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A Once In A Lifetime Opportunity To BUILD WEALTH Is Here | Michael Saylor

Tom Bilyeu · 2022-09-27 · 2h 05m · View on YouTube →

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the impact and the damage of the

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lockdowns was much worse in Canada and

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Australia and New Zealand because they

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had strong centralized governments and

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it was weaker in the U.S because we had

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state governments if it wasn't for

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Florida and Texas we might not have ever

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reopened our economy

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Michael Saylor welcome to the show yeah

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thanks for having me Tom

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dude I'm very excited to talk to you now

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obviously things have changed

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dramatically in the financial landscape

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since we last spoke and I want to start

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us off actually with something that you

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said which is the world is going through

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an unprecedented financial crisis the

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greatest of our lifetime now I want to

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know one why do you think crypto and

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everything else has crashed and two is

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there an opportunity in all of this

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disruption for somebody to take

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advantage of or not well uh if we look

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at the past year

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what you've got is a drawdown of all

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Financial assets so the NASDAQ is down

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about 22 percent over the past year and

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so NASDAQ represents tech companies and

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all the risk assets but on the other

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hand if if you were to go and look at

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like the bond

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uh market and the bond portfolios

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bonds are down like a b-o-n-d index the

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long Bond index

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it's down six almost 17 percent

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in the year so for 30 or 40 years you

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had the 60 40 Bond portfolio and the

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idea ones were considered a safe space

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the idea was if stocks work then uh then

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bonds will be a low return and stocks

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would be a high return but if stocks

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trade down people will shift their money

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to bonds and you'll you know the

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interest rates will go down the bonds uh

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prices will go up and you'll actually

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get a yield on your bond portfolio

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but of course that broke around uh March

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of 2020 and the reason it broke in March

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of 2020 is because interest rates got

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pegged to zero so after we had lowered

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interest rates from five percent five

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and a half to five to four and a half to

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four to three and a half to three to two

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and a half to two to zero and left it at

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zero then bought you know the debate was

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can can they take interest rates

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negative

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if you can't take interest rates

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negative then bonds don't act as a hedge

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to stocks anymore I mean you're kind of

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you're at the end of the road for bonds

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and uh and what we saw with stocks is

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the Federal Reserve printed a bunch of

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money

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pegged interest rates at zero and then

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you saw all these risk assets explode

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you know you saw the NASDAQ explode up

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and the s p explode up you had a

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k-shaped recovery

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and in the k-shape recovery it's almost

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the entire economy was in a train wreck

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or in a car wreck and we got taken into

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the hospital and they pumped Us full of

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morphine you know and if you've ever

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been in a bad accident and then first

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you're in pain

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and then they pump you full of

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painkillers and then you actually feel

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pretty good

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and you're sitting there and your arm is

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broken but you're high on morphine or

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high on something you feel pretty good

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about it and you're thinking why don't I

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just go break my arm and do this all the

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time and then at some point there's part

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of your brain that says you know I'm

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going to come home from the hospital and

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I'm going to get off this painkiller and

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I'm going to be in great pain for the

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next three months or six months or

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whatever it is so

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I think what happened here is the the

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FED just pumped tons and tons of

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liquidity and we stayed high for about a

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year year and a half

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and uh I remember when uh when Jerome

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Powell said

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I'm not even thinking about thinking

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about raising interest rates

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and the input and said strongly that

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it'll be till 2024 before interest rates

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start coming up again

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but here we are in 2022

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and now instead of uh raising them a

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quarter point you know each time now

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they're raising them 75 basis points so

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they're taking three steps at a time

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multiple times so we took the cost of

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money down faster than any time in

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history and now we're jacking up the

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cost of money faster than any time in

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history

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and the result is um

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that all the traditional models are

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broken

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let me uh let me give you a uh a

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two-year uh post-mortem

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since we started uh dealing with this

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issue

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microstrategy had we had uh we had a 500

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million dollars of cash

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and we saw interest rates at zero

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and we saw the stock market inflated in

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the summer of 2020. and we said well

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what are we going to invest in and we

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looked around at everything should I buy

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gold should I buy land should I buy art

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should I buy some crypto asset and

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what's going to happen next

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so what we did is we decided to buy

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Bitcoin and we bought 250 million

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dollars of Bitcoin August 10th 2020.

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and then uh September around September

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10th or so of 2020 we bought another 100

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75 million dollars of Bitcoin or

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something like that

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and then we started buying Bitcoin more

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in December and we we kept buying

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Bitcoin we ended up buying nearly four

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billion dollars 3.97 billion dollars of

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Bitcoin over that time period so uh so

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in terms of like our strategy

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microstrategies just bought as much

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Bitcoin as we get our hands on since

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August 10th of 2020. and in that time

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period stocks gyrated North they gyrated

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South uh you know currencies have

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changed so let me tell you what's

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happened

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microstrategy stock

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our stock is up 93 94 since that day

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Bitcoin is Up 77 since that day

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the s p index is up about 18 percent

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the NASDAQ index is up seven and a half

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percent

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gold is down 16 percent

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the bond market if you just bought bonds

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they're down 18 percent bonds are down

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80 and silver if you think silver was

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better than gold

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it's down 32 percent

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now if you go on and say okay well fine

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let's just buy big Tech

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if you had bought uh the the greatest of

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the big tech companies is Google

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Google is up 41 apple is up 39

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Microsoft's up 22 you might have won

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those were all better investments in the

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much better than NASDAQ much better than

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gold not as good as Bitcoin not as good

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as microstrategy

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if you bought Amazon you're down 18 that

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was overvalued in the summer of 2020.

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like you know a bunch of 20-somethings

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were just buying Amazon because they

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thought well we're all ordering Amazon

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stuff so it must be good

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well uh when you buy something that

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everybody else understands to be good at

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the same time they all agree with you is

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normally bad yeah Facebook is down 41

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since then

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Netflix is down 54 since then so half

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the big Tech got shellacked the other

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half did pretty good

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and now last Point what if you bought

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enterprise software we compete against

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uh companies 100 times as big as us

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Oracle sap

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Microsoft

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um it Oracle is up 39 IBM's up six

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percent sales force is down nearly 20

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sap is down 45 percent

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summary for us microstrategy strategy

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wise buy as much Bitcoin as you can and

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buy it with equity and debt we borrowed

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money we borrowed 2.2 billion dollars at

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a blended interest rate of like two

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percent or one point eight percent so we

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borrowed cheap money while money was

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cheap and we bought Bitcoin now people

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are saying that's stupid because Bitcoin

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was trading up and then it traded down

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at the end of the day if your time

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Horizon is a decade or longer if you can

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borrow if you can borrow the money for

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longer than five or six years and you

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can hold it through the volatility

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then uh raising cheap money

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grabbing billions of dollars at low

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interest and then investing in a scarce

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desirable asset that's got sort of a

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technology appeal and holding it for a

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long period of time that's going to be a

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good strategy that's why our stock is

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outperforming Bitcoin that's why that's

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why we're out performing all the

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enterprise software companies all the

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big tech companies and the reason

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bitcoin's outperforming all the other

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asset classes

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is because it's scarce it's desirable

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it's technical

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you know no one's going to write a piece

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of software to make gold better you're

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not going to put gold on a billion

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iPhones whereas lightning is a protocol

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that's been rolling out lately uh you

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know square cash app or blocked cash app

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put lightning right into Kasha

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it means that you can send a hundred

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dollars a Bitcoin to anybody in the

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world on a Saturday afternoon for less

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than a penny instantly peer-to-peer and

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so I'll get to that though I want to I

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want to make sure that we humanize this

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for people that aren't as familiar with

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a lot of this so one part of the appeal

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of Bitcoin is also its volatility which

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I've heard you speak about but I think

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we have to build a few bricks before we

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get to that

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so I've been going on a journey myself

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of really understanding and investing

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and understanding what this all means

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and so I get to play not play I really

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am the sort of ignorant guy but smart

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enough to figure it out that's been

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going through this in real time with

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people so I want to go back so the first

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thing we do is we start lowering

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interest rates now I want to understand

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why they're doing that I have a thesis

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let me know if this is actually accurate

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the reason that they lower interest

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rates is they're trying to Goose the

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economy by making money cheaper so that

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entrepreneurs and other people will go

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and take that money or people that want

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to build a house whatever they can get

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cheap money they can do something that

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creates activity in the economy so

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whether you're buying Lumber to build a

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house or you're you know taking on debt

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to grow your business but you're doing

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things is that accurate that's why

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they're lowering the interest rate is to

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try to get activity

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so if you're trying to use monetary

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policy

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um to uh to counteract the negative

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impact of fiscal and foreign policy and

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domestic policy but what is the negative

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impact is it people just pulling back

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and not spending money it's going to be

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important to to get where I think we

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need to go it's going to be important to

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understand why this stuff happens when a

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government declares a war they basically

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put public policy initiatives ahead of

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the interest of the free market

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right so if I declare a war I could just

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draft every single every single adult in

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the country put them in the military

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send them off and if I lose the war

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They're All Dead

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right what's it do to the economy the

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economy crashes

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right what's it do the prices uh well

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price of everything go up if you want to

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create inflation you do it too a couple

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of ways either you cut the supply

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or you increase to cut the supply of the

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product you want to buy or you increase

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the supply of the money that's available

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to buy it with

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so if I uh if I make it illegal to

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manufacture food

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the price of food is going up okay

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I don't even need to print more money

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right I can create inflation uh just

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ever in a war like in World War II we

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have uh we have gas rationing you have

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you have food coupons why because all

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the gasoline gets shipped off to Europe

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to put in tanks or to put in airplanes

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or put in ships so when you have um when

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you have policies that are declaring a

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war on something

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you divert resources so we had a war on

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covid

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we have a war on carbon and energy War

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if I decide I don't want you to burn

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coal or oil that I drive up the price of

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energy if I decide I don't want you to

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show up in your office I drive up the

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price of uh production

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if I if I decide that um

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you know that uh

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I want to fight uh this covid war and

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I'm going to

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going to change the way the economy

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works if then I'm going to drive up the

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cost of everything else so we've got

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lots and lots of wars right you've got a

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culture War you've got a war on office

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work you've got a war on carbon you've

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got a war in the Ukraine the war in the

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Ukraine

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has escalated right it's not just a war

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in the UK and it's really a kind of a

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quasi-economic war on Russia so when we

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actually imparted Russian sanctions we

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cut the amount of uh of

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gasoline or or the amount of fuel

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available in energy we drive up the

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price of energy

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so every single time you actually put a

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a public policy in place you create

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inflation

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policy is inflationary the more policy

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you have the more inflation you have I

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think this is going to be one of the key

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elements that uh people need to

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understand so centralized control I

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think is a core part of the thesis as to

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why things are breaking so you have

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governments coming in top down this is

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going to be the way that it is and I've

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heard you say it and I would agree with

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this very much

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let's assume that they're coming in with

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good intentions but despite their good

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intentions they're creating all kinds of

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problems there's actually a do you know

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Thomas Seoul

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I don't oh my God I think you would

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really resonate with him he's an

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economist so you might discount him a

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little bit for that but he uh says the

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last 30 years have been marked by

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trading what worked with what sounds

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and I think that we're to your point

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about wars let's take the one on energy

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so we've got people doing a green War

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great intentions they really believe in

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that they want to save the planet but it

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in trying to help the patient they are

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putting forward measures that do feel

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very warlike that are closing off a lot

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of doors that are making energy more

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expensive that are going to

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disproportionately impact the poor not

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just here in the U.S but around the

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world and so that that top-down control

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I know better I know what to do with

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this knob instead of letting it evolve

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or happen in the free market we're going

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to prescribe behavior and that now I

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would say and I'd love to know if you

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agree is

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if not the biggest certainly one of the

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biggest contributors to what's happening

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to the economy

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yeah good the road to hell is paved in

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good intent right people uh people uh

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get into positions of power

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and they want to do good

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and so they do good by issuing edicts

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executive orders policies regulations

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and they think that the regulations will

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make things better they believe that

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that you know if you if you enter into

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government and politics you believe the

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political process is a way to make the

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world better

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so what you have is political

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organizations centralized organizations

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getting progressively more powerful

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and as they get more powerful people do

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things

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right and I think if you roll the clock

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back to Ronald Reagan he would say you

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know government's the problem

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government's not the solution

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let's take nuclear energy

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right the the cleanest form of energy is

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nuclear energy it's it's the cleanest

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probably the safest nobody died at Three

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Mile Island uh you know we can't we

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can't hardly trace a death from nuclear

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energy in the U.S and yet we haven't

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built a nuclear power plant since the

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creation of the nuclear Regulatory

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Commission

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50 years ago and in Germany they shut

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all theirs down

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right and in Japan human psychology a

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play like this feels another key piece

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to the puzzle here as we look at why the

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collapse how this happens how we get

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back out feels like in is humans react

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in a very emotional way to what happens

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so it has yeah exactly and Euphoria so

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you get these two competing things that

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set something up weird so this is the

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first cycle that I've lived through

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where I was paying attention like uh

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somebody interested in the financial

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World till then I was just an

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entrepreneur and just totally focused on

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that and so I watched the Euphoria grow

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in crypto and it was like exciting and

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thrilling and it was so fun but

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there were people like I had heard you

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say a gazillion times guys you have to

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be thinking in at least four-year

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increments and any thinking less than

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that is you're you're gonna get tricked

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by the volatility and despite the fact

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that you and many other people were

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saying similar things the second the

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price starts dropping people panic the

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price starts dropping more people get

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liquidated because they were in way over

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their heads and now it's the sense of

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Despair and it's never coming back and

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it's over forever and so there's like

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this this schizophrenic bipolar maybe is

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a better way to think of it attitude of

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like we're up and we could never lose

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and I don't need to plan for a down

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scenario we're down it will never be up

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again and

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how much of that do you think

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exacerbates the problem if you're an

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entrepreneur or you're an investor you

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have to have a 10-year time Horizon and

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not nothing great is accomplished

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without a decade if you look at

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Microsoft

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the companies founded in the mid 70s a

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decade later in their mid 80s you know

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if you're not willing to hold Microsoft

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stock for a decade you probably didn't

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get to the point where they came Paul

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White so a decade's a short period of

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time for someone who's an industrialist

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or or an investor I mean Warren Buffett

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still owns Coca-Cola stock and he must

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have bought it 50 years ago right

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so I you know I think that anybody you

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know that's a billionaire right all all

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of these names the Sergey brins the mark

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zuckerbergs the Jeff Bezos the Elon

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musks of the world they didn't get there

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without without holding an asset that

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had technical potential

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for a decade or longer there's no get

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rich quick scheme so I think that uh

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people want uh they want a an easy route

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uh if you're trying to if you're trying

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to get a quick uh a quick win with no

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volatility with no risk doesn't make

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sense and if you're actually trying to

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successful in a hurry with volatility

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that probably still won't work either I

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mean ultimately success comes from

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taking a a decade-long view

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right Andrew Mellon John D Rockefeller

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Jeff Bezos right we forget like Tesla

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was founded 20 years ago like people

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think it's an overnight success but it's

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not an overnight success

0:19:52

um and with regard to the um the macro

0:19:54

picture we live in an a time of

0:19:56

unprecedented public intervention in the

0:20:00

Affairs of the economy

0:20:02

right uh unprecedented we never had a

0:20:05

never in the history of the country did

0:20:08

you have a government that told you you

0:20:10

couldn't have Thanksgiving dinner with

0:20:11

your family because they didn't want

0:20:13

family members to sit too close to each

0:20:15

other

0:20:16

yeah we arrested a dude on a surfboard

0:20:19

in the middle of the Pacific Ocean for

0:20:21

for for basically paddle boarding in the

0:20:25

middle of Pacific because that was

0:20:26

deemed as unsafe right that kind of

0:20:29

stuff so we have an unprecedented amount

0:20:31

of encroachment we have we have

0:20:34

politicians overriding the free market

0:20:36

they tell you what kind of energy you

0:20:39

can use they tell you you know how how

0:20:42

you how far you have to sit from someone

0:20:44

they tell you whether it's safe to be

0:20:47

sitting in your office at a table next

0:20:49

to someone lots and lots of encroachment

0:20:52

each of these areas right war is the

0:20:56

suppression of the free market uh

0:21:00

to the uh to the benefit of the public

0:21:04

or the public organization right the

0:21:06

government is suppressing the free

0:21:08

market so if the government keeps

0:21:10

suppressing the free market everywhere

0:21:13

what you do is you [ __ ] production

0:21:16

right yeah that's why we have tariffs on

0:21:20

uh on Chinese Imports right that the

0:21:22

driver prices up or down drives them up

0:21:24

right

0:21:26

you have you have a war on uh on uh or a

0:21:30

labor War right if everybody unionizes

0:21:32

and if everybody's afraid to go to work

0:21:34

and if everybody's a if everybody thinks

0:21:37

that their life is threatened to stand

0:21:39

next to another human being right and

0:21:41

and uh if we're afraid to trade with

0:21:44

each other and if we're afraid to talk

0:21:46

with each other

0:21:47

right if you if you have Capital

0:21:49

controls wage controls price controls

0:21:52

export controls manufacturing controls

0:21:56

right as those things happen they have a

0:21:58

chilling effect on the economy so what

0:22:00

we have right now is on one hand you

0:22:02

have a supply side problem

0:22:05

right you're we're not producing as much

0:22:08

the the degree of not producing by the

0:22:10

way is misunderstood uh the currency

0:22:12

weakened by 20 in the year after covid

0:22:15

if the economy measured in nominal terms

0:22:18

is flat that meant that the overall

0:22:20

economic output decreased by 20 the

0:22:23

overall economic output decreased by 20

0:22:25

or more in the last two years people

0:22:27

wonder if we're in recession we've been

0:22:29

in recession since March of 2020 but

0:22:32

what we have is a situation where all

0:22:34

the metrics are distorted right for

0:22:37

example how many people would measure

0:22:39

the Economy based upon GDP output

0:22:42

measured in dollars most is that the

0:22:45

correct measure no

0:22:47

right because the dollar is not worth

0:22:49

what it was 24 months ago right what if

0:22:52

you look at it you have to measure it in

0:22:54

real terms or measure it in the uh the

0:22:57

actual output of goods and services for

0:22:59

example

0:23:00

how many airline miles got flown right

0:23:04

if Emirates Airlines grounded half their

0:23:07

Fleet and decommissioned it after covid

0:23:10

now they're up and running the part they

0:23:12

did in decommission how is it possible

0:23:15

that the error sector could possibly

0:23:17

recover to the point where it was in

0:23:19

January of 2020.

0:23:21

if you've actually mothballed or

0:23:23

decommissioned half the airplanes

0:23:26

right I could double the price of a

0:23:28

ticket

0:23:29

if I double the price of a ticket I can

0:23:32

tell you that the size of the airline

0:23:34

industry is the same as it was in

0:23:36

January 2020 right

0:23:38

I get a card there's no recession but

0:23:40

the fact is everything costs twice as

0:23:42

much there's half as much of it

0:23:44

right I changed the way that I measured

0:23:47

it what is up my friend Tom bilyu here

0:23:49

and I have a big question to ask you how

0:23:52

would you rate your level of personal

0:23:53

discipline on a scale of one to ten if

0:23:55

your answer is anything less than a ten

0:23:57

I've got something cool for you and let

0:23:59

me tell you right now discipline by its

0:24:01

very nature means compelling yourself to

0:24:03

do difficult things that are stressful

0:24:05

boring which is what kills most people

0:24:07

or possibly scary or even painful now

0:24:09

here is the thing achieving huge goals

0:24:12

and stretching to reach your potential

0:24:14

requires you to do those challenging

0:24:16

stressful things and to stick with them

0:24:18

even when it gets boring and it will get

0:24:20

boring building your levels of personal

0:24:22

discipline is not easy but let me tell

0:24:24

you it pays off in fact I will tell you

0:24:26

you're never going to achieve anything

0:24:27

meaningful unless you develop discipline

0:24:29

right I've just released a class from

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0:24:58

GDP measured in nominal terms is a gross

0:24:58

Distortion and then CPI is a gross

0:25:01

Distortion if I if I have a hundred

0:25:03

things that you want and I pick 10 of

0:25:06

them and I measure the increase in the

0:25:08

price of 10 and I ignore the price and

0:25:10

the other 90 I can show you a CPI is

0:25:14

eight percent right eight point three

0:25:15

percent is the number this morning but

0:25:17

the actual inflation rate is higher but

0:25:20

it's it's inflation on something

0:25:22

like it's inflation something you want

0:25:24

but I'm not going to choose to measure

0:25:26

for example you know the 30-year bond is

0:25:30

is traded up to

0:25:32

350 basis points and it was 180 right

0:25:36

mortgages have doubled so mortgages have

0:25:39

doubled housing prices are up 35 percent

0:25:42

and that means in you know in theory the

0:25:46

cost for you to actually buy a home is

0:25:49

going to be 50 60 percent higher year

0:25:51

over year but I don't choose to measure

0:25:54

because we don't actually calculate CPI

0:25:57

that way I take a survey and I ask you

0:26:00

whether or not you think you could raise

0:26:01

your rent by something and if the owner

0:26:03

equivalent rent is up three percent and

0:26:06

I say that the inflation is three or

0:26:08

five so we have a set of metrics that

0:26:11

are that are just

0:26:14

manufactured metrics

0:26:16

and then we focus on them and then we

0:26:18

talk about them

0:26:20

But ultimately what you have is an

0:26:23

economy that's distorted there are some

0:26:25

things we produce more of

0:26:28

and there's and there are some things we

0:26:30

produce less of

0:26:32

and we have flexibility with what we

0:26:34

choose to measure

0:26:36

the uh the monetary intervention is the

0:26:40

government basically

0:26:46

if I put everybody under home arrest for

0:26:46

a year

0:26:49

it's going to be a problem for the

0:26:49

economy right I mean if I shut down they

0:26:52

did it in New Zealand they did it in

0:26:54

Australia they did it in Canada they

0:26:56

kind of did it in certain states in the

0:26:58

U.S if I do that that cripples the

0:27:01

economy so

0:27:03

while I'm doing that

0:27:06

then if I go ahead and I pump a lot of

0:27:08

money in the system

0:27:10

right then maybe I I create a wealth

0:27:13

effect and I can say well you know we're

0:27:16

recovering but ultimately

0:27:18

you never recover from the fact that

0:27:21

nobody went to school for a year and no

0:27:23

nobody you know went to work for a year

0:27:26

right you can't You've Lost That forever

0:27:29

you're just not measuring it you you can

0:27:33

you can change your metrics

0:27:35

right there's this there's a saying you

0:27:37

write the

0:27:38

the winners write the history books

0:27:41

so the Romans remember the carthaginians

0:27:44

have been as being like evil

0:27:47

right if if we win the war then we write

0:27:51

out all of the good that our adversary

0:27:54

did and we write up all the good that we

0:27:57

did and we suppress all the bad that we

0:27:59

did because we won the war we write the

0:28:01

history boxing

0:28:02

and so I think right now what you're

0:28:04

what you see in the economy is lots of

0:28:06

distortion of numbers lots of distortion

0:28:09

of metrics

0:28:11

right the fact that we have a debate

0:28:12

over whether we are in a recession or

0:28:14

not is is kind of laughable right

0:28:16

because we've been in a recession for 24

0:28:18

months if you were measuring the

0:28:20

production of goods and services all you

0:28:23

got to do is look at the variety of

0:28:25

things that were available to you in

0:28:27

January of 2020 versus the variety of

0:28:31

things available to you today and the

0:28:34

delays

0:28:35

if you've got one-tenth the selection

0:28:37

and it takes three times as long to get

0:28:39

it and it costs 20 percent more

0:28:42

how are you not in a recession yeah this

0:28:44

is what really is

0:28:46

um I find unnerving as I go down the

0:28:50

road of trying to figure all this out

0:28:51

trying to figure out where the

0:28:52

opportunities are is I'm looking at what

0:28:55

feels like and again I want to to give

0:28:57

that it will be it's being done with

0:28:59

good intention but you have a changing

0:29:02

definition of what a recession is to

0:29:03

match a thing that seems designed very

0:29:07

explicitly to keep people calm and uh it

0:29:12

seems the same thing with the FED right

0:29:14

the reason that they said we're not even

0:29:16

thinking about thinking about taking up

0:29:17

breaks they just want to keep everybody

0:29:18

calm so we're told things not

0:29:22

necessarily because they will be the

0:29:23

most effective long term or at least

0:29:25

that the outcome is that they don't end

0:29:27

up being effective but they're looking

0:29:29

at the short-term impact of I want to

0:29:31

make sure that people stay calm and I'll

0:29:33

admit if they were like oh my God the

0:29:34

world is burning and everything is bad

0:29:36

like then people are going to act like

0:29:37

it's 10 times worse and so that's why I

0:29:40

feel like if I'm if I start putting the

0:29:41

pieces together there's really three

0:29:43

pieces that I think give us the

0:29:45

situation that we're in as you have said

0:29:48

people just don't understand money and

0:29:51

so you said half of the problems that we

0:29:52

face as a civilization have to do with

0:29:54

the fact that we do not understand money

0:29:56

that was pretty interesting and then

0:29:58

you've got this top-down control so

0:30:01

centralized decision making which is

0:30:03

destined to fail historically just

0:30:05

looking at it does not work and then the

0:30:07

third thing is human emotion and so you

0:30:11

put these things together in a cocktail

0:30:13

and you get the moment that we're living

0:30:14

through so you've got people freaking

0:30:16

out you've got other people know that

0:30:19

you're going to freak out so trying to

0:30:20

control everything trying to say hey I

0:30:21

can make better decisions than you I'm

0:30:23

going to tell you sort of white little

0:30:24

lies to get you where I need you I mean

0:30:26

I I think back to the mask statement

0:30:28

right in the beginning it's like they

0:30:30

don't work actually you need to wear

0:30:32

them all the time uh they didn't work

0:30:34

when they wanted to save them for

0:30:35

hospital employees and suddenly they

0:30:37

started working when there was enough

0:30:38

for all of us to wear them and so it's

0:30:40

like I get it again good intentions but

0:30:42

without sort of a pathological fear of

0:30:46

doing this top-down control

0:30:48

you get this issue and then compound the

0:30:50

fact even if people wanted to think

0:30:52

through the process for themselves they

0:30:54

don't understand it and so I feel like

0:30:57

I'm just barely beginning to understand

0:30:59

how money actually works and I think now

0:31:02

we should get into

0:31:03

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0:31:05

um Bitcoin as a thing that exemplifies

0:31:08

some very powerful principles that will

0:31:10

begin to help people understand so the

0:31:12

the first thing that I'm gonna say and I

0:31:16

say this knowing that you will correct

0:31:17

me if I'm incorrect but here is my

0:31:19

understanding of what makes Bitcoin so

0:31:21

interesting that money is basically your

0:31:25

financial energy put into a form that

0:31:28

can be carried across space and time

0:31:30

some forms allow you to carry across

0:31:32

space and time easily some not so much

0:31:34

but getting people just understand that

0:31:35

I go do a thing that is my physical

0:31:38

energy my physical labor my time my

0:31:40

actual like turning uh oxygen and food

0:31:44

into ATP and I'm actually able to put

0:31:47

that into a medium right it could be

0:31:49

gold it could be uh fiat currency or it

0:31:51

could be Bitcoin but just getting people

0:31:53

to understand holy [ __ ] like there's

0:31:55

actually a way for me to do a thing

0:31:59

receive a thing that allows me to carry

0:32:01

that energy across time and if if you'll

0:32:03

bear with me it's like fat so I can eat

0:32:07

a bunch of food and I can store it on my

0:32:09

body as fat but if I'm really smart I

0:32:12

will eat a bunch sort of my body's fat

0:32:13

and it will give a bunch away because

0:32:15

I'm too full I can't keep eating I will

0:32:17

give a bunch away and essentially store

0:32:19

fat on their bodies so the next time if

0:32:22

I don't get food they do get food so the

0:32:24

idea of being able to transfer useful

0:32:26

things across time and space

0:32:28

in unique ways is really important so

0:32:31

Bitcoin comes along as

0:32:33

certainly the newest entrant and maybe

0:32:36

the best entrant of things that allow

0:32:40

you to Sock away your time and energy

0:32:42

into that and carry it across time and

0:32:45

space

0:32:46

have I understood that correctly I think

0:32:48

that's well said I mean

0:32:50

fundamentally money is an energy system

0:32:53

to transfer energy over time and space

0:32:56

right that's the right way to think of

0:32:58

it uh fat is an organic battery

0:33:02

it's it's it's your way to transfer

0:33:05

organic energy if you put 20 or 30

0:33:08

pounds of fat on your body you can live

0:33:09

for 90 days

0:33:11

right and if you don't you don't eat you

0:33:14

die so

0:33:16

fat was developed over the course of

0:33:18

millions and you know 70 million a

0:33:20

million years and it's a pretty

0:33:22

wonderful invention when you think about

0:33:24

it it's it's it's the reason that we

0:33:27

didn't go extinct or the reason you're

0:33:30

not dead

0:33:33

the the challenge with money is uh the

0:33:37

Fiat currencies that are used

0:33:38

communities money they're all broken

0:33:39

they all have a big hole in them and uh

0:33:42

and the big hole is inflation period end

0:33:44

of story or is there something else

0:33:47

the whole is we could call it inflation

0:33:50

but inflation such a Charged term

0:33:52

because most people think inflation is

0:33:53

CPI uh the defect in Fiat currencies is

0:33:57

monetary inflation it's the expansion

0:33:59

and the money supply

0:34:01

not just the increase in consumer goods

0:34:04

because the CPI is a distorted it's a

0:34:06

submetric

0:34:08

right if if you look at the US dollar

0:34:11

the dollar is the supply of dollars has

0:34:14

been increasing seven percent a year for

0:34:17

90 years it's been increasing 15 to 20

0:34:20

percent a year for the past two years

0:34:23

right right so the the big I think

0:34:25

that's true so it seems worth walk us

0:34:28

through

0:34:29

how where do you get that number

0:34:31

well if you go back to 1930

0:34:35

my house in Miami Beach cost a hundred

0:34:37

thousand dollars and if you roll the

0:34:40

clock forward to

0:34:42

two thousand and 2012 it cost 14 million

0:34:47

dollars and today it would cost you 40

0:34:49

million dollars so

0:34:52

so it's 400 times more expensive

0:34:56

than it was

0:34:57

you know 90 92 years ago now if you back

0:35:01

solve that you'll find that that works

0:35:03

out to about a six percent or seven

0:35:05

percent annualized inflation rate

0:35:09

right and if you go and you look at any

0:35:11

kind of scarce desirable asset something

0:35:13

that's something that is uh you can't

0:35:16

make any more of you'll find typically

0:35:17

the increase in cost about seven percent

0:35:19

a year normally you can actually see uh

0:35:23

if you look at the market basket of

0:35:24

things people like want like really good

0:35:26

health care really good education uh you

0:35:30

know a beach house in the Hamptons uh

0:35:33

artwork picassos right that kind of

0:35:36

stuff

0:35:37

that doesn't go up in price one or two

0:35:39

percent a year that goes up in price

0:35:41

normally about seven percent a year and

0:35:44

uh if you look at the at the price of a

0:35:47

a basket of stocks

0:35:49

like the s p

0:35:51

the s p has gone up about 10 percent a

0:35:53

year Well the reason it's gone up ten

0:35:56

percent a year is because the money

0:35:57

supply expanded is seven percent a year

0:35:59

and then the underlying companies

0:36:02

probably grew two or three percent you

0:36:04

know effectively so

0:36:07

uh you can figure this out for yourself

0:36:09

if you just got start to go and take

0:36:11

samples of what stuff costs in 1971 what

0:36:14

it costs in 1930 what a cost in in the

0:36:17

year 1950 and what you'll see is that

0:36:20

for anything that's really desirable

0:36:23

like uh scarce energy that has energy

0:36:26

content it doesn't go up in price two

0:36:28

percent now the stuff that that uh

0:36:31

doesn't go up in price is expensive is

0:36:33

stuff that's highly manufactured with

0:36:36

low in low energy content High

0:36:39

information content so for example a

0:36:41

streaming video on YouTube

0:36:43

or something that could be Stamped Out

0:36:45

in quantity 100 million at a time

0:36:48

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0:36:49

boxed food right stop highly

0:36:51

manufactured stuff that has machines

0:36:55

generating it or even better

0:36:57

you know something that's got cheaper

0:36:59

right it cost a lot of money to listen

0:37:01

to Beethoven's Fifth Symphony if the

0:37:03

orchestra plays it in 1850

0:37:05

but it costs not that much to listen to

0:37:07

Beethoven's Fifth Symphony if you're

0:37:09

listening on your iPhone through your

0:37:10

airpods right so if I can strip the

0:37:13

material the matter and the energy out

0:37:16

of the product I can provide that to you

0:37:18

very cheaply so the information content

0:37:21

products got cheap but

0:37:24

Stakes right more expensive although

0:37:27

there's a slight benefit if you can

0:37:29

manufacture a hundred thousand cows and

0:37:32

I can use machines right then there

0:37:34

that's a deflationary thing one thing

0:37:37

you can't easily manufacture more of is

0:37:39

three acres of beachfront property in

0:37:41

the Hamptons

0:37:42

that's very difficult right and if you

0:37:45

look at the cost of a Palm Beach House

0:37:47

they're a hundred million dollars right

0:37:50

okay so a hundred million dollars for a

0:37:52

house on two acres or three acres in

0:37:54

Palm Beach now ask yourself the question

0:37:56

why isn't that getting cheaper that

0:37:59

thing's going up a lot

0:38:02

the problem coming back to money is is

0:38:06

um Fiat currencies aren't anchored in

0:38:10

energy uh when we were on the gold

0:38:12

standard theoretically during the gold

0:38:15

age 1870 to 1914 if a if a dollar uh was

0:38:20

convertible at a 20th ounce of gold

0:38:22

right and you really pegged it hard to

0:38:26

then you're anchoring the currency

0:38:29

into a hard asset now gold isn't um

0:38:34

isn't um fixed in Supply the gold Supply

0:38:38

increases at two percent a year two to

0:38:40

three percent a year so if you're on the

0:38:42

gold standard that means that the supply

0:38:45

of money would be increasing at two

0:38:46

percent a year or an otherwise doubling

0:38:49

every 35 years

0:38:50

so so money under the gold standard

0:38:54

perfectly executed bleeds energy every

0:38:58

35 years it's got a half-life of 35

0:39:00

years but that creates stable prices Tom

0:39:04

because the economy grows at two to

0:39:07

three percent a year

0:39:08

so if the economy grows three percent a

0:39:11

year if the money loses three percent of

0:39:13

its value a year then everything kind of

0:39:15

stays stable right the demand increases

0:39:17

the supply increases right that's a good

0:39:21

situation in that case you can save your

0:39:24

money and 30 years from now your money

0:39:26

will be worth as much as it is today

0:39:31

if um if it turns out that you're saving

0:39:34

your money and the supply of money is

0:39:35

increasing at seven percent a year then

0:39:38

the money is cut in half every 10 years

0:39:40

right and so that means in 30 years uh

0:39:43

the amount of money you have will be cut

0:39:45

in half once twice three times

0:39:48

so you would you would have uh 12 and a

0:39:52

half percent of your wealth in 30 years

0:39:55

saving money under the Fiat standard uh

0:39:58

under uh under a seven percent regime

0:40:00

now seven percent was the about the rate

0:40:03

that the US was inflating the dollar

0:40:05

supply but in the developing World in

0:40:08

weaker countries uh you would see them

0:40:10

inflate the the money supply about

0:40:12

double that 14 so the half-life of their

0:40:16

money is five years the half-life of the

0:40:18

dollar is ten years most people don't

0:40:20

even notice 10 years is half-life except

0:40:22

that anecdotally

0:40:24

if you asked anybody in the past 20

0:40:25

years are you going to save your life

0:40:28

savings in a checking account that earns

0:40:30

one or two percent interest in dollars

0:40:32

they would tell you no I I know

0:40:35

intuitively the cost of a college

0:40:36

education is going to go up the cost of

0:40:39

a house is going to go up I can't just

0:40:41

save in dollars that generate zero

0:40:42

percent interest

0:40:44

so the so under the Fiat standard the

0:40:47

money supply is expanding from seven to

0:40:49

fourteen percent a year depending on

0:40:51

where you are until we got to covid and

0:40:54

in covid everything doubled and so you

0:40:57

started seeing a much more rapid

0:40:58

collapse in the value of fiat currency

0:41:00

the US dollar expanded the money supply

0:41:03

uh 15 to 20 percent a year and so in the

0:41:08

U.S we expanded the money supply maybe

0:41:10

40 percent and so U.S single family

0:41:12

homes went up in price 40 percent oh God

0:41:15

I think about the correlation the price

0:41:18

of a house is 40 higher than it was 24

0:41:20

months ago the amount of money in

0:41:23

dollars is 40 higher than 24 months ago

0:41:26

the number of houses are about the same

0:41:28

the number of people want them about the

0:41:31

makes sense

0:41:32

now if you go to other countries if you

0:41:35

look at uh currencies outside the US in

0:41:38

the past 12 months right the Chinese

0:41:40

currency is weakened seven percent

0:41:41

Australians down eight the euro is down

0:41:44

15 percent the wands down 15 the pounds

0:41:47

down 17 South African Rands down 18

0:41:51

polish a lot is down 18 and Japanese

0:41:53

Yen's down 24

0:41:55

in dollar terms what's happening

0:41:59

they're putting more money

0:42:00

right it's even a bigger issue for them

0:42:03

the Japanese

0:42:05

have pegged the 10-year interest rate at

0:42:07

25 basis points

0:42:09

and um the U.S 10-year interest rate

0:42:12

right is is uh more than 10x that

0:42:16

the Japanese Central Bank is printing

0:42:19

infinite yen in order to keep in order

0:42:21

to buy every Bond and keep the price of

0:42:24

bonds much much higher than they would

0:42:27

otherwise be so they're holding up the

0:42:29

price of bonds by pumping yen in the

0:42:32

economy and the reason as they do that

0:42:34

the Yen crashes against the dollar

0:42:37

but of course it's even crashing faster

0:42:40

against scarce desirable assets if you

0:42:43

price a barrel of oil in dollars it just

0:42:45

got 24 more expensive in Japan

0:42:50

because they want to hold up prop up

0:42:52

asset prices they want to Pro they have

0:42:55

institutions that are holding Bond

0:42:58

portfolios of Yen and the they have

0:43:01

institutions Holding stock portfolios

0:43:05

and if they stop printing in to hold up

0:43:08

the asset prices those those uh

0:43:10

portfolios of assets will crash

0:43:13

and if they crash than the inflationary

0:43:16

impact well if those portfolios of

0:43:19

assets crash then the banks or the

0:43:21

investors that hold them will be

0:43:23

technically insolvent and go bankrupt

0:43:25

if I'm a bank and I have 10 billion

0:43:27

dollars of assets and seven or eight

0:43:30

billion dollars in loans outstanding

0:43:33

then I look solvent but if those assets

0:43:36

are in sovereign debt and the sovereign

0:43:38

debt crashes by two or three billion I'm

0:43:40

technically insolvent it creates a

0:43:43

banking crisis or a financial crisis so

0:43:46

it gets worse than this right Tom that's

0:43:49

the good news those are strong countries

0:43:51

great

0:43:52

the bad news is like Sri Lanka Argentina

0:43:55

turkey now are those the same thing just

0:43:59

played out on a longer timeline

0:44:01

those are examples where the

0:44:03

government's printing even more money so

0:44:05

for example the cost and Turkish lira up

0:44:08

120 over 12 months

0:44:11

so the Turkish lira is crashing more

0:44:13

than 50 percent against the dollar the

0:44:15

Argentine peso is crashing in Sri Lanka

0:44:19

Sri Lanka crashed the entire economy and

0:44:22

the government how'd they do it well

0:44:24

first they uh they made it illegal to

0:44:27

use fertilizer to grow crops and they

0:44:30

kind of crushed the the farming business

0:44:33

then they um they printed too much money

0:44:36

under a modern monetary theory that they

0:44:39

could just print money so they crash

0:44:41

their currency then they couldn't afford

0:44:43

to buy fuel they couldn't buy energy or

0:44:46

gasoline so then they actually

0:44:49

regulated the use of gasoline by saying

0:44:52

that private citizens couldn't actually

0:44:53

buy gasoline

0:44:55

then the people rioted and they toppled

0:44:58

the government because if you're going

0:45:01

to starve me to death and freeze me to

0:45:03

death and then lock me

0:45:06

and and deprive me of my car right

0:45:10

you you're pretty much like ripped me

0:45:12

back to the Stone Age right you're gonna

0:45:14

freeze to death walk everywhere and

0:45:17

there's no food to eat

0:45:19

why because it got excessive government

0:45:21

intervention right the these ESG

0:45:24

policies that are totally irrational

0:45:26

so you can have irrational policies

0:45:29

let's go let's go into ESG because this

0:45:31

is actually super controversial yeah but

0:45:34

very interesting so for somebody that

0:45:35

doesn't know what an ESG policy is what

0:45:37

is ESG

0:45:39

it's when I decide that um the say

0:45:43

nuclear power is bad but solar power is

0:45:46

good but natural gas is bad

0:45:51

wind power is good when when you start

0:45:55

to decide and dictate how people will

0:45:57

generate energy

0:45:59

right and and or or when I decide you

0:46:03

can't use fertilizer in order to grow

0:46:05

food because also a green decision

0:46:08

yeah because fertilizers have phosphates

0:46:11

in them and they decide the phosphates

0:46:13

are bad for the water and so they didn't

0:46:16

want people to not use them

0:46:18

so as the as the government starts to

0:46:20

implement policies about how you will or

0:46:23

will not produce food how you will or

0:46:25

will not produce energy or heat

0:46:28

what happens is ultimately they drive up

0:46:30

the price of food

0:46:32

right if you don't use fertilizer then

0:46:35

your crop yields get cut in half

0:46:37

if your crop Gales get cut in half food

0:46:39

price doubles

0:46:40

if you're not allowed to use gasoline

0:46:42

and you have to use a you know electric

0:46:45

powered car

0:46:46

the cost of the car doubles

0:46:49

crop prices your food price doubles

0:46:51

again now it's 4X as much

0:46:53

if I if I double the money supply by

0:46:56

printing a bunch of money to give to

0:46:58

someone to pursue some aim that I agree

0:47:02

now the price doubles again so I've

0:47:04

increased the price of everything by a

0:47:05

factor of eight how dangerous do you

0:47:07

think this moment is for the U.S

0:47:11

it's pretty dangerous

0:47:14

we're the richest company a country in

0:47:16

the world though so the US the U.S

0:47:19

um has the world's Reserve currency so

0:47:22

if you think about the way the economy

0:47:24

worked 24 months ago

0:47:28

the uh the the countries like China or

0:47:32

sorry countries like Russia and the like

0:47:35

export a a trillion dollars worth of raw

0:47:38

materials like uh energy and metals and

0:47:43

the like and in countries like China

0:47:45

export a trillion dollars worth of

0:47:47

products and services

0:47:50

and we pay for them by sending back two

0:47:53

trillion dollars worth of dollars

0:47:56

so what we do is we export 2 trillion

0:47:58

worth of inflation and they export 2

0:48:00

trillion worth of products and services

0:48:03

and energy

0:48:06

because we run the banking system of the

0:48:08

world right the banking Network plus the

0:48:11

US Dollars the world Reserve currency

0:48:13

really is I need to ask because I don't

0:48:15

understand so when we send them the two

0:48:17

trillion dollars we are creating that

0:48:19

money in order to make those purchases

0:48:21

yeah so we're not just taking money that

0:48:23

we've already saved

0:48:27

let's say there's 50 trillion dollars

0:48:29

circulating around the world and we just

0:48:31

print two trillion more

0:48:32

now there's 52 trillion we've inflated

0:48:35

uh We've inflated the currency Supply by

0:48:38

four percent we've devalued everything

0:48:41

by four percent and we've traded two

0:48:44

trillion dollars worth of US dollars for

0:48:47

two trillion dollars worth of coal or

0:48:50

or products or iPhones or labor or

0:48:53

something

0:48:54

right and and that's the way it works

0:48:57

right and and the reason it works out

0:48:59

what what is the real export the US

0:49:01

provides Financial Economic Security

0:49:08

like for example if you live in Mexico

0:49:08

or you live in Argentina and you've got

0:49:10

a million dollars are you going to save

0:49:11

it in the peso you're going to save it

0:49:14

the dollar right

0:49:16

how are you going to save your money

0:49:18

if you um if you export uh a hundred

0:49:21

billion dollars of oil from the Middle

0:49:23

East and we give you back a hundred

0:49:25

billion dollars in dollars what are you

0:49:28

going to do with 100 billion dollars

0:49:30

you buy t-bills with it so you buy

0:49:33

sovereign debt

0:49:34

that yields two percent interest

0:49:36

and so now if you hold a hundred billion

0:49:39

dollars worth of sovereign debt now if I

0:49:41

double the money supply it's worth half

0:49:43

that much right so so in essence

0:49:47

if I'm increasing the the supply of

0:49:50

dollars by seven percent a year

0:49:52

and if you're holding a hundred billion

0:49:55

dollars of my debt then you're paying

0:49:57

seven billion dollars a year to hold the

0:49:59

debt so I'm charging you seven billion

0:50:02

dollars

0:50:04

for the privilege of giving you a bank

0:50:06

to put your 100 billion dollars in it's

0:50:08

a negative interest rate right

0:50:10

negative real yield

0:50:12

if you if you do it 10 years in a row I

0:50:14

take 70 billion dollars from you whoa

0:50:17

but the question is what else are you

0:50:18

going to do you're going to put in gold

0:50:24

if you have a billion dollars what are

0:50:24

you going to put it in well the Russians

0:50:26

put it in gold we just seized the gold

0:50:30

you're gonna buy yacht with it

0:50:33

how much we might take the yacht you're

0:50:34

going to buy land with it

0:50:36

whose land land in another country

0:50:39

I already own all the land in my own

0:50:41

country right so so

0:50:45

the U.S primary export is inflation

0:50:50

that's what we do and it's a good it's a

0:50:52

good situation right we're running the

0:50:54

banking system and we're printing more

0:50:56

money that our primary export is

0:50:58

monetary call it monetary technology in

0:51:02

the form of the US dollar it's the most

0:51:03

desired instrument and what we trade for

0:51:06

it is uh is we get energy

0:51:09

or we get products or services in return

0:51:12

for exporting the doll

0:51:14

right right now we're on this cusp

0:51:16

because

0:51:21

we're exporting too many dollars

0:51:22

and uh and that causes the collapse of

0:51:25

other countries currencies and when

0:51:29

their currencies collapse their

0:51:30

governments collapse so the U.S the U.S

0:51:33

won't collapse the the first countries

0:51:35

to collapse will be

0:51:37

Zimbabwe

0:51:39

Lebanon

0:51:41

Syria right Iraq Iran right not any

0:51:46

country not Iran but but Afghanistan

0:51:51

South America all throughout

0:51:54

you know

0:51:55

they they're they're all being

0:51:56

destabilized Sri Lanka

0:51:58

so what you have is you have this

0:52:00

Rippling wave of destabilizations in the

0:52:03

developing world you have a weakening

0:52:06

in the developed world

0:52:08

as their currencies weaken they're going

0:52:11

to suffer from inflation if we have

0:52:14

inflation that's eight percent in the US

0:52:16

dollar

0:52:17

and if the Japanese

0:52:19

Yen weakens 24 against the US dollar in

0:52:23

one year and if the Japanese have to buy

0:52:26

oil priced in dollars what's their

0:52:28

inflation rate going to be

0:52:30

now right now

0:52:32

the government the official figures

0:52:34

they'll tell you it's low

0:52:36

but and uh you can do that as long as

0:52:39

you as long as you define the metric but

0:52:42

there's only so long you can do it at

0:52:44

the point where nobody can actually

0:52:45

afford to buy gasoline or buy energy and

0:52:49

their cars don't run

0:52:51

and they can't Heat their home

0:52:53

right then you can you can no longer uh

0:52:57

persuade the public that there is no

0:52:59

inflation problem then you have a

0:53:01

problem and now the question is how are

0:53:03

you going to deal with it

0:53:05

and of course there's how does the

0:53:08

government deal with it uh first they'll

0:53:10

persuade you that they won't count this

0:53:12

and then they won't include have you

0:53:15

ever heard the phrase a core inflation

0:53:17

doesn't include the highly volatile food

0:53:20

and energy

0:53:21

I haven't known but there's there's

0:53:24

actually an inflation measure core

0:53:26

inflation that does not include food and

0:53:28

energy so first I'll try to persuade you

0:53:31

not to actually pay attention to the

0:53:33

cost of food and energy

0:53:35

but uh at some point I'll accept it but

0:53:39

I will I will pick a different measure

0:53:41

of food and energy I'm not going to

0:53:43

measure the cost of a stake I'm going to

0:53:45

measure the cost of a soybean Burger

0:53:48

right I'm I'm going to measure the cost

0:53:50

of of manufactured you know agricultural

0:53:54

grain products that are cheaper I'm not

0:53:57

going to measure the cost of of some

0:53:59

organic vegetable that's more expensive

0:54:01

so you'll see a distortion of that and

0:54:04

then at some point

0:54:06

you see a normalization of behavior like

0:54:10

there's the old world economic Forum

0:54:12

mean you know you'll own nothing and

0:54:14

you'll be happy

0:54:15

it's like well I've decided that eating

0:54:18

meat is bad for me

0:54:20

like so first you can't afford it now

0:54:21

you now it's bad for you to eat it so

0:54:24

I'm not really upset that I can't afford

0:54:26

it because it was bad anyway or

0:54:28

um you know if you're a patriot you're

0:54:30

not going to actually cool your home

0:54:32

below 80 degrees in the summer and

0:54:35

you're not going to heat your house yeah

0:54:37

you remember during the energy crisis

0:54:39

you don't remember this in the 70s right

0:54:41

it was your patriotic duty to turn the

0:54:43

thermostat down in the winter and turn

0:54:46

the thermostat up in the summer so

0:54:49

this happens in Wars too right and a war

0:54:52

becomes your patriotic duty to do

0:54:54

without

0:54:55

right in a war in a war I I get it you

0:54:58

know obviously assuming that it's a

0:55:00

Justified War but I would like to go

0:55:02

back to this idea of

0:55:06

um the government basically not getting

0:55:09

you to look at the um well one I want to

0:55:12

tie this back to we started this because

0:55:14

we were talking about the the green

0:55:16

mandates having a knock-on effect that

0:55:19

people aren't paying attention to so you

0:55:21

put these Draconian rules in for energy

0:55:24

production the one that's always

0:55:26

confused me again is like a total

0:55:27

Outsider but uh not doing nuclear energy

0:55:31

just seems crazy so that we can get

0:55:34

energy self-sufficient that seems to tie

0:55:36

into this idea of a globalized economy

0:55:39

which I think we're seeing the risks of

0:55:41

that play out now certainly with Russia

0:55:44

and the Ukraine I think that it could

0:55:46

potentially play out uh just as

0:55:48

disruptively with China but so you've

0:55:51

got this belief in globalization so now

0:55:54

I uh I believe I can get my energy from

0:55:58

Russia or from wherever and so we're

0:56:00

going to be fine we don't need to do

0:56:01

these you know ultra high risk nuclear

0:56:04

things but you start so you start

0:56:06

putting in these is ESG what what's the

0:56:09

initials

0:56:11

environmental social and governance okay

0:56:15

so you've got the ESG rules uh forcing

0:56:18

people to do things a certain way which

0:56:19

don't necessarily have all the economic

0:56:21

consequences that we would like very

0:56:23

negative

0:56:24

okay now as inflation starts to happen

0:56:27

we've got the government saying well

0:56:28

don't look at food and electricity which

0:56:31

seemed like the two things you're going

0:56:32

to interface with constantly uh

0:56:36

how do we like what is the path out of

0:56:39

that like that seems really high risk in

0:56:44

terms of

0:56:45

negative impact on uh uh the the

0:56:49

individual person really beginning to to

0:56:52

struggle they're gonna start asking why

0:56:53

am I being asked to give up all this and

0:56:55

then if you don't have a really good

0:56:57

justification then they're gonna Rebel

0:56:59

which gives the government an incentive

0:57:01

to come up with a really good

0:57:02

justification which makes me nervous

0:57:06

well the problem is too much government

0:57:08

and uh and and the most dysfunctional

0:57:11

societies are the ones that have have

0:57:14

the strongest most pervasive governments

0:57:16

because they're the ones that can

0:57:18

actually take the economic decisions to

0:57:20

[ __ ] the economy completely not only

0:57:22

no checks and balances so the I mean the

0:57:26

impact and the damage of the lockdowns

0:57:28

was much worse in Canada and Australia

0:57:32

and New Zealand because they had strong

0:57:34

centralized governments and it was

0:57:36

weaker in the U.S because we had state

0:57:40

governments if it wasn't for Florida and

0:57:43

Texas we might not have ever reopened

0:57:45

our economy right but the fact that uh

0:57:48

that Florida and Texas reopened and and

0:57:51

people functioned

0:57:53

became the uh the incentive and or the

0:57:57

air cover for New York and California to

0:57:59

reopen so

0:58:01

if you're an individual

0:58:04

the solution is you run to the place

0:58:07

with the least government figure out

0:58:09

where that is and you run away from the

0:58:11

place with the most government because

0:58:13

the most authoritarian government is

0:58:15

probably going to choke you to death uh

0:58:17

if you're if you're politically engaged

0:58:20

the answer is is vote for and Lobby your

0:58:24

politicians for Less government

0:58:27

right as long as politicians think

0:58:30

government is the solution

0:58:32

you'll get more of it when they start

0:58:34

thinking that government is the problem

0:58:36

you'll get less of it you know all of

0:58:39

the you know the problem we have here is

0:58:41

we don't have one more we have 12 Wars

0:58:43

we have the war on terror we have the

0:58:45

war of misinformation we have the war on

0:58:48

carbon we have the war on culture we

0:58:51

have the war in Ukraine we have the war

0:58:54

fill in the blank

0:58:57

on radical Islam we have the war for

0:59:00

democracy there's so many different Wars

0:59:04

you know a single terrorist event

0:59:07

look at what happened in 9 11 two things

0:59:09

one we decided we're going to go to Iraq

0:59:12

and we fought a war in Iraq a country

0:59:13

had nothing to do with 9 11.

0:59:16

and it cost us what a trillion dollars

0:59:19

and how many lives and then we also uh

0:59:23

implemented TSA restrictions and

0:59:25

security restrictions and so even to

0:59:27

this day we are now 22 years later

0:59:30

you can't get on an airplane you know

0:59:33

without going through a horrific amount

0:59:36

of security issues and ostensibly all

0:59:38

that Security is to keep you safe in the

0:59:40

airplane but

0:59:42

if I wanted to blow up a bomb I could

0:59:44

just walk into the security line of the

0:59:45

airport and blow up the bomb without

0:59:47

going through that and if I if I really

0:59:50

was a terrorist I could just walk into a

0:59:51

church or walk into any restaurant or

0:59:53

any other public gathering space where

0:59:55

they're just as many people

0:59:57

and so we didn't really get more

0:59:59

security what we got is is uh more

1:00:04

Authority more of a police state and uh

1:00:08

so you each of these incidences

1:00:10

a terrifying thing

1:00:12

right uh becomes an excuse for the

1:00:14

government to to encroach more on

1:00:18

freedom

1:00:19

I don't know that it's easy to actually

1:00:21

fix that problem in any given country

1:00:23

right not so easy but on a minor level

1:00:26

right you can campaign for freedom in

1:00:28

your municipality or you're a county or

1:00:31

your state Maybe

1:00:33

you can you can um

1:00:35

it does have an impact you can relocate

1:00:38

yourself to a place that's more free

1:00:40

from a place that's less free

1:00:42

right I I personally wouldn't live in a

1:00:44

place where

1:00:46

an official could by edict confine me to

1:00:50

my home as long as they want for any

1:00:53

reason they want without my approval

1:00:55

without a court order you know without a

1:00:59

right you know if you look at American

1:01:01

history most of the of the

1:01:02

Constitutional fights where presidents

1:01:04

wanted to declare war without an act of

1:01:06

Congress and Congress is supposed to

1:01:08

actually vote on it

1:01:10

so if you live in a society where people

1:01:13

can declare war on anything and

1:01:14

everything without even a debate in the

1:01:17

legislature late the legislative branch

1:01:20

what good is it to elect people that are

1:01:23

actually against that given policy if

1:01:26

they don't even get a say in it right

1:01:28

why do you think touchdown control

1:01:29

doesn't work

1:01:31

why does top down control not work

1:01:34

because it's the decision of one

1:01:37

individual versus the wisdom of the

1:01:41

marketplace

1:01:42

the you know the marketplace is trying

1:01:45

to find it's like

1:01:47

the market New York City as a as a set

1:01:52

of 10 million people figures out how to

1:01:53

run itself every day

1:01:55

and if one person got up in the morning

1:01:58

and decided they were going to issue

1:02:00

orders to all 10 million people and tell

1:02:02

every one of them when to go to the

1:02:04

bathroom

1:02:05

you know like it probably wouldn't work

1:02:07

so well right it's just it's impossible

1:02:10

for uh a centralized entity to actually

1:02:14

make decisions that are as rational as

1:02:16

uh decentralized Marketplace

1:02:20

humans though seem to have a historical

1:02:22

perspective continually gravitate back

1:02:25

towards the centralized top-down control

1:02:27

do you think that there's something just

1:02:29

inherent to the psyche where is it

1:02:31

arrogance that we believe we can do it

1:02:33

is it that we really want to help and we

1:02:35

feel like we know the answer and so we

1:02:37

go into politics and we start we only

1:02:39

have that one lever and so let me just

1:02:41

keep adding things on the books like

1:02:43

what on Earth is it that allows us to

1:02:46

look at say the 20th century and go

1:02:49

ah that was just done poorly let me show

1:02:51

you how it's really done

1:02:53

you know the tendency's been here since

1:02:56

time immemorial goes back thousands and

1:02:58

thousands of years right the battle

1:03:00

in ancient Greece you know over is a

1:03:03

monarchy better than a democracy better

1:03:05

than an aristocracy right it's it's a

1:03:08

question that's been dealt with by

1:03:09

ancient philosophers

1:03:11

you know the Romans had a republic they

1:03:13

thought was better than Philip of

1:03:15

macedon's kingdom

1:03:18

and you know they had debates 2500 years

1:03:20

ago and so I don't think it's new I

1:03:24

think there's been a continual fight

1:03:27

yin and yang uh between this the only

1:03:31

thing that's different today is that

1:03:33

technology

1:03:35

um allows for the centralization of more

1:03:38

Authority if a billion people are all

1:03:40

getting their information on one website

1:03:42

then whoever controls that website

1:03:45

can control what information flows to

1:03:48

those billion people with a Flip Flip of

1:03:50

a switch

1:03:51

and when a billion people had to talk to

1:03:53

each other no one person could decide

1:03:56

what was said with a flip of a switch so

1:03:59

so I think technology is inherently

1:04:03

um centralizing to a certain degree and

1:04:06

that is exacerbated the issue have you

1:04:09

read Matt Ridley's book The Evolution of

1:04:11

everything

1:04:12

no I haven't

1:04:13

it's really interesting I don't know if

1:04:14

you're familiar with him as an author uh

1:04:16

but he wrote a book called the rational

1:04:17

Optimist another really great book He's

1:04:20

written a few I think he also was the

1:04:22

one that wrote the Red Queen which is

1:04:23

basically evolution is about running as

1:04:25

fast as you can to effectively stay in

1:04:27

place and

1:04:29

in the book he he goes into why the

1:04:34

basically you have two ways to look at

1:04:36

the world you have a a creationist

1:04:38

point of view where it's like a top-down

1:04:40

God created the or the universe you know

1:04:43

let there be light and everything went

1:04:44

into motion and so hey top down that

1:04:46

works and then you've got an

1:04:47

evolutionary lens where everything is

1:04:49

bottom up and he goes and makes a very

1:04:51

credible case why a lot of the things

1:04:54

that we think of as being

1:04:57

um top down were really bottom up and

1:05:00

I've heard you talk a lot about in

1:05:02

drawing parallels to bitcoin

1:05:04

you've talked a lot about like hey if

1:05:06

you look at any City that's you know a

1:05:08

couple hundred years old the buildings

1:05:10

are all six stories tall and they're six

1:05:12

stories tall because that's what masonry

1:05:13

and a wood frame is going to get you and

1:05:16

people without electricity are not going

1:05:17

to be able to go up more than six

1:05:19

flights of stairs and so you hypothesize

1:05:21

that hey if you went and looked at Rome

1:05:23

my guess is that in Rome they're

1:05:25

probably going to be six feet tall

1:05:26

there's just a materials problem and so

1:05:29

you end up getting

1:05:32

skyscrapers the way that we think of

1:05:33

them now as the steel comes along and

1:05:36

now steel can build bigger buildings

1:05:38

you've got electricity so you can do an

1:05:40

elevator and so

1:05:42

steel wasn't this moment of or

1:05:44

skyscrapers not a moment of pure genius

1:05:47

by an architect it's the ground up of

1:05:50

like oh look steel becomes the thing

1:05:51

electricity becomes a thing Architects

1:05:53

are learning something and so this one

1:05:56

thing is probably more a reflection of

1:06:00

its time than it is this Staggering

1:06:03

Genius where somebody lurches us forward

1:06:05

and so he looks at all these classic

1:06:07

cases where we thought it was one person

1:06:10

that really did this thing like there's

1:06:12

something like seven people uh in

1:06:16

different countries that came up with a

1:06:17

light bulb that almost exactly the same

1:06:19

time and so in the west we of course

1:06:21

hear about Thomas Edison but in reality

1:06:23

he's saying no no this was just an idea

1:06:24

whose time had come

1:06:26

and it really gave me a very visceral

1:06:29

understanding of the difference between

1:06:32

somebody that just the subroutine

1:06:34

running in the back of their mind is

1:06:36

creationist in origin that I view

1:06:38

everything through the lens of uh a

1:06:41

particular genius Sparks and then

1:06:43

something moves forward versus all the

1:06:46

things you mistake for that including

1:06:48

the universe itself is actually a

1:06:50

bottom-up phenomenon and once you flip

1:06:53

your thinking over to everything evolves

1:06:55

everything comes from the bottom up you

1:06:57

begin to come up with

1:06:59

solutions that are more effective right

1:07:01

and so going back to the old adage I

1:07:05

forget who it was that came Yeltsin

1:07:07

maybe that came from Russia and was

1:07:09

doing a tour of a grocery store and he

1:07:11

just could not believe like the shelves

1:07:13

are all full and he's like but who

1:07:15

decides the price of bread and they're

1:07:17

like what do you mean like it's just set

1:07:19

locally at the local store

1:07:22

and that is top down thinking where it's

1:07:25

so embedded into your psyche you can't

1:07:27

even conceive of another way to do it

1:07:29

versus us where you know we wouldn't

1:07:32

think to have somebody tell us it's like

1:07:34

well you just set the price based on

1:07:36

what somebody can control there but I

1:07:38

feel as somebody who's just old enough

1:07:41

you know I was a kid when Reagan was

1:07:43

President and now I can feel everything

1:07:44

shifting in the opposite direction which

1:07:47

brings me to the question I really want

1:07:48

to ask you point blank

1:07:51

what what do you think it uh so I'll

1:07:54

I'll lead you down a Garden Path I think

1:07:56

the problem is that the reality of the

1:07:59

market is it leaves some people behind

1:08:01

some businesses collapse and that's

1:08:02

painful some people will lose their

1:08:05

Generations worth of wealth in a bad

1:08:07

decision

1:08:08

and if you're not willing to let some

1:08:10

people uh get eaten by the lion

1:08:14

you got to go top down the problem is

1:08:16

you then crush them you you cuddle them

1:08:18

to death

1:08:24

what's your thought on that

1:08:24

I I think that if you're an individual

1:08:26

looking for the rational path forward

1:08:28

what you want to do is embrace

1:08:32

Technologies or ideologies

1:08:35

that um

1:08:38

that reinforce individual sovereignty

1:08:41

and freedom

1:08:42

and uh and they're rational so so hence

1:08:46

Bitcoin right like if you're gonna if

1:08:49

you have

1:08:50

um a bunch of money and you have a

1:08:53

choice are you gonna buy a million

1:08:55

dollars of gold and put it in a bank of

1:08:57

a centralized institution that will

1:08:59

seize it are you going to buy a million

1:09:01

dollars of land in the middle of Beijing

1:09:03

where the government of China could just

1:09:05

take it from you are you going to buy a

1:09:07

million dollars worth of a stock in a

1:09:11

Chinese company how about American

1:09:13

company how about an Argentinian company

1:09:16

or are you going to buy a million

1:09:18

dollars worth of a crypto asset that's

1:09:20

in cyberspace beyond the reach

1:09:23

of a government or a corporation

1:09:26

and so clearly that the answer is if you

1:09:30

take all of your money and all of your

1:09:33

power and you put it in the middle of

1:09:35

Beijing

1:09:36

right they own you and what if you're if

1:09:41

your life is not consistent with the

1:09:42

policies of that government then you

1:09:44

lose everything when you put if you took

1:09:47

all your money and you you invested it

1:09:50

in New York City the mayor of New York

1:09:52

could just take it and if if New York if

1:09:55

you took all your money and you put it

1:09:56

in New Zealand and New Zealand locked

1:09:58

down the economy for a year

1:10:01

right then they own you

1:10:03

so so if you're looking for sovereignty

1:10:06

and freedom or a rational path forward

1:10:09

where you get a choice then you need to

1:10:13

actually put your property beyond the

1:10:15

reach of a government that might be

1:10:18

irrational

1:10:19

or uh that might be capricious and you

1:10:23

need to put it beyond the reach of a

1:10:25

corporation that might be influenced by

1:10:27

said government

1:10:29

do you think though even with Bitcoin so

1:10:30

as I as I run this experiment in my own

1:10:34

I always come down to but the government

1:10:36

could still say if you own Bitcoin

1:10:39

you're going to pay this tax and at that

1:10:42

point I just have to leave the [ __ ]

1:10:44

country I mean that seems like the only

1:10:45

solution like this ultimately does come

1:10:47

down to any government could act however

1:10:49

they want they can put whatever mandate

1:10:51

on you they want and I think part of

1:10:55

where people's the average person's

1:10:58

willingness to adopt Bitcoin comes down

1:11:00

to that thought of like Jesus man if the

1:11:03

government is coming after me and they

1:11:05

could

1:11:06

foreign

1:11:08

do I really want to flee like so I think

1:11:11

well like let's come back to that so

1:11:14

let's say that let's make this easier

1:11:16

what if you were in Zimbabwe right now

1:11:18

and you had a million dollars

1:11:19

well it's easy for me as an American to

1:11:21

be like yeah of course I'd flee Zimbabwe

1:11:23

well let me turn around why don't why

1:11:25

don't you just go it doesn't matter

1:11:26

you're not going to want to flee why

1:11:27

don't you just go ahead and invest it in

1:11:28

the Town Square in the middle of a

1:11:29

village in Zimbabwe

1:11:32

I mean the point because that definitely

1:11:34

does feel riskier I'm now I'm you know

1:11:38

gluing something down so I'll give you

1:11:40

even in my own life in fact I'll be like

1:11:42

why don't we just Why Don't We sync you

1:11:43

up to your knees in concrete in the Town

1:11:45

Square in Zimbabwe I mean while we're on

1:11:47

that suburb the point really is

1:11:52

you have a physical presence in this

1:11:55

world and so ultimately maybe they won't

1:11:57

let you out through the airport right

1:12:00

what if I just tell you I'm going to

1:12:01

murder you next Monday will you leave

1:12:04

will you stay right maybe you can't

1:12:06

leave right but the point is is

1:12:10

um there are a whole set of decisions

1:12:12

you can make in life where you don't

1:12:13

have the choice

1:12:15

if you make the decision to invest your

1:12:17

family's life savings in a building in a

1:12:20

country in Africa run by a dictator

1:12:23

you have given up the option

1:12:27

to live in Europe you've given up the

1:12:29

option to leave you've got the option to

1:12:31

do anything so the question really is

1:12:35

do you want the option or do you want to

1:12:37

give up the option because one is the

1:12:39

choice of death the other is a choice of

1:12:41

Life there is no guarantee if you leave

1:12:44

Africa and come to the US it seems like

1:12:46

it's pretty obvious to me like the truth

1:12:47

is everybody in the world would leave a

1:12:49

weak country and come to a strong

1:12:51

country everybody that's why we have a

1:12:53

border issue right everybody wants to be

1:12:55

in America so that's not a hard sell if

1:12:58

you come back to the issue of well I'm

1:13:00

an entitled American will I ever want to

1:13:02

leave America maybe you won't but the

1:13:04

point there is

1:13:06

if you had a choice between being rich

1:13:08

and living in Texas or being destitute

1:13:12

and living in California

1:13:15

would you cling to California and be

1:13:17

destitute or would you be rich and live

1:13:18

in Texas because that doesn't seem so

1:13:21

controversial either

1:13:23

it seems pretty obvious that if you can

1:13:25

go to one state where you can live

1:13:27

happily of what if I told you you're

1:13:29

going to be locked in your bedroom for

1:13:30

the next decade if you live in one state

1:13:33

and you're going to starve to death or

1:13:35

you can move to another state and you

1:13:37

can live a normal life

1:13:39

you're like well

1:13:41

isn't it obvious that you would like the

1:13:44

option to live in the place that will

1:13:47

allow you to breed the air freely and

1:13:49

conduct your business

1:13:51

right when when one place says you can't

1:13:53

sit at dinner with your family and the

1:13:56

other place says you can have dinner

1:13:57

with your family you're going to want to

1:13:59

leave from point A to point B so you

1:14:02

won't be able to do it

1:14:04

if your property is fixed

1:14:07

right I mean a lot of people a lot of

1:14:09

Jews died in Nazi Germany in the 30s

1:14:12

because their property was fixed in

1:14:14

Germany they didn't want to leave and

1:14:16

they got trapped there if their property

1:14:18

had been in a crypto asset like Bitcoin

1:14:21

and they could have left

1:14:23

they'd be alive

1:14:25

and and uh it's not that hard to make

1:14:28

that point and you can you can you can

1:14:30

illustrate that with every expatriate

1:14:32

and every immigrant uh fleeing you know

1:14:35

every war zone just go to

1:14:39

ask the Cubans right that fled Cuba and

1:14:42

came to Florida you know after Castro

1:14:44

came to power

1:14:46

about what they lost and how they feel

1:14:48

about it

1:14:49

so my point really is you can't fix the

1:14:53

political problem in a country like

1:14:55

Zimbabwe has been getting squeezed

1:14:57

progressively for the past 50 years

1:15:00

and Cuba is the same way you might not

1:15:03

be able to change an entire regime but

1:15:06

you do have a choice as to whether or

1:15:09

not you will uh you will commit yourself

1:15:13

or allow yourself to be owned by the

1:15:16

regime and when you actually choose to

1:15:19

put money like for example when you

1:15:21

choose to save your money in the peso

1:15:24

you accept the inflation of the peso

1:15:26

would you take all your money right now

1:15:28

sell the dollars and go buy Zimbabwe

1:15:31

currency would you do that

1:15:33

probably not right it'd be seemed pretty

1:15:36

foolish would you take everything you

1:15:38

own would you take your family and would

1:15:40

you ship them to a hostile Nation would

1:15:42

you move everybody to North Korea no

1:15:44

probably not

1:15:46

but I mean it's it's such a silly

1:15:48

observation it it kind of illustrates

1:15:50

the point right

1:15:51

you have a choice

1:15:53

as to where you put yourself physically

1:15:56

and maybe you've decided physically the

1:15:59

safest places the U.S now you've got to

1:16:01

choose the state now you've got to

1:16:02

choose the city now you've got to choose

1:16:04

the house

1:16:05

you also have a choice of as to where

1:16:08

you put yourself economically your

1:16:11

wealth your balance sheet if you choose

1:16:13

the dollar you're losing seven to twenty

1:16:15

percent a year if you lose the peso

1:16:17

you're losing 50 a year if you choose

1:16:20

the Bolivar you're losing 95 of it a

1:16:23

year you have that choice and third you

1:16:26

have a choice as to where you put your

1:16:28

livelihood

1:16:29

you can choose to work as a YouTube

1:16:32

streamer you know what you depend upon

1:16:35

YouTube If you say something that causes

1:16:37

YouTube to rip your channel off your

1:16:39

livelihood goes to zero so if you choose

1:16:42

to make your livelihood on YouTube you

1:16:43

should pay attention to their policies

1:16:45

and act accordingly if your livelihood

1:16:47

is a hot dog stand in Beijing

1:16:50

actor if your livelihood is in Moscow

1:16:53

downtown

1:16:54

think about the Russian policy you act

1:16:57

accordingly everybody has a choice as to

1:17:00

where they will place their livelihood

1:17:01

what Corporation they'll be dependent

1:17:04

upon what regulator they will be

1:17:05

dependent upon what government they will

1:17:07

be dependent upon

1:17:09

right you have a lot of choices today

1:17:12

just be rational you I can't fix you

1:17:16

know all of these problems in the world

1:17:17

all I can do is say some places

1:17:21

are more permissive than others on the

1:17:24

margin I would guess that your odds of

1:17:26

being able to operate your business in

1:17:29

in the face of a potential pandemic or

1:17:31

higher in Texas than they are in certain

1:17:34

left-leaning states on the margin

1:17:36

Florida probably higher if the if the

1:17:39

governor says I'm never going to shut

1:17:41

down a business you have a right to work

1:17:44

probably you have a higher right there

1:17:45

so you get to choose but that changes

1:17:48

every month and every year right

1:17:50

so public policy is changing economic

1:17:52

policy is changing one thing is clear

1:17:54

though

1:17:56

if you put your money in Gold it'll

1:17:58

probably be seized by the by the

1:18:01

counterparty and if it isn't seized

1:18:03

you're going to lose half of it every 30

1:18:05

years

1:18:06

if you put your money in a currency

1:18:08

you're going to lose half of it every

1:18:09

five to ten years if you put your money

1:18:11

into a weak currency you lose half of it

1:18:13

every five to ten months

1:18:15

if you put your money into an equity

1:18:18

you're going to have to trust the

1:18:19

management team but the management team

1:18:22

is going to dilute you in their in their

1:18:24

pursuit of their plans and strategies

1:18:28

if the equity is valued on cash flows

1:18:31

what if I gave you the most profitable

1:18:33

company in Zimbabwe right now

1:18:36

like how much is the equity worth over

1:18:38

the next decade what are the cash flows

1:18:40

worth for a company that generates

1:18:43

Zimbabwe dollars for the next decade if

1:18:45

the dollar crashes in Zimbabwe so you

1:18:48

have to be aware that you are trusting

1:18:51

your balance sheet

1:18:53

to some macroeconomic Force and and

1:18:58

you're putting yourself in that frame of

1:18:59

reference

1:19:01

you're trusting your p l to a different

1:19:03

set of macronomic forces

1:19:05

right you're a Chinese company and you

1:19:08

do work in China and you sell food in

1:19:10

China but you save in the US dollar you

1:19:12

you have dollar exposure

1:19:14

and then you have Chinese Chinese

1:19:17

commercial exposure

1:19:18

when you're a Saudi Arabian oil company

1:19:22

you have you're selling uh oil and so

1:19:26

you have that business energy exposure

1:19:29

but then you're saving in dollars you

1:19:31

have that exposure and you can't easily

1:19:33

move the oil fields out of the country

1:19:35

you're in so you have that political

1:19:37

exposure

1:19:38

so ultimately I think the lesson I mean

1:19:42

the big idea of the last two years is

1:19:44

every individual needs to become macro

1:19:48

economically sophisticated and

1:19:50

politically sophisticated if you ran a

1:19:53

yoga studio in New York and you didn't

1:19:55

care about politics and you didn't care

1:19:58

about macroeconomics and you thought you

1:19:59

could ignore that and just study yoga

1:20:01

well you had a rude awakening right

1:20:04

when the mayor decides that it's illegal

1:20:07

to sell yoga Services you know in your

1:20:10

studio then uh then you realize that it

1:20:13

probably matters

1:20:14

what the politicians think

1:20:17

so I would say today everybody needs to

1:20:19

understand money

1:20:21

because they need to understand how to

1:20:22

protect their balance sheet they need to

1:20:24

understand property rights you may not

1:20:27

have property or you don't have property

1:20:29

rights in North Korea and Cuba you can't

1:20:31

own property but if you happen to own a

1:20:33

piece of pro you know do you have

1:20:35

property rights if you own a Coal Field

1:20:38

Maybe not maybe it's illegal to actually

1:20:40

uh mine for coal do you own natural gas

1:20:44

rights

1:20:45

maybe it's illegal to run a pipeline to

1:20:48

your natural gas field maybe you don't

1:20:50

maybe you do right so you need to

1:20:52

understand

1:20:54

do you have property and what is the

1:20:57

exposure of the property politically

1:21:00

to the jurisdiction where you have Nexus

1:21:03

and uh I want to start once you

1:21:06

understand that you make a rational

1:21:07

decision with your life and your

1:21:09

family's future decide where you look at

1:21:11

your family where you will locate your

1:21:13

business where you will locate your

1:21:14

balance sheet and then you probably want

1:21:17

to pick up the paper and read the news

1:21:18

because you can have regime change

1:21:20

right if the if the governor of a

1:21:22

certain state says I disagree 180

1:21:26

degrees with the former Governor and I'm

1:21:28

going to pursue the opposite strategy

1:21:31

how long is that Governor going to be in

1:21:33

power and how much power do they have

1:21:34

and at some point the federal government

1:21:36

May override the state government

1:21:39

right I mean the federal government will

1:21:41

act in certain jurisdictions it doesn't

1:21:43

matter what the governor thinks about

1:21:45

maybe drilling for for gas on on land

1:21:49

maybe it matters like the governor can't

1:21:52

mandate a nuclear power plant if the

1:21:55

federal government says you can't have

1:21:58

so you need to be aware of of how all

1:22:02

these things interact as you make a

1:22:04

decision about your life

1:22:06

all right I want to sum up uh what

1:22:08

you've been saying in slightly different

1:22:09

words and tell me if I'm understanding

1:22:11

all of this because every time I

1:22:13

research you every time I talk to you I

1:22:15

realize that I feel like I understand

1:22:17

everything you're saying and then I'll

1:22:19

spend you know eight more hours with you

1:22:21

and I learned that much and then I

1:22:22

learned this much more and it really

1:22:24

does impact how I view uh

1:22:28

Bitcoin for sure money definitely and

1:22:31

then the idea that I think you're trying

1:22:34

to get across between The Words which is

1:22:38

um sovereignty and Mobility so

1:22:42

for the first time in my life

1:22:44

I feel like we're entering a period of

1:22:49

uh political volatility that finally has

1:22:53

me going I don't like the idea of being

1:22:56

grounded in any one area by the things

1:22:59

that I own so I'm in the process now of

1:23:01

selling uh my homes and

1:23:05

I never thought that I would get there

1:23:07

but I happened to be in California where

1:23:10

they take a very aggressive posture uh

1:23:13

and so that clicked over for me now

1:23:16

hearing you talk just now the ability to

1:23:20

get my because right now uh a

1:23:23

significant portion of my net worth is

1:23:24

tied up in real estate and that was me

1:23:27

growing up that's where you wanted your

1:23:29

money so that was just like a sort of

1:23:31

default response

1:23:33

so tied up in real estate but to your

1:23:35

point I can't move those the blocks of

1:23:37

Los Angeles to somewhere with more

1:23:40

favorable

1:23:41

um let's say entrepreneurial leanings so

1:23:44

I'm I have a real grounding here

1:23:46

certainly with that money but I could

1:23:47

put that money in a form so one I want

1:23:49

to remind everybody what we said at the

1:23:51

beginning so money is you transferring

1:23:53

your your time your energy but also your

1:23:56

efficiency your intelligence into a

1:24:00

thing that thing could be money or in

1:24:01

this case I have a lot of for me a lot

1:24:04

of that tied up into physical property

1:24:05

and so okay we monetized real estate we

1:24:10

monetize real estate when we devalue the

1:24:13

currency and so your property becomes

1:24:15

your store of value money right which

1:24:18

getting everybody to understand that the

1:24:20

more knowledgeable somebody is about

1:24:22

money the more they are constantly

1:24:23

looking for where can I put this money

1:24:25

that it will stay it will retain the

1:24:28

purchasing power that it has or that its

1:24:30

purchasing power will go up now I live

1:24:32

40 Years of of my life without ever

1:24:34

asking that question because all I ever

1:24:36

thought about was generate money whether

1:24:39

that was generate a paycheck or whether

1:24:41

that was build equity in the company

1:24:42

that I would ultimately sell but once I

1:24:44

sold a company and all of a sudden had

1:24:46

you know a very substantial amount of

1:24:48

money

1:24:48

all of a sudden I had to understand

1:24:50

investing it was a real shock to my

1:24:52

system so just understanding that you're

1:24:54

putting your money into something that

1:24:55

you hope will retain its value or grow

1:24:57

its value over time but there are

1:24:59

massive complexities so if you're living

1:25:01

in a house and you're thinking that it's

1:25:02

doing that you're actually paying a lot

1:25:04

more money for that privilege than you

1:25:05

think so that's certainly something to

1:25:08

contemplate but anyway by looking at

1:25:11

where else I could put it you start

1:25:13

asking a series of very interesting

1:25:15

questions now one of the more

1:25:16

interesting collisions with you that I

1:25:18

think is between you and Peter Schiff

1:25:21

but not as Peter Schiff relates to Gold

1:25:23

because as you very aptly pointed out he

1:25:26

owns like five percent of his portfolios

1:25:27

in Gold he obviously doesn't have a real

1:25:29

big belief in that and the parsity does

1:25:30

have in Gold he has in gold miners who

1:25:33

are actively shorting gold cool but what

1:25:37

I think he represents in Jesus I'm

1:25:38

speaking for somebody I've never met or

1:25:40

spoken to but what I think he represents

1:25:44

um we'll call it something more like Ray

1:25:46

dalio's idea of diversification based on

1:25:49

like what's happening and he's got the

1:25:50

idea of an all-weather portfolio so

1:25:53

it seems like the what you represent to

1:25:56

me is somebody who has tremendous

1:26:00

conviction possibly a lot of risk

1:26:02

tolerance which is something that I want

1:26:04

to better understand about you and

1:26:06

everybody else myself included is more

1:26:09

like ah I'm not sure I don't know so I

1:26:13

have what many would consider an

1:26:15

irresponsible amount of amount of my net

1:26:17

worth in Bitcoin

1:26:19

um but I put in as much as I was willing

1:26:20

to lose

1:26:22

and so but I I put in over about a year

1:26:25

a dollar cost averaged in over a year

1:26:27

and then said cool that's all that I'm

1:26:29

gonna do so even though the price has

1:26:31

gone down I'm not buying more as of

1:26:33

right now I just want to make the point

1:26:35

like I I think the real issue here is

1:26:38

do you have an engineering mentality and

1:26:42

reason from first principles

1:26:46

are you are you simply

1:26:50

um complying with the Norms of society

1:26:53

and conventional wisdom that you grew up

1:26:57

with people say things and they repeat

1:27:00

these bromides and

1:27:03

and they give you a simple rule of thumb

1:27:05

like oh the rule of thumb is 60 40 stock

1:27:09

Bond portfolio

1:27:11

or the rule of thumb is stay Diversified

1:27:14

you know or the rule of thumb is you

1:27:18

you know uh take uh buy the biggest

1:27:21

house you can and get the biggest

1:27:23

mortgage and you'll be fine

1:27:26

well those are all fine

1:27:29

assuming that you have equilibrium and

1:27:34

you and you don't have uh um a radical

1:27:38

State change for example that that all

1:27:41

those rules of thumb don't they don't

1:27:43

work if you're a Jew in Nazi Germany in

1:27:45

the 30s right buying a house to store

1:27:48

about doesn't work right trusting the

1:27:51

government how about trust the

1:27:52

government keep your nose clean that

1:27:54

doesn't work

1:27:55

right buying stocks stocks that's an

1:27:59

interesting thing in the U.S when the

1:28:01

money supply expands at seven percent a

1:28:04

do you think stocks work if you bought

1:28:06

stocks in Zimbabwe or stocks in Cuba or

1:28:10

stocks in North Korea or stocks in

1:28:12

Argentina

1:28:14

or stocks fill in the blank they don't

1:28:16

work what happens when the government

1:28:18

crashes you think stocks work in Sri

1:28:21

Lanka

1:28:22

right now how do stocks work in Russia

1:28:25

in the 90s well the entire currency

1:28:28

collapsed the government collapsed

1:28:30

everybody lost everything

1:28:32

everything so you know diversification

1:28:36

diversification doesn't work when every

1:28:40

single thing you own your portfolio is

1:28:42

correlated for example

1:28:44

you can buy any company you can buy any

1:28:47

company you want in in Germany in 1944.

1:28:51

how should diversification gonna work

1:28:53

right how about just be how about buy

1:28:56

anything you want in the city I'm about

1:28:58

to drop a nuclear bomb on how's that

1:28:59

going to work right

1:29:01

so diversification is a bromide

1:29:04

stocks bonds or a bromide real estate as

1:29:08

monetizable property it's a bromide it

1:29:11

only works if you can trust what how's

1:29:14

it going to work when I actually get

1:29:16

elected mayor and I just seize your

1:29:19

entire property to make into a pet

1:29:21

hospital

1:29:22

for the good of the people

1:29:23

or how about this one

1:29:25

at what property tax rate if property

1:29:28

tax are are 20 basis points a year maybe

1:29:31

property is money what happens when

1:29:33

they're 200 basis points a year

1:29:35

property tax rate in Florida is two

1:29:38

percent a year

1:29:39

okay if if you're not a if you don't

1:29:41

have the homestead exemption and you're

1:29:43

not a citizen then that means you buy 10

1:29:46

million dollars worth of property you

1:29:47

pay 200 000 of tax then they actually

1:29:50

assess it up 15 a year so that means

1:29:53

that in 10 years the property is valued

1:29:56

at 30 million you owe 600 000 in tax in

1:30:00

the next five years you've lost all your

1:30:02

money

1:30:03

okay but I thought Florida was low tax

1:30:05

state huh I thought property was a good

1:30:08

investment well let's make it simpler

1:30:09

what if I make the tax rate five percent

1:30:11

a year

1:30:12

what if I make it 50 a year

1:30:16

what if so the point really is all of

1:30:19

these are simple rules of thumb that

1:30:21

allow people to not think for themself

1:30:24

you know I you're on a ship the ship is

1:30:27

sinking there's 10 boats in front of you

1:30:29

one of the boats doesn't have a hole in

1:30:31

it the other three nine boats have holes

1:30:33

in them you're gonna put you got ten

1:30:35

members in your family are you going to

1:30:37

put one kid in each of the nine boats or

1:30:41

or the like or you're going to put

1:30:43

everybody in the boat that doesn't have

1:30:44

the hole in it okay so you come to that

1:30:47

level of conviction which is

1:30:48

intoxicating by the way it's not

1:30:49

conviction it's like it's not conviction

1:30:52

it's just rational thinking for yourself

1:30:54

are you moving your entire family to

1:30:56

Zimbabwe right now because

1:30:59

you know you have conviction

1:31:01

or to let me reverse it why is it that

1:31:04

you don't move your entire family to

1:31:06

Zimbabwe sell all your stuff and buy the

1:31:08

Zimbabwe dollar why is it that you don't

1:31:11

do that

1:31:12

because because of conviction or just

1:31:14

because it seems quite obvious to you

1:31:16

that's not a good idea I won't say that

1:31:20

conviction is the when you don't do

1:31:22

something but when you go all in on

1:31:24

something I would say that does take

1:31:26

conviction now your conviction how many

1:31:28

chairs are you sitting on right now one

1:31:31

are you all in on the chair I am all in

1:31:34

on the chair

1:31:35

like like the point really is you put on

1:31:38

one pair of glasses you've got one pair

1:31:40

of of air pods right now you're looking

1:31:43

at me through one screen

1:31:45

you're using one microphone that's a one

1:31:48

microphone like you trust it

1:31:51

is that conviction

1:31:52

seems kind of scary why don't you

1:31:54

diversify why don't you use 10

1:31:55

microphones the point really is things

1:31:58

in your life do you drive in 10 cars at

1:32:01

the same time or one car at one time do

1:32:03

you drive down one street aren't you

1:32:05

afraid that you're driving down one

1:32:07

Street

1:32:08

do you take a different way

1:32:10

you know I

1:32:12

so my point really is if you're an inch

1:32:15

you get a one airplane are you convicted

1:32:17

you put your entire family in the one

1:32:19

airplane aren't you afraid

1:32:22

ultimately

1:32:24

if you're a rational individual

1:32:26

do you use when you use knives do you

1:32:29

have copper knives wooden knives Steel

1:32:32

knives aluminum knives rubber band

1:32:35

knives Diamond knives because you're

1:32:38

afraid to commit to the right knife it's

1:32:41

a it's a tour

1:32:42

so ultimately

1:32:44

what I'm saying here is an engineer

1:32:46

would look at this and say I use glass

1:32:48

for my windows I don't use aluminum for

1:32:52

my windows I can't see through the

1:32:53

aluminum right I use steel beams

1:32:58

people used to use wooden beams steel

1:33:00

beams work better right

1:33:03

I use copper for wires because

1:33:04

electricity goes through copper better I

1:33:07

don't use aluminum for wires

1:33:10

right am I am I a radical convicted

1:33:14

fanatic investor am I just like a

1:33:17

rational person that uses copper for

1:33:18

Waters because copper works better right

1:33:20

and my point here is

1:33:24

you live in a society and things are

1:33:27

going awry if if you did live in a

1:33:30

country and the food supply was cut off

1:33:33

the electricity got turned off the

1:33:35

currency collapsed and there are riots

1:33:37

in the streets

1:33:38

would you still just kind of hang out

1:33:40

and use the same rules of thumb you've

1:33:43

been using or or would you say I think

1:33:46

I'm going to exit via the airport where

1:33:48

there are no riots if I can get on that

1:33:51

plane and I'm gonna go somewhere else

1:33:53

because not because I'm convicted not

1:33:56

because I'm radical

1:33:58

not because I'm a risk taker

1:34:01

no I'm just going to do it because I'm

1:34:03

an intelligent human being and I notice

1:34:05

that it's getting uncomfortable where I

1:34:08

am right now

1:34:09

and so that's the way I see this it is

1:34:12

it is utterly it's just thinking for

1:34:14

yourself

1:34:15

using reason your choices

1:34:18

you want to hold a billion dollars of

1:34:20

property in Zimbabwe or North Korea you

1:34:23

want to hold a billion dollars of

1:34:24

property in La you want to hold a

1:34:27

billion dollars of gold in a vault you

1:34:29

want to hold a billion dollars worth of

1:34:31

a stock in a Chinese company Alibaba

1:34:33

trading on the Shanghai stock exchange

1:34:37

subject to the Chinese government do you

1:34:41

bitcoin what do you want to hold right

1:34:43

why do you why do you feel that way

1:34:46

once you understand money you understand

1:34:48

Bitcoin is

1:34:51

engineered money and it's engineered

1:34:53

without defects

1:34:55

once you look at your life you realize

1:34:57

you've got a balance sheet you got to

1:34:59

actually allocate your your wealth to

1:35:02

portions of the balance sheet and

1:35:04

assumptions you used to be able to make

1:35:05

about bonds they don't work anymore

1:35:07

assumptions used to make about stocks

1:35:09

they don't work anymore assumptions are

1:35:12

made about property

1:35:13

you own a yoga studio I get elected

1:35:16

mayor and I tell you point blank I think

1:35:18

yoga is dangerous people should not be

1:35:20

able to do yoga it's abomination in the

1:35:22

eyes of God for the next decade you

1:35:24

still have the same view of your value

1:35:25

of your yoga studio

1:35:27

are you going to say maybe I can

1:35:29

repurpose it to something that's so

1:35:31

politically correct

1:35:32

or you say maybe I'm just gonna like

1:35:35

sell it and go someplace where I'm less

1:35:37

likely to get canceled right as a

1:35:40

business

1:35:41

this is this is not radical conviction

1:35:44

right the people that you know we we

1:35:47

like to think the people that came to

1:35:48

the United States were crazy but but

1:35:51

they're not crazy the reason they came

1:35:53

to the U.S is because they were the

1:35:56

wrong religion or the wrong ethnic group

1:35:58

in a country that had uh an encroaching

1:36:03

authoritarian government

1:36:05

and at some point the Catholics decided

1:36:07

the Protestants aren't allowed to own

1:36:09

property or live and at some point the

1:36:11

Protestants decided Catholics they can't

1:36:14

own property and if it turns out that

1:36:17

you happen to be a Catholic you're going

1:36:18

to be drawn and quartered

1:36:20

right the skin will be flayed off your

1:36:23

you know my family came from Lucerne

1:36:25

Switzerland in 1730 and they were

1:36:27

palentines they were Swiss Protestants

1:36:29

okay why would you get on a wooden ship

1:36:32

travel for 12 weeks risk five percent

1:36:34

chance of death to get out of your

1:36:36

hometown and answer is because it was a

1:36:38

certain death a certain slow death if I

1:36:41

stuck around

1:36:43

and that is that is the story of America

1:36:46

for hundreds of years Quakers

1:36:49

Protestants Catholics you know

1:36:52

Mennonites name it every sect was

1:36:56

leaving and emigrating because the life

1:36:58

was hopeless where they stayed

1:37:01

and I don't know I call that radical

1:37:04

conviction as much as I would just say

1:37:07

at some point they realized that it was

1:37:10

riskier to stand where they are than it

1:37:12

is to move somewhere else

1:37:15

and if if I look at Bitcoin I I'm not

1:37:18

going to say

1:37:20

well let me say it this way

1:37:22

if you're in a city in the middle of

1:37:24

Africa taken over by a dictator who's

1:37:26

going to murder everybody next Tuesday

1:37:29

I would say convert all your wealth to

1:37:31

bitcoin and leave

1:37:34

if you happen to live in Florida or

1:37:37

Texas and you've got a comfortable life

1:37:39

and family and you expect to be there

1:37:40

for the next 30 Years and you want to

1:37:43

own some land a building

1:37:45

you know a restaurant and some Bitcoin I

1:37:48

say okay Diversified portfolio I guess

1:37:50

that's fine for you

1:37:52

and if you're somewhere else where

1:37:55

you know if you're sitting in a country

1:37:57

where the bank is about to freeze your

1:37:59

assets and devalue them ten to one and

1:38:01

trickle them back to you over the next

1:38:03

20 years I would say on the margin yeah

1:38:05

you probably should convert them all to

1:38:07

bitcoin and get them out of uh a

1:38:09

custodian because because the volatility

1:38:12

of Bitcoin and the risk of Bitcoin is a

1:38:14

lot less than the risk of trusting the

1:38:16

bank and trusting the government and

1:38:17

trusting the local currency

1:38:19

so ultimately everyone's got to decide

1:38:21

just how risky is their macroeconomic

1:38:24

situation

1:38:26

and if you happen to be wealthy living

1:38:28

in Manhattan and you're living off a

1:38:30

trust fund you might not have a problem

1:38:32

you might think it's okay

1:38:35

but you know I ask people to flood Cuba

1:38:38

or North Korea how okay it was right

1:38:42

there's everybody's got to make their

1:38:43

decision

1:38:45

the lucky thing is you have an option

1:38:48

today you have an option 30 years ago 40

1:38:51

years ago you didn't have an option to

1:38:53

move all of your wealth onto a crypto

1:38:56

asset Network

1:38:57

and what Bitcoin represents is hope it's

1:39:00

it's hope for a refugee that's going to

1:39:03

flee a hostile regime a hostile banking

1:39:07

system a hostile environment and and uh

1:39:10

if you're one of the three or four

1:39:11

billion people that has no hope

1:39:13

otherwise then for you it's really uh

1:39:17

egalitarian you know utilitarian

1:39:20

entitlement

1:39:22

for people that are rich in the western

1:39:24

world it's just an investment option for

1:39:27

them until they get sensitized to this

1:39:30

issue and the more you get sensitized

1:39:32

then you really then you start to

1:39:34

realize that it's an it's a moral

1:39:36

imperative

1:39:37

even if not for you maybe you're rich

1:39:40

and safe

1:39:42

it's a moral imperative for you to

1:39:43

support it

1:39:45

for them for the for people that are in

1:39:47

Africa or South America or or fleeing

1:39:51

from a war zone

1:39:53

or fleeing from a hostile regime that's

1:39:56

going to confiscate 20 30 40 percent of

1:39:58

their property every year forever so

1:40:01

even if you don't think you need it

1:40:04

in order to protect your family for the

1:40:06

next 30 Years

1:40:08

seems to me like you might want to

1:40:10

support it just because it's the right

1:40:12

thing for Humanity and that's where I

1:40:14

come down on this situation

1:40:21

yeah no I think that that is uh it's an

1:40:21

incredible breakdown in thinking of you

1:40:22

as an educator

1:40:24

um knowing that you have transitioned

1:40:27

out of the full-time CEO role at

1:40:29

microstrategy to really and I don't know

1:40:32

if you'd categorize it this way but it

1:40:33

certainly feels this way from the

1:40:35

outside to evangelize for Bitcoin for

1:40:37

the reasons that you just laid out

1:40:39

it's amazing man sailor Academy all the

1:40:41

free education that you're doing what is

1:40:43

money and what you did with Breedlove

1:40:45

it's it's really extraordinary there's

1:40:47

another idea that you've introduced me

1:40:49

to around

1:40:50

um Bitcoin I will choose to interpret it

1:40:54

to carry Beyond Bitcoin though I know

1:40:56

your thoughts and feelings uh at least

1:40:58

vaguely about ethereum but uh this idea

1:41:02

of the value of an irreversible

1:41:04

transaction and what that's going to

1:41:06

mean for cyberspace

1:41:09

um I would I I if you know exactly what

1:41:12

I'm talking about we can just go right

1:41:13

into it or I can give you a paraphrase

1:41:15

of uh when I heard you discuss this

1:41:19

would that help you can go and

1:41:21

paraphrase me but I think I know what

1:41:22

you're talking about okay so yeah I

1:41:25

think this is really really interesting

1:41:27

so you said this this part is a quote uh

1:41:30

everything we've built in cyberspace

1:41:32

there's Shadows of reality as much as we

1:41:35

tell ourselves we built something

1:41:36

functional it's a gross monstrosity of

1:41:38

something functional and now this is my

1:41:41

commentary on that was on the above

1:41:43

quote he was explaining why you need

1:41:45

irreversible transactions to replicate

1:41:47

matter giving bits the same properties

1:41:50

that physical things have including

1:41:51

their adherence to the laws of physics

1:41:53

so that things inside of cyberspace

1:41:56

matter

1:41:57

and I that really blew me away because

1:42:01

it put words to an idea that I've been

1:42:04

trying to explain to people why because

1:42:06

I got into

1:42:08

um cryptocurrency not because I I didn't

1:42:11

understand money investing I wasn't even

1:42:13

thinking about that I was just thinking

1:42:15

about entertainment building an

1:42:17

entertainment company this new

1:42:18

technology that was going to let me do

1:42:20

all this cool stuff but then that leads

1:42:22

you to learning and exploring and all

1:42:24

but the thing that I kept trying to get

1:42:27

people to understand was it now it's

1:42:29

like six or seven years ago somebody

1:42:30

introduced me to nfts they weren't

1:42:32

called that back then and I was like oh

1:42:35

man like this is digital scarcity this

1:42:37

is going to change my business forever

1:42:39

and then I promptly forgot about it

1:42:41

because it wasn't ready and Flash

1:42:43

Forward to 2020 and I get reintroduced

1:42:47

to it I'm like oh this is that digital

1:42:48

scarcity thing but I've always used the

1:42:50

words digital scarcity and it never like

1:42:54

I can see in the person's eyes it

1:42:56

doesn't land the way that I want it to

1:42:57

land but when you started talking about

1:43:00

why people need irreversible

1:43:03

transactions that if you throw a rock

1:43:05

off of a bridge it is going to fall down

1:43:07

and there is no way to take that back

1:43:09

that's just what gravity does I was like

1:43:11

okay that's you know the fact that water

1:43:14

flows to gravity allows you to build

1:43:15

hydroelectric dams uh the fact that an

1:43:18

internal combustion engine works is

1:43:20

because it adheres to laws of physics

1:43:21

that are entirely predictable and so by

1:43:25

creating uh effectively entropy in the

1:43:30

system because people's pushback is why

1:43:32

would you create an irreversible

1:43:33

transaction that's just going to

1:43:34

facilitate fraud if you could undo it if

1:43:36

somebody were money laundering or

1:43:37

whatever you could undo that and you

1:43:39

said when God said let there be light he

1:43:42

introduced entropy but that

1:43:45

things adhering to entropy and the laws

1:43:47

of physics is what allows you to build

1:43:49

all these things on top of it

1:43:51

and that changed my perception of why

1:43:55

this is when I think about building

1:43:58

cyberspace for Real uh that that very

1:44:01

thing is critically important I think

1:44:04

you've now moved us into the domain of

1:44:06

Technology right when I talk about

1:44:08

Bitcoin I say it's an economic

1:44:10

imperative because it's it's perfected

1:44:13

money it's a moral parent imperative

1:44:16

because it's the ability to give

1:44:18

property rights 8 billion people but

1:44:20

it's also a technology imperative

1:44:23

it's a technical imperative

1:44:25

because

1:44:27

it represents uh technology to introduce

1:44:30

conservation of energy into cyberspace

1:44:32

or and to create uh matter and energy

1:44:36

and cyberspace digital energy and uh and

1:44:42

if you can actually introduce physics

1:44:46

conservation of energy thermodynamics

1:44:48

into cyberspace

1:44:51

then you can not only clean up

1:44:54

cyberspace but you can Empower uh cyber

1:44:57

actors you can Empower individuals you

1:44:59

can if you combine that with the power

1:45:02

of cryptography

1:45:04

and you know the crypto ethos you know

1:45:06

that you're referring to is is how do we

1:45:10

actually give individuals the ability to

1:45:14

own something without asking permission

1:45:17

of another organization how do you own

1:45:20

it if it's if it's an nft how do you own

1:45:23

that right and how do you you know the

1:45:26

smart contract idea is how do you have

1:45:29

the right to enter in a smart contract

1:45:31

without uh trusted intermediary right

1:45:35

without asking without asking permission

1:45:37

of or relying on a bank or or a legal

1:45:42

team or a court system to enforce your

1:45:45

right right

1:45:48

this idea of of cyber rights

1:45:53

right cyber process cyber property cyber

1:45:58

energy it's a big idea

1:46:00

and I think um

1:46:03

I think the reason I think that Bitcoin

1:46:05

is so powerful is

1:46:07

is because

1:46:14

if I can create a billion dollars of

1:46:14

energy a billion dollars of money that

1:46:17

is transferred between two actors in

1:46:19

cyberspace simply by transferring

1:46:21

private keys or through any number of

1:46:23

other processes right and I can do that

1:46:27

in a millisecond

1:46:29

then I can do that a million times a

1:46:32

second

1:46:33

I could do it a billion times an hour I

1:46:35

could do it a billion times an hour

1:46:37

programmatically now I've created

1:46:41

um High Velocity intelligent

1:46:45

money High Velocity intelligent property

1:46:49

right and

1:46:51

the applications are you know are

1:46:53

manifold you can change the way Sales

1:46:55

Systems work you can change the way

1:46:58

marketing works you can change cyber

1:47:01

security to your point and in the real

1:47:05

world I can I can build structures in

1:47:07

the real real world I can build a wall

1:47:09

in the real world and you run into it

1:47:13

right and I don't have to sue you to

1:47:16

stop you from running through the wall

1:47:18

if I had to sue you you would go through

1:47:21

the wall murder me and my family and 18

1:47:23

years later or eight years later my

1:47:26

appeal would get to the 37th circuit

1:47:28

court and they would find out that you

1:47:30

had broken the law I would be dead

1:47:33

you know all the Carnage that follows

1:47:35

for the next eight years would have

1:47:37

already taken place and I would have the

1:47:39

court system so courts don't work to

1:47:41

create physical security

1:47:43

any more than you know you can build a

1:47:46

bridge with matter and I can walk across

1:47:48

a crevasse and if I require a legal

1:47:51

Bridge I'd walk across the crevasse

1:47:52

plunge to my death in 18 months later

1:47:55

they would determine that I should be

1:47:57

able to stand but I can't

1:47:59

so you can't engineer anything in in the

1:48:03

world of it you're based on politics and

1:48:04

right now

1:48:06

right now uh this cyberspace is a

1:48:10

political construct and it is not a

1:48:13

physical construct money in cyberspace

1:48:15

is political money

1:48:17

if uh if you ask me for a hundred

1:48:20

dollars

1:48:21

and I send it to you by a credit card I

1:48:23

can Decay the deal I can go to my credit

1:48:25

card cover to my bank and say uh I

1:48:28

didn't really do that transaction

1:48:29

they'll reverse the transaction tomorrow

1:48:31

and you'll lose the money

1:48:34

consequences

1:48:36

well what if you ask me for a billion

1:48:38

dollars

1:48:39

and I ask you for a billion dollars of

1:48:41

stuff okay so I want you to give me 10

1:48:44

ships I'll give you a billion dollars

1:48:47

and the next day I just reverse the

1:48:48

credit card transaction and keep your

1:48:50

ships

1:48:51

this is a problem right trade breaks

1:48:54

down because there is no way to settle

1:48:57

in a in a final fashion now what if um

1:49:01

what if you wanted to come and you

1:49:05

wanted uh to interfere with a million

1:49:08

people online

1:49:10

and do ten dollars of damage to each one

1:49:13

well you're going to do a hundred

1:49:14

million dollars of damage using a bot

1:49:18

how do I charge you a hundred million

1:49:20

dollars for doing that damage if I try

1:49:22

to charge with a credit card it doesn't

1:49:24

work so you get to do a hundred million

1:49:26

dollars of damage

1:49:28

uh with uh with no risk because there is

1:49:31

no consequence

1:49:33

if we actually have uh digital money

1:49:37

true digital money which represents

1:49:39

digital energy then I can actually say

1:49:41

to you every time you uh cross this

1:49:44

threshold you have to post ten dollars

1:49:46

and if you cross the threshold with a

1:49:48

million Bots you have to post ten

1:49:50

dollars a million times you have to post

1:49:52

10 million dollars and if I say after

1:49:54

you've crossed the threshold if you then

1:49:56

attempt to murder me

1:49:57

or after you cross the threshold if you

1:50:00

slime me if you know post a phishing

1:50:03

site that's going to defraud me if you

1:50:05

do that a million times it's going to

1:50:07

cost you the forfeiture of your deposit

1:50:09

so you lose 10 million dollars

1:50:12

do it 10 million times could cost you

1:50:14

100 million dollars

1:50:16

if you want to wage in a high speed at

1:50:18

phishing attack on me you can do it

1:50:20

it'll cost you a hundred million dollars

1:50:22

that is the equivalent of driving a

1:50:25

hundred million dollar truck into a 100

1:50:27

million dollar plane into a wall right

1:50:29

something or 100 million dollar ship

1:50:31

into a wall there are real consequences

1:50:34

so when I when I say Bitcoin represents

1:50:38

digital energy

1:50:40

what I'm really saying is

1:50:42

when Satoshi invented a way to transfer

1:50:45

a million dollars of value from me to

1:50:47

you without a trusted intermediary or

1:50:49

third party

1:50:51

not only did they solve the problem of

1:50:53

how to move a million dollars of energy

1:50:55

they also solved the problem with of how

1:50:58

to manifest a million dollars of energy

1:51:01

in the digital realm if I can move it I

1:51:04

can create it and I can store it so now

1:51:07

I can hold a million dollars of energy

1:51:09

now I can hold a million dollars of

1:51:12

energy I have created I

1:51:14

God said let there be light

1:51:18

right Satoshi said

1:51:20

let there be light in essence Satoshi

1:51:23

created

1:51:24

Satoshi made it shine in cyberspace I

1:51:28

say some has created a fire in

1:51:29

cyberspace brought light light is energy

1:51:32

and ultimately energy is matter matter

1:51:35

is energy we introduced matter and

1:51:38

energy into cyberspace

1:51:41

with this idea of a decentralized

1:51:43

network

1:51:44

right uh and once we've done it

1:51:47

you know you can once you've seen it you

1:51:49

can't unsee it

1:51:51

for the most part

1:51:53

um we haven't seen the Breakthrough

1:51:55

applications in cyberspace that will use

1:51:58

it but that but the applications are

1:52:00

pretty obvious for example you know if I

1:52:03

made people post uh ten dollars worth of

1:52:07

digital money in order to uh view a

1:52:11

YouTube video

1:52:12

it would be a ten dollar deposit once in

1:52:14

your life it's no impact on any person

1:52:17

because it's a ten dollar deposit and

1:52:20

you get it back right and actually it

1:52:22

probably accrets in value but on the

1:52:24

other hand when I go on YouTube and I

1:52:26

see Michael sailored you know scam

1:52:29

videos with 20 000 fake viewers

1:52:33

you know sometimes 50 000 people spin up

1:52:36

fake YouTube videos with 50 000 fake

1:52:39

listeners if they had to post ten

1:52:42

dollars each it'd be five hundred

1:52:44

thousand dollar fake fishing attempt

1:52:47

it's not worth five hundred thousand

1:52:49

dollars and so the scammers and the

1:52:52

Fishers that they would not engage in

1:52:55

that behavior if they were penalized uh

1:52:58

via security deposits

1:53:01

so you would clean up all manner of you

1:53:04

know when I post on Twitter

1:53:05

the first 18 comments are Bots it's

1:53:09

actually a CZ bot saying why is nobody

1:53:11

talking you can actually see them

1:53:13

they're right in front of you 37

1:53:15

comments in the first second

1:53:17

the reason they do it is there is no

1:53:20

cost to maliciousness because cyberspace

1:53:23

doesn't have conservation of energy and

1:53:27

creating a world a A Beautiful World

1:53:31

Without matter and energy

1:53:34

right it's like you want to create a

1:53:36

city there's no friction and there's no

1:53:38

materials and there's no energy you

1:53:41

can't do it

1:53:42

what you're creating is this you know

1:53:45

this virtual world that's full of

1:53:47

monstrosities because one what if I

1:53:49

could just snap my fingers and create a

1:53:52

hundred billion demons

1:53:55

to invade every everybody's stream and

1:53:58

everybody's room and everybody's head

1:54:01

and just Bark At You Non-Stop and I

1:54:04

could do that for a penny

1:54:06

all it takes is one person and a human

1:54:08

race to infect everybody with demons and

1:54:11

that's happening right now

1:54:13

on Twitter it's happening inside in

1:54:16

social media you have point one percent

1:54:18

Bad actors that are responsible for

1:54:22

half a million to a million fake

1:54:24

accounts a day on Twitter whoa like you

1:54:27

can't that's 300 million fake accounts a

1:54:31

year you can't stop them because it

1:54:33

doesn't cost anything to launch them

1:54:36

and so in essence the toxicity that's

1:54:39

being pumped into the economy is Extreme

1:54:44

well there's a lot of other applications

1:54:46

of digital energy but

1:54:48

But ultimately the reason this matters

1:54:52

the velocity of money of political money

1:54:55

through cyberspace using a credit card

1:54:57

is about six per year

1:55:01

like I I can send you 500 on a credit

1:55:04

card it takes 90 days to settle so I can

1:55:07

move the money six seven eight times a

1:55:11

the velocity of digital and what's the

1:55:15

what's that

1:55:17

the kilohertz frequency of a nice song

1:55:21

yo yo yo if I sing to you think about

1:55:24

the vibration and the velocity you know

1:55:28

and the frequency of that to create

1:55:31

music what's the frequency of a laser

1:55:34

beam what's the frequency of

1:55:36

gravitational beams like if you look at

1:55:40

the way physics Works you're going to

1:55:42

have to move stuff

1:55:45

a million times a second

1:55:47

not six times a year

1:55:50

the velocity of digital energy is

1:55:53

billions and billions not six

1:55:56

might be six billion six billion times

1:55:59

as fast

1:56:01

right like that's how do tides work

1:56:04

that's the moon talking to the Earth

1:56:06

right

1:56:08

weather patterns

1:56:11

you walk across the you know the floor

1:56:13

of friction

1:56:14

heat exchange

1:56:17

vibration right all of these things

1:56:20

they're all critical to the way the

1:56:23

universe works but they're also critical

1:56:25

to the way the civilization works and

1:56:28

right now what we have is cyberspace it

1:56:32

just doesn't work works it's defective

1:56:35

and and everything in it you know that

1:56:39

could be beautiful is ugly

1:56:41

if we want to clean up cyberspace we

1:56:43

need digital energy but but

1:56:46

you know it's it's the same as you look

1:56:48

at New York and you've got skyscrapers

1:56:50

built of Steel up 100 stories

1:56:53

and if I shred it and I tell you you got

1:56:55

to rebuild it with balsa wood what do

1:56:58

you get

1:56:59

and that's that's cyberspace without

1:57:02

digital energy it's like what do you

1:57:05

you have these amorphous structures that

1:57:08

collapse under their own weight over

1:57:12

and and or inflict massive pain and

1:57:15

inefficiency in the economy so just as I

1:57:19

would say the money being defective

1:57:22

that the cost of defective money in the

1:57:24

economy is 10 20 30 trillion dollars a

1:57:27

year it's some it's some obscene amount

1:57:30

of Economic and efficiency because you

1:57:34

know like nothing works right ever all

1:57:38

of your working capital bleeds energy at

1:57:41

a ferocious rate well the cost of uh of

1:57:45

having an ineffective materials in

1:57:47

cyberspace is the same

1:57:50

right it's like you you stop using a

1:57:54

social media thing because the news feed

1:57:56

is toxic

1:57:57

because it's so unpleasant or it's uh

1:57:59

it's uh dangerous

1:58:02

right

1:58:03

so Bitcoin represents like the first and

1:58:08

the greatest instantiation of digital

1:58:10

energy

1:58:11

and uh and the obvious application is

1:58:15

just uh store of value in cyberspace and

1:58:18

that was the first application the other

1:58:21

applications are coming

1:58:23

people have yet to work them all out in

1:58:25

their head and that many of them are

1:58:27

going to be based upon proprietary

1:58:29

protocols and lightning protocols and

1:58:31

the like

1:58:34

I think of your Technologies you can't

1:58:35

ignore it

1:58:37

because if you want to build structures

1:58:40

that are functional for a billion people

1:58:43

that are stable

1:58:44

that'll last a hundred years

1:58:47

yeah you have to do with crypto steel

1:58:49

you have to do it with with the

1:58:51

equivalent of of the reared and metal

1:58:54

right of cyberspace something which is a

1:58:57

hundred X better and in fact this is

1:59:01

this is not 100x better than a credit

1:59:03

card company these credit card companies

1:59:05

move money six times a year and then

1:59:08

after the sixth time they've taken 15

1:59:11

percent of the money

1:59:12

whoa right think about two and a half

1:59:14

percent transaction fee six times

1:59:18

so you can move a billion dollar block

1:59:21

of money six times a year for a hundred

1:59:24

fifty million dollars that's what

1:59:26

happens right now and it only works for

1:59:29

a small portion of the civilization

1:59:31

what if I told you you could move money

1:59:34

six times a second or six times a

1:59:37

millisecond for nothing

1:59:40

the money not only is it bleeding 15

1:59:43

percent of its value a year uh due to

1:59:47

transaction fees is bleeding another

1:59:48

fifteen percent of its value a year due

1:59:50

to the devaluation of the base unit

1:59:53

currency so you're losing 30 percent of

1:59:56

your value of your money or your loot

1:59:58

your money is cut in half every two and

2:00:01

a half years

2:00:03

like that's

2:00:05

that's like building a ship you know

2:00:08

with balsa wood

2:00:10

en ships might last 20 30 40 years a

2:00:14

steel ship will last hundreds of years

2:00:16

if you patch it correctly

2:00:18

you know why don't you just build a ship

2:00:20

out of bubble gum you know or taco

2:00:22

shells

2:00:24

right it's like it's the materials are

2:00:26

so defective that you laugh because you

2:00:29

wouldn't even bother right I mean you

2:00:31

wouldn't even bother to try to cross the

2:00:33

Atlantic a ship full of taco shells you

2:00:36

know with cotton candy or rubber bands

2:00:38

holding it together it's just a joke

2:00:41

but that's kind of what we have in many

2:00:44

cases in the digital realm right now

2:00:48

we have imperfect materials and the and

2:00:52

the struggle

2:00:53

the real fight in the crypto world is

2:00:56

how do I Define a [ __ ] how do I how do I

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create a crypto system that has a

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reasonable chance of holding its

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integrity and security a hundred years

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from now

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right that's why there's this obsession

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over we'll you know node size I can't I

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can't centralize the nodes I want

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everybody to run their own node

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I don't want nodes to run on AWS or

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Google

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I want everybody to run this I I want it

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to run on Hardware you know on a

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Raspberry Pi in my house

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I want everything open I want anybody I

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want it to be outside the control of a

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company I don't want a foundation I

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don't want a nation state I don't want

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anybody to get too influential I don't

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want to be organized I don't want a

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centralized group of developers I don't

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want developers to be able to do

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anything to it the the doing of things

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is what's causing all the problems in

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the world it's it's well-meaning

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centralized actors that want to help you

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and they keep introducing this policy

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that they apply to everyone that creates

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that introduces fragility

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ended the civilization and inadvertently

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is crippling to all of us

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I think that's the opportunity we have

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if we if we properly understand this

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technology

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we have the opportunity to create

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things of beauty and substance that

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exist in the digital realm beyond the

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reach of a political institution or a

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commercial institution or any small

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group of actors and if you do that then

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then you have created a cyber commodity

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a digital commodity

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you know and we we call it digital goal

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but it's a lot more than digital gold

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it's really digital matter and digital

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energy

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that that that's obvious use cases

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digital money is a store of value and is

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a medium of exchange and as a unit of

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account but that's you know that's just

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the pedestrian economic use case the

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ultimate use case of energy is to create

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the civilization and carry it forward

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and the pro uh promulgate Life as We

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Know It

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and if you want life in the digital

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realm life in cyberspace and we want

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life to continue to move forward and

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Technology to continue to move forward

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then this is a necessary thing for us to

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us to master and grasp and promote

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you've been an extraordinary advocate of

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Bitcoin as digital gold and really

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getting people to understand that where

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can people follow you where can they

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learn more

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I post all my comments on Twitter at

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Sailors my handle s-a-y-l-o-r so just

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look for me it's on Twitter at sailor

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otherwise uh Bitcoin is hope so go to

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hope.com and we post a lot of Bitcoin

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educational materials resources websites

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uh and books and the like at hope.com

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my personal website is michael.com you

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go find me at Michael

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and uh

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and I those are probably all good places

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to start oh and uh free education the

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Sailor economy offers hundreds of free

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college courses there at sailor

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s-a-y-o-l-o-r dot org and so that's all

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free to anybody in the world so you'll

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probably find all these things on the

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Twitter if you start there and uh and uh

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thank you for your time and attention

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today brother I really can't thank you

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enough for the time that you've taken I

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really look forward to the next time and

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everybody if you haven't already be sure

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to subscribe and until next time my

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friends be legendary take care peace

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it's the same for every individual same

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for every company if you understand this

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look at your income expenses and your

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savings and then do a stress test so

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that you get yourself secure

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