Michael Saylor: Bitcoin is Transforming Global Capital Markets | MSTR & BTC Outlook
Lights on invest · 2025-11-30 · 1h 01m · View on YouTube →
So, Michael Sailor, ladies and
gentlemen, executive chairman of
strategy.
Nice to see you all today. Um,
I'm uh I'm grateful to be invited uh to
speak. It's a lovely hotel.
I woke up this morning, the waves were
lapping on the shore. It was a Palm
Beach experience. Um I'm going to speak
about the digital transformation of our
capital markets and specifically um
three things. Uh the formation of
digital capital, the uh formation of a
new asset class, digital credit,
and then a new business model, a new
type of company, the digital treasury
company. And I think that um we're in
year one of this digital transformation
because we didn't have global consensus
on digital capital until March of this
year. Uh no one had seen digital credit
instruments before January and February
of this year. And uh and even in the
area of of the business model digital
treasuries, it wasn't wasn't even clear
in our mind
exactly what the business model was long
term until just a few months ago. But
but just in the past few months, I think
it's all clicking and I'm delighted to
share it with you. So let's start with
uh digital capital.
Well, you know, for those who didn't
guess, Bitcoin is digital capital. uh
capital, economic wealth, long-term
store of value. People talk about a
store of value asset. It's capital. What
is 20th century capital? Um 20th century
capital is equity. We call them the
equity capital markets. Uh equity,
private equity, public equity, real
estate, sometimes art held as a store of
value. Could be capital, maybe a sports
team, gold.
Um capital is uh is the left hand of
money. The right hand of money is
currency. Medium of exchange, the
dollar, the peso, the yen, the euro.
Stable coins are currency. Bitcoin is
capital. A lot of times people come to
erroneous conclusions because they think
about money and they think money is
currency as opposed to money is capital.
But of course, money could be used, the
phrase could be used to refer to
currency or to capital. It just happens
that a lot of people are lazy thinkers
and they insist upon interpreting it as
currency when it should be capital or
interpreting it as capital when it
should be currency. And I well Bitcoin
must be awful because I can't buy coffee
with it. But of course Apple stock isn't
awful because I can't buy coffee with
it. But Apple is capital. And so if you
define Apple as currency, then Apple is
an awful currency. And Apple will never
be the world reserve currency. And
therefore I must not value Apple. But of
course that's stupid. Of course, Apple
isn't currency. Apple is capital just as
Nvidia, just as a sports team is, just
as gold is. Um, you know, people never
really used gold as a medium of
exchange. It's always been backing some
credit instrument for thousands of
years. So, it's a myth to say, "Oh,
yeah, we used gold as currency and c and
as a store of value."
Generally, you do one or the other. So,
this capital idea, store of value
capital, um, wouldn't it be great if I
somehow came up with a digital way to
store my economic wealth for all of
eternity? Satoshi figured it out. People
for 17 years couldn't agree on it. They
fought over it. And the battle was
decided by this administration after
November 5th. On March of this year,
David Sax said, "Bitcoin is digital
gold. We recognize it as special." And
um as you can see, JD Vance thinks it's
digital gold. Donald Trump thinks it's
digital gold. I think you heard from
Eric Trump this morning who agrees it's
a digital gold. The head of the SEC,
Paul Atkins, thinks it's digital gold,
but so does the head of uh the national
intelligence director. I mean, Tulsi
Gabbard or Kelly Laughler or Bill Py or
Robert F. Kennedy or Howard Lutnik or
Cash Patel. Now, those are people you
wouldn't expect to have an opinion on uh
the distinction between currency and
capital and media exchange and store of
value, right? I by the way, if I if I
took a hundred uh PhD economists that
are classically trained, they probably
wouldn't get it right because they tend
to wrote uh wrote recite things that
they learned 40 or 50 years ago out of a
textbook without thinking much about it.
And of course the phrase that everyone
everyone recites without thinking much
about it is uh money is a store of value
medium exchange and unit of account
there and they stop and they don't
really say any much more about it. But
of course if it's very obvious to every
member of the cabinet Bitcoin is digital
gold and it was obvious to the president
of the United States you know then um
that's a pretty big step forward. 12
months ago we had one member of the
cabinet. Well, 13 months ago, one member
of the cabinet, Gary Gendler, who was a
Bitcoin maximalist,
you know, people, you could tell if you
were sophisticated. Gary Gendler was a
Bitcoin maximist for four years. Um, the
only people that couldn't tell were the
altcoiners, but but maybe they could
tell, too, which is why they didn't care
for him that much. Uh, but Gendler's
view was Bitcoin is a commodity. It's a
it's it's a a digital asset. It is sort
of a digital gold. uh he didn't care for
anything else and no one else in the
Biden administration had any opinion
whatsoever other than a negative
skeptical one. So the November election
was important.
This decision to embrace Bitcoin was a
very important move because that rippled
everywhere in the world. Um
what's the idea of digital gold? gold an
a bearer non-s sovereign bearer
instrument store of value asset that I
can teleport from here to there on a
digital rail okay straightforward idea
you need a network to do it the question
is which network and which protocol and
for 15 years we all fought about which
network which protocol and uh and the
matter is decided by political power
it's decided by financial support the
banks have embraced crypto, but
specifically they've embraced Bitcoin as
digital capital. Um, in the next six
months, you'll see a ton of banks start
to custody Bitcoin and extend credit
against it. Uh, in the past six months,
we've had about half of the major banks
in the United States start to extend
credit against IBIT, which is wrap
Bitcoin. So, all that's happening this
year as we speak.
Money determines the winner, right? So,
Wall Street embraced um embraced
Bitcoin. The IBIT ETF is the most
successful ETF in the history of Wall
Street. I've often times said um you
know
the war to determine the future of the
money is going to be fought and won with
money, right? It's so it's a question of
how much money is going to go onto which
network. Are we going to designate
Dogecoin or Yoyocoin as digital capital?
are we going to designate Bitcoin? And
of course, that's 140 billion from the
ETFs.
Um companies, 200 of them capitalize on
Bitcoin and they put about 100 billion
in. Um our companies spent a decent
amount of that, but we're not the only
ones. And if you were to say,
okay, what's the big idea? The big idea
is a bunch of rich people want to keep
their money and they don't trust the
bank. They don't trust the government.
They don't trust each other. They don't
trust anybody and they'd like to keep
their money forever. So we created
digital bank. We put it in cyberspace
and since we don't trust each other, we
all run a copy of the software and
that's a decentralized network. Okay.
Well, that's not a bad idea. this idea
that we're going to put our money at a
bank in cyerspace and we're going to run
a decentralized protocol and once you've
decided that the question is well can a
human being engineer that well yeah they
tried 50 times eventually Satoshi did it
with Bitcoin it worked it caught
and the second idea is well you know is
that the winning network or is there
another protocol that's going to
supplant it and that took about a decade
to settle that that question there was
the block size wars there was um there
was a lot of struggle
But people often times they they make
the mistake of thinking this is an
asset. It's not an asset. It's a
protocol. It's a protocol that uh that
actually inspires a network. The network
is hardware and software run by people.
There's an asset circulating on that
network. But the big idea is an economic
protocol for digital capital. And people
all worry well what you know what if
that gets hacked. And and the point that
I make is English is a protocol. Why are
we speaking English? Because a bunch of
smart powerful people fought over this
matter and the people that spoke English
won. If Napoleon had won, we'd be
speaking French. If Hitler had won, we'd
be speaking Germany. It turns out that
the English speakers won the wars. We
speak English. Why do we speak English?
Because all the rich, powerful people
speak English. Are there other
languages? Of course there are. Can you
imagine a better language? Of course you
can. Are there more beautiful languages?
Of course there are. But the point is
the rich powerful people don't speak
that. The rich powerful people speak
English. You have kids, you want them to
be rich and powerful, teach them
English. Same is true with Arabic
numerals. It's not the first system of
numbers. The Babylonians have a
different system, right? 360°
60 minutes base 60 type system. Okay,
the Greeks had a different system. The
Romans had a different system and then
the Arab the Arabic system was a force
system. There's probably who knows how
many other systems of math, right? I
mean computers spoke base 2 binary
system. So people people that use the
protocol that won that didn't fight the
war over the protocol forget that it was
a decision made and why do we use 0 1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9 because all the rich
powerful people settled upon it but by
the way not just because they settle on
it was better if you actually try to do
math and or or build computers with
Roman numerals versus computers with
Arabic numerals you know or work it just
Arabic just works
better, right? So, sometimes a protocol
has an advantage and that advantage
manifests itself. And if you look at
this picture, what is this telling you?
This is saying that the most Bitcoin is
the winner because it's the most
powerful electrically. It's got 24 gab
watts of electricity. It's the most
powerful computationally. It's got 1100
xahash. That's more computer power than
Microsoft and Amazon and Apple can
muster to attack the network right now.
So it was the most powerful
computationally,
it's the most powerful commercially,
right? What what you got a security or a
stock? How many of your stocks trade on
a thousand exchanges simultaneously
everywhere in the world 24/7, 365?
That's a simple question for me to
answer because the answer is none,
right? It's like I just I just listed a
stock in Europe. We listed ST we listed
on the Europe on the Luxembourg stock
exchange. That's one of 27 capital
markets in Europe. One of 27.
Um, I tried to actually list a uh euro
stock on the NASDAQ. NASDAQ doesn't
support euros. You can't have a
euro-based stock on the NASDAQ. So, what
you find is that is that for the most
part, a lot of assets don't trade 247
globally. They trade very locally in the
local nation, the local language, the
local time zone.
Bitcoin trades everywhere. So what what
other kind of power does it have? Well,
it has hundreds of millions of holders,
has 700 million crypto believers, has a
lot of political power. The crypto lobby
tipped the election in November. They're
very powerful. So what do you want? You
want political power. You want
electrical power. You want computational
power. You want commercial power. And
then the other thing it has is economic
power. There's 1.2 2 trillion dollar of
actual dollars that have been invested
in that network. My company alone put $
48 billion of actual cash in that
network. Um that's probably on the order
of if not 10 somewhere between 10 and
100 times more than any other network.
So um the battle to determine the
world's reserve capital network was
determined by what? by smart smart
people with money and it's been never
ending. It's been going on and what you
see today is this manifestation. A lot
of smart money made a decision. A lot of
smart people you you know decided to
like Google or they decided they like
Apple or they decided they like Amazon
and and you could say well I can copy
Amazon or my my favorite is well why New
York City? I can you know I can create a
city. Yeah, you can create a city.
It's not that complicated to create a
city. You create another city. There's a
lot of port cities. There's one New York
City because all the smart people with
money decided that was the one that was
best for a lot of reasons. If you go to
San Francisco and you look, you can see
that's a pretty good natural port, too.
Well, what about some other port? Well,
the point is all the people with money
and power pick that one. That's the
network that wins the war. And so, so
once you understand that you got a
digital capital network, 21 million
coins, there's never going to be more
than 21 million coins. Then the question
is, is it better than gold? Yeah, a lot
better. How much better? Infinitely
better. Gold has an inflation rate of
2%. Bitcoin has an inflation rate of 0%.
2% means you got a halfife of 36 years
for your money. Means you live a 100
years. 0% means you have a half life of
a of a billion trillion infinite years,
which means you're going to live
infinity.
Okay, one of them is immortal, one of
them is immortal, right? You're godlike
or you're just a person, right? When
someone tells you 2% inflation doesn't
matter, it matters. It's like, I'm going
to I'm going to build a machine and I'm
going to remove 2% of the energy every
cycle on the machine, does it matter? Of
course, it matters, right? Every
engineer knows you can't have 2%
friction on every turn of the wheel. And
yet, that's what 2% inflation is.
So gold, gold is metallic capital.
Bitcoin is digital capital. Digital
capital is this idea that I think I just
like to keep my money forever, right?
What's the product? 121 millionth of all
the money in the world forever. That's
the product. Okay, good product. Can you
design it? Yeah, but there, you know,
but is that the winning protocol? Well,
I think so. Beat everybody else. Why?
Because there needs to be a winner.
There needs to be. I mean, because of
you're smart and you have a lot. If you
got a hundred families with a billion
dollars each and they want to keep their
money and their choice is pick a winner
or lose all their money, the shelling
point is why don't we just pick the
winner? We'll all use the winning
network and we get to keep our money.
What's the alternative?
We lose our money. We go poor, right?
So, so it's not a complicated uh idea.
The game theory is pretty
straightforward. The world's full of
people that would like to keep their
money. And who do they trust? They don't
trust the French. They don't trust the
Brits. They don't trust the Italians.
They don't trust the Germans. They don't
trust anybody in the Middle East. They
don't trust anybody in Africa. They
don't trust any South American company.
They don't trust the Canadians. They
don't trust the Australians.
The Chinese don't trust the Chinese.
It's illegal to take money out of China.
Wonder why? Because everybody wants to
do it. Okay. The the Europeans don't
trust the euro. They want the dollar.
All the billionaire families I know live
in Stad.
All the billionaires I know that that
have a villa in France, they have an
apartment in Monaco.
Why? Think hard about it. Okay. So, who
are you going to trust? Right? This is
this is a tricky thing. Uh generally the
view of the world is everybody wants to
move themsel and their money to the
safest network, the most secure network.
So where is that? That's the United
States. I want United States property. I
want my kids to have United States
citizenship. I want to use the US
dollar. I want US equities. But the
problem is, you know, the United States
is not always welcoming to foreigners,
right? Certainly the Russian oligarchs
don't get to move here,
right? The the world is full of people
that that they would love to have
economic security the US. But then
again, maybe maybe your life is in
Europe or your life is in Brazil and
maybe your life is in Mexico.
You know, I I live in Miami Beach and um
I look across Indian Creek and I see
like these big condos and they're like
95% empty. It's all the Latin Americans.
They come, they buy a condo, they keep
it, that's where they, you know, that
was their Bitcoin. They were like
putting their their property into a
piece of foreign real estate, you know,
and then their daughters get pregnant
and they send them to Miami to have the
child so their kid has citizenship,
whether it's Venezuelan or Mexican or
Brazilian or whatever. And it's not unre
it's not irrational. It's very rational.
You could see it going on. Um, but what
does Bitcoin represent? It represents
that that hyper the most secure property
network in the world for people that
don't get to move their person or their
money to the United States. By the way,
if you live in the United States,
there's this blue state, red state thing
and a lot of people worry in the blue
state that maybe their property is not
so secure and they move to the red
states and that's what's driving
immigration into Florida right now. Um,
so that's the first big idea, digital
capital. The second big idea,
digital treasuries, a treasury company.
What happens if you capitalize on
digital capital? So, we capitalized on
Bitcoin. We bought it bought it about 87
times. I want you to understand what
we're doing. Bitcoin, I believe
Bitcoin's going up 30% a year for the
next 20 years. Um, it's been going up
50% for the last 5 years. It was going
up 80% for eight years. Okay? So 30%
represents a deceleration from 50% all
the way down to 20 or 15% over 20 years.
Every time we buy it, we're buying a
digital monopoly, the world's dominant
digital monetary network,
growing 30% a year at one times revenue.
Okay? Ask any CEO, if you could buy a
monopoly growing 30% a year for the next
20 years at one times revenue, would you
do it? And the answer is, of course you
would. I mean, everyone would kill to be
able to buy a company growing 30% a year
at one times revenue. Okay. Well, we
just did the same roll up 87 times.
We're just rolling up the digital
monopoly on money. And of course, once
you've done it once,
you're like, well, what's the risk?
Well, the risk is bit is you're wrong on
Bitcoin. If I'm wrong on Bitcoin, that's
the risk, right? The existential risk is
Bitcoin. It's like, I bet on New York
City. Well, what if Bitcoin sinks
beneath the waves? I'm going to lose my
bet. The risk is thermonuclear warhead
goes off in New York Harbor and I and my
real estate is not that valuable or it
sinks underneath the waves. Um, the risk
here is Bitcoin fails. So, let's say you
assume that risk. So, what is the
incremental risk on transactions one two
through 87?
Nothing. So in fact the risk-free rate
for us is 30%. Once you've assumed the
existential risk of of u capitalizing on
Bitcoin then you're basically buying
something at one times revenue growing
30% a year with no additional risk. It's
the same risk. Okay? And you might not
agree with me if you hate Bitcoin. But
what matters is that the 1% of people in
the world that agree with me own the
equity and that's their view. They think
Bitcoin is going up 30% a year. So once
you get that off, it's like, you know,
some people don't like New York City,
but the ones that live in New York City,
you know, you will pry their apartment
from their cold dead fingers. They think
the world is New York and everything
else is downhill from there and they're
going to live there. And you can give
them a million excuses or a million
reasons why it's risky to live there.
What if this and what if that and what
if the other thing and their view is,
well, it's New York. You don't get it.
It's New York, right? So, uh, in this
particular case,
you buy into the risk of Bitcoin. Now,
you do 87 acquisitions. And we ended up
acquiring 649,000 Bitcoin, about 3.1% of
the network. Um, that's not unlike
buying 3.1% of the real estate in New
York City.
It's just big REIT, right? We decided we
believed in, you know, Howard Hughes
bought up a lot more of Vegas, right? He
came into Vegas, he bought up all of
Vegas. right? Summerland, all the strip
made insane amounts of money because he
believed in Vegas. So, you just buy up
the real estate underlying the thing you
believe in. Um,
we're about the fifth largest treasury
in the S&P 500.
What's the big idea here? Uh, the only
company on this list that actually keeps
their capital is Berkshire Hathway.
The conventional corporate finance
strategy is to uh return capital to the
shareholders or surrender the capital or
decapitalize.
And that's because those companies are
capitalized on on sovereign debt or in
this case shortdated treasuries.
They're negatively polarized to capital.
So the big idea I have here is that if
you're negatively polarized to capital,
you have to get rid of your capital
because it's toxic. If you're positively
polarized to capital,
then the more capital you raise, the
more money you make. Once you understand
that, for for example, the the
Venezuelan boloulevard could be viewed
as capital. And if you were capitalized
on the boulevard before it lost 99.9% of
its value, I think you can see via
common sense that you're negatively
polarized to capital. You have to get
rid of it. You really want to, if you
want to be rich in a hyperinflating
economy, the way to do it is go into
debt, borrow a billion dollars when it's
worth a billion, and pay it off when
it's worth a million. Right? So you you
need negative working capital if you're
negatively polarized to capital. So a
rational CFO, they would just go to
negative working capital. That's why you
do LBOS. You borrow 10, 20, 30, 50
billion because the cost of capital is
lower than the monetary inflation rate
and you don't want to carry the capital.
If you capitalized on Bitcoin, then it's
the opposite. Then you're outperforming
the cost of capital. And this chart
illustrates it.
You see, over the last five years, um,
the cost of capital is 14%. It's set by
the S&P. Guess what else is yielding
14%. It turns out, lo and behold, the
gold is yielding 14%. How do you like
that? So 14% is your hurdle rate.
The normal capital asset is shortdated
treasury. That's the money chart. Money
markets, it's 3%. Blended. Okay. So,
you're investing at three. Your hurdle
is 14. you're minus 11. You're
destroying 11% of your treasury every
year. You're negatively polarized
capital.
If you could capitalize on um the S&P,
you could keep all your capital, meet
the hurdle rate. The problem with that
is it's illegal. The Investment Company
Act of 1940 made it illegal for a public
company to capitalize on a portfolio of
securities.
Not something you might Not everybody
knows this. I didn't know this. I never
had reason to think it. it was so
ingrained that you just wouldn't do it.
It never occurred to me why, but it's
it's uh it's written into the Investment
Company Act of 1940. So, if you can't
invest in the S&P, then you probably
can't capitalize on MAG7 stocks either.
They're also securities.
There's only one MAG7 stock that Nvidia
can buy. It's its own stock. There's
only one SA stock that Apple can buy,
Apple. So, why do we have buybacks?
because it's the only stock that
companies can buy per the SEC 40 act.
But look at Bitcoin. Bitcoin is 48%.
Bitcoin is actually outperforming the
cost of capital by a 34% margin.
So this big idea is not that
complicated. It's if I have something if
I have digital gold and it's it's
deflationary, the difference between 2%
and 0% is going to give you the 48%
instead of the 14%. So if I have a
deflationary digital gold like Bitcoin,
then I can capitalize and I can even
leverage the company on it.
What else could you capitalize on? You
could capitalize on actual gold or real
estate. People tried to capitalize on
gold. didn't work so well for a bunch of
reasons. But, you know, you can see at
the end of the day, there's not enough
juice in it to make it worth the
trouble. And real estate underperforms
the S&P.
Bonds don't work.
Art not going to work. You need a
commodity or a property to capitalize
company.
So, uh, Bitcoin is a breakthrough
because it's a commodity, but it's also
a scarcity. You can design a commodity
that inflates 10% a year. is still a
commodity. It's an asset without an
issuer.
But but Satoshi's genius is designing a
commodity that's an asset without an
issuer that inflates 0% a year and the
limit is t goes to infinity,
right? Dogecoin is inflationary, by the
way. If you guys like Dogecoin, they add
like five million or 5% a year or
something like that. It's not quite a
percent, but it's it's inflationary over
time. So this chart tells you everything
you need to know. In fact, this chart is
pretty much the macroeconomic
map for the last five years. And what it
tells you is if you're capitalized on
bonds, you're in deep trouble. That's
why Silicon Valley Bank went bankrupt.
That's why all the banks were
technically insolvent because they're
just awful investments. And you can see
that the secret to MSTR's performance is
we fund at the cost of credit or the
cost of equity which is somewhere
between six and 14% and then we invest
at 48%
and then our equity then is able to
outperform Bitcoin.
Um we've grown through a number of
cycles.
You know, first we used cash flows, then
we used senior debt, then we used
convertible debt. At one point we use
some asset back debt. And eventually we
realized that the best sort of
amplification for the equity was
preferred shares that are perpetual to
never come due because that strips all
the credit risk. You know, senior debt
doesn't work because you have EVA
covenants. Asset back debt doesn't work
because you get margin called. uh
convertible bonds worked to the you
know10 billion dollars worth of it but
at some point you outstripped the
convertible bond market and uh all of
those are examples of using credit as a
tactic
to support the equity. So the first four
years of our company the equity was the
product and the credit was the tactic.
When you're issuing 144A debt
instruments that's a tactic to juice
your equity. What happened in 2025 is we
realized that we should create a credit
product and the credit became the
product not the equity. The equity
became the byproduct of selling the
credit. We inverted the entire business
model and strife stretch stream strike
and stride at the bottom. Those are
products. They're credit products sold
to the general public that then that in
themsel have the value and the equity uh
is imbued with value because of the
credit instruments.
And this picture helps a little bit more
than this that what is the treasury
business model? It's it's simple. I
raise capital. I buy digital capital. I
strip the risk, the volatility, the
delta and the duration off the capital.
I transform it into the currency of your
choice and I give you the pure yield.
I give you a credit spread above the
risk-free rate. So what you can see here
is the Bitcoin is about a 48% annualized
yield.
It was a rolling 38 V, but call it call
it like a 40% yield, 40% AR, 40 V type
instrument. If you walk down the street
and you ask the average person, do you
want to put your life savings into that
instrument? The answer is generally no.
If they spend a 100 hours or a thousand
hours, they get convicted.
And if they don't need the money for
four years, then that money they don't
need for four years after they spend a h
100red hours, they might put some of
that into Bitcoin or all of that. That's
the Bitcoin community. But as you can
imagine,
you're not going to sell a product to a
billion people if it takes a 100 hours
to understand it. And if they can't use
it for four years, right? I have a
beautiful car. You can't drive it for
four years. There's a 100 hour course
before you can buy it. But after four
years, it's going to be the best car
ever. That is not a consumer product,
right? That that's something different.
It's almost like a religious product.
But and if you go to Bitcoin
conferences, right, we're pretty f
fervent. We're pretty passionate. Um but
you can see what strategy is doing is
we're taking the capital and we're
stripping the risk in the va, extracting
the yield and selling it as a credit
instrument.
The first one was strike. It was
convertible preferred. And we gave you a
portion of the upside and we give you a
liquidation preference and we give you a
fat dividend. So it's like it's like a
Bitcoin fellowship, right? You'll get
some upside, you'll get paid a living
stipen while you wait and you get way
over collateralized and it's for someone
that kind of wants to have their cake
and eat it too, but doesn't want the
roller coaster. And uh so we did that
and that was a billion dollar idea. And
then we did Strife, STRF, and that was
10% dividend at par. And that was um I'm
just going to pay you 10% forever,
you know, and here's the other
interesting observation. You know, we
would like to have paid 5% instead of
10%, but we realized we'd have to pay
10% to sell the preferred. And then it
occurred to me that it's a lot better to
pay 10% forever than 5% on a 5-year
note. If you pay 5% on a 5year note,
you're like any of 50,000 other
corporate issuers. When you pay 10%
forever, you're the best. If the person
wanted to buy fixed income, so what
turned out to be the bug inverted to be
the feature. And that's actually the
theme of my entire presentation, which
is the bug of Bitcoin becomes the
feature. the bug of of uh digital credit
becomes the feature over and over again.
The bug of the business model becomes
the feature and that's the innovation
here. So
we um we did a few other deals. We did
stride where we stripped the cumulative
rate off of the instrument and it adds
about a 400 to 500 basis point credit
spread. So, you either get the 10% in
the investment grade bond-like
instrument or you get the 15% in the
equity-like instrument. And the truth is
the people that want the former don't
want the latter. And the people that
want the latter prefer the latter over
the former. And so we just tapped into
two different pools of capital there.
And um while we were working through
this,
we uh we tried to go do a deal in Europe
and we got styied by a regulator and we
were in a and we couldn't do something.
So I in the summer I thought what can we
sell in the US and and uh we thought
about selling a euro instrument on the
NASDAQ but the NASDAQ wouldn't list it
because they can't support foreign
currencies and then we thought about a
yen and we couldn't do that. So we
thought well what can we do in dollars
and we'd already done the long end of
the yield curve. We'd sold a 10-year
duration instrument. So I thought what
about a one-mon duration instrument and
we started thinking about an adjustable
var variable rate monthly preferred
stock and partly it was what could we do
or what we haven't done and then partly
it was people just want to get their
principle back and partly is they want
cash dividends.
So we started thinking about this
product stretch and and stretch became
the biggest piece of financial
engineering. stretches like kerosene
distilled from a barrel of crude oil.
It's just pure liquid energy. And um as
you can see the way the tower is working
right now is we've stripped the 38 to 28
to 21 to 16 in a 9vt. There is a
conservation of energy. There is no such
thing as a free lunch. That's the law of
thermodynamics. So if I make the
volatility go away from the credit, it
has to go somewhere. And so what it does
is it floats up to the equity and so
does the excess performance. So we end
up creating a highly volatile high
performance equity
by creating lower volatility lower
performance less risky credit
instruments. And the entire company's
reason for being is to actually take an
asset Bitcoin which is call it a 10-year
duration
instrument with 50 vol and 50 AR
and we carve out of that a one month
duration or one-year duration and we
carve out of that 10% ARR and we carve
out of that we strip 90% of the
volatility off or 90% of the risk off
and We offer that to a credit investor.
In the process of doing that, we
actually create Bitcoin per share. So,
we're creating BTC yield. We're adding
Bitcoin Satoshi's per share every single
time period
because when I sell a billion dollars
worth of credit and buy back a billion
of Bitcoin, I've issued no common stock,
but I have actually bought a billion of
Bitcoin. So, the equity gets uh gets
amplified.
And uh you can see here a snapshot of
the capital structure. In essence, with
$61 billion of Bitcoin uh value, we have
a bit of debt, 8.2 billion of
convertible debt from our fir our last
four year year period. We will equitize
that over time, but that's about 13% of
our hard assets. That means that Bitcoin
could fall 85%. We're still covered over
collateralized on the debt. But the more
interesting thing is that
the dividend payments represent 1.3% of
the net assets. So that means Bitcoin
has to appreciate 130 basis points a
year to cover the dividends forever.
There's perception that somehow this is
risky. But the bet that we're making is
we think Bitcoin will go up 1.3% a year
and if we're wrong in 77 years we have
to come up with a different idea, right?
I mean that's if we're wrong like
assuming Bitcoin goes up zero. Look, if
Bitcoin goes to zero tomorrow
immediately forever, then of course
that's that this is not going to work.
But but um the way the way the math
works is
you create shareholder value and you pay
the dividends forever if you get 130
basis points of BTC gain or or
appreciation. If Bitcoin appreciates
faster than the blended dividend rate,
the 10% or so, then you actually
outperform Bitcoin and with the equity.
So your two numbers are your minimum is
your creating value. The you know the
the 10% hurdle is you're outperforming
Bitcoin and at 0% in 77 years you run
out of money.
Um we just managed to get a credit
rating from the S&P. This is challenging
given the the Bosle accords Basel
framework valued Bitcoin is zero but as
Basil gets updated and it looks like
it'll get updated I think we'll move our
way up this credit stack.
Um the advantage of getting the credit
rating is it tripled the addressable
market for our credit instruments
overnight. So that was good. There's a
lot of people that that like digital
assets and believe in Bitcoin but they
couldn't buy without a credit rating.
And so this was very important to them.
And so now we get to the third part uh
digital credit.
Well, these are the products, right? Uh
what is what is strike? Well, it's got
an equity component. It's got an
effective yield and it's forex
overcolateralized.
What is stride? It's uh it's a long
duration high yield instrument. So it
has an effective yield of 14%
tax equivalent yield of 22. Why is it
tax equivalent yield of 22%. Because
it's a return of capital dividend, a
rock dividend. It means that it's tax
deferred until you've reduced your basis
to zero. So, one of the one of the
elegant things about digital credit is
they're all rock dividends if they're
issued by a treasury company.
Um, you can see what you're competing
against, but I think you guys know what
you can get in the market. Normal junk
bonds or private credit are half of
that.
Strife uh pays 9 9 and a half% even 10%
the tax equivalent yield is 15. It's the
most highly over collateralized. It's
the longest duration instrument
and stretch is treasury credit. So if
you think about if you were to say what
I think is the perfect product, the
perfect product is 600 to 800 basis
points of pure yield over the risk-free
rate in the currency of your liabilities
in a stable instrument. Like that's what
it's a high yield bank account. Uh who
wants that? Everybody wants that, right?
The only question is what's the catch?
And the catch is you have to believe in
Bitcoin. That's your first risk. And
then you have to trust the issuer.
Right? If you trust the issuer, you
believe in Bitcoin, then you're probably
going to ask, well, what is the V and
what is the liquidity to decide, can you
get 20 million in and out of it or is it
2 million in and out or 200,000 in and
out? But the idea of treasury credit is
a is just a fortunate serendipitous
discovery. We tripped over it. Uh nobody
in the history of the capital markets
has uh created a monthly variable rate
preferred stock. It's not that it's
illegal. It's not that you can't. The
security law let you do it. You can do
just about anything with a preferred
stock. It's just that no well-run
company ever thought to do it or had a
motive to do it or a reason to do it.
And so when you put together
digital capital with AI
with um a publicly listed preferred with
a shelf registration with an ATM.
Now you we blended all the best elements
of crypto and ETFs and public companies
and ATMs all of them together with a
digital distribution channel. And now it
seems like an a pretty obvious idea, but
um I can even say I don't think this was
developed over the weekend uh by me out
of uh frustration of not being able to
do anything else using an AI and if I
had not had an AI
and I hadn't had the other experiences
of having done strike and strife and
stride and done the and done the $30
billion of ATM revenue
and if I hadn't, you know, If it hadn't
all come together at the same time, we
never would have found this. So, it's a
it's it's a simple thing to do in the
year 2025 with all the right technology,
but in the year 2022
or 2019, it wouldn't never happen.
Uh, stream is the deal we did just two
weeks ago. It's basically a version of
Strife that's in euros, 100 euro par
value, uh, pays 10% at par. Um,
it turns out that that we were like one
of the first issuers of preferred stock
in Europe because most of the time fixed
income in Europe is hybrids. They're
bond instruments and they're bond
instruments because the companies that
issue them want to be able to deduct the
dividend or deduct the dividends as
interest because it's to their
advantage.
And here you stumble on a very another
theme which is most credit instruments
are issued to the benefit of the issuer
or they're crippled
because the credit is issued tactically
to fund a project, an automobile, a
building, a service, a stock buyback.
People are issuing credit
to uh to benefit the equity or the
product or the service.
Let me invert your worldview. What if
you issued the credit as the product?
What if the goal was I want to create
the best credit instrument for someone
to buy?
Well, for what purpose? Well, just to do
it. What are you going to do with the
money? I'm going to buy Bitcoin. Dean,
you've done that before. Yeah, 100 times
before. So, so what's the unique
project? There's no unique project. So,
what are you trying to do? I'm trying to
create the credit which is the best in
the world. So, now you invert. you're
like, I'm not going to the
credit. I'm actually going to make the
credit fly. I want to empower it.
So with Stretch, we created it. It came
out at 90 and it's it's on this path,
you know, to stabilize at 100, you know,
and we have a lot of tools to do it.
Partly time does it, partly as the AUM
grows, it gets stable, partly it's
marketing, partly we adjust the dividend
up. if it's weak and if it trades above
100, we can exercise the ATM to trim the
ball off the side. So, there's a lot of
things going on here as it approaches
par and stabilizes. But that's the first
uh four months.
So, this is our digital credit line and
what you can see is we kind of went from
a Z business to $7.6 billion business in
10 months.
Um, and I joke with people, you know, it
took me um, it took me a decade to come
up with a billion-dollar idea. I took
the company public. Then I spent 20
years trying to come up with the second
billion-dollar idea. I could not find
it. I tried 20 things. They all didn't
work.
And then the COVID lockdowns came and we
discovered digital capital and that was
the second billion dollar idea. And then
converts were the third billion dollar
idea. And then the ATMs were the fourth
billion dollar idea.
And that all happened over the next four
years. And then in 2025, we combined AI
with preferred with credit. And we came
up with Strike, Strife, Stride, Stretch,
and Stream. And it was literally a
billion dollar idea every eight weeks. A
billion dollar business, right? And so
and and so why we're combining digital
capital, digital intelligence to create
digital credit.
And what market are you targeting?
You're you're targeting the $300
trillion credit market. Um so what's
special about these things? Well,
they're the most liquid uh preferred
stocks in the history of the world,
right? You can see the liquidity which
started at 70 million and we're up to
like 387 million a week. And so they're
starting to trade insane volumes. The
normal preferred stock trades $100,000 a
day over the counter. The public listed
hybrid or preferred trades a million
dollars a day.
The first tries we had uh were trading
20 million or 30 million, 20 to 30x
that. And then stretch traded 100x that
and now it's moving to 200x that and
it's first year. So, we really have line
of sight to something that trades a
billion dollars a day.
And if you ask the average the average
salesperson in finance, what do you
think about preps? They think, well,
these these things are all kind of dogs.
They're boring.
They're complicated. I mean, it's it's
all kind of garbage. Like I I mean, I
think it's garbage. It's like you're
yielding 6% and it's issued by one in
5,000 regional banks. It's heterogeneous
credit. You don't have any bond
guarantees. The yield isn't that good.
It's over the counter traded. You can't
find it. You need a Bloomberg and a QIP
number to figure out what's going on.
It's it's almost like constructed to
make it difficult for people to buy it.
And um we uh and that's what happens
when you think the credit is the tactic
as opposed to the credit is the product.
Now I talked about serendipity. We kept
stumbling upon things, right?
Credit on Bitcoin is better, ATMs are
better, four-letter tickers are better,
shelf registrations are better. And then
and then we stumbled on the fact that
all of our dividends are taxfree,
tax deferred technically. When we pay
you the dividend, it's a return of
capital, which means if you're a retail
investor, you don't you don't pay city
tax, state tax, or federal tax on it.
You just reduce your basis.
So your your 10% is a 10% cash dividend.
How do you do that? Well, you have to
have negative earnings and profit. So as
a practical matter, no well-run bank can
do that. They're always going to be
taxable. No well-run company can do
that. You have to build a treasury
company from the beginning that was
never to generate earnings and profit in
order to do this.
So the bug becomes the feature.
Again, that's the theme. The bug is the
feature. You guys, how do you pay the
dividends? Well, you either issue, you
either sell the capital that you bought,
right? You buy Bitcoin at 10,000, it
goes to 100,000, you sell some of it,
you pay the dividend, that is a return
of capital. Or you sell the equity
backed by the Bitcoin and that is a
return of capital. And how long can you
do that? Well, you can do that forever.
What do you need? You need Bitcoin to go
up more than 130 basis points.
Is that sustainable? Of course it is.
Now, that has some profound
consequences.
The first is now you've got a path to
amplify your equity. Right? If you just
start selling, if you have 60 billion of
Bitcoin, you sell $6 billion of credit,
you've generated 10% yield and you've
generated amplification and you end up
accreating Bitcoin per share. So, you
just sell the credit in order to
outperform Bitcoin. It's pretty
straightforward thing.
But um I don't really want to talk about
the equity so much. The equity used to
be the product. Now the credit is the
product. I think the most interesting
thing is digital credit. So let's talk a
little bit about the theory of digital
credit.
Well,
digital credit is built on Bitcoin.
That's an appreciating asset. Mortgage
back credit is built on someone's house.
it's a depreciating house or commercial
credit or or it's backed by products and
services of a company. So, a lot of
collateral is depreciating, but Bitcoin
is appreciating.
When you're holding a billion dollars of
mortgage back securities that, you know,
you're backed by 8,000 loans, it's it's
heterogeneous. It's opaque. It's
discreet. When you're holding a billion
dollars of Bitcoin credit is backed by
Bitcoin. It's transparent. It's
homogeneous. Is it continuous? On our
website, we have our credit model. We uh
update it every 15 seconds. You can go
to the credit tab. You can type in the
ball volatility forecast. You can type
in your AI. You can type it. It loads
with the current V, the current price of
Bitcoin every 15 seconds. But you can
type in your own assumptions and it'll
spit out the credit spreads, the risk,
etc. You can't do that with commercial
credit, retail credit, credit card
credit. You can't do it with sovereign
credit. The credit risk on a you know
Ukrainian bond tends to discreetly
change depending upon the disposition of
politics in the war.
So the third the third big by the way
and each time we do something like that
we can pay a higher yield. So the reason
these digital credit insurance pay a
higher yield is because structurally
they're just better. Um, for example,
bank credit is a bank deposit. Bank
deposits are two-day loans. The bank has
to give you back your money in 48 hours
or 24 hours. If you want it back, it's
overnight money. Corporate debt is 3 to
5 year duration capital. So, what you
have is overnight money or short
duration capital in most credit
instruments. Um, they amplify risk. It's
kind of obvious. If I basically take $10
billion of bank deposits and then I
issue $10 billion of mortgages for 20
years, I have borrowed short, I have
lent long, that's why I get the run on
the bank. If I go into the repo market
and I borrow the money for two weeks or
a month and then I go and buy mortgages
or I lever up, that's what le she or
that's what Lehman Brothers did. You're
just borrowing short, lending long, you
blow yourself up. But the beauty of
preferred equity is first of all, it's
not debt, it's equity. is literally not
leverage. It never comes due. And so
equity mitigates risk. It doesn't
amplify risk. It's still credit.
It's equity credit, not debt credit, not
deposit credit. Most people think of
credit in the form of deposits. Those
companies in Europe, they want to issue
debt so they can get the tax treatment,
but they're actually making them
liabilities, not assets.
Well, we took it one step further. We
actually made the the equity uh
perpetual so it never comes due. You
could put call provisions and refinance
provisions in a preferred stock that
make it look shorter duration.
But if you want to invest the money in
Bitcoin forever, then you'd like to have
the money forever and then you match
your duration. So you've got an
indefinite duration liability and an
indefinite duration asset.
And then how do you make it better?
Well, you know, you hear a lot about
private credit. Private credit is
illquid, unbranded, local, and difficult
to access.
Public credit,
STRC, is public credit. It's got a
ticker. You can buy it in London or or
any stock exchange. It's branded. It's
got a happy name, Stretch. It's global.
It's easy to access. You can buy it on
Robin Hood. So it seems pretty clear
that the difference between JPM1972
QIP on a Bloomberg versus STRC
is night and day for the retail
investor.
And then you got the digital creation.
If you if you want to buy a billion
dollars of mortgage back securities at
3:55 in the afternoon on Thursday, how
do you create a billion dollars worth of
the loans?
like how much effort does it take to
issue a billion dollars worth of uh
commercial credit or retail credit or
mortgage back credit? It's a lot of
work. That's why there that that's why
there are 50,000 100,000 employees
working at a bank. There's a lot of
paperwork.
But in this particular case, if you want
to buy a billion dollars worth of
digital credit at 355, we literally
print the thing and then we hedge it out
that day. By 8 a.m. the next morning, we
have backed a billion dollars of credit
with another billion dollars of new
collateral and we're generating these
instruments digitally in real time.
And that is a that's a big breakthrough,
right? I mean that you don't see that
with other forms of credit. And then uh
the last big breakthrough is their rock
dividends.
And uh return of capital dividends.
They've been around since 1910. Uh you
see them used by real estate companies,
oil pipeline companies, master limited
partnerships, REITs sometime sometimes.
But but normally you're limited to 3,
four, 5% dividend and you're capped out
by your amount of capital you can
depreciate. And it's very difficult to
scale those things. No one's ever
created a 10%
uh dividend paying preferred that was a
rock dividend. And and they've
definitely never figured out how to pay
a hundred billion dollars of them.
And so what's really interesting here is
this treasury model which is the capital
is raised tax deferred, the earnings are
generated tax deferred, the dividends
are paid tax deferred. The entire
thing's a massive flywheel. It's the
most taxefficient way to generate fixed
income in the world. And I think that
the profound insight we had and really
this is an aha moment over the past 12
weeks is that we inadvertently created
the most taxefficient generator of fixed
income in the world. Like uh there's no
one else that's going to tell you they
can pay billions of dollars a year worth
of dividends that are all returns of
capital.
So the company is a digital credit
factory. If you understand swaps, if you
ever traded interest rate swaps or any
kind of swap, what's going on here is
we're giving credit investors a USD
yield and we're swapping that into a BTC
yield for the equity investor.
The equity people want to outperform
Bitcoin. The credit investor wants to
outperform the money market. And so, how
do you do that scalably with no credit
risk? You need to do it with a perpetual
preferred equity publicly listed, right?
There are other ways to create that
swap, but if it's not publicly listed,
you have redemption risk. You have all
sorts of other uh scalable problems. And
so we figured out a way to create
scalable swaps. And we can do it in US
dollars, we can do it in euros, we could
do it in any currency in theory. It just
happens probably the most important ones
are the are the top ones.
You can quantify the value of return of
capital dividends. You know, if you're
holding the instrument for 10 years and
you're a retail investor, you get 644%
more money if you're using rock
dividends or receiving them than if
you're a taxpayer in California, for
example,
owning a money market. And so, if we
boil down the opportunities,
this is a a snapshot of uh stretch yield
versus other credit instruments in the
US market. And you can see what's going
on here is we're paying two and a half
times as much as a money market, but
we're paying four times as much on a tax
equivalent basis if you're if you're a
Florida resident. If you're a New York
resident, it turns out that um we're
paying five times as much, right? If you
live in New York City, it's it's like a
bank account that yields 22%.
If you live in uh San Francisco, like
21%.
So, you can see the competitor is the
money market. The money market has one
advantage. It's very low volatility and
it's very and it's well distributed
and uh what we're offering is something
which is just four times better if you
can get over the risk.
This is what stream looks like in Europe
there. The 10-year rate is 260 basis
points. We're paying 12 a.5. The money
markets pay 1 and a.5% taxable. Tax
equivalent yield there is nearly 20%.
And now that's what it looks like to
someone in Vienna. Think about that. a
bank account that pays you 27.8% in
Vienna versus what the bank actually
pays, which is nothing. So, this is new,
but you look at it, you're like, well,
what's the catch? It's like,
do you trust Bitcoin? Do you trust the
issuer? Right? We're you can see we're
on an evangelical
campaign. We need to we need to preach
the merits of digital credit. If you
look across all those credit
instruments, what you can see is they're
all twice as good as private credit.
They're like four times or five times as
good as money markets. They're 10 times
as good as European money markets,
right? What what's the monetary
revolution? It's um why don't we give a
billion people a bank account that pays
10% tax deferred, right? Uh it doesn't
take a 100 hours to figure that out.
And here's a snapshot of currencies in
the world. You see the US has actually
got the highest risk-free rate. But look
at Singapore 140 basis points.
Japan 50 basis points. So what's the
travesty? The travesty is somebody in
Japan's collecting nothing on their life
savings and they could be collecting
10%.
Right? That's the travesty.
So all told, when you put these
together, like if what you want is
enhanced exposure to cap digital capital
and digital credit and you're an equity
investor and you can handle long time
frames and a lot of volatility, you
would buy our equity. If you don't trust
anybody and you want to just invest in
digital capital with no counterparty
risk, just buy Bitcoin.
If you want a blend of both, you buy the
convert. If you want maximum cash flows,
you buy that high yield junior
instrument. If you want the highest
seniority, you take the senior
instrument. And if you just want
stability and you want a high yield bank
account, you buy the treasury
instrument.
And if you don't know what you want, you
want stretch, right? If you don't know
what you want, this is this is 15
seconds.
That's the offer. That's the product.
I have spent the last five years giving
hundreds of hours of talks about
Bitcoin. Trust me, it takes a long time
to get Bitcoin. But again, Bitcoin is
the perfect product as long as you don't
need to use it for four years.
And this is the product for someone that
needs their money back in four weeks
that has a short attention span. And at
this point, you know, we're stretches
one basis point, 1% of 1% of the
treasury market in the US. So if we can
be 1%, it could be 100 times as big. It
could be a $300 billion
aum if we just get to 1% of the treasury
market. And that is uh the campaign. So
with that, I want to thank you all for
your time and your attention. I
appreciate it.