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Bitcoin’s Seven Layers of Security #2 | The Saylor Series | Episode 15 (WiM059)

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so we're talking about the seven layers

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of security and the proof-of-work

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network

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and the first layer is energy and the

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second layer is technology and the third

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layer is political

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and um in all these cases bitcoin is

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becoming more secure more long-lived

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because it's co-opting

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uh important actors in each of these

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three areas

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we need a network of politicians

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to defend the network

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you need a network of technology

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providers and semiconductor providers in

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order to secure it

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we need a network of energy providers to

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secure it the fourth area that's

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fascinating to me is

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the financial

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dimension of security of bitcoin

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because miners are capital intensive

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you need capital

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uh to build the mining facilities and to

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acquire the rigs and to do the

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engineering

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so that capital comes from outside the

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bitcoin system so it's u.s dollar

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capital for the most part

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or it's currency equivalence

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bitcoin miners therefore are recruiting

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a network

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fiat investors

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there's a whole set of conventional

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investors

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they can't buy bitcoin

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or they wouldn't buy bitcoin but they

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would buy an operating company

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that mines bitcoin

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kind of like people that don't want to

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own gold but they want to own gold

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mining companies

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so this is incredibly stabilizing for

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the network because

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for example

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today the news was fidelity had bought

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seven percent of marathon

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so a big

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credible um

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traditional investor

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i think fidelity has like two trillion

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dollars trillions of dollars of capital

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and 20 million

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customers

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and they've been around forever

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right that company is now invested in

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a bitcoin miner

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how does bitcoin benefit well

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now you've got hundreds of millions of

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dollars to lose if the bitcoin miner

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fails and so the investor

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has a vested interest in protecting

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their interest

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and so bitcoin recruits

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a whole network of legal

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marketing

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and political lobbying capability

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as it recruits investors

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there are trillions and trillions of

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dollars

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in the conventional economy

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that for legal reasons or political

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reasons or business reasons or tax

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reasons

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or practical reasons and technical

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they can't buy bitcoin

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but they can

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buy a security based on bitcoin

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so in fact from their point of view

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they would prefer to buy the publicly

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traded company or

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if you're a public company investor

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you would prefer to buy a publicly

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traded company and if you're a private

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investor you prefer to buy the stock of

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a privately traded company

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and that's just what their pool of

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capital does

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if you want to co-opt that financial

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network of investors you need a capital

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intensive use of proceeds

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so bitcoin mining is capital intensive

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and proof of work is capital intensive

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if i snap my fingers

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and i go say the proof of stake and you

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don't actually need to buy equipment

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and you don't need to engineer the

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facility

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and you don't need to buy the energy

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then you don't need the capital

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well then you don't need the investor

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then you don't need the investment

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banker

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then you don't need the market they

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trade in

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i guess then you don't need the support

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of the congressmen the senators and the

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regulators they know

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and you probably don't need the media

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journalists that they talk to

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you're losing all of that

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right and you're also starting to look

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you've created your own

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different system

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okay you created a virtual world

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where

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the politicians and the media and the

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capital and the bankers in the other

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world are irrelevant

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you created your imaginary world right

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and bitcoin

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bitcoin mining bridges

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the bitcoin universe the you know the

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crypto asset of bitcoin with the

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physical

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and the political universe

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and if if money

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money is uh

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it's socio-economic

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energy

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well there's two elements that the

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energy part says that it needs to be

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thermodynamically sound and conservative

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and correct

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but the social economic part says

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you need the politicians

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and you need the media and you need the

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influencers right

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the the process by which i construct

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bitcoin mining companies is a process of

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recruiting the support

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of bankers

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investors politicians and influencers

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as well as technologists

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and energy producers

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that is a virtuous process

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that that is actually the hard work you

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could think of it is

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as when you're building a bitcoin mine

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that's the cash and or that's the

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foundation upon which you're building

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the bridge you know if you ever look at

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these bridges that cross the chesapeake

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bay they have to dig down and they have

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to put in place massive pilings in order

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to uh to build

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the bridge on top of it so if if the

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substructure and the foundation

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is weak

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then the bridge itself is prone to

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collapse right

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the bitcoin miners themselves

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they do all four of these things and

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then and then the fifth thing the fifth

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layer of security is the network

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itself and

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by the network

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i'm really referring to the bitcoin

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mining centers

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every place every place the bitcoin

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miners set up their own mining center

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they're they're plugging into the energy

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grid they're pl they're bringing in the

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mining rigs they're engineering them and

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suiting them they're getting the

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political support

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they're raising money

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and now the miners themselves have their

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own companies

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and there's a lot of public companies

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and a lot of private companies we'll

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have flank a dozen publicly traded

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bitcoin miners by the end of the year

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but let's say there's hundreds of

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private companies

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all of these companies are part of the

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network of security for bitcoin they all

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have skin in the game

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they all have invested human capital

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financial capital technical capital

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energy capital

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as you can imagine they don't want to

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lose that

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right they feel pain

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and so because they feel pain they don't

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want to lose that they invest to protect

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that and so how do you invest to protect

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a hundred million dollars invested in

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bitcoin mining

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you're going to contribute to political

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campaigns

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you're going to hire lawyers you know

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there are experts in texas energy law

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you're going to hire lobbyists you're

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going to hire uh marketing people that

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are going to explain why bitcoin is good

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for the world not bad for the world

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you're going to you're going to hire hr

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people to manage all your hr issues

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you're going to hire financiers to

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report this to the investors

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you're going to spend a lot of time

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talking to all these constituencies to

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make the investors happy

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keep the politicians happy

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you're going to be an early warning

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system uh against mishap like if if

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there's

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if there's a bug in the software bitcoin

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or if there's a bug in the hardware of

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bitcoin if you don't trust the mining

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rig manufacturer you're gonna push back

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if if you think that the software is not

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being upgraded fast enough or the the

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hardware is not being upgraded fast

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enough

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to keep the network secure and to

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protect your investment you're going to

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lobby and agitate

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and uh you're going to do that in a

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context where

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where there's a balance of power between

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and the node operators the validators

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who's a lot right there's a lot of them

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and then there's also a balance of power

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with bitcoin investors

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right if you try to change the number of

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bitcoin or you try to change the hash or

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try to change the block size you'll

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probably have a lot of bitcoin holders

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that'll push back on you

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and then you're going to do it in

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balance with your

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fiat investors

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the people that hold your securities or

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the derivatives

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and you're going to be

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managing the business to try to stay in

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alignment with regulations in 100

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different jurisdictions

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and you're going to be communicating all

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the time so

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the bitcoin mining network is the fifth

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layer of security approved work

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and ultimately when you get to a point

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where you have 50 well-capitalized

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bitcoin miners

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and they've got billions of dollars each

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at stake

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and they're spread across all the

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countries in the world

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they are in essence the first line of

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defense for bitcoin

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right you can call them different things

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you can think of them as i refer them as

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a motor of sovereignty

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they're running the motor that keeps the

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sovereign network fresh and they're

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providing the transactions and the

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security

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but you can also look at them as the uh

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at the round houses on the wall right

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there

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they are the first thing you're going to

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attack

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right when you decide you want to attack

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bitcoin you're going to attack a bitcoin

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miner they're the first thing to get

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attacked

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since they have the most at risk

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if you're a bitcoin miner in china right

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what have you suffered

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you know that

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a lot

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they have the most to lose

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and so the bitcoin miner in switzerland

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is going to be spending a lot of time

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you know thinking about whether there's

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a political attack coming from

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switzerland on bitcoin right

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they will be the early warning system

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the canaries in the coal mine if you

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and so those those five layers

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those are they're implied by the

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proof-of-work algorithm

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and we get energy technology politics we

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get finance and we get

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network

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support and they're all sources of

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inertia and anti-fragility

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and they they all draw forms of capital

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that are not bitcoin bitcoin is capital

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dollar capital tech semiconductor

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capital you know

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political capital energy capital right

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human capital

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all of these forms of capital

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are creating a genetic diversity

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and a darwinian vitality

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for the network

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if i get rid of all that capital

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if i just said well uh bitcoin's gonna

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become a proof of stake network and

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we're just gonna stake bitcoin to run

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bitcoin

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right you see what you've done is

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created again a hermetically sealed

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closed system

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but that becomes an inbred system

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and that means the biggest bitcoin

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holder when they go insane

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right the heart the security is not

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going to get upgraded

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right

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we're not going to look for we're not

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going to continue to distribute the

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network we're not going to upgrade the

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technology anymore

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we're not going to spend much time

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complying with

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the local political rules

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you know when howard hughes was the

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richest man in the world he ended up

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retiring to the top floor of his hotel

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and didn't come out of his room for

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seven years

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he went bat crazy

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you know you can do that when you're the

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richest man in the world when you don't

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need anybody else yeah

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you know but but you can't do that

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you know when you have responsibilities

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you have to get up every day and you

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have to go and put on a suit or a tire

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or at least conform with the local

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morays right

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and that keeps you from going off the

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deep end or off the abyss so this this

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this vortex

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you're describing of you know energy

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technology politics surrounding bitcoin

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that it's kind of assembling for itself

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it's centered on

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the expenditure of energy that's what

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makes it real that's what gives all

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these actors skin in the game

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and the proof of stake model would be

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something that severs that bridge you

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know we have this digital reality and

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physical reality that's anchored by

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energy expenditure but if you move the

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proof of stake you've now you've severed

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that bridge

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and yeah

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the uh it's creating i mean on the

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network mining specifically there's kind

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of this dynamic equilibrium right

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between of the governance between miners

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nodes and all these various stakeholders

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and i guess the last point that i think

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is really important when we saw

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exhibited

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uh in this the chinese mining exodus was

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the network's very amorphous you know

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like you try one jurisdiction tries to

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stamp it down

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and what happens a lot of these miners

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get boxed up shipped elsewhere plugged

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back in it's a swarm creature yes

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it's a swarm creature yeah

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and it's a swat but it's a swarm

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creature that lives

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in the physical world and in the

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political world it is not a is not a

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creature in in cyberspace or it's not a

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disembodied astral projection

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i mean

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if you cut the cord if you don't need

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energy you don't need the semiconductors

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if you don't need political support if

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you don't need external capital and if

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you don't need to engineer a facility

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you don't need a corporate structure

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then uh you've created a virtual world

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like second life right and now

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right if i create a virtual world

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and i design in a virtual money or

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virtual token

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and then i stake that virtual token to

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secure a virtual network

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so that people can trade you know

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virtual goods and virtual things

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you know i can create virtual security

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but it's virtually certain

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right that someone's going to create

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another virtual world

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right right

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you know

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and so you're creating the problem is

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yeah you outsmarted yourself you created

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something which was free and easy

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which means that you know

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the guy that uh the guy that copied

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whatever to create aetherium well then

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the guy copies ethereum to create

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cardano and then someone copies corodano

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to create the

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they make sushi swap and then they make

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the next thing

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because you can do it fast and easy

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what you've done is you've created a

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virtual casino or a virtual world and

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virtual money

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it's not that you can't create a

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business around it like second life is a

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business

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right uh fortnite is a business right

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you know online gambling is a business

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you can create a virtual casino or a

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virtual game or a virtual world

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dungeons and dragons and you can live in

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it you can buy your virtual vorpal blade

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and you can use it to kill the virtual

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dragon

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but the problem is

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you don't have a bridge

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to the thermodynamic real world

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right nor do you have a a political

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bridge to the political world

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and you have um

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you have lost

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the space space-time constants

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that uh that give the property integrity

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and durability

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and that's probably it's a good segue

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for me to go to layers six and seven

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the sixth layer is the spatial layer and

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the seventh layer is the temporal layer

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so by spatial layer i mean

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the proof of work bitcoin mining network

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forces you to spread out throughout the

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world because you're not going to find

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terawatt hours of energy

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in one building

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and even if you did in one building

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the heat engineering is such that you

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can't stack the bitcoin miners up over

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each other like that

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so you have to spread out and the

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natural competition means that well we

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find a volcano here and a nuclear

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reactor there and we find some stranded

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gas here

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it's an open system and it's it's

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naturally diffusing and decentralizing

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and um

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and that's important if

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if you have a proof proof-of-stake

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network and i have 50

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or 20 percent of all the money

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right then i can just stake the entire

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network in monaco

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right

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right there's what why would why would

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you need to spread it to the four

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corners of the earth

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well the problem with staking the

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network in monaco right is that maybe

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monaco as a as a political attack or

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maybe the building gets wiped out

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you know what if i stake the entire

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network on like 16 computers in the same

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place right centralization

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yeah you're centralizing it and

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you're putting it

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there there is no thermodynamic

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incentive to decentralize it and there

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is no requirement

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but in in fact

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with proof of work and and the

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requirement of energy

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it naturally is going to create an

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incentive for someone to put this on a

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waterfall in the middle of africa

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that that distributes the security load

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you don't want all the security to come

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from manhattan

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right

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right if all the security comes to

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manhattan that's proof of stake that's

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centralized pretty soon you've got

0:21:02

central bank

0:21:03

you know pretty soon you know like three

0:21:06

people get together and decide your

0:21:07

destiny

0:21:08

everything just centralizes you really

0:21:11

want to have the security come from a

0:21:13

country that you can't get to because if

0:21:16

you can't get to it

0:21:18

your enemy can't get to it

0:21:21

and ideally it decentralizes so it's

0:21:23

even hard to just to distinguish where

0:21:25

it's coming from

0:21:28

so that that spatial um that spatial

0:21:31

layer

0:21:32

is forcibly decentralizing it and it's

0:21:35

not it's not just decentralizing it

0:21:37

geographically it's also decentralizing

0:21:39

it politically right

0:21:42

and and

0:21:48

that causes it to decentralize across

0:21:48

lots of institutions

0:21:50

lots of political jurisdictions

0:21:52

and lots of geographic places

0:21:55

and if you want to attack it there is no

0:21:58

one central place to attack right you

0:22:00

can't find the vector yeah right there's

0:22:03

no logical nexus and there's no physical

0:22:06

nexus right how do i find the top you

0:22:09

know 51 of the hash rates in 198

0:22:13

facilities around the world how do i

0:22:15

take control of all 50 you know all 198

0:22:18

of them overnight without it to be

0:22:20

noticing because that's crossing 100

0:22:22

borders yeah yeah it's neutralizing all

0:22:25

these central attack vectors

0:22:28

so that it's

0:22:30

i guess it's by virtue of its own

0:22:31

proliferation it's becoming more immune

0:22:34

to attack

0:22:35

from anyone

0:22:37

it becomes immune to a cyber attack it

0:22:40

becomes

0:22:41

immune to a physical attack and it

0:22:43

becomes immune to a political attack

0:22:46

and it even becomes somewhat immune to

0:22:50

um to a protocol attack where someone

0:22:52

tries to get people to change the

0:22:54

protocol right it's just much harder to

0:22:57

attack the durability the integrity of

0:23:00

the network because

0:23:02

it becomes so spatially

0:23:05

distributed yeah the proof of stake 10

0:23:08

people might actually stake 51 so now i

0:23:10

can actually identify the 10 people now

0:23:12

i know who to attack right

0:23:15

psychologically

0:23:16

physically

0:23:17

whatever yeah

0:23:19

i don't even know where to start with

0:23:21

something which is

0:23:23

spatially distributed

0:23:25

so the the seventh layer is temporal

0:23:28

distribution

0:23:29

and by that it just means that

0:23:32

the attack has to come over time

0:23:35

because it takes 12 to 24 months to

0:23:38

create a world-class

0:23:41

bitcoin mining center

0:23:44

it takes another 12 months maybe to

0:23:46

order all the equipment

0:23:49

how do i go about ordering seventh

0:23:53

generation equipment

0:23:56

secretly

0:23:57

or with malicious intent

0:23:59

and then i have to convince someone to

0:24:01

front me the money right so i have to

0:24:04

hood wink a billion billions of dollars

0:24:06

of investors then i have to buy billions

0:24:09

of dollars of equipment

0:24:11

then i have to wait 12 months

0:24:14

then i have to

0:24:15

get someone to engineer the center and i

0:24:18

have to get them to agree to do it

0:24:20

because they trust me they're not going

0:24:21

to do it if they think i'm going to

0:24:23

attack the network

0:24:24

then i have to get the politicians to

0:24:26

let me build it

0:24:28

could take three five years

0:24:30

then i have to get all the engineers

0:24:32

then i have to build it i have to bring

0:24:34

it online so that i can attack the

0:24:35

network

0:24:41

and i got to do all that

0:24:41

without a single person guessing that

0:24:43

i'm trying to do it if one person thinks

0:24:45

that i might have malicious intent they

0:24:47

leaked that on twitter and two million

0:24:50

people would know it in seven minutes

0:24:55

so that

0:24:57

that's incredible the space-time

0:25:01

uh functioning of bitcoin is important

0:25:03

you don't want it to move fast this is

0:25:05

why you know

0:25:07

if you if you read the block size wars a

0:25:10

lot of maneuvering back and forth but at

0:25:12

the end of the day

0:25:14

the immediate a priori observation is

0:25:17

they shouldn't have tried to change

0:25:18

anything it was a mistake to try to

0:25:21

change the block size it's a mistake to

0:25:24

change the frequency

0:25:27

because

0:25:29

when you create a crypto universe or a

0:25:31

crypto creature

0:25:33

the block size and the frequency of the

0:25:36

network are akin to the space-time

0:25:38

constants of the universe it's like

0:25:41

trying to change the gravitational

0:25:43

constant and the speed of light

0:25:46

is like you don't get to play god

0:25:49

except once

0:25:51

you can play god once

0:25:53

if satoshi had designed the network with

0:25:56

you know

0:25:58

1.2 megabyte blocks and eight minute

0:26:01

frequency it might have worked

0:26:04

and there are some parameters that

0:26:05

wouldn't have worked but once he started

0:26:09

and it started to spin then you don't

0:26:11

change it

0:26:13

because

0:26:14

because the um

0:26:16

the size of the the block size

0:26:19

is kind of like the packing density of

0:26:20

carbon atoms you know or carbon

0:26:23

molecules you know all right it's like

0:26:25

you don't

0:26:26

if you if you were to change the speed

0:26:28

of light or the gravitational constant

0:26:30

let's say you change gravity on the on

0:26:32

the surface of the earth

0:26:33

let's say i made it 3x

0:26:36

what it is right now

0:26:38

what happens to every creature

0:26:40

every bridge every building

0:26:43

every plant

0:26:45

every factory

0:26:46

what happens when i crank up the

0:26:49

gravitational constant by a factor of

0:26:51

three

0:26:56

they are failing strategies all of a

0:26:56

sudden

0:26:58

if you change gravity

0:27:01

heck crank it up by a factor of ten

0:27:04

what happens

0:27:05

every building

0:27:06

and everything built up till now

0:27:09

collapses

0:27:10

i.e all work

0:27:13

is negated not just work by mankind work

0:27:17

by animals

0:27:18

work by mother nature yes rivers

0:27:21

mountains collapse

0:27:23

you know bridges collapse companies

0:27:25

collapse

0:27:27

countries collapse

0:27:29

so you would negate all past work

0:27:33

you would uh

0:27:35

you would imperil or or um

0:27:39

or uh impair all structures

0:27:43

you would imp you would impair or or

0:27:45

destroy all machinery constructed any

0:27:48

machine that works would stop working

0:27:51

and you would throw the future to chaos

0:27:58

and it's pretty obvious you're playing

0:27:58

god right change the speed of light same

0:28:00

thing's going to happen right the

0:28:01

reynolds number determines the hull

0:28:03

speed of a ship

0:28:05

change the reynolds number change the

0:28:06

way that molecules move around you know

0:28:09

a hydro

0:28:10

you know foil

0:28:12

yeah nothing works

0:28:14

something sync

0:28:16

at best everything just gets destroyed

0:28:20

you know commerce collapses

0:28:23

so when you think about it like that you

0:28:25

come back to the crypto universe you

0:28:27

said okay you created a crypto

0:28:29

you set your space time parameters

0:28:32

now the future of mining is based on

0:28:35

that block size and that frequency

0:28:37

change the block size change the

0:28:40

forecast of the mining revenue change

0:28:42

the change the expectations of every

0:28:44

investor

0:28:45

change every business decision

0:28:47

invalidate all business decisions yeah

0:28:50

at some point right if you keep

0:28:52

the the foolishness of like doubling the

0:28:54

block size which is what the big

0:28:56

blockers wanted to do is if they had

0:28:58

doubled the block size over and over

0:29:00

again they would have driven transaction

0:29:01

fees to zero

0:29:03

when transactions fees go to zero the

0:29:05

revenue of the bitcoin mining business

0:29:08

dramatically changed now there's no

0:29:10

future revenue model now you have miners

0:29:14

lobbying to change the block rewards you

0:29:16

would basically

0:29:18

bankrupt the mining business screw it

0:29:20

all up and then you would have you know

0:29:23

you've got no security network because i

0:29:25

can't afford to actually secure the

0:29:27

network so

0:29:29

so what they were imagining a world

0:29:32

where everything had to be on the base

0:29:34

layer and they're monkeying with the

0:29:36

base layer and instead what they should

0:29:38

have seen is that the world is in layers

0:29:42

the the key is

0:29:44

the base layer of bitcoin is like the

0:29:47

granite

0:29:49

underlying manhattan

0:29:51

you never needed it to be lighter if

0:29:53

somebody said i have an idea let's turn

0:29:55

the granite in manhattan into cotton

0:29:57

candy it'll taste better

0:30:00

it's like are you an idiot

0:30:02

if you turn all of manhattan into cotton

0:30:05

candy all the buildings are going to

0:30:07

sink we're all going to die

0:30:09

in a cotton candy swamp

0:30:12

it's like you know it's so silly like

0:30:13

we're laughing

0:30:15

but the point is but the granite's heavy

0:30:17

and it's hard for me to move and it's

0:30:19

slow and the transaction fees on moving

0:30:21

granite around are high

0:30:25

exactly you're not supposed to move the

0:30:27

granite yeah you're supposed to build on

0:30:30

top of the granite

0:30:31

and the same is true with the base layer

0:30:33

you're not supposed to move the base

0:30:35

layer the point of the base layer is to

0:30:38

be here a thousand years from now right

0:30:41

right yeah you can wave your arm and

0:30:42

convert the granite into sand or into

0:30:45

you know into mud

0:30:47

and you can move it

0:30:48

you know you can shovel it out of the

0:30:50

way with your little toy shovel from the

0:30:52

seashore when you were a kid

0:30:55

right but but the point is you can't

0:30:57

build a city that's going to last a

0:30:59

thousand years on mud and on sand

0:31:03

and if you had if you have a

0:31:06

understanding of the universe

0:31:08

the universe is layers and layers

0:31:11

and the consequences of the speed of

0:31:13

sound

0:31:14

is everything that flies through the air

0:31:17

and the consequence of the speed of

0:31:19

light

0:31:19

is everything in the universe and the

0:31:21

consequence of the gravitational

0:31:23

constant is how the water flows and how

0:31:25

the mountains move

0:31:27

and once you understand those things you

0:31:28

can build everything everything that

0:31:30

humanity's done in the history of the

0:31:32

human race is predicated upon those

0:31:34

space-time constants being what they

0:31:36

were and when you decide to routinely

0:31:39

change them you're playing god

0:31:41

and when you play god

0:31:43

right you you pretty much destroy

0:31:46

everything that came before and throw

0:31:49

into chaos everything that comes

0:31:50

afterwards

0:31:52

you know after leveling every building

0:31:54

and wrecking leaving a trail of wreckage

0:31:57

you know in

0:31:59

in the present day

0:32:01

yeah like an earthquake except it's

0:32:03

it's worse than an earthquake

0:32:05

it's like a continual rolling

0:32:08

you know randomized series of different

0:32:11

earthquakes every second

0:32:13

yeah and that's why you don't want to

0:32:15

screw with that

0:32:17

right yeah for

0:32:19

the way i'm looking at this is if we go

0:32:20

back to that

0:32:22

you know life and bitcoin being the

0:32:24

survival strategy propagating forward

0:32:28

those strategies

0:32:30

optimize

0:32:31

for the environmental invariance

0:32:35

so you know life is optimizing kind of

0:32:37

to overcome gravity in a way and if you

0:32:39

change one of these invariants all of a

0:32:42

sudden you invalidate all the survival

0:32:43

strategies like everything that's all

0:32:45

the adaptation

0:32:47

all the fitness modification that's ever

0:32:49

been done it's just worthless all of a

0:32:51

sudden double gravity kill all the birds

0:32:53

yeah like that yeah kill all the birds

0:32:56

right like

0:32:58

it's like it's a very why would just

0:32:59

double the block size or cut it in half

0:33:02

yeah because like everything will die

0:33:04

why don't we cut the oxygen you know the

0:33:06

oxygen content in half yes happens and

0:33:10

then that very

0:33:12

precedent

0:33:13

destroys bitcoin right has there been a

0:33:16

successful change and i've heard it put

0:33:18

this way is that

0:33:20

you know bitcoin cannot be reproduced

0:33:23

because ear reproducibility was the

0:33:26

invention it's like to create something

0:33:27

that no one can change

0:33:29

so if you somehow

0:33:31

yeah if you somehow change it then all

0:33:33

of a sudden

0:33:35

you've destroyed that you know

0:33:37

invariants that it was offering

0:33:40

and this is incredible i've never

0:33:42

thought about how these layers actually

0:33:44

preserve it in such a way and the

0:33:47

temporal layer is interesting too

0:33:48

because it's

0:33:50

if you try to attack it it's like

0:33:51

there's no way to do it without alerting

0:33:53

network participants so there's just

0:33:55

this it's kind of like a lag or a buffer

0:33:57

and a complex system that stabilizes it

0:34:00

like you try to create a change

0:34:02

people adapt

0:34:03

that's the sound

0:34:05

that's the speed of sound

0:34:07

like for example you're like wouldn't it

0:34:08

be great if sound move faster or slower

0:34:12

a shock wave is when you attack the air

0:34:15

faster than it moves out of the way

0:34:18

right so well do we need a speed of

0:34:21

sound

0:34:22

yeah you need a speed of sound what if

0:34:24

we made the speed of sound equal to

0:34:25

speed of light

0:34:27

not a good idea

0:34:30

you know like

0:34:32

not a good idea if you want the universe

0:34:35

to work

0:34:37

what if we got rid of friction

0:34:39

like transaction fees are too high let's

0:34:41

take them to zero well that's the same

0:34:43

as saying let's just get rid of friction

0:34:45

and let's get rid of gravity well

0:34:47

getting rid of gravity and getting rid

0:34:49

of friction is a problem because like

0:34:51

pretty much every everything we created

0:34:54

like works with it

0:34:56

right like try how about your tires

0:34:58

without friction

0:34:59

like how well is your car going to drive

0:35:05

you know so like they're not bad things

0:35:08

the thing that was you know in the

0:35:09

defense of the big blockers the

0:35:12

lightning network was not as manifestly

0:35:15

clear today but if all you have to do is

0:35:16

look at a lightning wallet a lightning

0:35:19

transaction

0:35:20

and look at um a layer two and a layer

0:35:22

three transaction look at how square

0:35:24

cache app works

0:35:26

look at how moon works

0:35:28

i can send a thousand sats in a split

0:35:30

second for one sat

0:35:33

once you see that you realize layer two

0:35:36

platforms layer three applications are

0:35:38

gonna move bitcoin at the speed of light

0:35:41

in an almost friction free way

0:35:43

and what did you really want from

0:35:45

bitcoin you wanted it to not break

0:35:48

right you never it was foolish to it's

0:35:51

foolish to risk

0:35:53

the immortality

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0:35:56

of bitcoin in order to go from one

0:35:59

megabyte to two megabyte blocks right

0:36:02

it's foolish how about

0:36:04

you could have had something that would

0:36:05

be immortal and you could build a

0:36:07

civilization that would last for 10 000

0:36:09

years and you could just do it using

0:36:12

layer two and layer three apps

0:36:15

but instead we're risking putting out

0:36:17

the fire of civilization to try to

0:36:20

change the space-time coefficients of of

0:36:23

the one crypto network

0:36:25

which successfully took root and

0:36:27

decentralized right yeah and that

0:36:30

emulates nature properly to your point

0:36:33

where nature evolves in layers so we

0:36:36

need an unshakable foundation to support

0:36:38

higher layers

0:36:40

so let's talk a little bit about

0:36:41

proof-of-stake and the like because

0:36:43

that's the elephant in the room here

0:36:45

look proof of work is an open

0:36:47

competitive

0:36:48

natural system

0:36:50

it emulates darwinian competition

0:36:53

and it's open

0:36:55

proof of stake is a closed controlled

0:36:58

system

0:36:59

and so the problem with a closed control

0:37:03

is it's not darwinian

0:37:06

and uh and there's no genetic diversity

0:37:08

it becomes inbred

0:37:10

so if you look at let's take a shoreline

0:37:13

a living shoreline if you're trying to

0:37:15

actually uh maintain such a thing the

0:37:18

way they engineer it is

0:37:20

you would create 200 foot long uh

0:37:23

revitments and then you would put a

0:37:26

break in it for the sea water to come in

0:37:29

and then you create another revit meant

0:37:31

to to protect the shore from the surf

0:37:34

but you always have to have a break for

0:37:36

sea water to come in

0:37:38

if you don't leave that channel for sea

0:37:40

water to come in then the water behind

0:37:42

the revetment becomes putrid

0:37:44

right

0:37:45

it's pretty you know you don't want you

0:37:47

know you ever seen a putrid standing

0:37:50

body of water without any circulation

0:37:53

you know it breeds bacteria it becomes

0:37:55

infested it becomes dangerous it's not

0:37:58

healthy

0:38:00

right um

0:38:01

and why it's closed

0:38:04

you know it's closed system

0:38:06

all you know all cities all

0:38:08

civilizations why do you build a city on

0:38:10

a river because you need something to

0:38:11

carry the waste away

0:38:14

right what happens if you recirculate

0:38:16

your waste in your own

0:38:22

how long can you you know recirculate

0:38:22

the waste in your spacesuit

0:38:23

how long can you recirculate the water

0:38:25

in the waste in your apartment you know

0:38:29

proof of stake is recirculating itself

0:38:33

and and the problem there is unless you

0:38:35

have perfect components and you never

0:38:39

and you have

0:38:40

you know perfect conditions

0:38:43

at some point either

0:38:45

the toxicity of the closed environment

0:38:48

destroys the ecosystem

0:38:51

or it becomes so fragile

0:38:54

because of the lack of darwinian

0:38:55

competition and a lack of ecological

0:38:58

genetic diversity that um

0:39:01

eventually it dies

0:39:03

it's like

0:39:05

you know it's like a

0:39:06

it's like a creature endlessly cloning

0:39:08

itself right

0:39:10

after you endlessly clone yourself

0:39:12

you're subject to genetic mutations and

0:39:14

defects you you know that's why you know

0:39:17

every organic creature has sex right you

0:39:20

you actually want to keep mixing the dna

0:39:23

right in order to avoid the

0:39:27

mutated defects

0:39:28

right and you can't cleanse yourself you

0:39:31

can't fix

0:39:33

the species this is like a closed system

0:39:36

like a photocopy of a photocopy of a

0:39:38

photocopy eventually it gets very

0:39:40

blurry right

0:39:44

and and i guess coming back to the other

0:39:47

elephant in the room here

0:39:53

bitcoin is a successful proof-of-work

0:39:53

network that has created our first

0:39:56

digital money

0:39:57

our first digital property

0:40:00

bitcoin has done that we can see that

0:40:03

there are no successful examples

0:40:06

of a proof-of-stake

0:40:08

network succeeding as digital property

0:40:12

that's the elephant in the room

0:40:14

there are no successful proof-of-stake

0:40:17

networks

0:40:18

right we've never gotten

0:40:20

what would be required to be successful

0:40:22

well here's a simple one

0:40:26

if the united states government

0:40:27

designated a proof-of-stake

0:40:31

network

0:40:32

as property

0:40:33

and not a security

0:40:36

it's never happened

0:40:38

in fact you know the head of the sec

0:40:40

just went on television and said if

0:40:42

there's an ico and there's a

0:40:45

shared enterprise with intent to profit

0:40:47

then it's a security yeah

0:40:50

so as far as i can see every

0:40:52

proof-of-stake network that's been

0:40:54

launched

0:40:55

looks to be by legal definition of

0:40:57

security not property

0:40:59

and even ethereum

0:41:02

isn't a proof-of-stake network so

0:41:04

there's a debate about about whether it

0:41:06

is property or not and that'll

0:41:08

eventually be resolved

0:41:10

right but

0:41:11

but um

0:41:13

there's absolutely no question that

0:41:16

at this point the only successful

0:41:18

digital property that's ever been

0:41:19

created in the history of the world

0:41:22

was created on a proof-of-work network

0:41:24

right

0:41:25

there's nothing else everything else is

0:41:27

just like a garage science experiment

0:41:30

right a venture a venture experiment and

0:41:34

on the surface

0:41:36

they all appear to be securities

0:41:39

right i mean not none of them have

0:41:41

successfully decentralized or been

0:41:43

embraced

0:41:45

as property

0:41:47

and it's not clear whether they can

0:41:49

successfully decentralize

0:41:51

i mean theoretically

0:41:54

theoretically new things are possible

0:41:57

but practically speaking

0:41:59

we have one example

0:42:01

of crypto property or crypto money

0:42:05

that is bitcoin and everything else is

0:42:09

is a speculation let me ask you the

0:42:11

could we say

0:42:13

it seems to me like central banks in a

0:42:16

are kind of a proof-of-stake network

0:42:19

where essentially the more

0:42:20

gold they have or reserves they're

0:42:23

staking

0:42:24

the more interest and inflation revenue

0:42:26

they can generate effectively so

0:42:29

could we say that then a proof of stake

0:42:31

network

0:42:32

could only really exist with because

0:42:35

again there's gold underlying that a

0:42:36

proof of work underlying central banks

0:42:40

no uh

0:42:42

countries are you know currencies are

0:42:44

proof of stake

0:42:46

if you own a country

0:42:48

like if you own a country you can

0:42:51

designate

0:42:53

your currency

0:42:55

or your token to be a currency

0:42:58

because you make the law

0:43:00

right

0:43:01

right so i mean that's the case right i

0:43:03

mean venezuela can designate their

0:43:05

currency and the us can designate its

0:43:07

currency

0:43:08

so you have you have examples of those

0:43:11

systems they're they're not crypto proof

0:43:12

of stake systems they're right right or

0:43:14

fiat but they are inherently

0:43:16

centralizing which i don't see why a

0:43:19

crypto system and they are centralized

0:43:21

yeah and they all centralize yeah

0:43:23

and and uh you know it seems logical

0:43:27

that uh that other stake systems will

0:43:29

centralize yeah

0:43:31

and and by the way

0:43:34

centralization is not

0:43:37

inherently a vice as long as it's this

0:43:41

as long as it's treated as a security

0:43:44

for example

0:43:45

you know

0:43:50

a publicly traded company that has a

0:43:50

stock

0:43:52

has a centralized token that is the

0:43:56

but they are they have obligations to

0:43:58

disclose the number of those such tokens

0:44:01

to their shareholders and it's illegal

0:44:05

uh for them to act in a duplicitous

0:44:09

unethical fashion

0:44:10

and it's also

0:44:12

it's also illegal for a politician to

0:44:14

promote

0:44:15

that security because that gives it

0:44:17

unfair advantage to uh

0:44:19

to one company over another right

0:44:22

so if you treat it as a security

0:44:24

then a staked token

0:44:26

you know is

0:44:28

is uh ethical and legal yeah it could

0:44:31

just never work for money

0:44:33

yeah it's just not it's not ethical to

0:44:36

create

0:44:37

private money as a security token and

0:44:40

represent that it's property

0:44:43

right that that's where you're you're

0:44:45

crossing the moral hazard boundary

0:44:49

and so i

0:44:50

i think the summary here is

0:44:53

bitcoin has created digital money

0:44:57

digital property

0:45:00

if you will either um on top of a

0:45:03

decentralized proof-of-work network

0:45:10

there are there are other proof-of-work

0:45:10

networks that are much smaller and less

0:45:12

successful

0:45:13

that are less decentralized

0:45:16

that are struggling to a degree

0:45:19

not winning against bitcoin

0:45:22

and there are other theoretical

0:45:24

approaches to creating a decentralized

0:45:25

network none of them have succeeded to

0:45:29

if the definition of success is

0:45:32

is to be deemed morally and legally as

0:45:35

property

0:45:36

by a legitimate government

0:45:46

all right everybody that was episode 15

0:45:46

of the sailor series uh and this episode

0:45:49

got into

0:45:50

the second half of sailor's framework

0:45:53

which he calls the seven layers of

0:45:55

security

0:45:56

uh so we went through layers four

0:45:59

through seven in this episode

0:46:01

we started with

0:46:03

the fourth layer which is the financial

0:46:06

layer

0:46:07

um this one's somewhat

0:46:09

intuitive but there is an element to it

0:46:12

that that may be uh is less intuitive

0:46:15

this essentially means bitcoin's

0:46:16

recruiting capital right but

0:46:18

specifically

0:46:20

large long-lived pools of capital

0:46:24

and it's

0:46:26

doing this in a way that is actually

0:46:28

creating incentives for those that can't

0:46:31

purchase bitcoin directly to adopt it uh

0:46:34

even indirectly so

0:46:36

sailor gave the example of you know

0:46:38

funds

0:46:39

entities convertible debt offerings all

0:46:41

of these being mechanisms

0:46:43

for you know large capital pools like

0:46:47

institutions endowments things like this

0:46:49

to gain

0:46:50

uh financial access to bitcoin

0:46:52

indirectly

0:46:54

being that a lot of these investment

0:46:56

charters are restricted from owning

0:46:57

crypto assets or um or are required to

0:47:00

own a certain mix of say equities or

0:47:02

bonds uh of a certain credit rating et

0:47:05

cetera et cetera

0:47:08

this um

0:47:11

financial lair

0:47:14

is interesting because it's

0:47:17

basically causing

0:47:19

all of the money in the world which is

0:47:21

we've touched on a lot

0:47:26

bitcoin is really just out competing all

0:47:26

other forms of money so all other

0:47:28

capital pools which are expressly

0:47:31

organized to optimize the returns of

0:47:33

their shareholders or their stakeholders

0:47:37

it uh bitcoin kind of enmeshes itself

0:47:39

into these

0:47:40

these alternative capital networks

0:47:43

and this just becomes a virtuous cycle

0:47:45

right

0:47:46

this again the key to understanding

0:47:48

bitcoin is that

0:47:50

no one has figured out how you break

0:47:51

this virtuous cycle of its monetization

0:47:54

process

0:47:55

so we have this

0:47:57

virtual cycle of rational actors

0:47:59

basically

0:48:01

coming into bitcoin or gaining exposure

0:48:03

to it either directly or indirectly um

0:48:07

to optimize their own benefits so

0:48:10

it's it's not even a matter of like have

0:48:12

you studied bitcoin or are you ignoring

0:48:15

bitcoin it's uh i think sailor said way

0:48:18

earlier in this series

0:48:20

quoting someone who said war you may not

0:48:22

be interested in war but war is

0:48:23

interested in you

0:48:25

this vortex of incentives that bitcoin

0:48:27

represents is just

0:48:29

no one's figured out how to stop it and

0:48:31

if you are

0:48:33

to any extent a rational economic actor

0:48:35

that seeks to preserve wealth over time

0:48:38

then you're basically being forced um

0:48:41

to look into bitcoin to learn about

0:48:43

bitcoin ultimately to buy bitcoin so

0:48:46

i think if

0:48:47

the difficulty in understanding bitcoin

0:48:51

significant you have to understand a lot

0:48:52

of different a lot of different things

0:48:55

about different fields

0:48:57

but i think the

0:48:58

awareness of its

0:49:01

real impact on the world is right here

0:49:04

right in this virtuous in the heart of

0:49:06

this virtuous cycle

0:49:08

that you know sailor has properly

0:49:09

identified but no one has figured out

0:49:11

how you can stop

0:49:15

so that's that's the fourth layer and

0:49:17

then we got into the fifth layer which

0:49:18

is the mining network itself

0:49:22

you know the point here is that bitcoin

0:49:24

miners

0:49:25

again if bitcoin is a microcosm of

0:49:27

capitalism bitcoin miners have skin in

0:49:30

the game and this is the key key point

0:49:34

that they are incentivized to protect

0:49:37

these large capital investments they've

0:49:39

created in the form of the mining

0:49:40

network

0:49:41

um and this is you know again the

0:49:44

centerpiece to drawing all the

0:49:45

politicians the lawyers the marketing

0:49:47

the educators etc etc is that um miners

0:49:51

will invest in these people to protect

0:49:54

their capital investment in the mining

0:49:56

network

0:49:57

and so

0:49:58

you know being that they have skin in

0:50:00

the game

0:50:01

it's when any time bitcoin is under

0:50:03

duress in any form you know a political

0:50:06

physical attack whatever maybe a

0:50:07

technical attack

0:50:09

miners feel the pain right they

0:50:11

experience this directly

0:50:13

as an impact to their capital investment

0:50:16

and then they are the defense

0:50:19

they're the first responders right or

0:50:22

uh drivers of the adaptivity and the

0:50:24

network if you will um and maybe it's

0:50:27

useful here to to just define skin in

0:50:29

the game

0:50:30

it's a term thrown around a lot

0:50:32

uh you know you're probably you probably

0:50:34

have an intuitive sense of what it means

0:50:36

but specifically it is a balance

0:50:39

of incentives and disincentives

0:50:42

so for instance we often think that

0:50:44

a an executive in a corporation may be

0:50:47

aligned his incentives may be aligned

0:50:49

with a corporation because he has a

0:50:50

stock options plan or equity or

0:50:52

something like that and that's true in a

0:50:54

sense and that he's positively aligned

0:50:58

if the stock price suffers

0:51:01

they're not

0:51:02

there's no clawback on their stock

0:51:04

options for instance or

0:51:06

or claw back on past salary or anything

0:51:08

like that so

0:51:10

corporate executives are often

0:51:12

positively aligned with the interest of

0:51:13

the corporation but they don't have this

0:51:15

disincentive uh component to skin in the

0:51:19

and this the distance of portion is

0:51:20

really important right this is what

0:51:22

makes nature work

0:51:25

if you

0:51:26

cause someone pain or an animal pain

0:51:29

that is the strongest signal

0:51:31

imaginable to cause them to want to

0:51:33

adapt and change whatever they're doing

0:51:35

to avoid the pain

0:51:37

um so

0:51:39

it says carrots plus sticks right it's

0:51:42

not skin in the game it's not just the

0:51:43

carrots you also have the sticks as well

0:51:46

and this inspires responsibility frankly

0:51:48

and you see this

0:51:51

in capitalism this this

0:51:53

idea of skin in the game is enshrined in

0:51:54

capitalism and that if you have property

0:51:57

rights in something

0:51:58

the rights are

0:52:01

the access you have to the benefits the

0:52:03

asset can create right but you also have

0:52:07

responsibilities right you are

0:52:08

responsible to care for that asset to

0:52:10

secure that asset to custody it

0:52:13

to cultivate it in a way that creates

0:52:15

maximal value for you

0:52:18

so we also see so skin in the game

0:52:20

there's there's incentives and

0:52:21

disincentives to property right you're

0:52:23

incentivized to optimize your property

0:52:26

and you're

0:52:28

you have a responsibility to take care

0:52:30

of the property which is a disincentive

0:52:32

uh not to be negligent essentially

0:52:35

and then we also have like profits and

0:52:37

losses right this is the the price

0:52:39

signal that's guiding entrepreneurial

0:52:41

action and the allocation of capital

0:52:44

clearly it's a risk and reward right the

0:52:47

carrot are the profits if something's

0:52:49

profitable that means you're satisfying

0:52:50

a want in an economic way that's

0:52:52

something entrepreneurs pursue and they

0:52:54

try to avoid losses

0:52:56

which would be the allocation of capital

0:52:58

in an uneconomic way

0:53:00

so this like

0:53:02

what's so key to this is that pain

0:53:04

is information

0:53:07

um you know you're getting signals about

0:53:09

what's going right but it's really

0:53:11

the things that really sharpen you tend

0:53:13

to be the pain frankly and you may have

0:53:15

you may know this from your own life

0:53:17

where

0:53:18

there's this

0:53:19

old joke about the uh some related joke

0:53:23

just the curse of the entrepreneur so if

0:53:24

you've executed one strategy or recipe

0:53:27

or business model successfully in the

0:53:29

world

0:53:30

your tendency is to want to repeat that

0:53:32

exact model even though it may not be

0:53:35

successful in all circumstances

0:53:37

so there's good guidance you get from

0:53:40

success and profit but you really learn

0:53:42

through pain

0:53:43

and i think this is a just a really

0:53:45

important point that the all the market

0:53:47

actors in bitcoin

0:53:49

have the highest possible skin in the

0:53:51

game right we talk about bitcoin

0:53:53

inspiring this hyper responsibility if

0:53:55

you will even if you're just a holder

0:53:57

right the fact that you can hold

0:53:59

your private keys as a bare asset

0:54:02

that's a lot of power but that comes

0:54:03

with a great deal of responsibility as

0:54:05

well so there's this

0:54:07

this balance of incentives and

0:54:08

disincentives as every aspect of the

0:54:10

bitcoin network that really makes it

0:54:11

shine

0:54:12

and this

0:54:14

so we could say skin in the game

0:54:15

actually drives

0:54:18

rapidness and the effectiveness of

0:54:20

adaptation itself

0:54:23

and so the network actors or networks

0:54:26

respond more quickly to pain right to

0:54:29

say their actors have more skin in the

0:54:30

game they are going to out compete all

0:54:32

those that do not

0:54:33

by definition right this is just

0:54:35

darwinian

0:54:36

so when you look at uh

0:54:38

say these zombie companies that are

0:54:40

living off of qe infinity right they're

0:54:42

just generating perpetual losses but

0:54:45

thanks to government subsidies they

0:54:47

continue to survive

0:54:48

those businesses will be out competed by

0:54:51

more capitalistic businesses um and then

0:54:53

the money itself right

0:54:56

fiat currency

0:54:58

it's not something that feels pain it

0:55:00

does the actors in the central bank feel

0:55:02

no pain whatsoever about their decision

0:55:03

making

0:55:05

they're compensated the same right they

0:55:06

don't share in the downside risk

0:55:09

of fiat currency production so

0:55:12

you're just talking about this

0:55:14

perfectly incentivized network

0:55:17

of actors competing with another net

0:55:19

network of actors that are basically

0:55:21

anesthetized to all pain so which one do

0:55:23

you think is going to adapt out compete

0:55:25

and perform better i mean the answer

0:55:27

becomes quite intuitive

0:55:30

um and so for that reason you know

0:55:32

sailor described bitcoin mining network

0:55:34

as kind of like an early warning system

0:55:36

you know if there are protocol issues if

0:55:39

there's supply chain disruptions for the

0:55:41

the semiconductors themselves

0:55:43

uh miners are going to be the first to

0:55:45

respond because again their capital is

0:55:48

at stake right their investment their

0:55:49

reputation etc etc

0:55:52

and so

0:55:53

sailor described bitcoin mining

0:55:55

as a motor of sovereignty

0:55:57

which i thought was really interesting

0:56:00

you kind of maximize the sovereignty of

0:56:02

these individual actors

0:56:05

in doing so you've given them an

0:56:07

incentive and disincentive schema

0:56:11

basically optimize for bitcoin success

0:56:13

and network growth

0:56:15

which is itself empowering the

0:56:17

sovereignty of individual holders so

0:56:19

there's this virtuous feedback loop

0:56:21

uh between the motors of sovereignty is

0:56:23

the the miners and then uh

0:56:25

self-sovereign holders themselves

0:56:29

i heard it you know someone said this

0:56:30

recently too that

0:56:31

bitcoin makes sovereignty scalable right

0:56:34

for the first time in history

0:56:37

serving the ultimate minority

0:56:40

right the individual the ultimate

0:56:42

minority in the world

0:56:44

the interests of that minority are

0:56:46

protected and and

0:56:49

provided for by bitcoin so bitcoin is

0:56:54

a motor of sovereignty that's optimizing

0:56:56

the sovereignty of individuals and

0:56:57

that's what causes it to out-compete and

0:56:59

it causes it to out-can be these other

0:57:01

you know quote-unquote sovereign systems

0:57:03

that have established our sovereignty

0:57:04

through force

0:57:06

so we're talking about you know the

0:57:08

power of choice versus the power of

0:57:09

force

0:57:11

and i think that

0:57:13

it's just more energetically efficient

0:57:15

to have a

0:57:17

system based on volunteerism

0:57:19

than on involuntarism

0:57:22

and that that is why these systems open

0:57:25

systems out compete in the long run

0:57:26

right that's why the internet out

0:57:27

competed the intranet and that's why

0:57:29

bitcoin is effectively going to

0:57:31

outcompete all closed source monies

0:57:34

uh so

0:57:36

the first five layers as sailor said it

0:57:39

gives the network inertia

0:57:41

gives it anti-fragility and it causes it

0:57:44

to attract capital

0:57:46

and if you flip that

0:57:49

that's all based on proof of work if you

0:57:50

flip that to proof-of-stake all those

0:57:52

layers would dissipate so all these

0:57:54

protective layers that are insulating

0:57:55

bitcoin from competitive disruption

0:57:58

they would not coalesce around a

0:58:00

proof-of-stake model for the very

0:58:02

logical reasons we've explored here

0:58:05

and so

0:58:06

the example

0:58:07

given was bitcoin is like this swarm

0:58:09

creature that's anchored in the physical

0:58:12

world via energy expenditure so we've

0:58:15

you know

0:58:16

sailor made the great point any

0:58:17

consensus mechanism besides proof of

0:58:19

work which is not bridged into

0:58:21

thermodynamic reality

0:58:23

just becomes a video game

0:58:25

and that can have value right there's

0:58:27

fortnite and all these

0:58:29

very popular video games that have value

0:58:31

and they have their own little economies

0:58:33

but they are segregated from the real

0:58:36

world and that there is no thermodynamic

0:58:38

bridge between the two

0:58:41

and bitcoin's different in that it is

0:58:43

like one of these video game monies if

0:58:45

you will

0:58:46

but it's

0:58:48

it becomes real it makes the game real

0:58:51

by requiring energy expenditure

0:58:54

in the mining competition that's what

0:58:56

makes this

0:58:58

digital money a real world monetary

0:59:00

network

0:59:02

it's a super interesting way to look at

0:59:05

and then so after covering the first

0:59:06

five layers we got into the fifth and

0:59:08

the sixth which are spatial and temporal

0:59:12

and so looking at the spatial layer a

0:59:14

bitcoin

0:59:16

forcing miners to basically spread out

0:59:20

right they are in hunt of the cheapest

0:59:22

energy resources available in the world

0:59:25

um stranded energy things that are not

0:59:28

economically usable

0:59:30

that's what bitcoin flows to first now

0:59:33

i've given this example before that uh

0:59:35

nick carter gave at one point if you

0:59:37

imagine

0:59:39

the world as a sphere like a topological

0:59:41

sphere where

0:59:43

points of more expensive energy are

0:59:45

higher points of cheaper energy or lower

0:59:48

you can imagine bitcoin like pouring a

0:59:50

glass of water on this sphere where it

0:59:52

levels out and goes to the lowest

0:59:54

lowest places first so

0:59:57

bitcoin's

0:59:58

economizing

1:00:00

the use of energy by basically allowing

1:00:02

us to monetize

1:00:03

underused or unused energy sources

1:00:06

and this is

1:00:07

causing

1:00:08

it to spread out spatially so the

1:00:10

network is self-distributing if you will

1:00:13

uh it's naturally diffusing and

1:00:15

decentralizing via the incentives that

1:00:17

are intrinsic to bitcoin itself

1:00:19

so again it's not a matter of a top-down

1:00:22

plan like determining who needs to be

1:00:24

where is this

1:00:25

this microcosm of capitalism that is

1:00:27

bitcoin just

1:00:29

flowering and deciding where it should

1:00:31

be based on market consensus you know

1:00:34

based on the

1:00:35

the individual self-interest of each

1:00:37

market actor but which is aligned with

1:00:39

the greater interest of

1:00:41

of all users of money and that's

1:00:45

you know keep kind of dancing around but

1:00:46

that's the core point here is this

1:00:48

vortex of incentives that no one can

1:00:50

avoid and everyone benefits uh by

1:00:52

aligning themselves with

1:00:55

and this is opposite to proof-of-stake

1:00:57

again proof-of-stake

1:00:59

leads to spatial centralization because

1:01:02

all of a sudden

1:01:03

you don't need to attach it to energy

1:01:05

you don't need to spread it around the

1:01:07

world you just need to do it efficiently

1:01:10

which is the whole point of proof of

1:01:11

stake in the first place so you just put

1:01:13

it all in one place you know i think

1:01:14

sailor gave the example of monaco

1:01:20

and that just leads to political

1:01:20

vulnerability right if your whole

1:01:21

security model is in one place that

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means it's very easily

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identifiable

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and attackable

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proof of work is this consensus

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mechanism

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that self decentralizes away from these

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attack vectors physical political

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technical

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and it basically neutralizes them so

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the power of the open network

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the voluntary open network is really

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hard to overstate

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especially when it comes to threats you

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know single attack vectors specifically

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it just envelops them and neutralizes

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and again opposite of proof of stake

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proof of stake is going to make you more

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vulnerable to all these attacks

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you know cyber physical political etc

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so finally we got into the seventh layer

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which is the temporal layer

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and this is this one blew my mind

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because

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everyone knows about the 51 attack in

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bitcoin uh this is its one

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you know quote unquote vulnerability

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satoshi addressed it from the beginning

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that if you could control

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a majority simple majority of the the

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hash power

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you could basically uh bend the network

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to your will now you're not incentivized

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to do so so you could

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um you know double spend and do the

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conduct other fraudulent transactions

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and whatnot

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although the incentives still

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lean towards uh or point actors towards

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honesty even in the event of a 51 attack

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but to execute a 51 attack means gaining

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51 percent of the hash power

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and i had never thought about

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the impediments to that the temporal

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impediments

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being that you would need you know

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you have to go through all of these

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production processes to fabricate the

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semiconductors

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to raise the capital

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to manufacture them deploy them plug

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them in

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and you'd have to do all you know this

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whole process they ever get to 51

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you're chasing a moving target to you

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because the hash rate just keeps growing

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the temporal layers like as you're doing

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this clearly you're making a lot of

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noise right

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it's a lot of money to try and i think

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the numbers today i want to say around

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between 30 and 50 million per day of

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minor revenue so this would be block

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subsidy plus transaction fees

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that that's a big number right that's a

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big number it's a big incentive it's

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drawing in more competitors into bitcoin

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mining if you're trying to get to 51 of

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that you're chasing a really quickly

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moving target

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you're making a lot of noise in the

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world and this would be signaling

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to all other market actors that there's

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a big entrant coming in to mining

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which would inspire them to pursue

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similar strategies so

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this buffer of time is really important

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in insulating bitcoin and that if you

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try to mobilize enough hash power to

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attack it

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you're just signaling to all other

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market actors to be on the defensive or

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to accumulate

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even more hash power for themselves

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making it even harder for you to mount a

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51 attack

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i thought that was just really

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mind-blowing and then

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you know lastly we got into this idea of

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bitcoin's space-time constants

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and sailor analogized the block size

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and the block frequency as being akin to

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the speed of light and gravity in the

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universe

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this is a really really interesting

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point

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and he

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put this under the

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rubric of you only get to play god once

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which is effectively what satoshi did

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and here's the way i think about this is

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so the common thread again between

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organisms organizations

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institutions is that they are all

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complex adaptive strategies

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they're propagating across space and

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time they're adapting to changes in the

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environment uh attempting to improve

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their fitness and reproduce right and

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again this is true of life this is true

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of business this is true of institutions

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these strategies necessarily adapt to

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constants or invariance

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two of which uh

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cosmologically are the speed of light

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and gravity

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all the strategies then so all the life

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forms all the businesses all the

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institutions are

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basically

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optimized around these constants such

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that if you change the constant in any

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way like he gave the example of gravity

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if you double gravity

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you destroy all the life

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that has or let's say the vast majority

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of the life that has optimized itself to

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survive in those gravitational

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conditions same is true of buildings

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right the civil engineering

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codes that were used to construct the

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building would not work under double

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gravity buildings would collapse you

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know tires would explode etc etc etc so

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there is this

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we have the variance of these strategies

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you know life business institutions

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adapting themselves to the invariance

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in their ecosystems

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gravity speed of light etc

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and this similar dynamic plays out with

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money and that we have this is darwinism

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right this is universal darwinism

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what did market actors adopt as money

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historically

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they adopted gold why did they adopt

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because gold was the most

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slow and predictable

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no matter how much effort was allocated

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towards gold's production

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its supply increased the most slowly and

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most predictably which is to say

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the supply of gold or the scarcity of

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gold was the most

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invariant magnitude in the marketplace

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that caused market actors to rationally

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select it as a store of value right

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you're out in the marketplace

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doing uh you know executing your

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entrepreneurial craft whatever it is

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you're facing a lot of variants a lot of

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uncertainty a lot of changes

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it's controlled chaos effectively this

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is the business world

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where do you want to store the

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spoils of that battle if you will you

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want to store it in a place that's

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maximally insulated from that variance

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the most invariant good

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that was gold historically

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in the same way that you know life forms

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adapt themselves to the constancy of

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gravity on earth

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market actors adapt themselves to the

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constancy of money the most invariant

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money which was gold historically

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but now in bitcoin we have something

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radically new

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it's the first perfect constant or

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invariant ever in history uh in that we

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have this fixed supply of 21 million

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bitcoin

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in order for the network to function

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properly it only needed certain

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constants

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so again we talked about the block

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frequency

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every 10 minutes and then the block size

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these were basically set in stone by

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satoshi in the beginning these were just

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invariants that he arbitrarily selected

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but the point is that that network has

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now organically grown up and all the

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market actors and businesses have grown

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up and adapted themselves to these

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constants to these universal constants

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within bitcoin

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such that if you now try to go in and

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vary these constants or vary these

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invariants

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you would shudder and uh debilitate all

1:09:14

the strategies that had that come into

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the bitcoin network

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so this just i mean he's just blowing

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this whole block size

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debate out of the water i mean it's

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already market proven in 2017 but had

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you even stopped to think about it for a

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moment going through sailors framework

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here it would have been very obvious

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these changes would not work essentially

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and um

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you know again to give the big blocker

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some credit lightning network was less

1:09:45

obvious then but if you took a big

1:09:48

picture view on this you would see that

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you know not only does nature evolve in

1:09:54

layers but technology evolves in lyrics

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too the internet itself

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is a stack of open source protocols it's

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called the internet protocol suite it's

1:10:01

evolved in layers over time

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and as i've argued in the past i think

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it's proper to conceive bitcoin as the

1:10:08

latest

1:10:09

latest layer in the internet protocol

1:10:11

suite so you say bitcoin is the internet

1:10:13

itself

1:10:15

all of these other crypto assets um

1:10:18

so we'll stay focused on proof of stake

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that's an open network right proof of

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work is open

1:10:24

uh it's self-distributing it's resisting

1:10:26

political attack vectors physical attack

1:10:28

vectors technical proof of stake is the

1:10:31

opposite right it's a closed system it's

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controlled by someone it's non-darwinian

1:10:36

it's not going through this

1:10:38

internally competitive process that

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causes it to proliferate

1:10:43

and immunize itself to attack vectors

1:10:47

and you know sailor gave the example

1:10:48

here of stagnant water becoming putrid

1:10:51

and that proof of stake is effectively

1:10:53

recirculating itself right

1:10:56

those that stake the most are rewarded

1:10:58

the most so it's it's

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if you just envision it like a pyramid

1:11:04

and those that hold the most whatever

1:11:06

the etherium token let's just say

1:11:08

ethereum's proof of stake

1:11:11

that are at the top of that pyramid

1:11:12

they're going to be rewarded most of the

1:11:15

stake staking rewards whether that's

1:11:17

inflation or some other uh economic

1:11:20

disbursement so

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those that have the most will gain the

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most i mean it's intuitive that this

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thing is centralizing

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uh which leads to detoxification and

1:11:31

corruption

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and we have a great example of this

1:11:35

in the world today like we don't need to

1:11:37

theorize

1:11:39

central banking

1:11:40

is proof of stake

1:11:42

right it's whoever has the most gold

1:11:44

which is the proof of work money they

1:11:46

can effectively stake that into the

1:11:48

network and be the most irresponsible

1:11:51

with monetary policy so in the current

1:11:54

geopolitical paradigm that is the the

1:11:57

the u.s central bank is the fed we have

1:11:59

the most gold so we have

1:12:01

allowed ourselves or irrigated ourselves

1:12:04

the ability to write the banking rules

1:12:06

which is exactly what we did in bretton

1:12:07

woods

1:12:09

and since then we've been able to export

1:12:11

these paper slips called the dollar

1:12:14

to the world and receive goods and

1:12:16

services in exchange so this is this is

1:12:18

a proof of stake model and we see what

1:12:21

central banking does to wealth disparity

1:12:23

right it centralizes control of our

1:12:26

assets and eviscerates the middle class

1:12:29

um and so it's very logical and i would

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argue intuitive that a crypto proof of

1:12:34

stake system would be similarly

1:12:36

centralizing over time

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and that's why

1:12:40

proof-of-stake

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it will fail i mean

1:12:44

maybe they'll find a way for it to work

1:12:46

for some

1:12:47

orthogonal marketplace but it will never

1:12:50

work in money right you need the

1:12:53

expenditure of energy

1:12:56

constitute the skin in the game that

1:12:58

creates these layers around bitcoin

1:13:00

right the f the five layers of security

1:13:03

plus the the spatial and temporal layers

1:13:07

anything short of work

1:13:09

right work being

1:13:12

the one phenomenon that mankind cannot

1:13:15

counterfeit it is impossible to

1:13:17

counterfeit work right this is

1:13:19

thermodynamic reality

1:13:21

energy cannot be created nor destroyed

1:13:23

we can only be transformed through work

1:13:27

that is at the heart and center of this

1:13:29

whole incentive vortex

1:13:32

that we call bitcoin

1:13:36

you know it's obvious that that would

1:13:38

out compete all closed source systems

1:13:42

including proof of stake systems

1:13:44

especially proof of stake systems

1:13:47

that again if we look at their

1:13:49

implementation of fiat currency

1:13:50

historically

1:13:52

via the central bank they're

1:13:53

self-annihilating right they centralize

1:13:55

over time until they collapse

1:13:58

so this is episode 15 uh of the sailor

1:14:02

series i think this framework he laid

1:14:05

uh the seven layers of security which

1:14:08

was you know episode 14 in episode 15 is

1:14:10

just brilliant

1:14:12

i've never heard anyone put it like this

1:14:15

i would say that sailor has officially

1:14:17

cemented proof of work as

1:14:21

the most inarguable and arguably

1:14:24

successful consensus mechanism for money

1:14:26

there is and i just

1:14:29

i have yet to hear a good counter

1:14:31

argument against it and

1:14:33

if i ever did

1:14:35

i would have them check out these past

1:14:37

two episodes so i hope you guys enjoyed

1:14:41

we'll be back soon with episode 16 and

1:14:45

diving further into this bitcoin game so

1:14:48

i'll see you soon

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