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Michael Saylor: Bitcoin is Transforming Global Capital Markets | MSTR & BTC Outlook

Lights on invest · 2025-11-30 · 1h 01m · View on YouTube →

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So, Michael Sailor, ladies and

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gentlemen, executive chairman of

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strategy.

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Nice to see you all today. Um,

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I'm uh I'm grateful to be invited uh to

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speak. It's a lovely hotel.

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I woke up this morning, the waves were

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lapping on the shore. It was a Palm

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Beach experience. Um I'm going to speak

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about the digital transformation of our

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capital markets and specifically um

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three things. Uh the formation of

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digital capital, the uh formation of a

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new asset class, digital credit,

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and then a new business model, a new

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type of company, the digital treasury

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company. And I think that um we're in

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year one of this digital transformation

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because we didn't have global consensus

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on digital capital until March of this

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year. Uh no one had seen digital credit

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instruments before January and February

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of this year. And uh and even in the

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area of of the business model digital

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treasuries, it wasn't wasn't even clear

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in our mind

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exactly what the business model was long

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term until just a few months ago. But

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but just in the past few months, I think

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it's all clicking and I'm delighted to

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share it with you. So let's start with

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uh digital capital.

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Well, you know, for those who didn't

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guess, Bitcoin is digital capital. uh

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capital, economic wealth, long-term

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store of value. People talk about a

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store of value asset. It's capital. What

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is 20th century capital? Um 20th century

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capital is equity. We call them the

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equity capital markets. Uh equity,

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private equity, public equity, real

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estate, sometimes art held as a store of

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value. Could be capital, maybe a sports

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team, gold.

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Um capital is uh is the left hand of

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money. The right hand of money is

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currency. Medium of exchange, the

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dollar, the peso, the yen, the euro.

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Stable coins are currency. Bitcoin is

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capital. A lot of times people come to

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erroneous conclusions because they think

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about money and they think money is

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currency as opposed to money is capital.

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But of course, money could be used, the

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phrase could be used to refer to

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currency or to capital. It just happens

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that a lot of people are lazy thinkers

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and they insist upon interpreting it as

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currency when it should be capital or

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interpreting it as capital when it

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should be currency. And I well Bitcoin

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must be awful because I can't buy coffee

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with it. But of course Apple stock isn't

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awful because I can't buy coffee with

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it. But Apple is capital. And so if you

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define Apple as currency, then Apple is

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an awful currency. And Apple will never

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be the world reserve currency. And

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therefore I must not value Apple. But of

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course that's stupid. Of course, Apple

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isn't currency. Apple is capital just as

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Nvidia, just as a sports team is, just

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as gold is. Um, you know, people never

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really used gold as a medium of

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exchange. It's always been backing some

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credit instrument for thousands of

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years. So, it's a myth to say, "Oh,

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yeah, we used gold as currency and c and

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as a store of value."

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Generally, you do one or the other. So,

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this capital idea, store of value

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capital, um, wouldn't it be great if I

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somehow came up with a digital way to

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store my economic wealth for all of

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eternity? Satoshi figured it out. People

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for 17 years couldn't agree on it. They

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fought over it. And the battle was

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decided by this administration after

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November 5th. On March of this year,

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David Sax said, "Bitcoin is digital

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gold. We recognize it as special." And

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um as you can see, JD Vance thinks it's

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digital gold. Donald Trump thinks it's

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digital gold. I think you heard from

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Eric Trump this morning who agrees it's

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a digital gold. The head of the SEC,

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Paul Atkins, thinks it's digital gold,

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but so does the head of uh the national

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intelligence director. I mean, Tulsi

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Gabbard or Kelly Laughler or Bill Py or

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Robert F. Kennedy or Howard Lutnik or

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Cash Patel. Now, those are people you

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wouldn't expect to have an opinion on uh

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the distinction between currency and

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capital and media exchange and store of

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value, right? I by the way, if I if I

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took a hundred uh PhD economists that

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are classically trained, they probably

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wouldn't get it right because they tend

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to wrote uh wrote recite things that

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they learned 40 or 50 years ago out of a

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textbook without thinking much about it.

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And of course the phrase that everyone

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everyone recites without thinking much

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about it is uh money is a store of value

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medium exchange and unit of account

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there and they stop and they don't

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really say any much more about it. But

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of course if it's very obvious to every

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member of the cabinet Bitcoin is digital

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gold and it was obvious to the president

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of the United States you know then um

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that's a pretty big step forward. 12

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months ago we had one member of the

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cabinet. Well, 13 months ago, one member

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of the cabinet, Gary Gendler, who was a

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Bitcoin maximalist,

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you know, people, you could tell if you

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were sophisticated. Gary Gendler was a

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Bitcoin maximist for four years. Um, the

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only people that couldn't tell were the

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altcoiners, but but maybe they could

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tell, too, which is why they didn't care

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for him that much. Uh, but Gendler's

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view was Bitcoin is a commodity. It's a

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it's it's a a digital asset. It is sort

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of a digital gold. uh he didn't care for

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anything else and no one else in the

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Biden administration had any opinion

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whatsoever other than a negative

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skeptical one. So the November election

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was important.

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This decision to embrace Bitcoin was a

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very important move because that rippled

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everywhere in the world. Um

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what's the idea of digital gold? gold an

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a bearer non-s sovereign bearer

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instrument store of value asset that I

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can teleport from here to there on a

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digital rail okay straightforward idea

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you need a network to do it the question

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is which network and which protocol and

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for 15 years we all fought about which

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network which protocol and uh and the

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matter is decided by political power

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it's decided by financial support the

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banks have embraced crypto, but

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specifically they've embraced Bitcoin as

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digital capital. Um, in the next six

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months, you'll see a ton of banks start

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to custody Bitcoin and extend credit

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against it. Uh, in the past six months,

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we've had about half of the major banks

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in the United States start to extend

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credit against IBIT, which is wrap

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Bitcoin. So, all that's happening this

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year as we speak.

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Money determines the winner, right? So,

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Wall Street embraced um embraced

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Bitcoin. The IBIT ETF is the most

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successful ETF in the history of Wall

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Street. I've often times said um you

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the war to determine the future of the

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money is going to be fought and won with

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money, right? It's so it's a question of

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how much money is going to go onto which

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network. Are we going to designate

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Dogecoin or Yoyocoin as digital capital?

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are we going to designate Bitcoin? And

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of course, that's 140 billion from the

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ETFs.

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Um companies, 200 of them capitalize on

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Bitcoin and they put about 100 billion

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in. Um our companies spent a decent

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amount of that, but we're not the only

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ones. And if you were to say,

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okay, what's the big idea? The big idea

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is a bunch of rich people want to keep

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their money and they don't trust the

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bank. They don't trust the government.

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They don't trust each other. They don't

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trust anybody and they'd like to keep

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their money forever. So we created

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digital bank. We put it in cyberspace

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and since we don't trust each other, we

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all run a copy of the software and

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that's a decentralized network. Okay.

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Well, that's not a bad idea. this idea

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that we're going to put our money at a

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bank in cyerspace and we're going to run

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a decentralized protocol and once you've

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decided that the question is well can a

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human being engineer that well yeah they

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tried 50 times eventually Satoshi did it

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with Bitcoin it worked it caught

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and the second idea is well you know is

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that the winning network or is there

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another protocol that's going to

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supplant it and that took about a decade

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to settle that that question there was

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the block size wars there was um there

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was a lot of struggle

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But people often times they they make

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the mistake of thinking this is an

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asset. It's not an asset. It's a

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protocol. It's a protocol that uh that

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actually inspires a network. The network

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is hardware and software run by people.

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There's an asset circulating on that

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network. But the big idea is an economic

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protocol for digital capital. And people

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all worry well what you know what if

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that gets hacked. And and the point that

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I make is English is a protocol. Why are

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we speaking English? Because a bunch of

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smart powerful people fought over this

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matter and the people that spoke English

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won. If Napoleon had won, we'd be

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speaking French. If Hitler had won, we'd

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be speaking Germany. It turns out that

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the English speakers won the wars. We

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speak English. Why do we speak English?

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Because all the rich, powerful people

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speak English. Are there other

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languages? Of course there are. Can you

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imagine a better language? Of course you

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can. Are there more beautiful languages?

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Of course there are. But the point is

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the rich powerful people don't speak

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that. The rich powerful people speak

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English. You have kids, you want them to

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be rich and powerful, teach them

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English. Same is true with Arabic

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numerals. It's not the first system of

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numbers. The Babylonians have a

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different system, right? 360°

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60 minutes base 60 type system. Okay,

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the Greeks had a different system. The

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Romans had a different system and then

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the Arab the Arabic system was a force

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system. There's probably who knows how

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many other systems of math, right? I

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mean computers spoke base 2 binary

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system. So people people that use the

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protocol that won that didn't fight the

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war over the protocol forget that it was

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a decision made and why do we use 0 1 2

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3 4 5 6 7 8 9 because all the rich

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powerful people settled upon it but by

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the way not just because they settle on

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it was better if you actually try to do

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math and or or build computers with

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Roman numerals versus computers with

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Arabic numerals you know or work it just

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Arabic just works

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better, right? So, sometimes a protocol

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has an advantage and that advantage

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manifests itself. And if you look at

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this picture, what is this telling you?

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This is saying that the most Bitcoin is

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the winner because it's the most

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powerful electrically. It's got 24 gab

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watts of electricity. It's the most

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powerful computationally. It's got 1100

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xahash. That's more computer power than

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Microsoft and Amazon and Apple can

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muster to attack the network right now.

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So it was the most powerful

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computationally,

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it's the most powerful commercially,

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right? What what you got a security or a

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stock? How many of your stocks trade on

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a thousand exchanges simultaneously

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everywhere in the world 24/7, 365?

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That's a simple question for me to

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answer because the answer is none,

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right? It's like I just I just listed a

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stock in Europe. We listed ST we listed

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on the Europe on the Luxembourg stock

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exchange. That's one of 27 capital

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markets in Europe. One of 27.

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Um, I tried to actually list a uh euro

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stock on the NASDAQ. NASDAQ doesn't

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support euros. You can't have a

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euro-based stock on the NASDAQ. So, what

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you find is that is that for the most

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part, a lot of assets don't trade 247

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globally. They trade very locally in the

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local nation, the local language, the

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local time zone.

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Bitcoin trades everywhere. So what what

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other kind of power does it have? Well,

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it has hundreds of millions of holders,

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has 700 million crypto believers, has a

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lot of political power. The crypto lobby

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tipped the election in November. They're

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very powerful. So what do you want? You

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want political power. You want

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electrical power. You want computational

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power. You want commercial power. And

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then the other thing it has is economic

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power. There's 1.2 2 trillion dollar of

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actual dollars that have been invested

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in that network. My company alone put $

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48 billion of actual cash in that

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network. Um that's probably on the order

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of if not 10 somewhere between 10 and

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100 times more than any other network.

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So um the battle to determine the

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world's reserve capital network was

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determined by what? by smart smart

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people with money and it's been never

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ending. It's been going on and what you

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see today is this manifestation. A lot

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of smart money made a decision. A lot of

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smart people you you know decided to

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like Google or they decided they like

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Apple or they decided they like Amazon

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and and you could say well I can copy

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Amazon or my my favorite is well why New

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York City? I can you know I can create a

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city. Yeah, you can create a city.

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It's not that complicated to create a

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city. You create another city. There's a

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lot of port cities. There's one New York

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City because all the smart people with

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money decided that was the one that was

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best for a lot of reasons. If you go to

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San Francisco and you look, you can see

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that's a pretty good natural port, too.

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Well, what about some other port? Well,

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the point is all the people with money

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and power pick that one. That's the

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network that wins the war. And so, so

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once you understand that you got a

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digital capital network, 21 million

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coins, there's never going to be more

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than 21 million coins. Then the question

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is, is it better than gold? Yeah, a lot

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better. How much better? Infinitely

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better. Gold has an inflation rate of

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2%. Bitcoin has an inflation rate of 0%.

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2% means you got a halfife of 36 years

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for your money. Means you live a 100

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years. 0% means you have a half life of

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a of a billion trillion infinite years,

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which means you're going to live

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infinity.

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Okay, one of them is immortal, one of

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them is immortal, right? You're godlike

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or you're just a person, right? When

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someone tells you 2% inflation doesn't

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matter, it matters. It's like, I'm going

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to I'm going to build a machine and I'm

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going to remove 2% of the energy every

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cycle on the machine, does it matter? Of

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course, it matters, right? Every

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engineer knows you can't have 2%

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friction on every turn of the wheel. And

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yet, that's what 2% inflation is.

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So gold, gold is metallic capital.

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Bitcoin is digital capital. Digital

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capital is this idea that I think I just

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like to keep my money forever, right?

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What's the product? 121 millionth of all

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the money in the world forever. That's

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the product. Okay, good product. Can you

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design it? Yeah, but there, you know,

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but is that the winning protocol? Well,

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I think so. Beat everybody else. Why?

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Because there needs to be a winner.

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There needs to be. I mean, because of

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you're smart and you have a lot. If you

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got a hundred families with a billion

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dollars each and they want to keep their

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money and their choice is pick a winner

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or lose all their money, the shelling

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point is why don't we just pick the

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winner? We'll all use the winning

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network and we get to keep our money.

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What's the alternative?

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We lose our money. We go poor, right?

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So, so it's not a complicated uh idea.

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The game theory is pretty

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straightforward. The world's full of

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people that would like to keep their

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money. And who do they trust? They don't

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trust the French. They don't trust the

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Brits. They don't trust the Italians.

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They don't trust the Germans. They don't

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trust anybody in the Middle East. They

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don't trust anybody in Africa. They

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don't trust any South American company.

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They don't trust the Canadians. They

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don't trust the Australians.

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The Chinese don't trust the Chinese.

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It's illegal to take money out of China.

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Wonder why? Because everybody wants to

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do it. Okay. The the Europeans don't

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trust the euro. They want the dollar.

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All the billionaire families I know live

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in Stad.

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All the billionaires I know that that

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have a villa in France, they have an

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apartment in Monaco.

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Why? Think hard about it. Okay. So, who

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are you going to trust? Right? This is

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this is a tricky thing. Uh generally the

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view of the world is everybody wants to

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move themsel and their money to the

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safest network, the most secure network.

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So where is that? That's the United

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States. I want United States property. I

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want my kids to have United States

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citizenship. I want to use the US

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dollar. I want US equities. But the

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problem is, you know, the United States

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is not always welcoming to foreigners,

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right? Certainly the Russian oligarchs

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don't get to move here,

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right? The the world is full of people

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that that they would love to have

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economic security the US. But then

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again, maybe maybe your life is in

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Europe or your life is in Brazil and

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maybe your life is in Mexico.

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You know, I I live in Miami Beach and um

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I look across Indian Creek and I see

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like these big condos and they're like

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95% empty. It's all the Latin Americans.

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They come, they buy a condo, they keep

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it, that's where they, you know, that

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was their Bitcoin. They were like

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putting their their property into a

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piece of foreign real estate, you know,

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and then their daughters get pregnant

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and they send them to Miami to have the

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child so their kid has citizenship,

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whether it's Venezuelan or Mexican or

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Brazilian or whatever. And it's not unre

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it's not irrational. It's very rational.

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You could see it going on. Um, but what

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does Bitcoin represent? It represents

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that that hyper the most secure property

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network in the world for people that

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don't get to move their person or their

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money to the United States. By the way,

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if you live in the United States,

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there's this blue state, red state thing

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and a lot of people worry in the blue

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state that maybe their property is not

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so secure and they move to the red

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states and that's what's driving

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immigration into Florida right now. Um,

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so that's the first big idea, digital

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capital. The second big idea,

0:18:50

digital treasuries, a treasury company.

0:18:53

What happens if you capitalize on

0:18:54

digital capital? So, we capitalized on

0:18:57

Bitcoin. We bought it bought it about 87

0:19:00

times. I want you to understand what

0:19:02

we're doing. Bitcoin, I believe

0:19:03

Bitcoin's going up 30% a year for the

0:19:05

next 20 years. Um, it's been going up

0:19:08

50% for the last 5 years. It was going

0:19:10

up 80% for eight years. Okay? So 30%

0:19:12

represents a deceleration from 50% all

0:19:15

the way down to 20 or 15% over 20 years.

0:19:19

Every time we buy it, we're buying a

0:19:21

digital monopoly, the world's dominant

0:19:23

digital monetary network,

0:19:26

growing 30% a year at one times revenue.

0:19:29

Okay? Ask any CEO, if you could buy a

0:19:32

monopoly growing 30% a year for the next

0:19:34

20 years at one times revenue, would you

0:19:37

do it? And the answer is, of course you

0:19:39

would. I mean, everyone would kill to be

0:19:43

able to buy a company growing 30% a year

0:19:45

at one times revenue. Okay. Well, we

0:19:48

just did the same roll up 87 times.

0:19:51

We're just rolling up the digital

0:19:53

monopoly on money. And of course, once

0:19:55

you've done it once,

0:19:57

you're like, well, what's the risk?

0:19:59

Well, the risk is bit is you're wrong on

0:20:00

Bitcoin. If I'm wrong on Bitcoin, that's

0:20:03

the risk, right? The existential risk is

0:20:05

Bitcoin. It's like, I bet on New York

0:20:07

City. Well, what if Bitcoin sinks

0:20:09

beneath the waves? I'm going to lose my

0:20:11

bet. The risk is thermonuclear warhead

0:20:15

goes off in New York Harbor and I and my

0:20:18

real estate is not that valuable or it

0:20:20

sinks underneath the waves. Um, the risk

0:20:22

here is Bitcoin fails. So, let's say you

0:20:25

assume that risk. So, what is the

0:20:28

incremental risk on transactions one two

0:20:32

through 87?

0:20:34

Nothing. So in fact the risk-free rate

0:20:37

for us is 30%. Once you've assumed the

0:20:40

existential risk of of u capitalizing on

0:20:43

Bitcoin then you're basically buying

0:20:46

something at one times revenue growing

0:20:48

30% a year with no additional risk. It's

0:20:50

the same risk. Okay? And you might not

0:20:54

agree with me if you hate Bitcoin. But

0:20:57

what matters is that the 1% of people in

0:21:00

the world that agree with me own the

0:21:02

equity and that's their view. They think

0:21:04

Bitcoin is going up 30% a year. So once

0:21:07

you get that off, it's like, you know,

0:21:09

some people don't like New York City,

0:21:10

but the ones that live in New York City,

0:21:12

you know, you will pry their apartment

0:21:14

from their cold dead fingers. They think

0:21:16

the world is New York and everything

0:21:17

else is downhill from there and they're

0:21:19

going to live there. And you can give

0:21:20

them a million excuses or a million

0:21:21

reasons why it's risky to live there.

0:21:24

What if this and what if that and what

0:21:25

if the other thing and their view is,

0:21:27

well, it's New York. You don't get it.

0:21:29

It's New York, right? So, uh, in this

0:21:32

particular case,

0:21:34

you buy into the risk of Bitcoin. Now,

0:21:36

you do 87 acquisitions. And we ended up

0:21:39

acquiring 649,000 Bitcoin, about 3.1% of

0:21:44

the network. Um, that's not unlike

0:21:47

buying 3.1% of the real estate in New

0:21:49

York City.

0:21:51

It's just big REIT, right? We decided we

0:21:53

believed in, you know, Howard Hughes

0:21:55

bought up a lot more of Vegas, right? He

0:21:58

came into Vegas, he bought up all of

0:21:59

Vegas. right? Summerland, all the strip

0:22:03

made insane amounts of money because he

0:22:05

believed in Vegas. So, you just buy up

0:22:06

the real estate underlying the thing you

0:22:08

believe in. Um,

0:22:12

we're about the fifth largest treasury

0:22:14

in the S&P 500.

0:22:17

What's the big idea here? Uh, the only

0:22:19

company on this list that actually keeps

0:22:21

their capital is Berkshire Hathway.

0:22:24

The conventional corporate finance

0:22:26

strategy is to uh return capital to the

0:22:30

shareholders or surrender the capital or

0:22:33

decapitalize.

0:22:35

And that's because those companies are

0:22:37

capitalized on on sovereign debt or in

0:22:40

this case shortdated treasuries.

0:22:43

They're negatively polarized to capital.

0:22:46

So the big idea I have here is that if

0:22:49

you're negatively polarized to capital,

0:22:51

you have to get rid of your capital

0:22:52

because it's toxic. If you're positively

0:22:55

polarized to capital,

0:22:58

then the more capital you raise, the

0:22:59

more money you make. Once you understand

0:23:02

that, for for example, the the

0:23:05

Venezuelan boloulevard could be viewed

0:23:07

as capital. And if you were capitalized

0:23:10

on the boulevard before it lost 99.9% of

0:23:14

its value, I think you can see via

0:23:16

common sense that you're negatively

0:23:18

polarized to capital. You have to get

0:23:20

rid of it. You really want to, if you

0:23:22

want to be rich in a hyperinflating

0:23:25

economy, the way to do it is go into

0:23:26

debt, borrow a billion dollars when it's

0:23:30

worth a billion, and pay it off when

0:23:32

it's worth a million. Right? So you you

0:23:35

need negative working capital if you're

0:23:37

negatively polarized to capital. So a

0:23:39

rational CFO, they would just go to

0:23:42

negative working capital. That's why you

0:23:44

do LBOS. You borrow 10, 20, 30, 50

0:23:46

billion because the cost of capital is

0:23:49

lower than the monetary inflation rate

0:23:52

and you don't want to carry the capital.

0:23:56

If you capitalized on Bitcoin, then it's

0:23:58

the opposite. Then you're outperforming

0:24:00

the cost of capital. And this chart

0:24:03

illustrates it.

0:24:04

You see, over the last five years, um,

0:24:06

the cost of capital is 14%. It's set by

0:24:09

the S&P. Guess what else is yielding

0:24:12

14%. It turns out, lo and behold, the

0:24:14

gold is yielding 14%. How do you like

0:24:16

that? So 14% is your hurdle rate.

0:24:21

The normal capital asset is shortdated

0:24:23

treasury. That's the money chart. Money

0:24:26

markets, it's 3%. Blended. Okay. So,

0:24:30

you're investing at three. Your hurdle

0:24:32

is 14. you're minus 11. You're

0:24:34

destroying 11% of your treasury every

0:24:36

year. You're negatively polarized

0:24:38

capital.

0:24:40

If you could capitalize on um the S&P,

0:24:43

you could keep all your capital, meet

0:24:45

the hurdle rate. The problem with that

0:24:47

is it's illegal. The Investment Company

0:24:49

Act of 1940 made it illegal for a public

0:24:52

company to capitalize on a portfolio of

0:24:53

securities.

0:24:55

Not something you might Not everybody

0:24:57

knows this. I didn't know this. I never

0:24:59

had reason to think it. it was so

0:25:01

ingrained that you just wouldn't do it.

0:25:03

It never occurred to me why, but it's

0:25:05

it's uh it's written into the Investment

0:25:07

Company Act of 1940. So, if you can't

0:25:11

invest in the S&P, then you probably

0:25:13

can't capitalize on MAG7 stocks either.

0:25:15

They're also securities.

0:25:18

There's only one MAG7 stock that Nvidia

0:25:21

can buy. It's its own stock. There's

0:25:23

only one SA stock that Apple can buy,

0:25:26

Apple. So, why do we have buybacks?

0:25:29

because it's the only stock that

0:25:31

companies can buy per the SEC 40 act.

0:25:34

But look at Bitcoin. Bitcoin is 48%.

0:25:37

Bitcoin is actually outperforming the

0:25:39

cost of capital by a 34% margin.

0:25:43

So this big idea is not that

0:25:45

complicated. It's if I have something if

0:25:48

I have digital gold and it's it's

0:25:51

deflationary, the difference between 2%

0:25:53

and 0% is going to give you the 48%

0:25:57

instead of the 14%. So if I have a

0:25:59

deflationary digital gold like Bitcoin,

0:26:02

then I can capitalize and I can even

0:26:04

leverage the company on it.

0:26:08

What else could you capitalize on? You

0:26:09

could capitalize on actual gold or real

0:26:12

estate. People tried to capitalize on

0:26:15

gold. didn't work so well for a bunch of

0:26:17

reasons. But, you know, you can see at

0:26:19

the end of the day, there's not enough

0:26:21

juice in it to make it worth the

0:26:22

trouble. And real estate underperforms

0:26:25

the S&P.

0:26:27

Bonds don't work.

0:26:30

Art not going to work. You need a

0:26:33

commodity or a property to capitalize

0:26:35

company.

0:26:37

So, uh, Bitcoin is a breakthrough

0:26:39

because it's a commodity, but it's also

0:26:40

a scarcity. You can design a commodity

0:26:43

that inflates 10% a year. is still a

0:26:45

commodity. It's an asset without an

0:26:47

issuer.

0:26:49

But but Satoshi's genius is designing a

0:26:52

commodity that's an asset without an

0:26:54

issuer that inflates 0% a year and the

0:26:57

limit is t goes to infinity,

0:27:00

right? Dogecoin is inflationary, by the

0:27:03

way. If you guys like Dogecoin, they add

0:27:05

like five million or 5% a year or

0:27:08

something like that. It's not quite a

0:27:10

percent, but it's it's inflationary over

0:27:12

time. So this chart tells you everything

0:27:14

you need to know. In fact, this chart is

0:27:16

pretty much the macroeconomic

0:27:19

map for the last five years. And what it

0:27:21

tells you is if you're capitalized on

0:27:23

bonds, you're in deep trouble. That's

0:27:24

why Silicon Valley Bank went bankrupt.

0:27:27

That's why all the banks were

0:27:28

technically insolvent because they're

0:27:30

just awful investments. And you can see

0:27:32

that the secret to MSTR's performance is

0:27:37

we fund at the cost of credit or the

0:27:39

cost of equity which is somewhere

0:27:41

between six and 14% and then we invest

0:27:44

at 48%

0:27:46

and then our equity then is able to

0:27:49

outperform Bitcoin.

0:27:52

Um we've grown through a number of

0:27:54

cycles.

0:27:56

You know, first we used cash flows, then

0:27:59

we used senior debt, then we used

0:28:01

convertible debt. At one point we use

0:28:04

some asset back debt. And eventually we

0:28:07

realized that the best sort of

0:28:09

amplification for the equity was

0:28:11

preferred shares that are perpetual to

0:28:13

never come due because that strips all

0:28:15

the credit risk. You know, senior debt

0:28:18

doesn't work because you have EVA

0:28:19

covenants. Asset back debt doesn't work

0:28:22

because you get margin called. uh

0:28:24

convertible bonds worked to the you

0:28:27

know10 billion dollars worth of it but

0:28:29

at some point you outstripped the

0:28:30

convertible bond market and uh all of

0:28:33

those are examples of using credit as a

0:28:36

tactic

0:28:38

to support the equity. So the first four

0:28:41

years of our company the equity was the

0:28:43

product and the credit was the tactic.

0:28:47

When you're issuing 144A debt

0:28:49

instruments that's a tactic to juice

0:28:51

your equity. What happened in 2025 is we

0:28:55

realized that we should create a credit

0:28:58

product and the credit became the

0:29:00

product not the equity. The equity

0:29:02

became the byproduct of selling the

0:29:04

credit. We inverted the entire business

0:29:06

model and strife stretch stream strike

0:29:09

and stride at the bottom. Those are

0:29:11

products. They're credit products sold

0:29:14

to the general public that then that in

0:29:17

themsel have the value and the equity uh

0:29:21

is imbued with value because of the

0:29:23

credit instruments.

0:29:25

And this picture helps a little bit more

0:29:27

than this that what is the treasury

0:29:30

business model? It's it's simple. I

0:29:32

raise capital. I buy digital capital. I

0:29:36

strip the risk, the volatility, the

0:29:39

delta and the duration off the capital.

0:29:43

I transform it into the currency of your

0:29:45

choice and I give you the pure yield.

0:29:49

I give you a credit spread above the

0:29:51

risk-free rate. So what you can see here

0:29:54

is the Bitcoin is about a 48% annualized

0:29:57

yield.

0:29:59

It was a rolling 38 V, but call it call

0:30:02

it like a 40% yield, 40% AR, 40 V type

0:30:06

instrument. If you walk down the street

0:30:08

and you ask the average person, do you

0:30:10

want to put your life savings into that

0:30:12

instrument? The answer is generally no.

0:30:14

If they spend a 100 hours or a thousand

0:30:16

hours, they get convicted.

0:30:18

And if they don't need the money for

0:30:20

four years, then that money they don't

0:30:22

need for four years after they spend a h

0:30:24

100red hours, they might put some of

0:30:26

that into Bitcoin or all of that. That's

0:30:28

the Bitcoin community. But as you can

0:30:30

imagine,

0:30:32

you're not going to sell a product to a

0:30:34

billion people if it takes a 100 hours

0:30:36

to understand it. And if they can't use

0:30:38

it for four years, right? I have a

0:30:41

beautiful car. You can't drive it for

0:30:43

four years. There's a 100 hour course

0:30:45

before you can buy it. But after four

0:30:48

years, it's going to be the best car

0:30:49

ever. That is not a consumer product,

0:30:52

right? That that's something different.

0:30:54

It's almost like a religious product.

0:30:56

But and if you go to Bitcoin

0:30:58

conferences, right, we're pretty f

0:31:00

fervent. We're pretty passionate. Um but

0:31:03

you can see what strategy is doing is

0:31:06

we're taking the capital and we're

0:31:09

stripping the risk in the va, extracting

0:31:11

the yield and selling it as a credit

0:31:14

instrument.

0:31:16

The first one was strike. It was

0:31:17

convertible preferred. And we gave you a

0:31:19

portion of the upside and we give you a

0:31:22

liquidation preference and we give you a

0:31:24

fat dividend. So it's like it's like a

0:31:28

Bitcoin fellowship, right? You'll get

0:31:29

some upside, you'll get paid a living

0:31:31

stipen while you wait and you get way

0:31:34

over collateralized and it's for someone

0:31:36

that kind of wants to have their cake

0:31:37

and eat it too, but doesn't want the

0:31:38

roller coaster. And uh so we did that

0:31:42

and that was a billion dollar idea. And

0:31:45

then we did Strife, STRF, and that was

0:31:47

10% dividend at par. And that was um I'm

0:31:51

just going to pay you 10% forever,

0:31:54

you know, and here's the other

0:31:55

interesting observation. You know, we

0:31:58

would like to have paid 5% instead of

0:31:59

10%, but we realized we'd have to pay

0:32:01

10% to sell the preferred. And then it

0:32:05

occurred to me that it's a lot better to

0:32:06

pay 10% forever than 5% on a 5-year

0:32:09

note. If you pay 5% on a 5year note,

0:32:13

you're like any of 50,000 other

0:32:14

corporate issuers. When you pay 10%

0:32:17

forever, you're the best. If the person

0:32:20

wanted to buy fixed income, so what

0:32:24

turned out to be the bug inverted to be

0:32:26

the feature. And that's actually the

0:32:28

theme of my entire presentation, which

0:32:30

is the bug of Bitcoin becomes the

0:32:33

feature. the bug of of uh digital credit

0:32:37

becomes the feature over and over again.

0:32:40

The bug of the business model becomes

0:32:42

the feature and that's the innovation

0:32:44

here. So

0:32:46

we um we did a few other deals. We did

0:32:49

stride where we stripped the cumulative

0:32:51

rate off of the instrument and it adds

0:32:53

about a 400 to 500 basis point credit

0:32:56

spread. So, you either get the 10% in

0:32:58

the investment grade bond-like

0:33:01

instrument or you get the 15% in the

0:33:03

equity-like instrument. And the truth is

0:33:06

the people that want the former don't

0:33:08

want the latter. And the people that

0:33:09

want the latter prefer the latter over

0:33:11

the former. And so we just tapped into

0:33:13

two different pools of capital there.

0:33:15

And um while we were working through

0:33:17

this,

0:33:19

we uh we tried to go do a deal in Europe

0:33:21

and we got styied by a regulator and we

0:33:24

were in a and we couldn't do something.

0:33:25

So I in the summer I thought what can we

0:33:28

sell in the US and and uh we thought

0:33:31

about selling a euro instrument on the

0:33:33

NASDAQ but the NASDAQ wouldn't list it

0:33:35

because they can't support foreign

0:33:37

currencies and then we thought about a

0:33:39

yen and we couldn't do that. So we

0:33:41

thought well what can we do in dollars

0:33:43

and we'd already done the long end of

0:33:44

the yield curve. We'd sold a 10-year

0:33:46

duration instrument. So I thought what

0:33:48

about a one-mon duration instrument and

0:33:51

we started thinking about an adjustable

0:33:53

var variable rate monthly preferred

0:33:56

stock and partly it was what could we do

0:33:59

or what we haven't done and then partly

0:34:01

it was people just want to get their

0:34:03

principle back and partly is they want

0:34:06

cash dividends.

0:34:08

So we started thinking about this

0:34:09

product stretch and and stretch became

0:34:11

the biggest piece of financial

0:34:13

engineering. stretches like kerosene

0:34:15

distilled from a barrel of crude oil.

0:34:18

It's just pure liquid energy. And um as

0:34:23

you can see the way the tower is working

0:34:25

right now is we've stripped the 38 to 28

0:34:28

to 21 to 16 in a 9vt. There is a

0:34:32

conservation of energy. There is no such

0:34:34

thing as a free lunch. That's the law of

0:34:37

thermodynamics. So if I make the

0:34:39

volatility go away from the credit, it

0:34:41

has to go somewhere. And so what it does

0:34:43

is it floats up to the equity and so

0:34:46

does the excess performance. So we end

0:34:48

up creating a highly volatile high

0:34:50

performance equity

0:34:52

by creating lower volatility lower

0:34:55

performance less risky credit

0:34:58

instruments. And the entire company's

0:35:00

reason for being is to actually take an

0:35:03

asset Bitcoin which is call it a 10-year

0:35:06

duration

0:35:08

instrument with 50 vol and 50 AR

0:35:11

and we carve out of that a one month

0:35:15

duration or one-year duration and we

0:35:17

carve out of that 10% ARR and we carve

0:35:21

out of that we strip 90% of the

0:35:24

volatility off or 90% of the risk off

0:35:28

and We offer that to a credit investor.

0:35:32

In the process of doing that, we

0:35:34

actually create Bitcoin per share. So,

0:35:36

we're creating BTC yield. We're adding

0:35:39

Bitcoin Satoshi's per share every single

0:35:42

time period

0:35:44

because when I sell a billion dollars

0:35:45

worth of credit and buy back a billion

0:35:47

of Bitcoin, I've issued no common stock,

0:35:50

but I have actually bought a billion of

0:35:53

Bitcoin. So, the equity gets uh gets

0:35:56

amplified.

0:35:58

And uh you can see here a snapshot of

0:36:00

the capital structure. In essence, with

0:36:03

$61 billion of Bitcoin uh value, we have

0:36:08

a bit of debt, 8.2 billion of

0:36:10

convertible debt from our fir our last

0:36:12

four year year period. We will equitize

0:36:15

that over time, but that's about 13% of

0:36:18

our hard assets. That means that Bitcoin

0:36:21

could fall 85%. We're still covered over

0:36:24

collateralized on the debt. But the more

0:36:26

interesting thing is that

0:36:28

the dividend payments represent 1.3% of

0:36:32

the net assets. So that means Bitcoin

0:36:33

has to appreciate 130 basis points a

0:36:35

year to cover the dividends forever.

0:36:38

There's perception that somehow this is

0:36:40

risky. But the bet that we're making is

0:36:43

we think Bitcoin will go up 1.3% a year

0:36:47

and if we're wrong in 77 years we have

0:36:50

to come up with a different idea, right?

0:36:52

I mean that's if we're wrong like

0:36:55

assuming Bitcoin goes up zero. Look, if

0:36:57

Bitcoin goes to zero tomorrow

0:36:59

immediately forever, then of course

0:37:01

that's that this is not going to work.

0:37:03

But but um the way the way the math

0:37:06

works is

0:37:08

you create shareholder value and you pay

0:37:11

the dividends forever if you get 130

0:37:13

basis points of BTC gain or or

0:37:16

appreciation. If Bitcoin appreciates

0:37:19

faster than the blended dividend rate,

0:37:21

the 10% or so, then you actually

0:37:24

outperform Bitcoin and with the equity.

0:37:27

So your two numbers are your minimum is

0:37:29

your creating value. The you know the

0:37:32

the 10% hurdle is you're outperforming

0:37:34

Bitcoin and at 0% in 77 years you run

0:37:38

out of money.

0:37:41

Um we just managed to get a credit

0:37:43

rating from the S&P. This is challenging

0:37:46

given the the Bosle accords Basel

0:37:49

framework valued Bitcoin is zero but as

0:37:52

Basil gets updated and it looks like

0:37:54

it'll get updated I think we'll move our

0:37:55

way up this credit stack.

0:37:58

Um the advantage of getting the credit

0:38:00

rating is it tripled the addressable

0:38:02

market for our credit instruments

0:38:04

overnight. So that was good. There's a

0:38:06

lot of people that that like digital

0:38:08

assets and believe in Bitcoin but they

0:38:10

couldn't buy without a credit rating.

0:38:11

And so this was very important to them.

0:38:14

And so now we get to the third part uh

0:38:17

digital credit.

0:38:20

Well, these are the products, right? Uh

0:38:22

what is what is strike? Well, it's got

0:38:24

an equity component. It's got an

0:38:26

effective yield and it's forex

0:38:28

overcolateralized.

0:38:35

What is stride? It's uh it's a long

0:38:35

duration high yield instrument. So it

0:38:38

has an effective yield of 14%

0:38:41

tax equivalent yield of 22. Why is it

0:38:44

tax equivalent yield of 22%. Because

0:38:46

it's a return of capital dividend, a

0:38:48

rock dividend. It means that it's tax

0:38:50

deferred until you've reduced your basis

0:38:52

to zero. So, one of the one of the

0:38:55

elegant things about digital credit is

0:38:57

they're all rock dividends if they're

0:38:59

issued by a treasury company.

0:39:02

Um, you can see what you're competing

0:39:04

against, but I think you guys know what

0:39:05

you can get in the market. Normal junk

0:39:07

bonds or private credit are half of

0:39:09

that.

0:39:12

Strife uh pays 9 9 and a half% even 10%

0:39:15

the tax equivalent yield is 15. It's the

0:39:19

most highly over collateralized. It's

0:39:21

the longest duration instrument

0:39:24

and stretch is treasury credit. So if

0:39:28

you think about if you were to say what

0:39:30

I think is the perfect product, the

0:39:32

perfect product is 600 to 800 basis

0:39:35

points of pure yield over the risk-free

0:39:38

rate in the currency of your liabilities

0:39:41

in a stable instrument. Like that's what

0:39:44

it's a high yield bank account. Uh who

0:39:47

wants that? Everybody wants that, right?

0:39:49

The only question is what's the catch?

0:39:51

And the catch is you have to believe in

0:39:53

Bitcoin. That's your first risk. And

0:39:55

then you have to trust the issuer.

0:39:57

Right? If you trust the issuer, you

0:39:59

believe in Bitcoin, then you're probably

0:40:01

going to ask, well, what is the V and

0:40:03

what is the liquidity to decide, can you

0:40:05

get 20 million in and out of it or is it

0:40:07

2 million in and out or 200,000 in and

0:40:09

out? But the idea of treasury credit is

0:40:13

a is just a fortunate serendipitous

0:40:16

discovery. We tripped over it. Uh nobody

0:40:19

in the history of the capital markets

0:40:21

has uh created a monthly variable rate

0:40:24

preferred stock. It's not that it's

0:40:26

illegal. It's not that you can't. The

0:40:28

security law let you do it. You can do

0:40:30

just about anything with a preferred

0:40:32

stock. It's just that no well-run

0:40:34

company ever thought to do it or had a

0:40:37

motive to do it or a reason to do it.

0:40:40

And so when you put together

0:40:43

digital capital with AI

0:40:47

with um a publicly listed preferred with

0:40:51

a shelf registration with an ATM.

0:40:55

Now you we blended all the best elements

0:40:58

of crypto and ETFs and public companies

0:41:04

and ATMs all of them together with a

0:41:06

digital distribution channel. And now it

0:41:09

seems like an a pretty obvious idea, but

0:41:13

um I can even say I don't think this was

0:41:16

developed over the weekend uh by me out

0:41:19

of uh frustration of not being able to

0:41:21

do anything else using an AI and if I

0:41:24

had not had an AI

0:41:27

and I hadn't had the other experiences

0:41:29

of having done strike and strife and

0:41:31

stride and done the and done the $30

0:41:33

billion of ATM revenue

0:41:35

and if I hadn't, you know, If it hadn't

0:41:38

all come together at the same time, we

0:41:39

never would have found this. So, it's a

0:41:41

it's it's a simple thing to do in the

0:41:42

year 2025 with all the right technology,

0:41:45

but in the year 2022

0:41:48

or 2019, it wouldn't never happen.

0:41:54

Uh, stream is the deal we did just two

0:41:55

weeks ago. It's basically a version of

0:41:56

Strife that's in euros, 100 euro par

0:41:59

value, uh, pays 10% at par. Um,

0:42:04

it turns out that that we were like one

0:42:07

of the first issuers of preferred stock

0:42:08

in Europe because most of the time fixed

0:42:11

income in Europe is hybrids. They're

0:42:12

bond instruments and they're bond

0:42:15

instruments because the companies that

0:42:16

issue them want to be able to deduct the

0:42:18

dividend or deduct the dividends as

0:42:20

interest because it's to their

0:42:21

advantage.

0:42:23

And here you stumble on a very another

0:42:25

theme which is most credit instruments

0:42:27

are issued to the benefit of the issuer

0:42:31

or they're crippled

0:42:33

because the credit is issued tactically

0:42:37

to fund a project, an automobile, a

0:42:40

building, a service, a stock buyback.

0:42:45

People are issuing credit

0:42:48

to uh to benefit the equity or the

0:42:51

product or the service.

0:42:54

Let me invert your worldview. What if

0:42:56

you issued the credit as the product?

0:42:58

What if the goal was I want to create

0:43:01

the best credit instrument for someone

0:43:02

to buy?

0:43:05

Well, for what purpose? Well, just to do

0:43:07

it. What are you going to do with the

0:43:09

money? I'm going to buy Bitcoin. Dean,

0:43:10

you've done that before. Yeah, 100 times

0:43:12

before. So, so what's the unique

0:43:15

project? There's no unique project. So,

0:43:16

what are you trying to do? I'm trying to

0:43:18

create the credit which is the best in

0:43:19

the world. So, now you invert. you're

0:43:22

like, I'm not going to the

0:43:23

credit. I'm actually going to make the

0:43:26

credit fly. I want to empower it.

0:43:30

So with Stretch, we created it. It came

0:43:32

out at 90 and it's it's on this path,

0:43:35

you know, to stabilize at 100, you know,

0:43:37

and we have a lot of tools to do it.

0:43:40

Partly time does it, partly as the AUM

0:43:43

grows, it gets stable, partly it's

0:43:45

marketing, partly we adjust the dividend

0:43:48

up. if it's weak and if it trades above

0:43:50

100, we can exercise the ATM to trim the

0:43:53

ball off the side. So, there's a lot of

0:43:55

things going on here as it approaches

0:43:58

par and stabilizes. But that's the first

0:44:00

uh four months.

0:44:06

So, this is our digital credit line and

0:44:06

what you can see is we kind of went from

0:44:08

a Z business to $7.6 billion business in

0:44:12

10 months.

0:44:18

Um, and I joke with people, you know, it

0:44:18

took me um, it took me a decade to come

0:44:21

up with a billion-dollar idea. I took

0:44:23

the company public. Then I spent 20

0:44:25

years trying to come up with the second

0:44:26

billion-dollar idea. I could not find

0:44:28

it. I tried 20 things. They all didn't

0:44:30

work.

0:44:32

And then the COVID lockdowns came and we

0:44:35

discovered digital capital and that was

0:44:36

the second billion dollar idea. And then

0:44:39

converts were the third billion dollar

0:44:40

idea. And then the ATMs were the fourth

0:44:43

billion dollar idea.

0:44:45

And that all happened over the next four

0:44:47

years. And then in 2025, we combined AI

0:44:50

with preferred with credit. And we came

0:44:53

up with Strike, Strife, Stride, Stretch,

0:44:58

and Stream. And it was literally a

0:45:00

billion dollar idea every eight weeks. A

0:45:03

billion dollar business, right? And so

0:45:05

and and so why we're combining digital

0:45:07

capital, digital intelligence to create

0:45:10

digital credit.

0:45:12

And what market are you targeting?

0:45:14

You're you're targeting the $300

0:45:15

trillion credit market. Um so what's

0:45:19

special about these things? Well,

0:45:21

they're the most liquid uh preferred

0:45:24

stocks in the history of the world,

0:45:26

right? You can see the liquidity which

0:45:28

started at 70 million and we're up to

0:45:30

like 387 million a week. And so they're

0:45:33

starting to trade insane volumes. The

0:45:37

normal preferred stock trades $100,000 a

0:45:40

day over the counter. The public listed

0:45:42

hybrid or preferred trades a million

0:45:44

dollars a day.

0:45:47

The first tries we had uh were trading

0:45:50

20 million or 30 million, 20 to 30x

0:45:52

that. And then stretch traded 100x that

0:45:55

and now it's moving to 200x that and

0:45:57

it's first year. So, we really have line

0:46:00

of sight to something that trades a

0:46:02

billion dollars a day.

0:46:05

And if you ask the average the average

0:46:07

salesperson in finance, what do you

0:46:09

think about preps? They think, well,

0:46:10

these these things are all kind of dogs.

0:46:11

They're boring.

0:46:13

They're complicated. I mean, it's it's

0:46:15

all kind of garbage. Like I I mean, I

0:46:17

think it's garbage. It's like you're

0:46:19

yielding 6% and it's issued by one in

0:46:21

5,000 regional banks. It's heterogeneous

0:46:23

credit. You don't have any bond

0:46:26

guarantees. The yield isn't that good.

0:46:28

It's over the counter traded. You can't

0:46:30

find it. You need a Bloomberg and a QIP

0:46:33

number to figure out what's going on.

0:46:35

It's it's almost like constructed to

0:46:38

make it difficult for people to buy it.

0:46:42

And um we uh and that's what happens

0:46:46

when you think the credit is the tactic

0:46:49

as opposed to the credit is the product.

0:46:53

Now I talked about serendipity. We kept

0:46:56

stumbling upon things, right?

0:47:00

Credit on Bitcoin is better, ATMs are

0:47:02

better, four-letter tickers are better,

0:47:04

shelf registrations are better. And then

0:47:07

and then we stumbled on the fact that

0:47:10

all of our dividends are taxfree,

0:47:13

tax deferred technically. When we pay

0:47:15

you the dividend, it's a return of

0:47:17

capital, which means if you're a retail

0:47:18

investor, you don't you don't pay city

0:47:20

tax, state tax, or federal tax on it.

0:47:23

You just reduce your basis.

0:47:25

So your your 10% is a 10% cash dividend.

0:47:31

How do you do that? Well, you have to

0:47:33

have negative earnings and profit. So as

0:47:36

a practical matter, no well-run bank can

0:47:38

do that. They're always going to be

0:47:39

taxable. No well-run company can do

0:47:41

that. You have to build a treasury

0:47:44

company from the beginning that was

0:47:45

never to generate earnings and profit in

0:47:48

order to do this.

0:47:50

So the bug becomes the feature.

0:47:53

Again, that's the theme. The bug is the

0:47:55

feature. You guys, how do you pay the

0:47:57

dividends? Well, you either issue, you

0:47:59

either sell the capital that you bought,

0:48:01

right? You buy Bitcoin at 10,000, it

0:48:03

goes to 100,000, you sell some of it,

0:48:06

you pay the dividend, that is a return

0:48:08

of capital. Or you sell the equity

0:48:12

backed by the Bitcoin and that is a

0:48:14

return of capital. And how long can you

0:48:17

do that? Well, you can do that forever.

0:48:19

What do you need? You need Bitcoin to go

0:48:21

up more than 130 basis points.

0:48:24

Is that sustainable? Of course it is.

0:48:27

Now, that has some profound

0:48:30

consequences.

0:48:32

The first is now you've got a path to

0:48:34

amplify your equity. Right? If you just

0:48:36

start selling, if you have 60 billion of

0:48:37

Bitcoin, you sell $6 billion of credit,

0:48:40

you've generated 10% yield and you've

0:48:43

generated amplification and you end up

0:48:45

accreating Bitcoin per share. So, you

0:48:47

just sell the credit in order to

0:48:49

outperform Bitcoin. It's pretty

0:48:51

straightforward thing.

0:48:54

But um I don't really want to talk about

0:48:58

the equity so much. The equity used to

0:48:59

be the product. Now the credit is the

0:49:01

product. I think the most interesting

0:49:03

thing is digital credit. So let's talk a

0:49:07

little bit about the theory of digital

0:49:09

credit.

0:49:10

Well,

0:49:12

digital credit is built on Bitcoin.

0:49:14

That's an appreciating asset. Mortgage

0:49:17

back credit is built on someone's house.

0:49:18

it's a depreciating house or commercial

0:49:21

credit or or it's backed by products and

0:49:25

services of a company. So, a lot of

0:49:27

collateral is depreciating, but Bitcoin

0:49:29

is appreciating.

0:49:34

When you're holding a billion dollars of

0:49:34

mortgage back securities that, you know,

0:49:36

you're backed by 8,000 loans, it's it's

0:49:39

heterogeneous. It's opaque. It's

0:49:41

discreet. When you're holding a billion

0:49:43

dollars of Bitcoin credit is backed by

0:49:45

Bitcoin. It's transparent. It's

0:49:47

homogeneous. Is it continuous? On our

0:49:49

website, we have our credit model. We uh

0:49:51

update it every 15 seconds. You can go

0:49:54

to the credit tab. You can type in the

0:49:56

ball volatility forecast. You can type

0:49:58

in your AI. You can type it. It loads

0:50:01

with the current V, the current price of

0:50:03

Bitcoin every 15 seconds. But you can

0:50:05

type in your own assumptions and it'll

0:50:07

spit out the credit spreads, the risk,

0:50:10

etc. You can't do that with commercial

0:50:13

credit, retail credit, credit card

0:50:16

credit. You can't do it with sovereign

0:50:19

credit. The credit risk on a you know

0:50:21

Ukrainian bond tends to discreetly

0:50:24

change depending upon the disposition of

0:50:26

politics in the war.

0:50:33

So the third the third big by the way

0:50:33

and each time we do something like that

0:50:35

we can pay a higher yield. So the reason

0:50:37

these digital credit insurance pay a

0:50:39

higher yield is because structurally

0:50:41

they're just better. Um, for example,

0:50:45

bank credit is a bank deposit. Bank

0:50:47

deposits are two-day loans. The bank has

0:50:50

to give you back your money in 48 hours

0:50:52

or 24 hours. If you want it back, it's

0:50:54

overnight money. Corporate debt is 3 to

0:50:57

5 year duration capital. So, what you

0:50:59

have is overnight money or short

0:51:01

duration capital in most credit

0:51:03

instruments. Um, they amplify risk. It's

0:51:07

kind of obvious. If I basically take $10

0:51:09

billion of bank deposits and then I

0:51:11

issue $10 billion of mortgages for 20

0:51:13

years, I have borrowed short, I have

0:51:15

lent long, that's why I get the run on

0:51:17

the bank. If I go into the repo market

0:51:20

and I borrow the money for two weeks or

0:51:21

a month and then I go and buy mortgages

0:51:24

or I lever up, that's what le she or

0:51:27

that's what Lehman Brothers did. You're

0:51:29

just borrowing short, lending long, you

0:51:31

blow yourself up. But the beauty of

0:51:33

preferred equity is first of all, it's

0:51:36

not debt, it's equity. is literally not

0:51:37

leverage. It never comes due. And so

0:51:41

equity mitigates risk. It doesn't

0:51:43

amplify risk. It's still credit.

0:51:46

It's equity credit, not debt credit, not

0:51:49

deposit credit. Most people think of

0:51:51

credit in the form of deposits. Those

0:51:54

companies in Europe, they want to issue

0:51:56

debt so they can get the tax treatment,

0:51:59

but they're actually making them

0:52:00

liabilities, not assets.

0:52:03

Well, we took it one step further. We

0:52:05

actually made the the equity uh

0:52:08

perpetual so it never comes due. You

0:52:11

could put call provisions and refinance

0:52:13

provisions in a preferred stock that

0:52:15

make it look shorter duration.

0:52:17

But if you want to invest the money in

0:52:19

Bitcoin forever, then you'd like to have

0:52:21

the money forever and then you match

0:52:23

your duration. So you've got an

0:52:24

indefinite duration liability and an

0:52:27

indefinite duration asset.

0:52:31

And then how do you make it better?

0:52:33

Well, you know, you hear a lot about

0:52:34

private credit. Private credit is

0:52:37

illquid, unbranded, local, and difficult

0:52:39

to access.

0:52:41

Public credit,

0:52:43

STRC, is public credit. It's got a

0:52:45

ticker. You can buy it in London or or

0:52:49

any stock exchange. It's branded. It's

0:52:51

got a happy name, Stretch. It's global.

0:52:54

It's easy to access. You can buy it on

0:52:56

Robin Hood. So it seems pretty clear

0:52:59

that the difference between JPM1972

0:53:03

QIP on a Bloomberg versus STRC

0:53:08

is night and day for the retail

0:53:10

investor.

0:53:12

And then you got the digital creation.

0:53:15

If you if you want to buy a billion

0:53:16

dollars of mortgage back securities at

0:53:18

3:55 in the afternoon on Thursday, how

0:53:22

do you create a billion dollars worth of

0:53:23

the loans?

0:53:26

like how much effort does it take to

0:53:28

issue a billion dollars worth of uh

0:53:30

commercial credit or retail credit or

0:53:34

mortgage back credit? It's a lot of

0:53:35

work. That's why there that that's why

0:53:38

there are 50,000 100,000 employees

0:53:40

working at a bank. There's a lot of

0:53:41

paperwork.

0:53:43

But in this particular case, if you want

0:53:45

to buy a billion dollars worth of

0:53:47

digital credit at 355, we literally

0:53:49

print the thing and then we hedge it out

0:53:53

that day. By 8 a.m. the next morning, we

0:53:57

have backed a billion dollars of credit

0:53:58

with another billion dollars of new

0:54:00

collateral and we're generating these

0:54:03

instruments digitally in real time.

0:54:06

And that is a that's a big breakthrough,

0:54:09

right? I mean that you don't see that

0:54:11

with other forms of credit. And then uh

0:54:14

the last big breakthrough is their rock

0:54:16

dividends.

0:54:18

And uh return of capital dividends.

0:54:20

They've been around since 1910. Uh you

0:54:23

see them used by real estate companies,

0:54:25

oil pipeline companies, master limited

0:54:28

partnerships, REITs sometime sometimes.

0:54:30

But but normally you're limited to 3,

0:54:33

four, 5% dividend and you're capped out

0:54:36

by your amount of capital you can

0:54:38

depreciate. And it's very difficult to

0:54:39

scale those things. No one's ever

0:54:42

created a 10%

0:54:44

uh dividend paying preferred that was a

0:54:47

rock dividend. And and they've

0:54:48

definitely never figured out how to pay

0:54:50

a hundred billion dollars of them.

0:54:53

And so what's really interesting here is

0:54:56

this treasury model which is the capital

0:54:58

is raised tax deferred, the earnings are

0:55:02

generated tax deferred, the dividends

0:55:04

are paid tax deferred. The entire

0:55:06

thing's a massive flywheel. It's the

0:55:08

most taxefficient way to generate fixed

0:55:10

income in the world. And I think that

0:55:13

the profound insight we had and really

0:55:15

this is an aha moment over the past 12

0:55:17

weeks is that we inadvertently created

0:55:20

the most taxefficient generator of fixed

0:55:23

income in the world. Like uh there's no

0:55:26

one else that's going to tell you they

0:55:27

can pay billions of dollars a year worth

0:55:29

of dividends that are all returns of

0:55:31

capital.

0:55:32

So the company is a digital credit

0:55:34

factory. If you understand swaps, if you

0:55:37

ever traded interest rate swaps or any

0:55:39

kind of swap, what's going on here is

0:55:42

we're giving credit investors a USD

0:55:44

yield and we're swapping that into a BTC

0:55:47

yield for the equity investor.

0:55:49

The equity people want to outperform

0:55:51

Bitcoin. The credit investor wants to

0:55:53

outperform the money market. And so, how

0:55:55

do you do that scalably with no credit

0:55:58

risk? You need to do it with a perpetual

0:56:00

preferred equity publicly listed, right?

0:56:02

There are other ways to create that

0:56:04

swap, but if it's not publicly listed,

0:56:06

you have redemption risk. You have all

0:56:07

sorts of other uh scalable problems. And

0:56:10

so we figured out a way to create

0:56:13

scalable swaps. And we can do it in US

0:56:16

dollars, we can do it in euros, we could

0:56:18

do it in any currency in theory. It just

0:56:21

happens probably the most important ones

0:56:22

are the are the top ones.

0:56:25

You can quantify the value of return of

0:56:27

capital dividends. You know, if you're

0:56:30

holding the instrument for 10 years and

0:56:31

you're a retail investor, you get 644%

0:56:34

more money if you're using rock

0:56:38

dividends or receiving them than if

0:56:39

you're a taxpayer in California, for

0:56:42

example,

0:56:44

owning a money market. And so, if we

0:56:47

boil down the opportunities,

0:56:51

this is a a snapshot of uh stretch yield

0:56:55

versus other credit instruments in the

0:56:57

US market. And you can see what's going

0:56:59

on here is we're paying two and a half

0:57:01

times as much as a money market, but

0:57:03

we're paying four times as much on a tax

0:57:05

equivalent basis if you're if you're a

0:57:07

Florida resident. If you're a New York

0:57:10

resident, it turns out that um we're

0:57:12

paying five times as much, right? If you

0:57:15

live in New York City, it's it's like a

0:57:17

bank account that yields 22%.

0:57:19

If you live in uh San Francisco, like

0:57:23

So, you can see the competitor is the

0:57:25

money market. The money market has one

0:57:27

advantage. It's very low volatility and

0:57:30

it's very and it's well distributed

0:57:32

and uh what we're offering is something

0:57:35

which is just four times better if you

0:57:37

can get over the risk.

0:57:39

This is what stream looks like in Europe

0:57:43

there. The 10-year rate is 260 basis

0:57:45

points. We're paying 12 a.5. The money

0:57:48

markets pay 1 and a.5% taxable. Tax

0:57:51

equivalent yield there is nearly 20%.

0:57:53

And now that's what it looks like to

0:57:55

someone in Vienna. Think about that. a

0:57:56

bank account that pays you 27.8% in

0:57:59

Vienna versus what the bank actually

0:58:02

pays, which is nothing. So, this is new,

0:58:06

but you look at it, you're like, well,

0:58:07

what's the catch? It's like,

0:58:10

do you trust Bitcoin? Do you trust the

0:58:11

issuer? Right? We're you can see we're

0:58:14

on an evangelical

0:58:16

campaign. We need to we need to preach

0:58:20

the merits of digital credit. If you

0:58:23

look across all those credit

0:58:24

instruments, what you can see is they're

0:58:27

all twice as good as private credit.

0:58:30

They're like four times or five times as

0:58:32

good as money markets. They're 10 times

0:58:35

as good as European money markets,

0:58:38

right? What what's the monetary

0:58:40

revolution? It's um why don't we give a

0:58:42

billion people a bank account that pays

0:58:44

10% tax deferred, right? Uh it doesn't

0:58:48

take a 100 hours to figure that out.

0:58:51

And here's a snapshot of currencies in

0:58:53

the world. You see the US has actually

0:58:55

got the highest risk-free rate. But look

0:58:57

at Singapore 140 basis points.

0:59:01

Japan 50 basis points. So what's the

0:59:04

travesty? The travesty is somebody in

0:59:05

Japan's collecting nothing on their life

0:59:08

savings and they could be collecting

0:59:12

Right? That's the travesty.

0:59:15

So all told, when you put these

0:59:17

together, like if what you want is

0:59:21

enhanced exposure to cap digital capital

0:59:23

and digital credit and you're an equity

0:59:25

investor and you can handle long time

0:59:27

frames and a lot of volatility, you

0:59:29

would buy our equity. If you don't trust

0:59:31

anybody and you want to just invest in

0:59:33

digital capital with no counterparty

0:59:35

risk, just buy Bitcoin.

0:59:38

If you want a blend of both, you buy the

0:59:40

convert. If you want maximum cash flows,

0:59:43

you buy that high yield junior

0:59:45

instrument. If you want the highest

0:59:48

seniority, you take the senior

0:59:49

instrument. And if you just want

0:59:52

stability and you want a high yield bank

0:59:55

account, you buy the treasury

0:59:57

instrument.

0:59:58

And if you don't know what you want, you

1:00:01

want stretch, right? If you don't know

1:00:03

what you want, this is this is 15

1:00:06

seconds.

1:00:08

That's the offer. That's the product.

1:00:16

I have spent the last five years giving

1:00:16

hundreds of hours of talks about

1:00:17

Bitcoin. Trust me, it takes a long time

1:00:20

to get Bitcoin. But again, Bitcoin is

1:00:22

the perfect product as long as you don't

1:00:24

need to use it for four years.

1:00:27

And this is the product for someone that

1:00:29

needs their money back in four weeks

1:00:30

that has a short attention span. And at

1:00:33

this point, you know, we're stretches

1:00:37

one basis point, 1% of 1% of the

1:00:41

treasury market in the US. So if we can

1:00:44

be 1%, it could be 100 times as big. It

1:00:48

could be a $300 billion

1:00:50

aum if we just get to 1% of the treasury

1:00:54

market. And that is uh the campaign. So

1:00:58

with that, I want to thank you all for

1:00:59

your time and your attention. I

1:01:00

appreciate it.

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