourselves because
you know frankly as we've covered in
previous episodes
bitcoin is just highly resistant to
disruption as money you know it's not to
say that other crypto assets won't
succeed
in some something orthogonal to money
something that's not
the market for money this technology may
have other use cases there's a lot of
fury out there
but today it's just not proven so
i agree completely that our focus
as educators or ambassadors for bitcoin
needs to be geared towards
those still um
holding and interacting with these other
alternative stores of value so they can
understand
why bitcoin is you know as we described
earlier
essentially possibly the sole store
value asset for the 21st century the
only way you could successfully
transfer value 100 years into the future
with
with lease loss so i agree with that
completely
uh we then jumped into crypto versus
digital
networks and again
crypto network we can think of as a
decentralized consensus
model uh and this is using sailors
nomenclature the the digital network
would be a centralized
consensus right so just sort of one
entity
or or decision decision making body
deciding
and there are different use cases for
the two and there are trade-offs between
them
clearly so crypto network
would be useful for establishing what
sailor calls immortal sovereignty
or anti-fragility which means they are
able to persist
over time right decentralized crypto
networks have a high degree of
survivability
and they impart properties like trust
minimization security and duration
so you don't need to trust the
centralized
decision-making body instead you trust
the
the aggregate self-interest of all
market actors in a decentralized network
um and this is you know clearly this is
gold or this is bitcoin right
these are um it again gold
not it's not built on cryptography per
se
but the inability of producers to create
gold in a lab right basically meant that
the whole world
was decentralized around gold as money
there was no political actor that could
control
it until you know central banks
accumulated a large uh stake in the
supply and started manipulating it
in the gold derivatives market which
we've talked about before
so on the other end of the spectrum from
crypto network is a digital network
which is useful
for uh as opposed to survivability it's
useful
for squeezing efficiency out of a system
right eliminating
redundancy where decentralized network
is going to be fully redundant
right you think about all these nodes
and miners all over the world all
running a copy of bitcoin
and updating all the time so it's a huge
expenditure of energy
to establish redundancy a digital
network is going to just have
one sort of record base that can be
updated
very quickly very low latency very low
redundancy
so the properties that it imparts are
economy performance functionality and
compliance
and to draw back to the you know we say
gold is kind of decentralized money we
could say
fiat is more like a centralized money so
because gold was expensive to move
across space we could introduce
this centralized database on top of it
called fiat currency that let us do
ledger entries really quickly
in gold but uh this so we picked up
all this transactability across space
but we introduced this
attack vector for intermediaries that
actually compromised gold's
store value function all the time so
i thought that was an interesting way to
look at it and you know
the only as we discussed
the only market proven crypto network in
the world today is
non-state digital store value bitcoin
everything else is theoretical
um this is not to say that actually a
digital network
can't evolve into a crypto network so
it's kind of like it reminded me of our
earlier discussion of the steel age
where
newly charted industrial spaces tend to
have monopolists went out in the
beginning
and then those among those monopolists
set standards and then over time that
market becomes commodified
and tends back toward a more freely
competitive domain
based on those standards so it's as if
a
decentral or a sorry digital network
could establish
certain protocol standards for a
decentralized network
and then you know turn over the keys so
to speak to the free market and then
if there was uh sufficient demand for
whatever utility it's providing
it could become decentralized over time
if handled correctly
um we haven't really seen that yet we've
seen some
some attempts at it but i don't think
we've seen it done really cleanly yet
and but this evolution a successful
evolution
from a digital two-way crypto network
would require
sufficient differentiation um
one that would end up being useful as a
competitive advantage essentially in
this this uh
market-driven natural selection process
so it wouldn't
be again i think bitcoin's already run
and won
the race for money so it would have to
be a different market
and would also also have to it's
difficult it's really difficult to
accomplish this differentiation
given bitcoin's capacity to absorb other
competitor feature set
and in the biological sense we call this
horizontal gene transfer
where in brandon quotum has written
talked about this
mycelium has its ability when it
encounters a threat in the environment
if it neutralizes the threat and
consumes it whatever like a competing
mycelium or an insect or whatever it can
actually
digest its genetic code and incorporate
that information into its own genetic
code
so we typically think of animals having
vertical gene transfer right from parent
to offspring
but there's something uh more
competitive in nature this this
horizontal gene transfer
where you can just slurp up genetic
material from competitors and bitcoin
exhibits app
in the digital domain so the point is
that the differentiation necessary
for a digital network to evolve into a
crypto network
would have to overcome this uh this
horizontal gene transfer of bitcoin as
well which would otherwise just absorb
it and render
the um attempted evolution
unnecessary um
so finally we got into this concept
of immortal sovereignty which that was
incredibly interesting
and when you think about this is
channeling one's preferences beyond
one's own life uh this is not a new idea
actually
you know sailor gave this sort of
general example if he wanted to buy
flowers
for everyone in his family for the next
100 years on that birthday how would he
accomplish that
um and he drew on examples from from
john d rockefeller
and he said you know rockefeller would
have established
using the tech of his time this
quote-unquote immortal sovereignty
by either establishing a non-profit
foundation an endowment a university or
possibly even a national state park
and but this necessitated really big
numbers
and was limited to just a few you know
ultra rich people that could do it
um and again these are uh you know
rockefeller was alive i guess almost 100
years ago now
you're talking about 100 million in
assets and 5 million a year operating
budget
in 1920 so
big big numbers were necessary to
achieve
this uh moral sovereignty that bitcoin
delivers to us in a much much more cost
effective way today
and then additionally no matter what you
set up foundation endowment university
you would still suffer uh this
counterparty risk
because you'd have to trust the
institution you have to trust the
government protecting the institution
um but bitcoin gives us an interesting
thing which is
a monetary layer that enables us to
de-materialize
these institutions but still achieve
something similar this is this immortal
sovereignty if you will
and it does this because it gives you
can actually assign
the trustees you know let's say a
multi-sig setup
keys to the funds to accomplish the aims
of the
the i guess you'd call the digital
foundation
but they would have because
they wouldn't their property rights
wouldn't be
exposed to counterparty risk right in
the form of the institution or the
government
they actually get gain a great deal of
dynamism
to roll with
or get through geopolitical changes such
that they could preserve
the original mission of that institution
so you can think of it as a mortal
sovereignty of just a much lower cost
which i think speaks to the grander
vision of bitcoin right it's like what
are
why do we have these stories like the
nation state
and and universities organizing us
and what is possible when we
instead maximize the sovereignty of the
individual like how
how relevant do those institutions
remain
and you know the other example he gave
is like if you wanted to host your
website reading material for a thousand
years into the future
you could code all kinds of interesting
rules around that like maybe
requiring people to pass a test and
become a certified
um certified student of your knowledge
and then maybe they gain a voting right
to choose the next trustee of the
institution
and it becomes this kind of dynamic
digital
autonomous democratic organization that
just rolls forward in time
so it gets really you know it's really
wild when you imagine the possibilities
and it points towards
all the new institutional possibilities
enabled by bitcoin
um which my opinion calls into question
the structure and the purpose of the
firm today
so bitcoin gives us
this monetary layer capable of
de-materializing
uh these institutions we've needed in
the past
for sovereignty right to to establish
let's say they're called immortal
sovereignty and
it does it in a way that empowers the
trustees of these organizations
to be self-sovereign so that they can
actually resist
geopolitical sea changes and adapt to uh
changing political climates over time
whereas historically
you would have needed to trust that
institution itself and should it
be invaded um you know say in war war
time or broken down
due to a a civil dispute within the
country then you would have lost
uh the sovereignty that you um would
have vested
uh trust in the the the state park or or
whatever
the will you were trying to project
beyond your life it would have been
its fate would have been vested with the
survivability and sovereignty of that
institution
so bitcoin by being a
monetary base layer that maximizes the
sovereignty of individuals
and being optimized for survivability
actually gives us a whole new way of
establishing
uh this immortal sovereignty across time
another way to think about that is you
know bitcoin is
collapsing the cost of money right it's
collapsing transaction costs it's
collapsing
the cost of satisfying the functions of
the central bank
and it also just collapses this cost of
immoral sovereignty
which again you know the rockefellers
needed
100 million dollars in assets and a 5
million annual operating budget to
achieve uh to establish the rockefeller
foundation now you can do that
in theory at least with just a much
smaller bitcoin stash and some software
and some some really long-term strategic
thinking
i like the analogy too that
sailor used if you wanted to say host
your website reading materials for a
course of a thousand years
you could actually chop up the keys to
that institution the endowment the
bitcoin endowment for that institution
give it to five trustees um encode a set
of rules such that people have to read
your materials and pass a test to maybe
gain a voting right so that they get to
decide who replaces
each the succession to each trustee
um and in that way the thing kind of
becomes this decentralized autonomous
organization over time
that just preserves your will and
testament which was to have this body of
knowledge
go into the future for the benefit of
humanity so i thought that was really
cool and
points towards uh just the new
possibilities
that bitcoin brings into the world
um and that
it not only causes us to question
the purpose of the firm itself and other
other organizational models we use
but it's also kind of like creating
something that's truly timeless
and this is what i thought sailor what
he called these quote
uh creating monuments in cyberspace
unquote i thought that was a really cool
way to look at it
is that by gaining immoral sovereignty
through
bitcoin-enabled institutions we can
actually create things
uh that well outlive us
yet still um are
shaped and influenced by our our living
will and testament beyond our own life
so i thought that was really cool
and finally we got into a topic we
touched on earlier which was
that money is power and we combined it
with another topic that we touched on
previously is that
sufficiently advanced technology is
magic
so by combining these two concepts
we say that a sufficiently advanced
monetary technology
is magical power effectively
and it lets its users cast spells or
cast
curses um and one of you know
on the spell side we went into this park
in naples
that necessarily described as surrounded
by wealth
but for whatever reason was not
receiving an adequate allocation of that
wealth
to preserve uh the park and keep it
pristine
so again to establish an immortal
sovereignty historically like the
rockefellers they had to go out and buy
up this land
and basically turn it into national
parks because they were they were then
vesting their will and testament with
the longest lived
sovereign power of the time which was
the nation state
uh to see that it would to maximize the
chances
of preserving um their intention across
time
whereas and the point there was even
more interesting is that the 501c3
non-profit foundation laws are actually
written by rockefeller's attorneys
so again this shows the relationship
between money and government you know
people the common misconception is that
government is the originator of money
but what is in fact true
is that money is the originator of
government um
the that wealth itself
tends to shape the laws around it that
determine
it's its management preservation and
distribution over time
so i thought that was a great point to
touch on and then on the other side
where we talk about casting a curse
we didn't talk a lot about this but just
thinking out loud if you had a
an organization like anonymous which is
this
anonymous set of computer hackers
distributed all over the world
you could in theory funded them in
perpetuity right with a bitcoin
based smart contract enabled endowment
um that would effectively fund uh
their their hacking attempts or or
attempts to
say dissolve the power structures of
government or
or um to remedy any government
mistreatment of
civilians things like that so it could
be used
in both a a defensive way
right say to defend the park in naples
but could also be used offensively to
attack
uh hostile organizations like like
national government
so and that just all
it's just an incredible way to think
about how many
ways bitcoin not only shapes and
influences our wills and
our willpower and intention you know by
lowering our time preference and
elevating our morality
but also gives us this medium through
which to project it over
much longer time
and space horizons so it really is one
of those tools that's just radically
reshaping who we are
and uh in that sense you'd kind of
consider it
you know we talked we touched on the
religious aspects of bitcoin but even if
you just stripped that out and said it's
just an ideology
it isn't it is perhaps one of the most
pure and principled ideologies
there's ever been right it's just if you
respect
you know fairness equality natural law
thermal dynamics mathematics
um you know freedom that's what bitcoin
positively embodies essentially and
this is such a pure and pristine
ideology
is something people find
worth fighting and even dying for
so it does have these qualities again of
of a religion or of its own independent
nation state if you will
again it's just challenging all of our
language even to describe what it is so
although we focus on its its monetary
properties and exploring it
as money you know by asking this
question what is money
i think we come to see bitcoin is even
much more than that or perhaps even
seeing money is much more than that
money is foundational
it's like the base operating system to
all these higher order
operating systems we have like uh you
know the nation state and religious
institutions and et cetera et cetera
so as i said once before you know
bitcoin people come to bitcoin for the
profits
i think almost everyone's drawn in by
number go up
but i think the people that really come
and stay and find
roots in bitcoin and purpose and meaning
in devoting their lives to this space
um they stay for the principles
you know so it's bitcoin come for the
profits stay for the principles
um so that was it that was episode 8
guys i hope you enjoyed that one
uh this has just been a dynamite series
so far we've got at least one episode
left
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