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Bitcoin and Immortal Sovereignty | The Saylor Series | Episode 8 (WiM008)

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they're dominating because they're able

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deliver force faster

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harder stronger smarter

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so if we ask the question what is money

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money is the highest form of energy that

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human beings can channel

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bitcoin is channeling human ingenuity

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into making it better and and

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every commodity is channeling human

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energy

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into making it worse the lowbrow or the

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the the historic colloquial term

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is total right hold on for dear life or

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just total

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or save whatever and the highbrow term

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would be

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adopt as a treasury reserve essay

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[Music]

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hey guys so as you learned uh by

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watching the what is money show

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bitcoin is the single most important

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asset you can own in the world today

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and so this begs the question which i'm

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often asked how does one build

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their bitcoin position and the strategy

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really is simple

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portfolio percentage allocation

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and target portfolio percentage

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all right thanks

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hey guys welcome back to episode 8

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of the sailor series here on the what is

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money show

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today we're going to talk about a number

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of interesting concepts getting

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even deeper into bitcoin theory and how

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has effects on the future of humanity

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so if you haven't seen episodes one

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through seven i highly recommend you

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check those out

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um a lot of the material uh we built

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upon there

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it just uh is compounding as we get

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deeper into uh bitcoin theory

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so today we're gonna talk about a number

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of things uh firstly

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is the divinity of engineering actually

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and how

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uh this creative impulse is sort of what

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defines

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uh defines man and fulfills man

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we're also going to look at bitcoin as a

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medium of exchange

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um and talk about why sailor thinks it's

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actually a low frequency medium exchange

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and a high frequency store value

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uh we'll also learn why it's pretty bad

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idea to compensate people in bitcoin uh

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turns out

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tax codes are pretty hostile to that at

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the current time

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um we'll also look at another monetary

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function of bitcoin and that's as a unit

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of account

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um we're going to look at bitcoin 2 in a

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macro context

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how it sits as an asset class adjacent

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to other asset classes

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we're also going to do a deep dive into

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crypto versus

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digital networks this is a delineation

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that sailor makes to distinguish

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uh decentralized crypto networks versus

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say centralized digital networks and

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we'll talk about the trade-offs between

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the two

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um then we're going to get into the

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really interesting topic of immortal

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sovereignty

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which is something that crypto networks

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enable

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and actually allow us to project our

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preferences beyond our own life

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so i think that's a really interesting

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part of the conversation

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and finally we're going to get into

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we're going to revisit actually money is

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power

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we're going to talk about advanced

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technology as

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magic and we're going to see what the

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two of those look like when they come

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together

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and then finally um we'll discuss

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bitcoin

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as a pure and principled ideology um

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which is something somewhat unique in

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the modern age

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so there's another big episode uh i hope

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you guys have seen one through seven if

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not again go check those out now

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and with that let's jump in gonna bring

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up one more point on the religious

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aspect of bitcoin

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that i've thought about and my religious

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tradition too was southern baptist i was

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raised southern baptist so i have

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uh judeo-christian i guess underpinning

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in my thought

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but there's the ancient idea in in

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genesis

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was that god was the the force

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that confronts chaos with

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courage truth love and converts that

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chaos

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into good and habitable order

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so when we look at that kind of like

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through a thermodynamic

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lens we know the whole universe is

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everywhere and always

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trending towards increasing chaos and

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entropy

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and that the only thing that works

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against that

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thermodynamic arrow of time is life

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actually life

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converts entropy into order

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right so in a way we could say that

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life or even the maybe the the god

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aspect of life is the anti-antropic

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principle

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that propagates through all of life and

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i can't help but relate that and see

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bitcoin

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in that lens too where we do have this

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system

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that's actually reaching deeper into

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chaos

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than anything else right like like the

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the shaw 256 mining algorithm is

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quite literally finding a single atom in

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an entire universe

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right that that is the the the

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mining race if you will is identifying a

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single atom in the universe

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and with that reach into chaos it is

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forging the most profound order we've

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ever had right it's you can't argue

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with the bitcoin blockchain it's just

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whoever has those ut exos has them

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so it seems to me like there is

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something very

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pro a profound connection between truth

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and this principle of converting

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chaos into order um and then the the

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quote that took that home for me with

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gk chesterton was a dead thing

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can go with the stream only a living

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thing

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can swim against it so there's something

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like bitcoin again in that sense is

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quite literally alive bitcoin and

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beavers

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the beaver the beavers engineering the

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stream that created dam

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human beings are engineering systems

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bitcoin is an

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engineered monetary energy system it's

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the first

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it's the first well engineered monetary

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system

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that we built and uh

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human beings through their intellect

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channel that energy and

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within within the system we

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extract order and we have a very

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efficient structure

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and the price we pay is some disorder

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outside of our

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system so some energy dispos

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dissipation but i'm not terribly

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concerned with that

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the the universe has got more energy

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than it needs

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right and just dipping our fingers into

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with a million gazillion o's after it

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one percent right right and so

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it can it can spare a little bit of

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energy and when we

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when we create something beautiful be it

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a railroad

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or bitcoin network or a

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social network or the like right we

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we find a way to do something millions

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of times

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faster smarter stronger than before

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and that drives for the human race and

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this is not it's not the only great

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achievement of the human race it just

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happens to be

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the most interesting achievement of the

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human race

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would you say that's the struggle then

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as we're sort of pushing back

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entropy that's what civilization is

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right we're creating more a larger

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bubble of order

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within the the universal bubble of

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entropy

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i i would say

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the highest calling of man is to extract

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order from the chaos

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and you could also say

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you know humans are divine when they

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engineer

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a better habitat for themself and those

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that they love

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through their intellect the human the

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human that bridges

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the bridges the chasm

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the human that constructs right the

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the city the human that creates

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the machine right and that's been going

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on for human history that's the most

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honorable you know an admirable thing

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that human beings can do

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and if we didn't do it you know we'd be

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running around naked on the planes being

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chased by wolves and probably eaten

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by wolves and that's that

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so so to engineer his divine

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look at a problem engineer a solution

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that's why we respect the engineers

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you want to talk about bitcoin as a

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medium of exchange

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let's do it um

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you know a lot of people they focus upon

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the white paper and

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you know we debate it out of an item and

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i i've

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i think that everybody that um

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we agree with notes that peer-to-peer

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cash means a settlement network

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for a bearer instrument and

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and it's important that in that regard

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you be able to exchange assets

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it's in my opinion utterly

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unimportant that you be able to engage

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in high frequency

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small transactions on the bitcoin

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network

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and um i think that it's uh

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it's dysfunctional to pursue that vision

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i think the roger beer is just wrong

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in this regard i mean it was a nice idea

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rajavir thinks

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the magic in bitcoin is to be able to

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pay for coffee

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with your phone but and that's it's a

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tragic

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error of of insight that was not the

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magic of bitcoin

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then and it isn't now the magic of

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bitcoin is being able to

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catapult energy 100 years in the future

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and not lose the energy

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and then the the other magics are the

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magics that come from right then

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wrapping

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the bitcoin with software to make it

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smarter

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faster and stronger that's the magic the

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ability to do a a

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minor transaction it's it's trivially

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inconsequential number one only one to

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two percent of your wealth needs to be

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in these high frequency transactions so

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a logical thing for anybody is just to

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keep one two three percent of their

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wealth and fiat

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and then operate it on the paypal

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network or the visa network

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or the apple pay network or some

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centralized network

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i think safadeen's already made the

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point a proof of work network is a

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billion times

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less efficient or a trillion times less

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efficient

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than the centralized version so you're

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going to get a billion

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times more speed and a billion times

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more economy

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by running the one percent of your life

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uh on a centralized network and if you

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didn't

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if you didn't need to move it to as a

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off chain

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right off chain can be nut i don't think

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it's another crypto i just think off

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chain is just a centralized network

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you might just put it on square or apple

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because nobody cares whether they go to

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business in a year or two years or five

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years

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and the fact that if you're if you're in

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a country

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the fact that uh that uh

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those transactions are being monitored

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just means that well one percent of your

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transactions

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one percent of the value of your

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transaction will be monitored

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if you want to do something illicit you

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would do it

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0.01 percent of the time on the bitcoin

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network

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so you know that the the one time in

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your life when you need to flee

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uh iraq or syria as a refugee and that's

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when you need to do your

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your on-chain transaction well then you

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use bitcoin and you can wait 30 minutes

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you'll probably be okay

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right by definition if you move a

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billion dollars

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once it's a billion times more valuable

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than moving one dollar once

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and so the the use case of moving a

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billion dollars back and forth

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is valuable and you can pay high

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transaction fees

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and the use case of moving one two three

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five or ten dollars or fifty or a

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hundred dollars

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is not valuable because it's it falls

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exponentially or at least linearly

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with the amount of money being moved now

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there's some other reasons why

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bitcoin doesn't make sense as a medium

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of exchange right now

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um and maybe never i i tend to think

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never i think what's going to happen is

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well we can debate semantics and what

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does medium exchange mean but

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i think bitcoin is a high frequency

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store of value

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low frequency settlement network

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or or low frequency medium of exchange

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once a month

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is more than enough once a year maybe

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enough

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once in a lifetime might be enough if

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the rest of the ecosystem develops

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there'll be a point at which there's a

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crypto bank and robert breedlove has

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200 bitcoin in an account and he puts

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points

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the bank toward the bitcoin and the

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bitcoins worth a million dollars of

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bitcoin

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and uh the bank will forward you fiat

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on credit and good rates to do whatever

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you want your entire life the bitcoin

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will never move

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and then and the bank will do whatever

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and if the bank fails

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what do you care the bank fail not you

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doesn't matter you've got one percent

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i mean you've got nothing at risk they

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actually took all the risk

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so you don't need to do things with high

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frequency

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to great value other than protect the

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money

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now there are some accounting and

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systems and tax reasons why it doesn't

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make sense

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as a medium of exchange uh the obvious

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thing is

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every time you actually take revenue in

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bitcoin

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it would be a taxable event you would

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well you would mark the bitcoin so

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if you paid me in bitcoin while bitcoin

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is trading 10

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500 i have to market if you paid me 27

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in bitcoin i have a ledger entry 27

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of bitcoin in a 10 dollar basis

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if your friend bought another thirty two

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dollar book i have another ledger entry

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i would if i sold a million things in

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bitcoin i'd have a million ledger

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entries with a million different basis

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prices

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and then if i paid you a salary in

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bitcoin

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i would then have to figure out whether

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capital gain on it

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and then i have to pay the tax so if

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if i have a hundred million in bitcoin

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and then next year i pay a hundred

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million in expensive with bitcoin

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and bitcoin went up by a factor of two i

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would actually generate 100 million

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dollars in capital gains and i would owe

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20 or 30 million dollars to the

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to the federal government within 12

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months

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for the privilege of using bitcoin which

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runs a billion times slower

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than apple pay so how many ways is this

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awful

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well first of all it takes a decade to

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get your accounting systems to work

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it's it's worthwhile to note like how

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how does a global multinational work

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i have 27 subsidiaries in 27 countries i

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do business in about 10 different

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15 different currencies u.s euro but

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yen pesos rial mexican peso argentine

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you know you name it we got lots of

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currencies

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by law we do that by law we pay all the

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medical bills in those currencies all

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the insurance all the vendor

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relationship took 10 years

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takes 10 years to set up a global

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multinational from start to finish

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probably takes five years to get all

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your accounting system to work right

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i it's 20 30 40 million dollars

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to get it all working right

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if i buy 500 million in bitcoin i put it

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in the treasury

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i stare at it i never do another

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transaction hopefully for the not decade

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until we are in an insolvency event

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we're not moving it right why would we

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the truth is

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like we want to put it in the vault and

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throw away the key

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like like i would i would say to

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anybody i don't want to be able to move

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it i just want it to sit there

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i'm going to wait for it to appreciate

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we sell stuff in in juan and yen and

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euro and dollar

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and we put that onto our accounts we

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sweep all the dollars into one

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maybe one currency dollar we sweep all

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the fiat into one thing dollar

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we balance and if we need to shuffle

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some stuff around and working capital

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accounts we

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we put it back if we don't need it for

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working capital we sweep it into the

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treasury

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if it's in the treasury we convert it to

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the treasury reserve asset bitcoin it

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goes in

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never comes out

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you know what you know a vendor once

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they send me a bill i pay them in a

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local

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currency no vendor's going to bill me in

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bitcoin

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by the way people say i've heard this

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well don't your employees want to get

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paid in bitcoin

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well the answer is no they don't but

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let's say the answer was yes let's say

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all of them were bitcoin maximalists

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exactly how much bitcoin are they going

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to get paid in they have mortgages

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they have bills so the answer is we pay

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them in the local currency

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and if they want to buy bitcoin or if

0:20:08

they want bitcoin they buy it

0:20:10

right and and and by the way

0:20:14

why would it be an awful mistake to pay

0:20:17

them a bitcoin

0:20:18

because we would accelerate the tax bill

0:20:21

by 20 by 100 years

0:20:23

right and as and by as bitcoin is

0:20:27

volatile we will generate

0:20:29

all sorts of tax obligations right

0:20:32

the second thing is we would increase

0:20:34

our accounting complexity by an order of

0:20:36

magnitude

0:20:37

right and the third is by the way the

0:20:39

third is

0:20:40

ever our employees will then have to

0:20:42

sell the bitcoin

0:20:44

and generate their own taxable

0:20:46

accounting complexity

0:20:48

in order to get cash to pay their

0:20:50

mortgage

0:20:52

and pay for their kids school or

0:20:53

whatever they're doing right so

0:20:55

you're creating lots of complexity here

0:21:00

if if i got 000 employees and 200 of

0:21:02

them want to own bitcoin then i pay all

0:21:04

000 and euros and dollars and pesos and

0:21:07

yen and one

0:21:08

and they go in their local exchange and

0:21:10

they buy the bitcoin and they hold

0:21:11

it because like do i want to hold it

0:21:13

right

0:21:15

it's all you know so the point is uh

0:21:18

when you're running uh a company with

0:21:21

bitcoin as an operating system the

0:21:23

logical thing to do

0:21:25

is you just sweep your fiat into your

0:21:28

treasury convert your treasury into

0:21:30

bitcoin let it sit there and then let

0:21:32

every

0:21:33

if a vendor wants to get paid in bitcoin

0:21:36

i pay them in dollars they buy bitcoin

0:21:38

everybody wants to get paid in bitcoin i

0:21:40

pay them in dollars they buy

0:21:41

the bitcoin the whole ethos of bitcoin

0:21:44

by the way is take responsibility for

0:21:46

yourself

0:21:47

right don't treat adults like

0:21:51

children and so for it's it's

0:21:53

patronizing in a way for me to say well

0:21:55

robert you work for me but i'm gonna

0:21:57

help you by

0:21:58

paying you in bitcoin it's like you know

0:22:00

you're a smart enough person

0:22:01

you want to buy bitcoin with it here's

0:22:04

the money

0:22:05

buy bitcoin with it how about it right

0:22:07

what you do the money

0:22:09

is has a constant value at the time i

0:22:12

transferred it from me to you

0:22:15

and the thing that really cripples

0:22:18

a cryptocurrency uh and a thing like

0:22:22

bitcoin as a medium of exchange

0:22:26

is the um the tax treatment that

0:22:29

the local regulatory domain takes at the

0:22:31

point that the united states irs decided

0:22:34

that this was going to be taxed as a

0:22:35

capital gain

0:22:37

on the moment of sale it was utterly

0:22:39

impossible it could be a currency

0:22:41

it's just that simple it's done right

0:22:43

for anybody to even maintain it like

0:22:45

the only way you could think that you

0:22:46

could use it as currency if you're going

0:22:47

to run a black market gray market

0:22:49

operation with no accounting

0:22:51

no accountants no lawyers on staffs

0:22:55

and it's like good luck with that right

0:22:57

i mean how many

0:22:59

how many uh discos and bars got shut

0:23:02

for for sales tax

0:23:05

invasion or income tax evasion right

0:23:11

what was it like most of them

0:23:15

yeah small businesses they're

0:23:18

they're eventually going to all want to

0:23:20

follow the regulators and get shut down

0:23:23

so it's just not practical from a

0:23:25

systems point of view

0:23:27

it would take me a decade to rewire the

0:23:28

systems it's not practical from a

0:23:31

complexity point of view

0:23:32

you just made your accounting a hundred

0:23:34

times as complex

0:23:35

and it's not practical from a tax point

0:23:37

of view you just triple

0:23:38

tax rate and it's not practical from you

0:23:42

a whatever employer point of view

0:23:43

because it's making everybody else's

0:23:44

life more complicated too so

0:23:46

so that's why i think the bitcoin really

0:23:48

isn't a medium

0:23:50

exchange as much as it is just a low

0:23:52

frequency

0:23:54

settlement network i'll make one more

0:23:56

point this is like a via negativa

0:23:59

um the fact that you could settle

0:24:02

peer-to-peer

0:24:04

means that you might not have to for a

0:24:05

hundred years

0:24:11

right the fact that you know i say to

0:24:12

robert you do as i say or else if you

0:24:15

have the ability

0:24:17

to leave the country and and depart with

0:24:20

all of your wealth

0:24:22

and i know you have the ability

0:24:29

right it's like robert heinlein has a

0:24:29

phrase

0:24:29

an armed society is a polite society

0:24:39

yeah it's like if you know

0:24:39

i i live in miami beach sometimes i run

0:24:41

around and people have guns in miami

0:24:44

and uh you can carry a concealed curry

0:24:46

permanent right

0:24:48

uh uh uh a young

0:24:55

a young uh debbie taunt that looks

0:24:55

harmless

0:24:56

could be walking around with a gun in

0:24:57

her purse

0:24:59

and you think twice when it's two in the

0:25:01

morning and you're in a bar and

0:25:02

everybody's drunk before your

0:25:04

pushy or root right and then you think

0:25:06

maybe i shouldn't be in a bar at two in

0:25:08

the morning when people are drunk

0:25:09

and maybe and then you think maybe i

0:25:11

shouldn't mouth off to someone that just

0:25:13

cut me off on the highway

0:25:15

somebody pulls over and they shoot you

0:25:22

i just ought to be very polite to

0:25:22

everybody walking down the street

0:25:24

because

0:25:24

every single person could have a gun

0:25:28

concealed on their person and maybe i'll

0:25:32

i'll be nice to people today it's it's a

0:25:35

deterrent right

0:25:36

and so the ability to cash settle or the

0:25:39

ability to settle

0:25:40

and exchange that's the turn because the

0:25:43

fact that i know you could

0:25:45

means that i'm going to treat you with

0:25:47

respect right

0:25:49

i knew you couldn't if i thought that

0:25:51

you were trapped if

0:25:53

you were stuck in my monopoly and i had

0:25:55

a i had total power over you

0:25:57

then i start to take you for granted and

0:25:59

then i start to abuse that power because

0:26:01

as lord acton said right absolute power

0:26:04

corrupts

0:26:05

absolutely right

0:26:08

so the power to do a thing is more

0:26:11

important than the doing of the thing

0:26:13

and that's what that's what the bitcoin

0:26:16

cash guys they miss

0:26:18

they miss the fact that if i can

0:26:21

move all the money when i need to

0:26:25

then i won't need to and so yeah

0:26:28

i need to be able to move it so it'll

0:26:30

hold 100 trillion in value

0:26:32

but no i don't need to move it now

0:26:35

and maybe i don't need to move it more

0:26:37

than once ever just to make an example

0:26:40

it's like nuclear deterrence once

0:26:44

maybe i used it twice i haven't used it

0:26:47

since but do you think that doesn't

0:26:51

you yeah it's not effective you think it

0:26:53

doesn't matter

0:26:55

i think i think it's a great point and

0:26:57

this gets back to the difference between

0:27:00

a free market and a monopoly right in a

0:27:03

free market you know

0:27:05

that your customers have options right

0:27:07

they can

0:27:08

go to other providers they could settle

0:27:11

elsewhere they can move their capital

0:27:13

and because they have that optionality

0:27:16

you as the producer provider

0:27:18

are accountable to their preferences you

0:27:20

have to listen to the customer right you

0:27:22

have to listen to their wishes and

0:27:23

desires and

0:27:24

make sure you're satisfying your wants

0:27:26

whereas on the other end of that

0:27:27

spectrum is the monopolist

0:27:29

to your point he just doesn't care about

0:27:31

the preferences of his customer because

0:27:32

his customers have no choice

0:27:34

they're stuck in his little fifedom and

0:27:37

that is that's what i mean is the

0:27:41

difference between

0:27:42

an economic democracy and an economic

0:27:45

dictatorship

0:27:47

so this the the fact that bitcoin is is

0:27:49

totally

0:27:50

movable anywhere anytime and you can't i

0:27:53

guess put the gate around it

0:27:55

and monopolize it is what makes it such

0:27:57

a game changer

0:27:58

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0:28:00

just because you can do a thing doesn't

0:28:03

mean you should do a thing

0:28:05

that's basic stoic philosophy

0:28:09

and there's the line that comes in the

0:28:13

movie where

0:28:14

where where is it uh the guy says

0:28:18

the loudest man in the room is the

0:28:21

weakest

0:28:23

american gangster i think that's it

0:28:25

american gangster

0:28:28

right the loudest man in the room is the

0:28:30

weakest man in the room

0:28:33

if you know i can do it

0:28:36

if robert breedlove can teleport

0:28:39

anywhere on earth

0:28:40

anytime with all of his energy and i

0:28:43

can't stop it

0:28:45

that gives you a lot of power i'm going

0:28:48

to give you a lot of respect

0:28:49

but that doesn't mean you want to flit

0:28:51

around back and forth

0:28:52

all right all right wait like a firefly

0:28:56

you know you can do it now do something

0:28:59

constructive

0:29:00

with the knowledge that you can do it

0:29:03

it's quite

0:29:04

confidence and don't get distracted

0:29:08

by shiny objects right fast transaction

0:29:12

rates

0:29:13

low transaction costs they're little

0:29:16

shiny little lures at the end of a hook

0:29:18

that the stupid fish grabs

0:29:22

it doesn't matter it's it's the it's the

0:29:26

what is the word it's the cracker jack

0:29:28

box prize or something like that

0:29:32

uh if you look at the value on earth

0:29:34

there's 250 trillion dollars of value

0:29:37

in assets what's the value

0:29:41

of being able to move money back and

0:29:44

forth to buy coffee

0:29:46

and by the way what's the likelihood

0:29:49

you're going to beat

0:29:50

apple in that race right this is the

0:29:54

picking up pennies in front of a

0:29:55

steamroller type thing right

0:29:57

basically yeah it's just uh

0:30:01

not worth doing and

0:30:04

given the fact that it's a million times

0:30:06

more expensive from a tax point of view

0:30:08

and given the fact it's a billion times

0:30:10

more expensive from a computing power

0:30:12

point of view

0:30:14

the only reason to want to do it is

0:30:16

regulatory arbitrage i.e gray market

0:30:19

black market operation

0:30:22

no not a very profitable pursuit of

0:30:25

human ingenuity

0:30:26

you know it's like right you ask meyer

0:30:29

lansky what'd you learn in all your

0:30:30

years as a gangster he said

0:30:32

it was so hard i realized if i didn't do

0:30:35

it again i just would have gone straight

0:30:42

you know it's a lot easier to make money

0:30:42

just being legitimate

0:30:43

so inventing some kind of technology to

0:30:46

to evade the regulators

0:30:48

explicitly right they they might

0:30:51

let you invent something that will

0:30:54

that will carry energy a hundred years

0:30:56

forward because it seems like something

0:30:58

that legitimate law-abiding citizens

0:31:00

might want to do

0:31:01

they're not gonna let you invent

0:31:03

something that allows you to evade taxes

0:31:06

and so why try so hard it's just not

0:31:08

worth

0:31:09

the trouble i'm reminded of the stories

0:31:12

of like

0:31:13

pablo escobar and he made the billions

0:31:16

of dollars

0:31:16

selling all the drugs and cocaine and

0:31:18

they say at the end of his life

0:31:20

he's sitting on the run and they're

0:31:21

burning hundred dollar bills in order to

0:31:23

stay warm

0:31:31

good good luck with all that money as

0:31:31

energy right

0:31:37

i mean the vignette you know just

0:31:37

sitting

0:31:37

burning stacks of hundred dollar bills

0:31:40

because no one will let you spend it

0:31:44

just it's example just trying too hard

0:31:46

not worth the trouble

0:31:48

so let's talk about unit of measure you

0:31:51

know bitcoin is

0:31:52

as a unit of measure um

0:31:58

i think bitcoin is a universal language

0:31:58

of economic truth

0:31:59

i think that it will evolve as a

0:32:03

as a unit of monetary energy right it

0:32:06

makes sense in that way

0:32:08

before bitcoin uh if you go back 50

0:32:11

years people talked about ounces of gold

0:32:14

so i think a bitcoin will be like an

0:32:16

ounce of gold

0:32:18

like like uh

0:32:27

an immutable non-sovereign

0:32:27

or i guess immutable self-sovereign unit

0:32:30

of economic energy it makes sense to

0:32:32

think of it like that

0:32:33

on the other hand it'll it'll generally

0:32:36

always be

0:32:37

converted into local fiat and the

0:32:40

political domicile in question

0:32:42

for buying and selling things so and

0:32:44

that's okay

0:32:46

i mean there'll be countries that will

0:32:47

have stronger better currencies and

0:32:49

they'll be have countries that'll have

0:32:50

weaker currencies and they'll crash

0:32:52

their currencies and they'll replace

0:32:53

their currencies and

0:32:55

as long as you hold bitcoin in your

0:32:57

account you'll be able to go into a new

0:32:59

country like i mean

0:33:00

i've been to you know i've been to a

0:33:02

country after they crashed their

0:33:04

currency like we've all been to germany

0:33:06

they crashed their currency we bought

0:33:07

the new currency

0:33:09

then when then they got rid of the

0:33:10

market with the euro we bought the euro

0:33:13

so the the right way to think of it as

0:33:17

is as um just this a

0:33:20

standard unit of

0:33:24

economic energy or monetary

0:33:27

energy and not overthink it anything

0:33:30

more than that

0:33:31

it can be interesting to say divide

0:33:33

stock price by

0:33:34

gold ounces or you can you can divide

0:33:37

you know the cost of living by ounces of

0:33:39

gold or buy bitcoin

0:33:41

that's interesting that's okay and but

0:33:44

it may get it'll give you a pretty good

0:33:46

um read on inflation

0:33:48

if one bitcoin buys you a car

0:33:52

in the u.s but one bitcoin buys you a

0:33:55

skyscraper

0:33:56

somewhere else right then you'll have

0:33:59

relative cost of living and

0:34:01

and there you know people did that with

0:34:02

a dollar right they used to say

0:34:04

you know you could live in you know in

0:34:06

mexico on the beach for 187 dollars a

0:34:09

month

0:34:09

live like a king there are relative

0:34:12

strengths

0:34:13

and i think i'll be like that but i

0:34:15

don't think we need to stretch any

0:34:16

further than that i think that's enough

0:34:18

i think ultimately people over they they

0:34:21

focus

0:34:22

too hard on medium exchange unit of

0:34:24

measure and they

0:34:25

and they underestimate the value of

0:34:27

bitcoin

0:34:29

as a store of value and as an asset i

0:34:31

think i think they don't

0:34:32

they undersell it and they they don't do

0:34:34

it justice

0:34:36

because it's so much better than every

0:34:38

other asset

0:34:40

and then i think you know the the entire

0:34:42

community of crypto it's just it's

0:34:43

it's too much engaged in debates between

0:34:46

the various crypto networks

0:34:48

with each other because one that you

0:34:51

i'll post something you know bitcoin is

0:34:55

uh bitcoin is a great way to transmit

0:34:58

energy into the future

0:34:59

and then they'll you know the ripple

0:35:01

people will start fighting or the

0:35:02

bitcoin cash people

0:35:04

someone gets triggered and takes offense

0:35:07

the way i see it is

0:35:15

crypto is a 300 billion dollar pond

0:35:15

sitting on the beach

0:35:17

next to a 300 trillion dollar ocean

0:35:21

of capital of energy

0:35:24

that's 99.9 of all energy of humanity

0:35:29

is sitting in alt assets not

0:35:32

alt coins not crypto

0:35:35

currency so

0:35:38

you know i i see all the the crypto

0:35:41

enthusiasts like working all the alt

0:35:43

coins

0:35:45

and they're just trying to drag down

0:35:47

bitcoin it reminds me of like a bunch of

0:35:49

crabs in a bucket

0:35:50

and then and and the bucket's kind of

0:35:52

hot or overheating

0:35:54

and the one crab wants to crawl out and

0:35:57

the other crab just want to drag it back

0:35:59

in instead of crawling on his back

0:36:01

it's like all the crabs just keep

0:36:03

pulling each other back into the bucket

0:36:06

it's it's totally self-sabotaging and it

0:36:09

doesn't matter

0:36:11

because what they ought to be thinking

0:36:14

how do we get 30 trillion of the 300

0:36:17

trillion to flow into our pond

0:36:20

[ __ ] right yeah thinking we want to

0:36:21

go from 300 billion to 3 trillion

0:36:23

and from 30 trillion and from 30

0:36:26

trillion to 300 trillion

0:36:28

and the way you're going to get there is

0:36:32

by attacking each other the way you're

0:36:34

going to get there is by dividing the

0:36:35

market

0:36:37

and focusing so

0:36:41

if you want to be a cryptocurrency while

0:36:43

the currency means you have to have a

0:36:45

stable asset value because the irs is

0:36:48

going to tax you to death if it changes

0:36:50

so tether can be a currency and it

0:36:53

cannot change

0:36:54

and you want you know do we need one i

0:36:57

don't know maybe we'll get by with a

0:36:58

centralized stable coin and maybe we

0:37:00

need to decentralize stable coin

0:37:01

there's a the market will decide that

0:37:04

but that's a thing in its own and if you

0:37:07

want to build a crypto application there

0:37:09

are applications

0:37:10

that of things that people might want

0:37:13

the bitcoin doesn't do like

0:37:14

total privacy or maybe you want to issue

0:37:18

title or provenance or maybe you want to

0:37:20

do a decentralized

0:37:22

exchange or wrap something or implement

0:37:25

insurance or lending

0:37:27

that's fine d5 their applications

0:37:31

have at it you'd be better off to say

0:37:34

ethereum is 60 of the application market

0:37:37

tethers

0:37:38

52 of the currency market

0:37:41

for cryptocurrency crypto app and then

0:37:44

bitcoin is 95

0:37:45

of the crypto asset market and if you

0:37:49

if you believe in another type of asset

0:37:53

i don't i don't think that it's

0:37:55

impossible we will ever come up with one

0:37:57

i just think right now the only clearly

0:37:59

successful crypto asset is bitcoin

0:38:02

right all the crypto enthusiasts will be

0:38:05

better

0:38:06

just to accept the success of bitcoin

0:38:09

because it's the gateway drug for all

0:38:11

the alt asset

0:38:12

holders to move into crypto and

0:38:16

they really ought to be encouraging the

0:38:17

next three trillion dollars to come and

0:38:19

the number one way to do that

0:38:21

is not to relentlessly ruthlessly attack

0:38:23

and sabotage and undermine bitcoin

0:38:26

but you know but rather to celebrate its

0:38:29

success

0:38:30

because as it gets bigger the uh the

0:38:33

opportunities

0:38:34

for uh for other crypto networks to

0:38:37

interact with it

0:38:38

will also get bigger absolutely and

0:38:41

that's

0:38:41

i to people that don't understand the

0:38:45

space

0:38:46

i like to articulate it that bitcoin is

0:38:48

digital gold

0:38:49

it has essentially already run and won

0:38:53

that race and that for the same

0:38:56

economic and game theoretic reasons

0:38:59

there's only one analog

0:39:01

gold there's only ever likely to be one

0:39:03

digital gold

0:39:04

so it's almost like you have to just

0:39:05

accept that and then i

0:39:07

describe the rest of the crypto asset

0:39:09

universe

0:39:11

as liquid venture capital subjected to

0:39:13

little if any due diligence

0:39:15

right some of them may succeed

0:39:17

meaningfully in markets orthogonal to

0:39:19

money

0:39:20

um but it's very high risk right and you

0:39:23

the fact that anyone can spin up one of

0:39:25

these assets in 15 minutes on the

0:39:27

ethereum blockchain

0:39:29

there's a very low barrier to entry very

0:39:31

low diligence so

0:39:33

um invest accordingly right i i suggest

0:39:37

no one if you're gonna have a crypto

0:39:38

asset portion of your portfolio

0:39:40

i think the highest risk position you

0:39:42

could ever be in is 80 20

0:39:44

bitcoin everything else and the

0:39:47

conservative position would be 100

0:39:49

bitcoin zero percent everything else

0:39:52

i agree with you i think we see it the

0:39:54

same way

0:39:56

and i guess that's a it's a good segue

0:39:58

just a general crypto theory

0:40:00

yeah the emergence of magic and

0:40:03

cyberspace

0:40:06

what's a crypto network what's a digital

0:40:08

network how do i view it

0:40:11

and you tell me if i'm right or wrong

0:40:13

i'm a newcomer

0:40:14

you've been around for a while my view

0:40:17

crypto network is a crypto network is

0:40:21

is a software application running on a

0:40:24

decentralized network with a consensus

0:40:26

mechanism

0:40:27

ideally proof of work arguably maybe

0:40:29

proof of stake or some other

0:40:32

some other consensus mechanism that that

0:40:35

theorists would agree promotes

0:40:38

decentralization

0:40:39

and and anti-fragility

0:40:42

and a digital network is a centralized

0:40:45

network it's the facebook or

0:40:47

twitter or google or apple or whatever

0:40:51

a more conventional client server

0:40:53

network so as we look in the future of

0:40:55

cyberspace we're going to see

0:40:57

crypto networks and digital networks

0:41:00

why would you want a crypto network you

0:41:02

want a crypto network for immortal

0:41:04

sovereignty

0:41:05

and anti-fragility

0:41:12

we know bitcoin is doing that right now

0:41:12

um if you want to convey humanity

0:41:16

across time and space especially across

0:41:20

time maybe across time and domain

0:41:24

right domain might be even better than

0:41:25

space you know crypto networks aren't

0:41:28

necessarily faster

0:41:29

than digital networks for moving ship

0:41:31

through space

0:41:33

but they're but they're better at moving

0:41:34

across domains

0:41:36

if uh and the reason for that

0:41:40

is that sometimes you have um lowest

0:41:43

common denominator regulatory

0:41:45

or compliance constraints that [ __ ]

0:41:49

the innovation in a digital network

0:41:51

apple computer

0:41:52

will never do certain things because

0:41:55

they're

0:41:55

subject to the u.s law

0:42:01

even though they could do them in 98

0:42:01

countries and so

0:42:03

a crypto network may in fact may develop

0:42:07

faster uh across regulatory domains

0:42:11

if um if digital networks are crippled

0:42:15

um there's obviously trade-offs between

0:42:17

digital and crypto and

0:42:19

i think about it's like trust security

0:42:21

and duration

0:42:24

are attributes of crypto economy

0:42:27

performance functionality and compliance

0:42:30

are attributes of digital if i want to

0:42:32

do a cheap economy cheap it's a billion

0:42:34

times cheaper

0:42:35

on this on a digital network if i want

0:42:37

performance it's a million times faster

0:42:39

on a digital network if i want

0:42:42

functionality

0:42:43

it's likely much more functional there's

0:42:44

nobody that would dispute that apple pay

0:42:47

or or apple or google their their

0:42:50

beautiful

0:42:50

functional products apple or google maps

0:42:53

right trying to do google maps on a

0:42:55

decentralized crypto network would

0:42:57

probably be

0:42:58

a disaster and in compliance

0:43:02

right digital networks are better at

0:43:04

compliance sometimes we

0:43:05

regret their compliance right they shut

0:43:07

down stuff and they censor things

0:43:10

but they're better at compliance

0:43:13

and so the very things

0:43:18

that uh that make crypto attractive

0:43:21

trust security duration are purchased at

0:43:23

the price of giving up

0:43:25

economy performance functionality and

0:43:27

compliance

0:43:28

and um the conclusion is

0:43:31

some stuff makes better sense to be

0:43:33

doing digitally

0:43:35

and other stuff maybe with crypto

0:43:38

the it's early days and the only

0:43:41

obvious conclusion we both agree on

0:43:44

is bitcoin is a successful crypto

0:43:47

network as a store of value

0:43:49

we know that everything else

0:43:52

is an experiment and it when it hits

0:43:57

a hundred billion dollars it's not an

0:43:59

experiment anymore

0:44:00

right and we can debate whether it's an

0:44:03

experiment at 50 billion but

0:44:05

but i would say at 100 billion dollars

0:44:07

it's a it's a

0:44:08

thing and it's pretty clear and it might

0:44:09

it might be a thing that we all know and

0:44:11

recognize below that but

0:44:13

but you need a lot more education to

0:44:16

determine that

0:44:18

i think the just to throw on my two

0:44:20

cents here is the

0:44:22

it is distinguishing between a

0:44:24

decentralized network and centralized

0:44:27

and this this reminds me of an old quote

0:44:29

i forget who said it but

0:44:31

if you want to go fast go alone if you

0:44:34

want to go

0:44:34

far go together right so the centralized

0:44:37

solution is kind of like going alone

0:44:39

because it's just according to one

0:44:41

single plan

0:44:42

it can innovate very quickly and move a

0:44:43

certain direction very quickly decision

0:44:45

making is concentrated

0:44:47

whereas the decentralized solution has

0:44:50

more of a

0:44:51

dynamic equilibrium that lets it persist

0:44:54

further across time so the centralized

0:44:56

solution

0:44:57

is going to be really compliant really

0:44:59

fast really innovative

0:45:00

but the decentralized solution is really

0:45:02

only useful when you need

0:45:04

censorship resistance right you need to

0:45:07

know that it will persist

0:45:09

across the maximum duration of time and

0:45:11

that no

0:45:12

individual group or uh or individual for

0:45:15

that matter can can shut it down or

0:45:17

manipulate

0:45:18

it so it'd say bitcoin is at the extreme

0:45:20

end of that centralized or decentralized

0:45:22

end of the spectrum or something like

0:45:24

apple would be at the other end

0:45:27

yeah yeah you could use a metaphor like

0:45:29

an aspen forest

0:45:31

or some massive biomass

0:45:34

versus an animal a vertebrate versus a

0:45:38

you know invertebrates you know

0:45:40

different life

0:45:41

plants versus animals right uh

0:45:45

they're different creatures and they

0:45:46

have different lifespans

0:45:48

right you want to live for 2 000 years

0:45:52

you know or do you want to live for 80

0:45:53

years but one of them moves faster than

0:45:55

the other but one of them's more

0:45:56

vulnerable than the other

0:45:58

right i think um from a human point of

0:46:01

view the real question for humans

0:46:02

is do you want to put your trust in man

0:46:06

trust in an organization trust in a

0:46:09

company

0:46:11

trust in a government

0:46:15

do you want to put your uh and or do you

0:46:18

want to put your trust in a

0:46:20

crypto network and um

0:46:24

we're going to solve our problems with

0:46:26

the segmentation

0:46:27

mixture of these trusts um

0:46:30

and and you don't have to right for

0:46:32

we're probably not going to create uh

0:46:34

we're probably not going to put the

0:46:35

functionality into bitcoin

0:46:37

in a total decentralized proof-of-work

0:46:39

network that will do what amazon does or

0:46:42

uber does or pandora or youtube does

0:46:45

probably not but do we really need to

0:46:48

probably don't need to

0:46:51

so when we think about the crypto

0:46:52

industry segmentation i think

0:46:55

you really you want to divide and

0:46:57

conquer

0:46:59

you want the a crypto network by the way

0:47:02

is a life form

0:47:04

and i think that's different i mean

0:47:05

there's a genetic encoding

0:47:07

in a crypto network and that's it's

0:47:10

it's very different than um solving the

0:47:14

problem with

0:47:14

the human being or solving the problem

0:47:16

even with a digital network

0:47:18

when you design the protocol of bitcoin

0:47:21

and you let it go

0:47:22

it becomes a life form and it multiplies

0:47:25

and all these nodes spread and all these

0:47:27

miners spread

0:47:29

and you can't easily you can't pull the

0:47:31

genie back in a bottle and re-engineer

0:47:33

the genetics of it

0:47:34

and release it and then wand in fact

0:47:38

you would almost say that like once

0:47:39

plankton is spread out to dominate all

0:47:42

the ecosystem if god had a better idea

0:47:45

you know he created that and made those

0:47:46

minnows

0:47:51

he created bacteria he created a new

0:47:51

species

0:47:52

you have a better idea create something

0:47:54

different and if that's something

0:47:56

different is in the same

0:47:57

energy ecosystem as the plankton it's

0:48:00

not going to make it

0:48:01

right you can create a bird and the bird

0:48:04

can coexist

0:48:05

with a deer but it's hard to create two

0:48:09

apex predator birds and put them in the

0:48:11

same space at the same time one of them

0:48:13

eats the other one

0:48:14

one apex predator creature you know it's

0:48:19

and that's the same thing with crypto i

0:48:21

think

0:48:22

yeah you got to think of it as an

0:48:24

evolution of a new life

0:48:25

life force in cyberspace and the genetic

0:48:29

code is of paramount importance

0:48:32

so if you really hope to be successful

0:48:36

and this is my opinion when you release

0:48:40

the privacy coin you need to say this is

0:48:43

for this thing

0:48:44

and this is what it is and we're gonna

0:48:46

we're going to get it just right

0:48:48

and we're going to let it breathe and

0:48:49

let it live and we're not going to mess

0:48:51

with it or monkey with it

0:48:52

and we're not going to decide that we

0:48:54

wanted the monkey to have wings and also

0:48:56

have gills and

0:48:57

swim and then if i'm watching tv and i

0:48:59

see these cool antler things i want to

0:49:01

put the antlers on it

0:49:03

but you can't be a technology tinkering

0:49:06

enthusiast

0:49:08

with a crypto

0:49:13

you have to be you have to have more the

0:49:13

mindset of

0:49:15

it's the it's the crazy guy in the lab

0:49:18

in the laboratory creating a new kind of

0:49:22

life virus creature so you get one shot

0:49:26

and it's out of the lab

0:49:28

right and you're done yeah you get it

0:49:32

and you and so you should be aware of

0:49:34

just how important it is it's a protocol

0:49:37

life is a is it's a strand of dna

0:49:41

and that dna is going to go and it's

0:49:43

going to do whatever it's going to do

0:49:45

it's it's you're creating

0:49:46

life and so how devastating is it for

0:49:51

god to say i created human beings i made

0:49:53

a mistake

0:49:54

i'm going to recall them and then tinker

0:49:57

and do a human being 2.0

0:50:00

like it's

0:50:03

it's a problem right i don't know i

0:50:05

guess in the bible right

0:50:06

the biblical analogy is the flood where

0:50:08

everybody just gets

0:50:09

killed right or you know or some some

0:50:13

crazy stuff in the garden of eden

0:50:15

but you know with with things like

0:50:18

ethereum right you've got a theory of

0:50:20

1.0 and now you're trying to do ethereum

0:50:23

you'd almost be better off just to do

0:50:26

something different

0:50:27

as opposed to like retrofit something

0:50:30

because

0:50:31

right it's like it's like going back and

0:50:34

trying to force fit the dna

0:50:37

you could do it with a digital net

0:50:41

or it's it's okay if you're running on a

0:50:43

single server and

0:50:44

and uh throw it throw a switch and

0:50:46

everybody switches it

0:50:48

but the whole point of a decentralized

0:50:50

life form

0:50:51

is they're all different and they all

0:50:53

get to make their own decisions

0:51:00

and if and if you can order them

0:51:00

to do something it doesn't feel that

0:51:03

decentralized

0:51:04

they're not decentralized exactly yeah

0:51:14

with regard to to this i mean i look at

0:51:14

the crypto industry i think the logical

0:51:17

segmentation is assets versus

0:51:20

applications versus currencies

0:51:23

it is the purpose of the crypto network

0:51:25

to be an asset

0:51:27

and bitcoin clearly is and then bitcoin

0:51:30

cash and bitcoin satoshi vision the rest

0:51:32

are trying to be

0:51:33

it seems pretty clear that bitcoin is 93

0:51:37

of all the assets and the other ones are

0:51:39

probably going to zero and the only way

0:51:41

you don't go to zero

0:51:43

is you have to be differentiated in a

0:51:45

way that the marketplace appreciates

0:51:47

you it's a species right

0:51:51

i can't be almost like a bunny rabbit i

0:51:53

need to be

0:51:55

a wolf i need to be different than a

0:51:56

bunny rabbit

0:51:58

right and and and it's an important

0:52:00

caveat

0:52:01

differentiating the way the market

0:52:02

appreciates or in other ways in other

0:52:04

words

0:52:05

differentiated in a way such that nature

0:52:07

gives you an advantage in natural

0:52:09

selection

0:52:10

so taking bitcoin forking it and making

0:52:14

do transactions 10 times faster

0:52:18

isn't good enough because you're a

0:52:19

million times slower than the other way

0:52:21

to do transactions so that's just not a

0:52:24

genetic

0:52:26

mutation that works it's a it's an

0:52:29

example of a faulty genetic mutation

0:52:32

that kills the carrier and takes an

0:52:34

extent it's an extinction level of

0:52:36

mutation

0:52:36

genetic mutations happen all the time in

0:52:39

nature

0:52:40

most of them are mistakes right

0:52:44

but some of them might work right if i

0:52:47

can if i can stand up on two feet

0:52:49

and if i can find a and my eyes start to

0:52:52

work ten times better than your eyes and

0:52:54

i can fashion missiles then maybe that's

0:52:55

gonna work for me

0:52:56

and maybe i will procreate so it it's

0:53:00

impossible to have a genetic mutation on

0:53:03

bitcoin

0:53:05

that would be um naturally uh

0:53:07

advantageous it's not impossible

0:53:10

it's just the pro you know the ones you

0:53:13

look at right now like

0:53:16

what do you have i mean transaction

0:53:17

speed that's really no good

0:53:19

privacy it's a it's a regulatory threat

0:53:22

and so therefore

0:53:24

yeah it's kind of a nice thing but it's

0:53:25

a bull's-eye on his forehead which means

0:53:28

when the regulators go to shut down

0:53:30

crypto exchanges the first thing they'll

0:53:31

do is pass a law against that

0:53:33

right and so tell me

0:53:37

um give me an example of a

0:53:40

mutation on bitcoin that would make it a

0:53:43

distinct

0:53:44

asset that would deserve to have its own

0:53:47

as a store of value

0:53:52

i i've thought about this a lot and

0:53:52

written about it and

0:53:55

i have yet to identify one like bitcoin

0:53:58

sort of perfects the main properties of

0:53:59

money that you need

0:54:01

and then the added caveat to that is

0:54:03

that even if a

0:54:05

mutation or innovation occurred such

0:54:07

that the market

0:54:08

identified it as useful right and you

0:54:10

saw this reflected in its market cap

0:54:13

bitcoin also has this capacity to absorb

0:54:15

feature set

0:54:16

from competitors right so if something

0:54:18

becomes market proven

0:54:19

bitcoin can assimilate that to its

0:54:21

existing utxo set

0:54:23

just as living organisms do but just

0:54:26

just as companies do like you get a

0:54:28

competitor that which does not kill me

0:54:32

makes me stronger right instagram

0:54:34

absorbing snapchat story feature right

0:54:36

totally destroyed snapchat so um

0:54:40

we don't see another one right now it's

0:54:42

not impossible to conceptualize that

0:54:45

maybe there would be one but right now

0:54:47

it looks like bitcoin is 94

0:54:50

of the crypto asset market you can't

0:54:52

include ethereum because

0:54:54

although it's proof of work now it's

0:54:56

going to proof of stake

0:54:57

and that you know they don't even have

0:55:00

you know a commitment intellectual

0:55:02

commitment to be

0:55:04

right proof of the it's not clear to me

0:55:07

the proof of

0:55:08

uh the proof of stake is intellectually

0:55:11

defensible over the long term it's not

0:55:13

proven it seems like it may be defective

0:55:15

as like right it's it's like an

0:55:19

example we're back to this issue it's

0:55:22

it's like i want to hobble the antelopes

0:55:25

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0:55:27

it's like somebody complained we're

0:55:29

using too much energy it's almost like

0:55:31

the environmentalist

0:55:33

took over and they've decided that

0:55:35

they're just

0:55:36

mad that someone's using too much energy

0:55:38

so they want to pass a law

0:55:40

to stop it but it's a law against mother

0:55:42

nature

0:55:43

and it's booting to hobble the antelope

0:55:46

so the the four percent or five percent

0:55:50

crypto assets left there

0:55:52

satoshi vision bitcoin cash none of them

0:55:55

are differentiated enough

0:55:57

that they that they would seem to have

0:55:59

any future in a darwinian world

0:56:02

right like so their destiny seems to be

0:56:04

to go to zero

0:56:06

so then we go to crypto currencies

0:56:08

that's a simple one stable coins

0:56:10

like i mean people go ballistic if you

0:56:12

said they're cryptocurrency because

0:56:13

everybody wants bitcoin to be a

0:56:14

cryptocurrency

0:56:16

but if the definition of currency

0:56:20

is money that you can legally spend in a

0:56:23

country without incurring taxes

0:56:25

right bitcoin is not a currency but

0:56:29

but tether is yeah right because

0:56:32

it's kind of simple read the irs tax

0:56:35

you'll find most places on earth

0:56:38

they're going to tax it as an asset

0:56:41

and there's nothing wrong with that in

0:56:42

fact that's better it's actually a

0:56:44

mistake

0:56:46

why would you want to create a

0:56:48

short-term currency

0:56:50

that's a billion times more expensive

0:56:53

to to do to implement uh computationally

0:56:57

than the other one right it's like the

0:56:59

only reason you want to do something a

0:57:01

billion times more expensive is for

0:57:03

immortality immortal sovereignty

0:57:07

but you've got that and you have that on

0:57:11

of your assets 99.9

0:57:14

of the time then you're good

0:57:17

then you can afford to have a little bit

0:57:19

of risk in order to get a billion times

0:57:21

faster performance

0:57:22

on a digital network so

0:57:25

that's currencies uh the only reason for

0:57:27

cryptocurrency

0:57:28

is for regulatory arbitrage or or

0:57:31

maybe maybe innovation due to

0:57:34

right decentralization if you can if you

0:57:37

can make the argument that

0:57:39

that we're going to innovate faster

0:57:41

because we're governed by the laws of

0:57:43

singapore

0:57:43

and people in malta can use singaporean

0:57:45

cryptocurrency

0:57:47

and it's not technically illegal it's

0:57:49

just it's just a hundred times better

0:57:52

because we're able to tap into that

0:57:53

regulatory arbitrage opportunity

0:57:55

correct remarket then i think okay

0:57:59

fine right that there's a place for

0:58:01

crypto currency

0:58:02

i guess you could add the speed factor

0:58:04

to like the tether can be moved 24 by

0:58:07

seven

0:58:07

whereas us dollars would face certain

0:58:09

restrictions in terms of time

0:58:11

or or jurisdiction right capital

0:58:13

controls as well

0:58:16

on the other hand you can move apple pay

0:58:17

24 7. you can move square

0:58:19

24 7. right there's no reason why you

0:58:22

couldn't have run a digital network

0:58:24

24 7. by the way binance is the digital

0:58:27

network

0:58:28

and you can trip 24 7 on binance

0:58:31

so binance could simply clear they could

0:58:34

just move it

0:58:35

around if i'm moving money or on an

0:58:37

exchange or between exchanges

0:58:39

i could do that on a digital network i

0:58:41

don't need uh

0:58:42

a crypto network to do it right so

0:58:45

whether or not people will use a

0:58:47

digitally based

0:58:48

stablecoin or crypto stable coin it's a

0:58:51

function of regulatory arbitrage and i

0:58:53

mean there are privacy issues that

0:58:55

people have

0:58:56

and then there are there are trust

0:58:58

issues

0:58:59

but um i guess you would say actually

0:59:02

tether

0:59:03

tether is a digital network actually in

0:59:05

this framework right

0:59:07

it's not decentralized you trust the

0:59:09

counterparty

0:59:10

because there's a central authority that

0:59:12

can actually intervene right

0:59:14

right and so you can almost argue that

0:59:16

if tether is the king of stable coins

0:59:20

uh it's running on a digital network not

0:59:22

a network

0:59:24

like die maybe die if it's truly

0:59:28

the irony is diet is a truly digi

0:59:30

decentralized one but people don't like

0:59:32

it because it's because it's inefficient

0:59:34

and it doesn't quite

0:59:35

peg the value but yeah but but you can

0:59:39

create you could create a crypto

0:59:43

currency as a stable coin you know using

0:59:47

oracle i mean using some information

0:59:49

feed and using bitcoin as the underlying

0:59:51

collateral

0:59:52

and and create a synthetic dollar and a

0:59:55

synthetic

0:59:56

euro you could

0:59:59

and while we need it it depends i mean

1:00:02

it takes us to crypto applications and

1:00:04

digital applications well

1:00:06

well i mean finance and coinbase you

1:00:09

know and

1:00:09

hobie and the like they're digital

1:00:12

exchanges they're digital networks for

1:00:15

exchange

1:00:16

and then you've got you know you've got

1:00:18

the decentralized exchanges right

1:00:20

uniswap

1:00:21

sushi swap and um there's like um

1:00:25

there's a very romantic notion like

1:00:27

decentralized exchanges will be

1:00:29

digital exchanges not so sure

1:00:32

i mean like i will see

1:00:39

but the point that i made in one of my

1:00:39

tweets is

1:00:43

so i buy 400 million dollars worth of

1:00:45

bitcoin

1:00:47

i do it in seven days

1:00:54

for seven days i have some exposure

1:00:54

on a digital exchange i move it to coal

1:00:57

storage

1:00:59

for the next 10 years so for the next

1:01:02

three thousand or 20 years

1:01:04

for the next 7 500 days

1:01:07

it's off the uh the digital exchange

1:01:11

so 99.9 percent

1:01:16

or more right what is seven divided by

1:01:18

seven thousand right it's like yeah

1:01:20

it's 99.9 99.9 percent of the time

1:01:24

i'm not exposed to the risk of a digital

1:01:27

exchange

1:01:28

and so everyone that says well digital

1:01:30

stage or risky

1:01:32

well it's risky in the same same way

1:01:35

that walking across the street is risky

1:01:37

robber

1:01:38

but you do it right in theory when you

1:01:41

cross a crosswalk

1:01:42

if the red light failed couldn't you get

1:01:45

slammed into with a truck and killed

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okay so are you gonna take the position

1:01:52

that we're gonna have to build

1:01:54

flyovers on every crosswalk in the world

1:02:03

it's pretty expensive yeah you know

1:02:03

so what will happen there

1:02:06

i don't know but it seems to me that

1:02:09

binance is doing just fine as a

1:02:10

centralized

1:02:11

exchange and it seems that it's square

1:02:14

works fine

1:02:14

as a digital client application and it

1:02:17

looks

1:02:18

if apple computer announced that you

1:02:20

could send bitcoin

1:02:21

or cash buy apple pay tomorrow

1:02:25

or my imessage i think a lot of people

1:02:28

pretty happy to do that and they'll be

1:02:29

complaining about it and uh

1:02:31

and it really comes down to this issue

1:02:35

economy it's a million times cheaper

1:02:38

performance it's a million times faster

1:02:41

functionality it's a million times more

1:02:43

functional

1:02:45

and compliance they're probably more

1:02:47

compliant in the country you're in

1:02:49

so if you can do it on a digital network

1:02:52

you probably will when you think about

1:02:55

crypto you really have to ask this

1:02:58

question

1:02:59

you know like what is so important

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[Music]

1:03:03

that i want immortal sovereignty

1:03:07

what is so important and certainly my

1:03:10

life force

1:03:12

if you said to me michael i'm gonna take

1:03:15

all of your energy

1:03:16

and i'm going to protect it and i'm

1:03:18

going to fulfill your wishes

1:03:19

from now to a thousand years from now

1:03:27

i think that's worth it

1:03:27

that's a religion that's a crypto

1:03:34

i have a park i'd like for the park to

1:03:34

be trimmed and the trees to be kept nice

1:03:36

and i'd like for the park to be

1:03:37

beautiful for the next thousand years

1:03:39

it'll cost a million dollars a year

1:03:42

and so if i put 50 million dollars into

1:03:44

endowment

1:03:45

and it generates two percent yield then

1:03:48

i could reasonably say to robert

1:03:50

robert why don't you take my 50 million

1:03:53

and put it into bitcoin and then then

1:03:56

becomes the question of

1:03:58

you know how am i going to see my wishes

1:04:00

through for a thousand years

1:04:02

well the current way you would do it is

1:04:04

you would create an institution like the

1:04:06

rockefeller institution or the hughes

1:04:08

institute

1:04:09

and you trust human beings

1:04:12

what we're really talking about is we're

1:04:15

talking about

1:04:16

um we're talking about the crypto asset

1:04:19

network of bitcoin

1:04:21

taking the base layer and holding all

1:04:24

the monetary energy for

1:04:26

a thousand years and then we're talking

1:04:29

100 years if you think a thousand years

1:04:30

is crazy we've got 100 years

1:04:32

then we're talking about a digital

1:04:34

network

1:04:36

maybe it's uh you know gardeners.com

1:04:40

and it's special or amazon will probably

1:04:42

do it because they'll probably do

1:04:43

everything by the time

1:04:45

we get through the decade there will be

1:04:46

nothing that they're not doing

1:04:48

and so let me make it easier

1:04:51

let's just say i want to send flowers to

1:04:53

everyone in my family on their birthday

1:04:55

for the next 100 years

1:04:58

with a little note for me telling them

1:05:00

how much i love them that's the simpler

1:05:02

thing

1:05:03

i i put i endow an account with bitcoin

1:05:06

i create an amazon account i wire it up

1:05:10

with flowers i create some

1:05:12

kind of mechanism so that when children

1:05:14

are born they get added to the family

1:05:17

and the thing drips out a little bit of

1:05:19

money in

1:05:20

monetary energy in bitcoin converse to

1:05:25

buys the flowers for 187 000 a dozen

1:05:28

roses right in the year 20 47.

1:05:32

and it ships them for the person and i

1:05:35

die happy

1:05:36

and for the next hundred years or

1:05:38

thousand years

1:05:40

flowers get delivered to people in the

1:05:42

sailor family line because that was my

1:05:44

last will and testament

1:05:46

and uh how would i do it if i was john d

1:05:49

rockefeller

1:05:50

100 years ago i i would have a crapload

1:05:53

of assets

1:05:54

probably a lot of gold and stock and he

1:05:57

owned every oil company

1:05:58

they're still around and then you would

1:06:01

put some of that

1:06:02

into a foundation a non-profit

1:06:04

foundation because you need to be

1:06:05

tax-free tax advantage

1:06:08

and that's why you got to go nonprofit

1:06:11

and then by the way all your capital

1:06:12

gains become tax-free tax advantage and

1:06:15

all your income becomes tax advantage

1:06:16

right so that's a good idea

1:06:18

and then you have a board of governance

1:06:20

and you have like five

1:06:22

advisors and they appoint a money

1:06:23

manager and they appoint a business

1:06:25

manager

1:06:26

and um when one of them retires they

1:06:29

they have a selection committee process

1:06:32

to put someone else and

1:06:33

we're probably on the seventh generation

1:06:35

of advisors to the rockefeller institute

1:06:38

by the way johnny rockefeller created

1:06:40

the university of chicago

1:06:41

it's still running you know rock

1:06:44

played a lot of stuff still running

1:06:46

rockefeller university

1:06:48

um so

1:06:52

i can do it the old-fashioned way but

1:06:54

you're probably talking about

1:06:56

to do it well you need a hundred million

1:06:58

dollars of assets and a five million

1:07:00

dollar a year operating budget you get

1:07:03

down to one two million dollars is not

1:07:05

five million dollars a year is the

1:07:07

minimum

1:07:09

your best bet is you have to become a

1:07:10

university a religion

1:07:12

a church or a non-profit hughes

1:07:15

institute

1:07:17

so that's the way that you get immortal

1:07:20

sovereignty

1:07:21

or like some long-range sovereignty

1:07:24

another standard why people do it is

1:07:26

rockefeller bought up all the land on

1:07:28

the hudson river and he gives it to

1:07:30

he gives it to the state of new york

1:07:33

turn it into a state park and get it and

1:07:35

get the um

1:07:37

or a national park like grand teton

1:07:39

national park

1:07:41

and you get the federal government the

1:07:42

state government to uh to agree to fund

1:07:44

it in perpetuity

1:07:45

for the smithsonian institution the

1:07:48

problem with all those things is that

1:07:49

some of you can't even trust the

1:07:51

governments right

1:07:51

but your best bet is you lay it off on a

1:07:54

state or federal government and

1:07:56

that's okay until the government fails

1:07:58

or it reneges

1:08:00

on something or other but the bottom

1:08:03

line is it's

1:08:04

it's not really within the grasp of

1:08:05

small mid-sized business

1:08:07

or the individual just

1:08:10

what is youtube youtube allows you to

1:08:13

become your own tv station

1:08:17

so what are we talking about here well

1:08:19

you know the

1:08:20

the cliche be on bank it's kind of a

1:08:23

cliche and i i

1:08:24

think if we look at it a different way

1:08:26

it's like

1:08:27

i'm a i'm a normal person

1:08:30

i put my i endow my own monetary energy

1:08:34

into bitcoin

1:08:36

i plug it into some uh digital network

1:08:39

i give the keys to someone i trust

1:08:42

family member air maybe i do multi-sig

1:08:46

right

1:08:47

and multi you know instead of um having

1:08:49

five people on a board if you have five

1:08:52

people on a board of an endowment with a

1:08:54

hundred million or a billion dollars in

1:08:56

the endowment

1:08:58

they're kept honest by filing annual tax

1:09:00

forms with the irs

1:09:02

and in theory they can be personally

1:09:04

liable if they defraud

1:09:06

the foundation or abuse their fiduciary

1:09:10

trust

1:09:11

but you know it's kind of like a 20th

1:09:12

century idea

1:09:15

a better idea would be i put the money

1:09:17

into a bitcoin

1:09:18

and i have like three or five digital

1:09:21

and it takes three out of the five to

1:09:22

vote on everything and then when anybody

1:09:25

when anybody

1:09:26

every three months they have to register

1:09:28

that they're online

1:09:29

and of healthy mind and spirit and if

1:09:32

someone stops registering

1:09:34

then the remaining four automatically

1:09:37

appoint a fifth

1:09:38

and whenever anybody retires they

1:09:39

automatically transfer their key

1:09:42

and then what i've done is i've

1:09:44

de-materialized

1:09:46

an endowment board of directors

1:09:49

corporation institution

1:09:52

and it's just become maybe a simple

1:09:55

application in cyberspace

1:09:57

plugged into a base layer of monetary

1:09:59

energy

1:10:01

and it's doing something whatever that

1:10:03

something is

1:10:05

and so that's an operation of people

1:10:08

uh people and digital networks and

1:10:10

crypto networks in order to

1:10:12

allow people to achieve their hopes and

1:10:15

desires over long periods of time

1:10:18

that's really interesting that you can

1:10:20

lock up

1:10:21

the base layer you know money

1:10:25

and then appoint this multi-sig schema

1:10:28

as almost a decentralized organization

1:10:30

in a way among these five members and

1:10:32

then that gives

1:10:34

uh the ability for your will and

1:10:36

testament to be carried out in a more

1:10:38

dynamic way across time because as

1:10:40

governments fail organizational

1:10:42

landscape changes or other

1:10:44

macroeconomic conditions change these

1:10:46

five people can adapt

1:10:47

right so they're sitting on this money

1:10:50

that you've

1:10:51

put behind the wall of encrypted energy

1:10:53

but it also gives it some dynamism

1:10:55

in a way that they can adapt to your

1:10:57

will and testament

1:10:59

and until computers get so smart that

1:11:01

they do it all for us

1:11:03

the most likely outcome is i appoint

1:11:07

three people or five people and then

1:11:10

they plug in the digital networks that

1:11:12

do all the stuff that we want done

1:11:15

like maybe maybe um you want to host all

1:11:18

of your writings

1:11:19

and all of your videos for the next

1:11:21

thousand years

1:11:23

in cyberspace okay so you appoint three

1:11:26

trustees of the

1:11:28

breed law of institute you endow it

1:11:31

or with some amount of bitcoin

1:11:34

you live a fine life you depart

1:11:38

and their rules are every 10 years they

1:11:40

have to find

1:11:41

someone to replace them you put your own

1:11:43

term limits in there

1:11:45

the romans did it every year by the way

1:11:47

you could put all sorts of rules that

1:11:48

you could say that

1:11:50

everyone that actually reads my stuff

1:11:52

and passes the test can vote on who this

1:11:54

five trustees are going to be or you

1:11:57

can't even be a trustee

1:11:58

unless you've watched and read

1:12:01

everything and understood everything and

1:12:02

passed

1:12:03

you know my quiz that i left for you you

1:12:06

know what if ludwig von

1:12:07

mises left all of his stuff in

1:12:09

cyberspace and we need to read all this

1:12:10

stuff absorb it

1:12:11

and pass an oral exam by him in order to

1:12:13

become a fellow

1:12:15

and we became a fellow we're invited to

1:12:16

the academy of

1:12:18

austrian economist and that goes on

1:12:22

to all eternity and then the academy

1:12:26

the academy adds to the body of

1:12:28

knowledge and they can upgrade the

1:12:29

protocols and they can upgrade the test

1:12:32

and then they pass the flame down from

1:12:34

generation to generation the entire

1:12:35

thing becomes anti-fragile and it's a

1:12:37

religion of austrian economics

1:12:39

it's it i think in the guild system

1:12:42

what's something to be an immortal

1:12:45

sovereign

1:12:46

crypto network then you think like the

1:12:49

guilds it's it's got to be something

1:12:51

that people are so passionate about

1:12:53

they'll pass it down

1:12:54

from parent to child father to son

1:12:57

mother to daughter

1:12:58

you know uh master the student there are

1:13:04

things like that i mean

1:13:05

schools of martial arts brazilian

1:13:07

jiu-jitsu other jiu jitsu

1:13:09

religions etc and the medieval guilds

1:13:12

were like that

1:13:14

maybe there would be a like for example

1:13:16

i like environmental causes

1:13:18

what if what if i had a park and i said

1:13:22

well people have to go and have to work

1:13:24

in the park and support the park

1:13:26

but the part is this private public

1:13:30

entity where you could be a member

1:13:32

and you can use it but only if you

1:13:33

contribute to it

1:13:35

and protect it and then i endow it

1:13:39

and becomes a self-sovereign entity

1:13:42

for a thousand years with like a it's

1:13:45

like a

1:13:46

park owners association right yeah it's

1:13:49

really interesting

1:13:50

you've called previously uh i think

1:13:52

domain names

1:13:53

akin to digital real estate

1:13:57

and so what's coming to mind is that you

1:13:58

could also do this with

1:14:00

a domain right you could fund a domain

1:14:02

in perpetuity and then

1:14:04

populate it with these institutional

1:14:05

factors you've described

1:14:07

um bitcoin.org yeah

1:14:11

well yeah any domain i mean

1:14:14

it could be wisdom.com and the people

1:14:17

put wisdom in

1:14:18

and there are curators and it's and

1:14:21

there's a governance mechanism

1:14:23

and it's a support mechanism and you

1:14:25

just want it to go on forever like a

1:14:27

monument

1:14:28

in cyberspace um interesting

1:14:31

think of it as a monument in cyberspace

1:14:34

right it's it's something that has some

1:14:37

functionality

1:14:39

but you know the real question here is

1:14:43

um what do you love

1:14:47

and what is it what is it you want to

1:14:49

achieve in your life's time

1:14:51

and and people you know are you a family

1:14:53

man are you a political man

1:14:55

are you religious uh you know do you

1:14:57

love art

1:14:58

maybe maybe you want to create a website

1:15:01

that allows people

1:15:03

to upload their art you can upload

1:15:06

digital art

1:15:07

and then other people can like can check

1:15:10

it out or use it

1:15:13

subject to some licensing and you just

1:15:15

want that to become like

1:15:16

i guess like a wikipedia type thing

1:15:19

right it's a common service but you want

1:15:20

it to just go on forever

1:15:22

this is so interesting subject or

1:15:24

fragile to human

1:15:26

failure right it's so interesting that

1:15:29

another way to think about money is the

1:15:30

medium for expressing

1:15:32

preferences right when you buy a car or

1:15:35

sell a house

1:15:36

the economy responds dynamically by

1:15:38

making more cars and less houses

1:15:40

so now with bitcoin you can actually

1:15:42

express these preferences

1:15:44

trans transcendentally of space and time

1:15:46

right you can express them

1:15:47

in theory for all all eternity

1:15:57

sorry can i give you two examples to pop

1:15:57

them on please yeah

1:15:59

all the time you have examples of rich

1:16:01

donors that they endow

1:16:02

a professor or charity university and

1:16:05

then the money gets hijacked

1:16:06

to build a new football stadium or

1:16:10

i i want to endow professorship of

1:16:13

austrian economics but then someone

1:16:15

takes over the university and so they

1:16:16

divert the money to buy a new

1:16:18

hot dog truck so i'm dead

1:16:23

how do i make sure that someone doesn't

1:16:25

that they really fulfill my last

1:16:27

dying wish how do i make sure well if

1:16:31

i can do it if i have a rockefeller

1:16:34

institute and they hold the per

1:16:36

strings and they go it out annually and

1:16:38

then they

1:16:39

and they watch but then i have to

1:16:40

actually have a bunch of people that i

1:16:42

trust that 100 years from now will

1:16:44

remember what my wishes were

1:16:48

and you know and maybe you know maybe

1:16:51

nobody cares about that but

1:16:53

but uh it's a challenge for people now i

1:16:56

i wanted to naples this year

1:16:58

and if you go to naples you go into the

1:17:00

port uh

1:17:02

you have all these um super yachts in

1:17:04

the port

1:17:05

and very very wealthy people on the

1:17:07

super yachts but if you walk out of the

1:17:10

uh there's puddles on the floor

1:17:13

and there's this there's this part in

1:17:15

the middle of naples right next to the

1:17:17

and it runs about 10 blocks and uh

1:17:21

50 years ago it was beautiful in the

1:17:24

jewel of naples and it was like central

1:17:26

and everyone could come there and enjoy

1:17:28

the day now if you walk through it

1:17:31

all the buildings are spray painted

1:17:32

they're all closed there's pooling

1:17:35

stinking water no grass grows it's just

1:17:39

mud it looks like something 40 years

1:17:42

after the apocalypse

1:17:43

it's in the middle of like the third

1:17:45

largest city in italy

1:17:53

there's money everywhere and yet somehow

1:17:53

neither the municipal government nor the

1:17:56

state

1:17:56

nor the federal government of italy

1:17:59

nor any wealthy person can manage

1:18:03

to come up with a hundred thousand euros

1:18:05

a year

1:18:06

to water the grass and mow the water

1:18:09

in the middle of a city of a million

1:18:11

people

1:18:13

the public jewel of the city the single

1:18:14

most important piece of real estate in

1:18:16

the entire city

1:18:17

is suffering from a tragedy of the

1:18:19

commons now

1:18:20

i ask myself if i was that wealthy

1:18:23

person and if i wanted to bring that

1:18:25

part to life

1:18:27

oh if you wanted to do it top notch and

1:18:29

you need a million dollars a year

1:18:31

a million euros a year you want to do

1:18:33

spectacular something 10 million euros a

1:18:35

if you want to just mow the lawn and

1:18:38

water it

1:18:39

and keep it from being a stinking mud

1:18:40

infesting war zone

1:18:43

100 000 euros a year

1:18:46

how do i actually endow that part

1:18:49

without having the money

1:18:50

hijacked by whoever hijacked the money

1:18:55

because obviously none of the economic

1:18:58

energy

1:18:58

is making it to that part in the middle

1:19:00

of naples

1:19:02

it might be a more worthy cause just

1:19:04

giving a third of my money to

1:19:06

the government as tax on my death or two

1:19:09

thirds when i die

1:19:11

for them to whatever they're doing

1:19:14

like what can you say about a

1:19:15

civilization that can't keep its central

1:19:17

park in its

1:19:18

most important city in the province from

1:19:20

being a stinking

1:19:22

post-apocalyptic zone right

1:19:25

terrible like one of my values

1:19:30

so people have wishes they have a hard

1:19:33

realizing their wishes i there's a lot

1:19:36

of ways to do it

1:19:37

and then the theoretical magic way to do

1:19:39

it is

1:19:40

i create a program on a crypto network

1:19:42

in cyberspace it runs on a blockchain

1:19:45

network nobody can stop it ever

1:19:47

it's unstoppable code it's it's

1:19:49

literally a magic spell

1:19:51

um a less intense way is

1:19:55

i power it with crypto network and i use

1:19:58

a combination of people and digital

1:19:59

networks

1:20:00

to do it i think ultimately

1:20:04

people can achieve what they want in a

1:20:05

variety of ways

1:20:07

if i want to be fed i can feed myself by

1:20:10

hunting a deer

1:20:11

i can feed myself by raising chickens i

1:20:13

can feed myself by growing some corn

1:20:16

these are all different ways to achieve

1:20:17

what you want the real key is

1:20:20

i need to have mastered the technology

1:20:23

of hunting

1:20:24

the technology of farming you know

1:20:27

or cultivating animals wildlife

1:20:31

and then the technology of farming and

1:20:33

if i have all three of those

1:20:34

technologies on my fingertips i can mix

1:20:36

and match

1:20:37

then i can actually do

1:20:43

something interesting i think that's the

1:20:43

potential here

1:20:44

what's we talked about

1:20:48

about uh money is power

1:20:52

any sufficiently advanced technology is

1:20:54

indistinguishable from magic

1:20:57

so if you apply advanced technology to

1:20:59

money

1:21:01

then you can give someone magic power so

1:21:04

that the source of magic

1:21:06

power is is providing an instruction

1:21:11

into the digital and crypto

1:21:14

network space and and powering it with

1:21:18

crypto network network space

1:21:20

such that you've cast the spell

1:21:23

in the future or cast the curse into the

1:21:26

future

1:21:27

when you're long gone that's real magic

1:21:30

right

1:21:31

like casting your curse 30 years after i

1:21:34

died that's

1:21:35

depressive magic less but less

1:21:38

interesting and more practical

1:21:39

is i just want to cast a spell while i'm

1:21:41

alive

1:21:42

and then the magic spell i would cast

1:21:44

where i am magician

1:21:46

is i'd go to that park in naples and i

1:21:49

would wave my hand

1:21:50

and it would become a beautiful paradise

1:21:52

with gorgeous trees

1:21:53

and nice grass and water flowing and

1:21:56

clearliness

1:21:57

and safety and free ice cream cones for

1:22:00

the kids

1:22:01

and flowers and happy music

1:22:04

and concerts on the green and it would

1:22:07

be like that

1:22:08

forever because that's my magic

1:22:11

and and by the way in in fantasy

1:22:15

the great magicians the the the demigods

1:22:19

right the powerful wizards

1:22:21

they have magic power they can do that

1:22:23

and the more powerful they are

1:22:25

the longer the spell lacks so if i have

1:22:28

a million dollars i can do it for a year

1:22:31

if i have a hundred million dollars i

1:22:34

can do it forever

1:22:36

if i have a billion dollars i can

1:22:37

allocate ten percent of my power

1:22:40

to do it there forever

1:22:43

magic power right where money is power

1:22:47

right you got enough money you can snap

1:22:50

your fingers materialize a jet it'll fly

1:22:53

you to tokyo

1:22:54

on 10 hours notice it'll cost you about

1:22:56

250 000

1:22:58

if if that's how you want to expend your

1:23:00

energy if you have enough energy it

1:23:02

doesn't matter if you don't have 250 000

1:23:05

right the other part in those in those

1:23:07

magic

1:23:08

stories is the mere mortal

1:23:11

that wants that same that same trip

1:23:15

their life force is sucked out of them

1:23:17

and they are aged 82 years and they die

1:23:19

right if i take a middle-class person

1:23:22

making 72 000

1:23:23

a year and they need to fly from new

1:23:27

to tokyo for 250 000 right

1:23:31

that's all the savings they're ever

1:23:32

going to have i just sucked their life

1:23:35

force

1:23:35

out of them to cast that spell and so

1:23:39

so how much power do you have and how

1:23:42

much magic can you bring to bear

1:23:45

look john d rockefeller had magic he

1:23:47

just did it the old-fashioned way he

1:23:48

went everywhere

1:23:49

and his son did johnny rockefeller jr

1:23:52

they went to

1:23:54

to um all the beautiful places on their

1:23:57

on earth they bought them all up

1:24:00

and then they ended up turning them into

1:24:02

national parks

1:24:03

you know the us virgin islands is a

1:24:06

rockefeller port

1:24:07

saint john they bought acadia

1:24:11

they bought a lot of mountain desert

1:24:13

island made it a national park

1:24:15

grand tetons they bought all that land

1:24:17

made it a national park

1:24:19

most of the land up and down the hudson

1:24:21

river then between they and jp morgan

1:24:23

they bought it made it state park

1:24:26

they're casting spells and he turned it

1:24:31

turned it over to the governmental

1:24:33

organization which was the best

1:24:34

method he had at the time based on

1:24:37

technology right

1:24:38

they gave it to the longest lived

1:24:41

sovereign

1:24:42

power right they did the best they could

1:24:46

right and you know they played the the

1:24:49

cards that were dealt them

1:24:51

those were the cards they were they had

1:24:52

gold they had state governments

1:24:56

they very most of the trust state and

1:24:58

federal trust

1:24:59

that law was written by lawyers paid for

1:25:01

by rockefeller

1:25:04

right so so they created the political

1:25:06

system

1:25:08

i mean i mean you think 501c3 law just

1:25:11

came out of nowhere i mean

1:25:12

on all of these laws they're cr they're

1:25:15

created

1:25:17

john d rockefeller's son married

1:25:20

abby aldridge and abby aldrich

1:25:23

who became abby rockefeller the richest

1:25:26

woman in the world at the time

1:25:28

was this was the daughter of i think

1:25:32

nelson aldridge and nelson aldridge

1:25:35

was the head of the senate banking

1:25:36

committee right

1:25:39

happened to be key in the creation of

1:25:41

the federal reserve but he was one of

1:25:42

the most powerful men in the country

1:25:46

for quite a long time and so

1:25:49

there was a there was an example where

1:25:52

they were working to influence the

1:25:54

political system and

1:25:55

you know and critics say they influence

1:25:57

it to the detriment of people but

1:25:59

you can also see many ways they

1:26:01

influence it to the to the benefit of

1:26:03

people

1:26:04

you know if you've ever enjoyed a

1:26:05

national park half of them were

1:26:07

endowed by guys like rockefeller

1:26:10

right interesting angle yeah so aldrich

1:26:13

aldrich of the aldrich plan

1:26:15

that failed right before the federal

1:26:17

reserve act right

1:26:19

yeah he was from you know all the way

1:26:22

through

1:26:22

19 i don't know 20 or something for 30

1:26:26

years he was adopted

1:26:27

from the center from rhode island right

1:26:30

we could pull the exact stats

1:26:38

so i think that that in a nutshell is um

1:26:38

my views on crypto i think

1:26:41

ultimately we're moving into an exciting

1:26:43

world where people are going to be able

1:26:45

to achieve

1:26:46

great things with a variety

1:26:50

of digital networks and crypto networks

1:26:53

what we can see right now for sure

1:26:55

is there is at least one

1:26:58

successful crypto network bitcoin

1:27:02

there are many successful dominant

1:27:04

digital networks

1:27:05

youtube right google

1:27:09

facebook amazon apple etc

1:27:13

plenty of them and um

1:27:16

and the future is going to be defined by

1:27:18

these networks and

1:27:24

you just got to decide what's the best

1:27:24

tool for the problem

1:27:25

you can solve problems with people

1:27:28

i can pick up the phone i can call you

1:27:31

and say robert buy me a hundred million

1:27:32

dollars worth of bitcoin

1:27:34

and i solve the problem with a person

1:27:40

or i can solve the problem with a

1:27:40

digital network i can go online on

1:27:42

binance

1:27:42

and i can like start typing and trading

1:27:44

and i can buy a hundred million worth of

1:27:46

bitcoin

1:27:47

or i didn't solve the problem with

1:27:49

uniswap

1:27:52

with a decentralized total crypto

1:27:54

network

1:27:56

what will happen we will the market will

1:27:58

determine

1:28:00

what we know is that over time what was

1:28:03

done by people

1:28:04

will start to be done by digital

1:28:06

networks and what was done by digital

1:28:08

networks

1:28:09

may in fact float into crypto networks

1:28:13

to the extent that uh sovereign

1:28:16

immortality

1:28:17

is worth the trouble and if you're gonna

1:28:21

make a crypto network

1:28:23

if people are if they're just doing it

1:28:25

for regulatory arbitrage it's probably

1:28:27

got a 10 year life span and it's shaky

1:28:30

because who's gonna lay down in front of

1:28:32

a tank

1:28:34

for something like the difference

1:28:36

between finance and uniswap

1:28:38

would you sacrifice your life to trade

1:28:40

on uniswap

1:28:41

instead of binance because i wouldn't

1:28:44

let me tell you what they'll lay down on

1:28:45

a tank for

1:28:46

they'll lay down in front of a tank for

1:28:47

freedom for their religious values

1:28:51

for the future of their family for the

1:28:54

for the future of their ideology

1:29:02

you know if they have a passionate

1:29:02

belief they will lay down in front of a

1:29:04

tank in order to defend

1:29:07

the principles of science and justice

1:29:09

and humanity

1:29:10

and truth not everybody

1:29:13

but you don't need everybody you need

1:29:15

the keepers of the flame

1:29:17

you need to maximize the one percent

1:29:20

who are willing to fight and die for the

1:29:23

principles

1:29:25

we hold these truths to be self-evident

1:29:30

we didn't come up with it here today in

1:29:32

this call

1:29:33

it was a basic truth that that founded a

1:29:37

lot of things including

1:29:38

the united states of america and

1:29:41

if you go back to the roman republic

1:29:43

you'll find there were a lot of romans

1:29:45

when the roman republic was healthy and

1:29:47

they were willing to fight

1:29:48

and to die for roman principles

1:29:52

to a certain extent a lot of good romans

1:29:55

assassinated julius caesar because they

1:29:57

thought they were fighting for roman

1:29:58

principles

1:30:00

and a lot of wars were fought over it

1:30:04

so if you really want a crypto to be

1:30:05

successful over 100 years

1:30:07

it's not the technology is only part of

1:30:10

right it's it's the ideology paired with

1:30:14

the technology

1:30:16

and you're going to have to have an

1:30:17

ideology that is so pure

1:30:20

and so straightforward that people will

1:30:22

fight to the death

1:30:24

to defend the ideology and that's why

1:30:28

i'm probably not going to sacrifice my

1:30:30

life for the third

1:30:31

for the 13th iteration on smart

1:30:33

contracts

1:30:35

just it's not it's not that important on

1:30:38

the other hand

1:30:40

if you tell me that we're about to suck

1:30:43

all of the economic energy

1:30:44

out of the civilization and plunge

1:30:47

and plunge ourselves into the dark ages

1:30:50

that i think i'll fight for

1:30:52

that's worth fighting for

1:30:54

[Music]

1:31:01

all right guys that was episode 8 and

1:31:01

man just another big deep dive into

1:31:05

bitcoin and its implications

1:31:07

um globally really so we started the

1:31:10

episode out talking about

1:31:12

the divinity of engineering um and

1:31:16

as sailor mentions which is the the

1:31:18

mascot from mit

1:31:20

um the the beaver right the the reason

1:31:23

the beaver is the mascot

1:31:25

of the this engineering focused school

1:31:27

mit is because the beaver is uh

1:31:30

really special right he actually goes

1:31:32

into nature

1:31:34

and harvests harvest materials and

1:31:37

re-sculpts um uh the flow of rivers

1:31:41

frankly by damming it and

1:31:43

and using his his wits and ability to

1:31:45

build habitable structure for himself

1:31:48

uh his family when he goes to reproduce

1:31:50

so the beaver ends up being this symbol

1:31:53

this divine quality that really life has

1:31:56

which is engineering

1:31:58

um it just this divine quality of

1:32:00

engineering has found its highest

1:32:02

expression in man

1:32:03

right we have uh at least so far as we

1:32:05

know we're the animal most

1:32:07

capable of harnessing this quality that

1:32:11

the ancients would call the logos right

1:32:13

which is its ability

1:32:15

to confront the chaos of nature dissect

1:32:18

it with

1:32:19

uh the categorical capabilities of our

1:32:22

mind and our words

1:32:23

uh communicate about its properties and

1:32:26

qualities to learn

1:32:28

uh about about nature and basically

1:32:31

convert

1:32:32

this unexplored territory up into

1:32:34

explored territory

1:32:35

and convert chaos into good and

1:32:37

habitable order and this is a really

1:32:39

deep and ancient

1:32:40

idea but it's something fundamental to

1:32:42

life and to humans

1:32:45

and you know

1:32:52

civilization itself we can think of is

1:32:52

just a bubble

1:32:54

of this habitable order uh amid the

1:32:57

unlivable entropy of the universe

1:32:59

right you can and you can see this um

1:33:03

even in like where i'm from the the

1:33:05

south southeast united states

1:33:07

there were areas in say mississippi that

1:33:09

were just not habitable whatsoever

1:33:11

before prior to the invention of the air

1:33:13

conditioner so

1:33:15

uh that's maybe one extreme example but

1:33:17

there were literally places

1:33:19

geographic locations on earth that we

1:33:20

simply could not live until we became

1:33:22

sufficiently

1:33:23

advanced technologically and say there

1:33:26

was a great great quote on this

1:33:28

he says quote humans are divine when

1:33:30

they engineer a better habitat for

1:33:32

themselves

1:33:33

and those they love through their

1:33:35

intellect unquote

1:33:37

so again this to me points back to

1:33:40

work right which which bitcoin as we've

1:33:43

discussed

1:33:44

it's money rooted in proof of work as

1:33:47

gold was

1:33:48

um and work itself is a noble pursuit

1:33:52

right it is the

1:33:53

the means by which we convert chaos into

1:33:56

good and useful order

1:33:58

and i would argue that it elevates our

1:34:01

timelessness

1:34:02

right it's actually giving us allowing

1:34:05

us to accomplish greater results with

1:34:06

less efforts

1:34:07

in terms of making productivity gains

1:34:10

it's also lowering our time preference

1:34:14

making us more long-term oriented

1:34:17

and in this process we develop more

1:34:19

morality

1:34:20

more selflessness even and we also

1:34:24

become we develop greater survivability

1:34:26

right as a species so when things

1:34:28

you know the entropy of nature

1:34:30

inevitably creeps in

1:34:32

uh we have the ability to respond to it

1:34:35

right if there's

1:34:35

there's a natural disaster or um

1:34:39

something of that sort we can harness

1:34:41

resources from other pockets of

1:34:43

civilization

1:34:44

and channel them into the affected areas

1:34:45

such as they can recuperate

1:34:47

so i thought that was a just really

1:34:49

interesting topic

1:34:51

um and it points towards

1:34:54

the the instrumentality of bitcoin in

1:34:58

helping

1:34:58

us better focus on this divine quality

1:35:02

right

1:35:03

bitcoin really is money purpose built

1:35:06

uh entrepreneurial experimentation

1:35:09

which involves you know engineering and

1:35:11

problem solving

1:35:13

whereas you could look at something like

1:35:14

fiat currency

1:35:16

much more based on bureaucratic theft

1:35:19

right that we're talking about

1:35:20

individuals and organizations that add

1:35:22

no value to the productive economy and

1:35:24

just siphon value

1:35:25

off of those um that do go out in the

1:35:28

world

1:35:29

and engineer so in that sense by

1:35:32

re-enabling and re-energizing

1:35:34

work itself uh we could we could

1:35:37

view bitcoin as a form of divine money

1:35:40

in a way

1:35:42

and then we got into bitcoin as a medium

1:35:45

of exchange

1:35:47

and there's a bit of a uh you know in

1:35:49

2017 during the bitcoin

1:35:51

cash fork wars there's a bit of delusion

1:35:54

related to this word cash in the white

1:35:56

paper where satoshi

1:35:58

called bitcoin originally peer-to-peer

1:35:59

digital cash

1:36:01

and the thought was at least by you know

1:36:04

say the roger vares of the world who who

1:36:06

represented bitcoin cash that

1:36:08

bitcoin needed to be used in day-to-day

1:36:10

transactions

1:36:13

what this is ignorant of actually is the

1:36:15

original meaning of the word cash

1:36:18

which comes from the french word casse

1:36:21

that's c-a-i-s-s-e

1:36:23

which meant moneybox um and this

1:36:27

was used as a term in the 19th century

1:36:29

to indicate

1:36:30

final settlement so it was a bearer

1:36:32

asset money right physical gold physical

1:36:34

silver was said to be cash

1:36:37

and only in the modern age have we sort

1:36:40

of repurposed

1:36:41

this word to mean the government debt

1:36:44

certificates

1:36:45

uh that we trade with today and call

1:36:46

money so

1:36:48

knowing what a genius satoshi was

1:36:52

i am confident he was clear on this

1:36:55

meaning of cash

1:36:56

and did not mean bitcoin needed to be

1:36:59

as a day-to-day medium exchange to be to

1:37:02

proliferate

1:37:03

and by the way even if he did it doesn't

1:37:05

matter because the market

1:37:07

selects the purpose and utility of a

1:37:11

so bitcoin is being selected has been

1:37:13

selected by the market as a store of

1:37:15

value

1:37:16

um and that that's the direction we

1:37:19

think it'll keep going

1:37:20

so the magic you know of bitcoin if you

1:37:24

is as we've discussed in earlier

1:37:26

episodes this ability to transfer

1:37:28

energy or monetary energy in a lost

1:37:31

minimized way

1:37:32

so you can send energy across time and

1:37:35

space with

1:37:36

with minimal loss essentially and that's

1:37:39

what's important

1:37:40

not the ability or speed uh or low

1:37:43

transaction fee to move it

1:37:46

at a high frequency just doesn't make

1:37:48

any sense so

1:37:51

and you know to sailor's point on that

1:37:55

you'll the bitcoin

1:37:58

network is optimized for survivability

1:38:00

right that's what decentralization is

1:38:02

is that it's a very slow and inefficient

1:38:05

database

1:38:06

but with that slowness and inefficiency

1:38:09

comes maximal redundancy and with that

1:38:12

redundancy comes resistance to

1:38:15

large attacks you know specifically

1:38:17

nation-state level attacks which would

1:38:19

be the most powerful organization in the

1:38:21

world today

1:38:22

and so if you're going to if you needed

1:38:25

a medium for high

1:38:26

frequency transactions you're always

1:38:28

going to get

1:38:29

a million times more economy and

1:38:31

efficiency moving to a centralized

1:38:33

system like paypal venmo apple pay visa

1:38:36

whatever

1:38:37

um because that you know the database

1:38:40

only needs to be updated once

1:38:41

versus bitcoin it has to be replicated

1:38:44

everywhere

1:38:44

and and nowhere you know across all

1:38:47

nodes and miners

1:38:48

so that is that's the trade-off and

1:38:50

we'll get into more of that

1:38:52

shortly but in a nutshell i like the

1:38:54

description so

1:38:55

it uses that bitcoin is a low frequency

1:38:58

medium of exchange

1:38:59

meaning you only need to move it

1:39:01

occasionally maybe never if you custody

1:39:03

it correctly

1:39:04

but it's a high frequency store value

1:39:06

right so every time

1:39:08

you're holding you're using it right so

1:39:11

the people that argue that bitcoin

1:39:12

doesn't have any utility they don't

1:39:13

understand

1:39:14

this economic principle whatsoever

1:39:17

and further to that even if you wanted

1:39:21

if you absolutely wanted to use bitcoin

1:39:22

as a medium exchange

1:39:23

most tax codes in the world today are

1:39:25

hostile to that right they'll actually

1:39:27

trigger capital gains realization at

1:39:29

each transaction so

1:39:31

really suppresses its use as a medium of

1:39:33

exchange

1:39:35

and another way to think about this

1:39:40

it gets a little more complicated but

1:39:40

actually when you're holding something

1:39:42

as a store value

1:39:48

trades are not just with other people

1:39:48

trades are also with ourselves like

1:39:50

infinite slices of our future self so

1:39:52

every time you choose to hold

1:39:54

cash or hold bitcoin or gold uh cash in

1:39:57

its original sense and not

1:39:59

trade it you are basically trading with

1:40:01

your future self

1:40:02

so you are giving away uh the

1:40:06

the opportunity that the cash could have

1:40:08

otherwise been treated for right

1:40:09

whatever its

1:40:10

cash value on the market is it could go

1:40:12

out and buy you

1:40:13

x assets you're you're forgoing

1:40:16

those assets and choosing to hold the

1:40:19

optionality of cash right whereas those

1:40:21

assets may have real yield right they

1:40:22

may have they may be productive assets

1:40:25

you know rent generating real estate or

1:40:26

whatever it may be

1:40:28

whereas um hard money doesn't actually

1:40:31

create a yield

1:40:33

um so you're

1:40:36

actually the most trades you do

1:40:39

in life are not actually with present

1:40:42

others but they are with your future

1:40:44

self right all these infinite slices of

1:40:45

your future self

1:40:47

and um and your every

1:40:50

action or inaction even is a set of

1:40:54

trades with those future slices of

1:40:56

yourself so

1:40:58

um we could look at the actual store

1:41:01

value function

1:41:02

truly being much more important as a

1:41:05

medium of exchange than a

1:41:06

present medium of exchange with present

1:41:08

others um so i think that's just an

1:41:10

interesting way to conceive of money

1:41:12

um and that is it's something

1:41:16

that you're holding on to to

1:41:19

have maximum optionality into the future

1:41:22

and that

1:41:23

holding is a trade with you even though

1:41:25

it's not a trade with others

1:41:28

um and this also dovetailed into you

1:41:31

know why sailor chooses not to

1:41:32

compensate people in bitcoin and why he

1:41:34

thinks it's a bad idea to do so

1:41:36

because again if you're using it

1:41:37

primarily as a store value you may not

1:41:39

sell it

1:41:40

ever or for say at least 100 years by

1:41:43

choosing to compensate people on bitcoin

1:41:45

you're accelerating that tax bill 100

1:41:47

years into the future so that's a really

1:41:48

bad idea

1:41:49

uh you're also increasing the accounting

1:41:51

complexity uh of the business which

1:41:53

would be the payor and the payee

1:41:55

right they both need to mark bitcoin to

1:41:57

market at each point of transaction

1:42:00

uh you'd also be forcing if say you're

1:42:02

compensating your employees with bitcoin

1:42:04

you're forcing them to sell it later

1:42:05

right to actually cover the tax bill

1:42:07

that's generated as a result so that

1:42:09

doesn't make a lot of sense

1:42:11

um and yet in a nutshell as as

1:42:14

sailor said the ethos of bitcoin is

1:42:16

self-responsibility so

1:42:19

you should pay and settle in whatever

1:42:21

the generally accepted medium of

1:42:23

exchange is right the one that the

1:42:25

tax code is not hostile against which

1:42:27

tends to be currency

1:42:28

and then if you have savings you have

1:42:30

excess currency or excess assets

1:42:33

you would as soon it does sweep them

1:42:35

into your savings or your treasury for

1:42:37

long term storage that's the optimal and

1:42:40

intelligent and low complexity strategy

1:42:44

and we got into

1:42:48

a bit about how you know optionality

1:42:51

itself

1:42:54

is freedom right the more options you

1:42:56

have the more free

1:42:57

you are we'd say as um

1:43:00

and this has direct impact on the

1:43:03

stability of society

1:43:04

uh and sailor quoted robert highland

1:43:07

there's a quote an armed society as a

1:43:09

polite society

1:43:11

so to tie that back to bitcoin capital

1:43:15

it's like when people have this option

1:43:18

of capital flight they have this

1:43:19

perpetual option to move their money

1:43:22

across domain across time across

1:43:25

custodian

1:43:26

um and settled finality you know near

1:43:29

nearly instantly

1:43:31

that governments and institutions

1:43:34

and uh you know service providers

1:43:36

they're to tend to be more respectful

1:43:39

because the customer holding the capital

1:43:42

has such a high degree of optionality

1:43:45

and so you can think about this too when

1:43:48

you go to the

1:43:49

amusement park just to name one example

1:43:52

the food and drink cost in an amusement

1:43:55

park tend to be really

1:43:57

high right a soda that you may pay

1:44:00

i don't know three dollars for at your

1:44:02

local convenience store

1:44:04

might be eight or ten dollars in that

1:44:06

amusement park

1:44:07

and it's because the amusement park

1:44:09

amusement park has what's called a

1:44:11

captive audience premium

1:44:13

right you have no other choice you have

1:44:15

no other options

1:44:16

to buy food or drink once you are inside

1:44:18

the bounds of that amusement park

1:44:20

and they can effectively charge you

1:44:21

monopoly style prices

1:44:24

um and if you

1:44:27

look at bitcoin and capital through that

1:44:30

lens it's kind of removing this captive

1:44:32

audience

1:44:33

premium that legacy financial

1:44:35

institutions tended to have or nation

1:44:37

states tended to have

1:44:38

over users and we could say that you

1:44:43

if users have the ability to move the

1:44:46

money whenever they want

1:44:47

they don't actually need to it's just

1:44:49

the fact that that option

1:44:51

exists keeps everyone honest keeps

1:44:53

everyone

1:44:54

um listening to one another's

1:44:56

preferences because no one wants

1:44:59

uh you know the capital to move so

1:45:02

i think the point of this is that

1:45:05

a symmetry of options symmetry of

1:45:08

optionality

1:45:09

between see buyer and seller

1:45:12

and stability of the rules and protocols

1:45:15

to which they interact

1:45:16

this is the bedrock of peace this is

1:45:18

what preserves peace

1:45:21

and but when you get asymmetries right

1:45:23

when one group has a lot of optionality

1:45:26

over another

1:45:26

that's when you get predatory treatment

1:45:30

and i would say central banking falls

1:45:32

much more into that model where they get

1:45:35

perpetual call option on society

1:45:37

basically that they can

1:45:39

allocate cash into businesses you know

1:45:41

the the shareholder

1:45:43

values being increased dividends are

1:45:45

being paid and if there's ever a shock

1:45:46

to the economy

1:45:49

and the institutions that have deployed

1:45:50

that capital into

1:45:52

risky positions get wiped out well the

1:45:54

central bank just

1:45:55

siphons more value from the productive

1:45:57

economy through printing money and

1:45:58

allocates again so it's a heads island

1:46:00

tells you lose

1:46:02

situation um for central banks over

1:46:05

productive economies so bitcoin is just

1:46:08

eliminating this this captive audience

1:46:10

premium

1:46:11

or asymmetry of optionality if you will

1:46:14

and another

1:46:17

way to think about this too is to get

1:46:20

back into bitcoin is money

1:46:23

we can actually consider the monetary

1:46:25

premium itself on an asset

1:46:27

has its optionality value if you will so

1:46:31

the more

1:46:31

tradeable an asset is the more

1:46:35

a component of its market value is its

1:46:37

expected future exchange

1:46:40

so for instance if ammo

1:46:43

right has a very specific use

1:46:46

it can be put into a gun and fired and

1:46:48

the gun can be used to

1:46:50

kill people or animals or whatever but

1:46:53

in a uh say an environment of ammunition

1:46:57

scarcity people may also be willing to

1:46:59

trade

1:47:00

other goods and services for that

1:47:01

ammunition so that ammunition will start

1:47:04

to trade at a premium

1:47:06

not just for its utility value not that

1:47:08

its utility value has increased a lot

1:47:09

necessarily but that is exchange value

1:47:11

or its optionality value has increased

1:47:14

um and the extreme example of this would

1:47:16

be gold right gold has a

1:47:19

i think we're at almost 12 trillion

1:47:21

dollar market cap for gold

1:47:23

the industrial demand for that is i

1:47:25

think it's around

1:47:27

less than 2 trillion i want to say it's

1:47:28

closer to 1 trillion the rest of that

1:47:31

demand or the rest of that market gap

1:47:33

for gold is reservation demand for gold

1:47:35

as money right because it best fulfilled

1:47:37

the properties of money which made it

1:47:39

maximally exchangeable across space and

1:47:42

so and in that lens too we could

1:47:45

say that bitcoin is like the world's

1:47:48

first

1:47:48

pure money it's pure monetary premium

1:47:51

there's not really an industrial use

1:47:53

beneath it

1:47:55

some have argued that actually the the

1:47:57

transaction

1:47:58

network was kind of the original utility

1:48:01

that bootstrapped

1:48:03

its monetary premium premium into

1:48:05

existence maybe you can make that

1:48:06

argument

1:48:07

but uh the point is that it's a

1:48:11

tool of pure optionality because it's

1:48:13

pure monetary premium

1:48:16

where you could look at things that are

1:48:17

less tradable would be a much larger

1:48:20

component of their market value would be

1:48:22

their

1:48:22

use their industrial use value versus

1:48:25

their trading value

1:48:26

so money exists on this gradient is the

1:48:28

point right like

1:48:29

something that's very not tradable very

1:48:33

like say highly non-fungible very

1:48:35

specific

1:48:37

uh you know purple telescopes or

1:48:38

something like weird like that

1:48:41

uh would have it'd be valued just on its

1:48:44

mostly just on its use right not on its

1:48:46

expected future exchange value but

1:48:48

something like bitcoin

1:48:49

at the other end of the other end of the

1:48:51

spectrum and money itself

1:48:54

is valued based on its expected future

1:48:57

exchange value

1:48:57

essentially so and um i think it was

1:49:01

naval

1:49:03

so that money is the bubble that never

1:49:05

pops because this

1:49:06

delta between market and industrial use

1:49:09

value

1:49:10

has been called a bubble by some people

1:49:14

but what it actually is is underlying

1:49:16

that is the value of the monetary

1:49:17

properties

1:49:18

giving rise to that exchange ability

1:49:21

so that got us into bitcoin as a unit of

1:49:25

account

1:49:26

um and sailor had a great quote on this

1:49:28

he said quote

1:49:30

he expects that quote bitcoin will be

1:49:33

a universal language of economic truth

1:49:35

unquote

1:49:37

and i fully agree um

1:49:40

it is the predictability of the supply

1:49:43

of money

1:49:44

that gives rice rise to its utility and

1:49:47

pricing other goods and services

1:49:49

that's what gold was it had the most

1:49:52

predictable

1:49:53

supply of any monetary metal and that's

1:49:57

uh all of the liquidity and market

1:49:58

capitalization

1:50:00

coalesced to gold um

1:50:03

and that's two like we used for that

1:50:05

reason we used to think

1:50:06

actually in ounces of gold even dollars

1:50:09

themselves

1:50:10

represented ounces of gold originally um

1:50:14

because it was another way to think

1:50:16

about is the

1:50:17

time and energy of market actors that

1:50:19

produce every good and service in the

1:50:20

world

1:50:21

this tool money or gold

1:50:24

most closely mapped onto the absolute

1:50:27

scarcity of time and energy so gold was

1:50:30

the supply curve that was closest to the

1:50:33

absolute

1:50:34

immutable uh perfectly scarce supply

1:50:38

curve

1:50:39

if you will of time and energy

1:50:42

and this gave it the ability

1:50:45

to basically generate prices that were

1:50:48

generally the most stable not saying

1:50:50

they were enforced stability but they

1:50:52

were just

1:50:53

tended to be most stable because gold

1:50:56

had the lowest

1:50:57

and most predictable inflation uh which

1:51:00

also meant

1:51:00

prices were most useful in calculation

1:51:02

right they weren't fluctuating wildly

1:51:04

all the time

1:51:05

and they were communicable so we could

1:51:06

we could actually start to just think in

1:51:08

ounces of gold

1:51:09

for goods and services instead of

1:51:10

needing to think and all these countless

1:51:12

exchange ratios you know like how many

1:51:14

chairs a car is worth or whatever it may

1:51:16

have been

1:51:18

so i agree that bitcoin is going to go

1:51:21

that way

1:51:21

um but as far as where it is today

1:51:25

i love this point see they're saying

1:51:27

there's a lot of infighting

1:51:28

in the crypto community about you know

1:51:30

is bitcoin going to be the thing or

1:51:32

ethereum or this or that but it's all

1:51:34

essentially pointless uh because as he

1:51:36

described you know

1:51:38

the crypto asset ecosystem at the time

1:51:41

we recorded was around a 300 billion

1:51:43

dollar pond

1:51:45

sitting next to a 300 trillion dollar

1:51:48

ocean of assets which a lot of them

1:51:51

are just intended to hold value over

1:51:54

time right store value assets so

1:51:57

say gold bonds real estate

1:52:00

all fall into this this ocean and

1:52:05

that's where our energy should be

1:52:06

focused right is actually

1:52:09

uh carving a little spillway

1:52:13

from the ocean into the pond here um

1:52:16

not competing amongst ourselves because

1:52:20

you know frankly as we've covered in

1:52:22

previous episodes

1:52:24

bitcoin is just highly resistant to

1:52:26

disruption as money you know it's not to

1:52:28

say that other crypto assets won't

1:52:29

succeed

1:52:30

in some something orthogonal to money

1:52:32

something that's not

1:52:33

the market for money this technology may

1:52:36

have other use cases there's a lot of

1:52:37

fury out there

1:52:39

but today it's just not proven so

1:52:42

i agree completely that our focus

1:52:45

as educators or ambassadors for bitcoin

1:52:48

needs to be geared towards

1:52:50

those still um

1:52:54

holding and interacting with these other

1:52:56

alternative stores of value so they can

1:52:57

understand

1:52:59

why bitcoin is you know as we described

1:53:02

earlier

1:53:02

essentially possibly the sole store

1:53:05

value asset for the 21st century the

1:53:07

only way you could successfully

1:53:09

transfer value 100 years into the future

1:53:13

with lease loss so i agree with that

1:53:15

completely

1:53:17

uh we then jumped into crypto versus

1:53:19

digital

1:53:20

networks and again

1:53:23

crypto network we can think of as a

1:53:26

decentralized consensus

1:53:28

model uh and this is using sailors

1:53:31

nomenclature the the digital network

1:53:33

would be a centralized

1:53:35

consensus right so just sort of one

1:53:37

entity

1:53:38

or or decision decision making body

1:53:41

deciding

1:53:42

and there are different use cases for

1:53:44

the two and there are trade-offs between

1:53:46

clearly so crypto network

1:53:50

would be useful for establishing what

1:53:52

sailor calls immortal sovereignty

1:53:54

or anti-fragility which means they are

1:53:56

able to persist

1:53:57

over time right decentralized crypto

1:54:01

networks have a high degree of

1:54:02

survivability

1:54:04

and they impart properties like trust

1:54:07

minimization security and duration

1:54:09

so you don't need to trust the

1:54:12

centralized

1:54:13

decision-making body instead you trust

1:54:16

the aggregate self-interest of all

1:54:18

market actors in a decentralized network

1:54:21

um and this is you know clearly this is

1:54:23

gold or this is bitcoin right

1:54:25

these are um it again gold

1:54:28

not it's not built on cryptography per

1:54:33

but the inability of producers to create

1:54:37

gold in a lab right basically meant that

1:54:40

the whole world

1:54:42

was decentralized around gold as money

1:54:45

there was no political actor that could

1:54:46

control

1:54:47

it until you know central banks

1:54:51

accumulated a large uh stake in the

1:54:53

supply and started manipulating it

1:54:54

in the gold derivatives market which

1:54:56

we've talked about before

1:54:58

so on the other end of the spectrum from

1:55:00

crypto network is a digital network

1:55:02

which is useful

1:55:05

for uh as opposed to survivability it's

1:55:09

useful

1:55:09

for squeezing efficiency out of a system

1:55:12

right eliminating

1:55:14

redundancy where decentralized network

1:55:16

is going to be fully redundant

1:55:18

right you think about all these nodes

1:55:19

and miners all over the world all

1:55:21

running a copy of bitcoin

1:55:22

and updating all the time so it's a huge

1:55:24

expenditure of energy

1:55:26

to establish redundancy a digital

1:55:29

network is going to just have

1:55:30

one sort of record base that can be

1:55:33

updated

1:55:33

very quickly very low latency very low

1:55:36

redundancy

1:55:38

so the properties that it imparts are

1:55:40

economy performance functionality and

1:55:42

compliance

1:55:44

and to draw back to the you know we say

1:55:46

gold is kind of decentralized money we

1:55:48

could say

1:55:49

fiat is more like a centralized money so

1:55:52

because gold was expensive to move

1:55:56

across space we could introduce

1:56:00

this centralized database on top of it

1:56:03

called fiat currency that let us do

1:56:04

ledger entries really quickly

1:56:06

in gold but uh this so we picked up

1:56:10

all this transactability across space

1:56:12

but we introduced this

1:56:14

attack vector for intermediaries that

1:56:16

actually compromised gold's

1:56:18

store value function all the time so

1:56:24

i thought that was an interesting way to

1:56:24

look at it and you know

1:56:26

the only as we discussed

1:56:29

the only market proven crypto network in

1:56:32

the world today is

1:56:33

non-state digital store value bitcoin

1:56:36

everything else is theoretical

1:56:38

um this is not to say that actually a

1:56:40

digital network

1:56:41

can't evolve into a crypto network so

1:56:45

it's kind of like it reminded me of our

1:56:47

earlier discussion of the steel age

1:56:49

where

1:56:50

newly charted industrial spaces tend to

1:56:53

have monopolists went out in the

1:56:55

beginning

1:56:56

and then those among those monopolists

1:56:57

set standards and then over time that

1:56:59

market becomes commodified

1:57:01

and tends back toward a more freely

1:57:04

competitive domain

1:57:05

based on those standards so it's as if

1:57:14

decentral or a sorry digital network

1:57:14

could establish

1:57:15

certain protocol standards for a

1:57:17

decentralized network

1:57:18

and then you know turn over the keys so

1:57:21

to speak to the free market and then

1:57:23

if there was uh sufficient demand for

1:57:26

whatever utility it's providing

1:57:27

it could become decentralized over time

1:57:29

if handled correctly

1:57:31

um we haven't really seen that yet we've

1:57:34

seen some

1:57:35

some attempts at it but i don't think

1:57:37

we've seen it done really cleanly yet

1:57:40

and but this evolution a successful

1:57:43

evolution

1:57:45

from a digital two-way crypto network

1:57:47

would require

1:57:48

sufficient differentiation um

1:57:52

one that would end up being useful as a

1:57:55

competitive advantage essentially in

1:57:57

this this uh

1:57:59

market-driven natural selection process

1:58:01

so it wouldn't

1:58:02

be again i think bitcoin's already run

1:58:05

and won

1:58:05

the race for money so it would have to

1:58:07

be a different market

1:58:10

and would also also have to it's

1:58:13

difficult it's really difficult to

1:58:14

accomplish this differentiation

1:58:17

given bitcoin's capacity to absorb other

1:58:20

competitor feature set

1:58:22

and in the biological sense we call this

1:58:24

horizontal gene transfer

1:58:26

where in brandon quotum has written

1:58:28

talked about this

1:58:29

mycelium has its ability when it

1:58:31

encounters a threat in the environment

1:58:33

if it neutralizes the threat and

1:58:35

consumes it whatever like a competing

1:58:38

mycelium or an insect or whatever it can

1:58:41

actually

1:58:42

digest its genetic code and incorporate

1:58:45

that information into its own genetic

1:58:47

so we typically think of animals having

1:58:49

vertical gene transfer right from parent

1:58:51

to offspring

1:58:53

but there's something uh more

1:58:54

competitive in nature this this

1:58:56

horizontal gene transfer

1:58:58

where you can just slurp up genetic

1:59:00

material from competitors and bitcoin

1:59:02

exhibits app

1:59:03

in the digital domain so the point is

1:59:05

that the differentiation necessary

1:59:08

for a digital network to evolve into a

1:59:10

crypto network

1:59:11

would have to overcome this uh this

1:59:14

horizontal gene transfer of bitcoin as

1:59:16

well which would otherwise just absorb

1:59:18

it and render

1:59:19

the um attempted evolution

1:59:22

unnecessary um

1:59:25

so finally we got into this concept

1:59:29

of immortal sovereignty which that was

1:59:30

incredibly interesting

1:59:32

and when you think about this is

1:59:34

channeling one's preferences beyond

1:59:36

one's own life uh this is not a new idea

1:59:39

actually

1:59:40

you know sailor gave this sort of

1:59:42

general example if he wanted to buy

1:59:44

flowers

1:59:45

for everyone in his family for the next

1:59:47

100 years on that birthday how would he

1:59:48

accomplish that

1:59:50

um and he drew on examples from from

1:59:53

john d rockefeller

1:59:55

and he said you know rockefeller would

1:59:58

have established

1:59:59

using the tech of his time this

2:00:01

quote-unquote immortal sovereignty

2:00:03

by either establishing a non-profit

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foundation an endowment a university or

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possibly even a national state park

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and but this necessitated really big

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numbers

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and was limited to just a few you know

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ultra rich people that could do it

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um and again these are uh you know

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rockefeller was alive i guess almost 100

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years ago now

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you're talking about 100 million in

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assets and 5 million a year operating

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budget

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in 1920 so

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big big numbers were necessary to

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achieve

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this uh moral sovereignty that bitcoin

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delivers to us in a much much more cost

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effective way today

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and then additionally no matter what you

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set up foundation endowment university

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you would still suffer uh this

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counterparty risk

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because you'd have to trust the

2:00:48

institution you have to trust the

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government protecting the institution

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um but bitcoin gives us an interesting

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thing which is

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a monetary layer that enables us to

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de-materialize

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these institutions but still achieve

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something similar this is this immortal

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sovereignty if you will

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and it does this because it gives you

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can actually assign

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the trustees you know let's say a

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multi-sig setup

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keys to the funds to accomplish the aims

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of the

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the i guess you'd call the digital

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foundation

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but they would have because

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they wouldn't their property rights

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wouldn't be

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exposed to counterparty risk right in

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the form of the institution or the

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government

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they actually get gain a great deal of

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dynamism

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to roll with

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or get through geopolitical changes such

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that they could preserve

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the original mission of that institution

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so you can think of it as a mortal

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sovereignty of just a much lower cost

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which i think speaks to the grander

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vision of bitcoin right it's like what

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why do we have these stories like the

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nation state

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and and universities organizing us

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and what is possible when we

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instead maximize the sovereignty of the

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individual like how

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how relevant do those institutions

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remain

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and you know the other example he gave

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is like if you wanted to host your

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website reading material for a thousand

2:02:20

years into the future

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you could code all kinds of interesting

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rules around that like maybe

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requiring people to pass a test and

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become a certified

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um certified student of your knowledge

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and then maybe they gain a voting right

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to choose the next trustee of the

2:02:36

institution

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and it becomes this kind of dynamic

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digital

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autonomous democratic organization that

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just rolls forward in time

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so it gets really you know it's really

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wild when you imagine the possibilities

2:02:52

and it points towards

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all the new institutional possibilities

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enabled by bitcoin

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um which my opinion calls into question

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the structure and the purpose of the

2:03:02

firm today

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so bitcoin gives us

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this monetary layer capable of

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de-materializing

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uh these institutions we've needed in

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the past

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for sovereignty right to to establish

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let's say they're called immortal

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sovereignty and

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it does it in a way that empowers the

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trustees of these organizations

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to be self-sovereign so that they can

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actually resist

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geopolitical sea changes and adapt to uh

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changing political climates over time

2:03:39

whereas historically

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you would have needed to trust that

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institution itself and should it

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be invaded um you know say in war war

2:03:47

time or broken down

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due to a a civil dispute within the

2:03:51

country then you would have lost

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uh the sovereignty that you um would

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have vested

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uh trust in the the the state park or or

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whatever

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the will you were trying to project

2:04:03

beyond your life it would have been

2:04:04

its fate would have been vested with the

2:04:07

survivability and sovereignty of that

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institution

2:04:10

so bitcoin by being a

2:04:13

monetary base layer that maximizes the

2:04:15

sovereignty of individuals

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and being optimized for survivability

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actually gives us a whole new way of

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establishing

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uh this immortal sovereignty across time

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another way to think about that is you

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know bitcoin is

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collapsing the cost of money right it's

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collapsing transaction costs it's

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collapsing

2:04:36

the cost of satisfying the functions of

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the central bank

2:04:40

and it also just collapses this cost of

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immoral sovereignty

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which again you know the rockefellers

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needed

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100 million dollars in assets and a 5

2:04:48

million annual operating budget to

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achieve uh to establish the rockefeller

2:04:53

foundation now you can do that

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in theory at least with just a much

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smaller bitcoin stash and some software

2:05:00

and some some really long-term strategic

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thinking

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i like the analogy too that

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sailor used if you wanted to say host

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your website reading materials for a

2:05:14

course of a thousand years

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you could actually chop up the keys to

2:05:20

that institution the endowment the

2:05:21

bitcoin endowment for that institution

2:05:23

give it to five trustees um encode a set

2:05:27

of rules such that people have to read

2:05:29

your materials and pass a test to maybe

2:05:32

gain a voting right so that they get to

2:05:34

decide who replaces

2:05:35

each the succession to each trustee

2:05:38

um and in that way the thing kind of

2:05:40

becomes this decentralized autonomous

2:05:43

organization over time

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that just preserves your will and

2:05:48

testament which was to have this body of

2:05:50

knowledge

2:05:51

go into the future for the benefit of

2:05:52

humanity so i thought that was really

2:05:54

cool and

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points towards uh just the new

2:05:57

possibilities

2:05:59

that bitcoin brings into the world

2:06:02

um and that

2:06:05

it not only causes us to question

2:06:09

the purpose of the firm itself and other

2:06:12

other organizational models we use

2:06:14

but it's also kind of like creating

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something that's truly timeless

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and this is what i thought sailor what

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he called these quote

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uh creating monuments in cyberspace

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unquote i thought that was a really cool

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way to look at it

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is that by gaining immoral sovereignty

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through

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bitcoin-enabled institutions we can

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actually create things

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uh that well outlive us

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yet still um are

2:06:41

shaped and influenced by our our living

2:06:43

will and testament beyond our own life

2:06:45

so i thought that was really cool

2:06:48

and finally we got into a topic we

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touched on earlier which was

2:06:52

that money is power and we combined it

2:06:55

with another topic that we touched on

2:06:56

previously is that

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sufficiently advanced technology is

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magic

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so by combining these two concepts

2:07:04

we say that a sufficiently advanced

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monetary technology

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is magical power effectively

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and it lets its users cast spells or

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curses um and one of you know

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on the spell side we went into this park

2:07:22

in naples

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that necessarily described as surrounded

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by wealth

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but for whatever reason was not

2:07:27

receiving an adequate allocation of that

2:07:29

wealth

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to preserve uh the park and keep it

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pristine

2:07:34

so again to establish an immortal

2:07:37

sovereignty historically like the

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rockefellers they had to go out and buy

2:07:40

up this land

2:07:42

and basically turn it into national

2:07:43

parks because they were they were then

2:07:46

vesting their will and testament with

2:07:49

the longest lived

2:07:51

sovereign power of the time which was

2:07:53

the nation state

2:07:54

uh to see that it would to maximize the

2:07:58

chances

2:07:59

of preserving um their intention across

2:08:03

whereas and the point there was even

2:08:05

more interesting is that the 501c3

2:08:08

non-profit foundation laws are actually

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written by rockefeller's attorneys

2:08:13

so again this shows the relationship

2:08:16

between money and government you know

2:08:17

people the common misconception is that

2:08:20

government is the originator of money

2:08:22

but what is in fact true

2:08:24

is that money is the originator of

2:08:25

government um

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the that wealth itself

2:08:30

tends to shape the laws around it that

2:08:34

determine

2:08:34

it's its management preservation and

2:08:37

distribution over time

2:08:39

so i thought that was a great point to

2:08:41

touch on and then on the other side

2:08:43

where we talk about casting a curse

2:08:46

we didn't talk a lot about this but just

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thinking out loud if you had a

2:08:51

an organization like anonymous which is

2:08:54

anonymous set of computer hackers

2:08:56

distributed all over the world

2:08:57

you could in theory funded them in

2:08:59

perpetuity right with a bitcoin

2:09:02

based smart contract enabled endowment

2:09:05

um that would effectively fund uh

2:09:08

their their hacking attempts or or

2:09:11

attempts to

2:09:12

say dissolve the power structures of

2:09:15

government or

2:09:15

or um to remedy any government

2:09:18

mistreatment of

2:09:20

civilians things like that so it could

2:09:22

be used

2:09:23

in both a a defensive way

2:09:26

right say to defend the park in naples

2:09:28

but could also be used offensively to

2:09:30

attack

2:09:30

uh hostile organizations like like

2:09:33

national government

2:09:35

so and that just all

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it's just an incredible way to think

2:09:42

about how many

2:09:45

ways bitcoin not only shapes and

2:09:48

influences our wills and

2:09:49

our willpower and intention you know by

2:09:52

lowering our time preference and

2:09:53

elevating our morality

2:09:54

but also gives us this medium through

2:09:56

which to project it over

2:09:58

much longer time

2:10:01

and space horizons so it really is one

2:10:04

of those tools that's just radically

2:10:06

reshaping who we are

2:10:08

and uh in that sense you'd kind of

2:10:10

consider it

2:10:12

you know we talked we touched on the

2:10:13

religious aspects of bitcoin but even if

2:10:15

you just stripped that out and said it's

2:10:16

just an ideology

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it isn't it is perhaps one of the most

2:10:20

pure and principled ideologies

2:10:23

there's ever been right it's just if you

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respect

2:10:26

you know fairness equality natural law

2:10:29

thermal dynamics mathematics

2:10:32

um you know freedom that's what bitcoin

2:10:35

positively embodies essentially and

2:10:39

this is such a pure and pristine

2:10:42

ideology

2:10:43

is something people find

2:10:46

worth fighting and even dying for

2:10:49

so it does have these qualities again of

2:10:52

of a religion or of its own independent

2:10:55

nation state if you will

2:10:58

again it's just challenging all of our

2:11:00

language even to describe what it is so

2:11:02

although we focus on its its monetary

2:11:06

properties and exploring it

2:11:08

as money you know by asking this

2:11:09

question what is money

2:11:11

i think we come to see bitcoin is even

2:11:15

much more than that or perhaps even

2:11:16

seeing money is much more than that

2:11:17

money is foundational

2:11:20

it's like the base operating system to

2:11:22

all these higher order

2:11:23

operating systems we have like uh you

2:11:26

know the nation state and religious

2:11:28

institutions and et cetera et cetera

2:11:30

so as i said once before you know

2:11:33

bitcoin people come to bitcoin for the

2:11:37

profits

2:11:37

i think almost everyone's drawn in by

2:11:39

number go up

2:11:40

but i think the people that really come

2:11:42

and stay and find

2:11:44

roots in bitcoin and purpose and meaning

2:11:47

in devoting their lives to this space

2:11:51

um they stay for the principles

2:11:54

you know so it's bitcoin come for the

2:11:57

profits stay for the principles

2:11:58

um so that was it that was episode 8

2:12:01

guys i hope you enjoyed that one

2:12:03

uh this has just been a dynamite series

2:12:06

so far we've got at least one episode

2:12:09

so look forward to that i'll see you

2:12:11

back to the next one

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