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The Rise of Man through the Dark and Steel Ages | The Saylor Series | Episode 2 (WiM002)

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they're dominating because they're able

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deliver force

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faster harder stronger smarter

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so if we ask the question what is money

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money is the highest form of energy that

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human beings can channel

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bitcoin

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is channeling human ingenuity

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into making it better

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and and every commodity is channeling

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human energy into making it worse the

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lowbrow or the

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the historic

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colloquial term is total right hold on

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for dear life or just total or save

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whatever and the highbrow term would be

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adopt as a treasury reserve essay

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[Music]

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hey guys this is robert breedlove and

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welcome to episode two of the sailor

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series on the what is money show

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so in episode one

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uh we covered the rise of man

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through the stone and the iron ages so

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we went into

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ancient technologies we talked about

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fire we talked about missiles and we

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talked about hydraulics facilitated by

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water

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and now in this episode

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we're going to go a little further

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in the historic arc of man and we're

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going to get into the dark ages

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we're going to learn

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how missing one key step along the path

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of civilization can actually cause us to

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slide backwards and to regress

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and that civilization is it's not a

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guarantee right it is something that

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must be

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continually pushed forward and

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maintained across time

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and um

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we'll also get into how humanity

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re-emerge from the dark ages

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into the

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the ultimately into the industrial age

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and the steel age

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uh which enabled a lot of very important

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technologies like cities

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and aviation and railroads things of

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this sort so

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we're going to

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touch on again

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the benefits that are offered by

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standardization uh and also the benefits

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of protocols similar to the ones we

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talked about

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in ancient roman times earlier

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and how the economic benefits

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of these standardizations to one

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language

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or one protocol actually

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accretes to civilization so these cost

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efficiencies accrete to us

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um in the form of being able to satisfy

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wants

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faster cheaper and better

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and that's actually

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the force that drives civilization

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increases

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both economic and network density for

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mankind

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we're also going to talk about how

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violence and monopolization have shaped

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the course of history

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how violence has been used to extract

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rents and taxes

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um how gatekeepers have influenced the

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course of history

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and how monopolies have have developed

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uh in both a natural and an unnatural

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way and then we'll also talk about

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packaged foods

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uh how much of an influence that had on

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civilization

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enabling us to store energy in a

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leak-proof container

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and also how

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mankind's

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ability to eradicate some infectious

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disease diseases

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was such a huge boon to humanity uh in

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terms of increasing life expectancy

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um and quality of life overall

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and again the

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the general aim of this is to

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construct a solid

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intellectual foundation on which to

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understand

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the profound impact that we believe

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bitcoin will have on the world

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you can think about bitcoin as sailor

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refers to it

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as an engineering breakthrough and that

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for the first time in history

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we have a technology

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that is able to store

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the energetic life force that money

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represents uh again we can think of

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money

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as a claim

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on all other sources of energy in the

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world right whether it's capital

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chemical energy

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kinetic energy

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food energy all these types of energy

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money acts as a kind of meta energy

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and we've never had a monetary

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technology

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that was totally leak proof and that it

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did not lose value over time so

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hopefully by drawing analogies to these

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very important innovations across

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history um you'll start to have a

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an emerging realization of the the the

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real importance and significance of

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bitcoin so with that let's jump into

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episode two and at the end of this i'll

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do a little outro to hopefully

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synthesize some of these ideas all right

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thanks

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we have the rise of man through the

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stone age and it took quite a long time

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but we got here that's impressive

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we have the roman

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the roman rise

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we saw

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a sophisticated society mastering energy

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networks logistics networks advanced

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tools political processes

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in order to

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in order to dominate

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their sphere of influence

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and um

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by the age of the antonines

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around trajan hadrian marcus aurelius

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those are like 100 years it's a golden

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age of rome and

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that's like 90 80 to 180 a.d

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the average life expectancy of a roman

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is 72.

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and so if you're you've got baths you've

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got writing you've got civilization

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you've got sanitation you've got

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aqueducts you've got roads

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they've got stuff pretty well organized

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some sophisticated machines

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and then of course we take a a hard

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left turn

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into the dark ages and stuff just starts

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to break down

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it's a reminder that if you

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that nothing is certain if you miss a

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key insight

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you could

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waste a thousand years

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um stuff could have happened different

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way it didn't

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for example

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let's take the printing press

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the chinese developed printing presses

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way back 2 000 years ago

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they never really thought to

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commercialize them

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and uh the chinese alphabet is a

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pictographic alphabet and so you

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wouldn't need 25 000 different uh type

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pieces in order to have like movable

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type and a printing press

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and so they had the wrong language

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to develop printing presses the romans

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had the roman alphabet which is an ideal

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language because you could actually

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print anything with just like

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26 or 50 pieces of movable type

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and they had all the knowledge but for

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some reason they just stare anybody

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could have figured it out robert like

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all you got to do is walk in your boots

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through the mud and step on a nice floor

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and look down

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there's the idea for a printing press

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tracks in the mud

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right they had paint

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they had dyes and you know they're

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they're just oh so close and then

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they don't hit it and

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we wait until whatever 1453 or something

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for gutenberg

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to work this out and we're gonna suffer

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for a thousand years

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um it's amazing to me how

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certain things can be just right in

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front of a civilization and they just

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won't grab them like

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if you go

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if you go to saint peter's square to the

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vatican and you look at that uh column

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that was

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i think that used to be tr it's now

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saint peter's column but it used to be

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trajan's column

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and trajan's calling was put up you know

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on the

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you know as a to celebrate the triumph

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of trajan and his wars

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and um

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it's a um it's a bass relief a marble

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relief of the dacian wars and it wrapped

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spirals up the column

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had a little staircase in the middle of

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it a work of art an architecture and at

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the top

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eventually the roman catholics put the

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statue of saint peter

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i guess

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and uh in the ancient roman times that

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had trajan statue on it

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and trajan is standing there in his

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imperial robes

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and he's holding his hand up in the air

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and do you know what he's holding in his

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uh i i don't know

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he's holding

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the world

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and it's round robert

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the globe in his hand

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and this is 100 a.d

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fast forward 1400 years and people think

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the world is flat

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it's like

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knew the world was not flat

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right and if they hadn't ripped his

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statue off the column

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a thousand years earlier or whenever

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they ripped it off

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and buried it somewhere they would have

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known the world was round and it's just

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it's so ironic

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that you could learn and then forget

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such a basic

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thing right right so there is the

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possibility of significant

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civilizational regression

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if we ignore those learnings that we've

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accumulated over time

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yeah you can go backwards and you think

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well we've got it and if we do this

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we're going to leap forward

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into a new progressive error but if we

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kill it at a pivotal point maybe people

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forget it ever existed like letting that

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fire go out yeah i'll tell you another

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one that blows my mind

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if you go to the um

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museum of uh of the native american

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indian

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or native american in washington dc

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and you walk around you see

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there's an entire civilization i mean

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they're pretty much hunter-gatherers

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and if you want to understand how

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hunter-gatherers lived i mean the

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american and native americans the way

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they were when the europeans showed up

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in america is probably your best proxy

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what uh what the

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what the paleolithic man was i guess

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but amongst all the artifacts they

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gather if you walk around you eventually

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a pottery wheel

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and the pottery wheel it's a wheel and

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stone

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and it's

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got a beautiful piece of pottery

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and the sign says

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glowingly yeah

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native americans had very sophisticated

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pottery and they knew how to mold clay

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and they used this pottery wheel to do

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and i looked at the wheel

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and i think

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for 5 000 years

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nobody in the entire continent thought

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to take the wheel and turn it this way

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and roll it right

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like they knew a wheel they knew wheel

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was useful

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i give you the wheel robert but they

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never invented the wheelbarrow they

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never invented the wagon there's no

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rolling stock anywhere in america

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incredible

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and you know and so you're like think

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about the consequences

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that insight like

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how is it possible that not a single

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person the entire continent ever thought

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they might want to turn the wheel

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this way

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right

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but it's such a profound idea

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and yet you can go a thousand years and

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not get that idea

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do you think there's any modern

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examples that jump to mind that

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something that's maybe glaring at us

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in the modern age that we're ignoring or

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something that maybe we've forgotten or

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we're not we're no longer respecting

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robert

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the blockchain and bitcoin is a wheel

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it's uh i can use this stuff if i turn

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it this way you know

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is i i take a couple of

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they're not complicated ideas you know

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public

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pretty good privacy public private key

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encryption

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hashing

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you know like

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no one of them on its own i mean they've

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all been sitting there and someone says

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well what if i just

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do that with it and i start this fire

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and it's i rub two rubbed two sticks

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together

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i just never think to rub two sticks

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this calls to mind your example of the

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roman hierarchy as well that because

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everyone knew they were being watched

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right it maximized their accountability

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and therefore their their performance

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and competence the bitcoin network's

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sort of the same you have all the nodes

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and miners looking at one another's

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activity to make sure everything's above

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board all the time right it's

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instantly auditing itself constantly in

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real time and you and you could say

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right the romans were healthy as long as

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they kept

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tension

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and um

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dynam dynamism and cap and this

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incredible competition

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in their ecosystem and when they lost it

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they lost their edge

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and then

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you know when you look at the classic

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guns germs and steel

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type narratives like the europeans

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they got hardened and tougher because

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they were always fighting with each

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other and living with your animals made

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you tougher and having people come

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through from asia made you tougher and

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you know

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and uh as soon as you try to insulate

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yourself from those stressors

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right then your

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stabilization

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forgets how to do things right

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never figures it out right celeb calls

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the stressors are the information right

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so you're actually cutting yourself off

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from the information flow that's driving

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your adaptation

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so one way or the other we meander

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through that but it strikes me that

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didn't have to last as long as it did

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you know

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life expectancy plunges down to 30 years

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from 72 years

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and in a world without technology if you

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don't have

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aqueducts and

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sanitation and and rules like don't

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bring your horse into the middle of the

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village because he's gonna crap all over

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everything and going to get sick right

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in the absence of all those those

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orderly rules

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then you um you have just a degradation

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of the human condition

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and we started to crawl out with the

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renaissance and

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you know

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what's interesting there

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i think is um

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if you look at all the great

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cities

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in the world

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all the great cities grew as nexus as

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the central node of an empire

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rome was the nexus of an empire

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carthage was the nexus of an empire when

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they lose their empire

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they collapse

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the only way

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you generate enough money

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to make a great city

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is you have to scrape a tax

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off of all the energy all the commercial

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value in a large

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place a fisherman cast a wide net to

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capture the fish that's your empire

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the roman

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the roman schtick was

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you know pay us 10 when it comes into

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rome and 10

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when it goes into the next port and

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we'll take 20 percent of the value added

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or maybe 30 to whatever we're going to

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take right

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if you go into venice

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and you look around the grand canal you

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see all these palazzos they're all just

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uh warehouses i bring a ship into venice

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i offload my cargo and then it goes out

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the back and it gets barged up and down

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the canal and it gets transshipped to a

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new ship

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in that world each ship ran this route

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venice alexandria was one trade route

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venice the rome is another trade route

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venice distant ball is another trade

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route you're you're at the nexus

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you're running these shipping networks

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and of course you got to bribe the guy

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in istanbul or maybe you know your son

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marries

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his daughter

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and that's how that's how you get to

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come in and out of istanbul without

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getting murdered or getting your stuff

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stolen

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you know and eventually all the families

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in venice intermarry like

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you know i know you you're my second

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cousin that's how we don't cheat each

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other

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and um

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there's no way

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you can't solve the traveling salesman

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problem there's no way i can take a ship

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from istanbul to alexandria

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to venice

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to rome

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you know to um

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uh ibiza wherever i would go

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right barcelona

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because

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i would basically get over taxed or

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extorted

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in each port unless i actually was

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you know

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friendly right right so the way that

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works is you have a hub and spoke system

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there's always one central city

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and there's always one set of families

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or companies and they enter mary and

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they trust each other and they just

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agree

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i'm going to buy wheat for a nickel or

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for a dime in alexandria

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i'm going to bring it to venice and i'm

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going to sell it to you for 50 cents

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you're going to take it to barcelona and

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sell it for a dollar

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or and you're going to pay and you're

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going to pay a nickel and tax to the guy

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on the other and

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you know you're going to get your 45

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cents i'm going to get my 45 cents those

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guys paying a dollar these guys got paid

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a nickel we can play with what's the

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markup right it might be i buy it for a

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quarter seller for 50 and you sell it

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for 75 to the dude that sells it for a

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dollar

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but invariably

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it's the people at the center of the

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network

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that are actually getting 10 20 30 50 of

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all the commerce right which is all the

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energy

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now and what's the definition of a

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smuggler

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or you know that or a pirate the

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definition of a smuggler is someone that

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doesn't want to give me half their stuff

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right

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how do i stop that i have to have a navy

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that goes to kill them

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so you have the carthaginian navy

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stopping smuggling so they can tax half

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the stuff and that's why romans can't

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carthago delinda s right is it like is

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it like uh

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20 the elder or or cato i forget which

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one said in every speech he gave in the

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senate for 20 years carthago delinda s

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carthage must be destroyed

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because two people can't shake down the

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same guy of half his stuff there's

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nothing left

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if i take half your stuff as a tax i

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can't you know it's like the tax wars

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yeah yeah indians are taxing the

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shippers and the romans want the money

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so therefore the romans must defeat the

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carthaginians

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now the romans tax you then they fall

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and the venetians rise now the venetian

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navy controls the men

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then you've got uh you know you ever go

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to venice there's this great um

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renaissance painting the battle of

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lepanto

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and the battle of ponto is when the king

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of spain

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allies with the pope from rome the head

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of the roman catholic church and with

0:21:05

the doge of venice

0:21:07

and those three navies

0:21:09

fight

0:21:11

the uh turks

0:21:13

the the the invading muslims from

0:21:15

istanbul and they beat them

0:21:18

and and it's the triumph of christendom

0:21:22

but it gets you thinking about why why

0:21:24

were they all killing each other in the

0:21:26

first place over the med and you realize

0:21:28

it's because they're fighting over

0:21:29

control of the mercantile network

0:21:31

right and then the next interesting

0:21:33

observation is

0:21:36

you've heard the name the word roman

0:21:38

catholic church right

0:21:41

you ever heard the phrase venetian

0:21:42

catholic

0:21:47

i don't think so

0:21:47

there was a time

0:21:49

when the venetians

0:21:51

terminated the catholic church

0:21:53

in venice

0:21:55

the catholic church in the entire

0:21:57

venetian empire didn't terminate with

0:22:00

with the pope in rome it terminated

0:22:02

with the doge in venice and

0:22:05

and so

0:22:06

that means all tithes right

0:22:10

all do

0:22:11

goes to venice and stops

0:22:15

you can't have an empire

0:22:17

unless the person at the top of the

0:22:19

empire is also in control of the

0:22:21

religion

0:22:22

because if you don't control the

0:22:24

religion then someone else takes half

0:22:27

your money you see

0:22:28

it's all it's all about energy flow

0:22:31

right

0:22:32

and the energy is flowing

0:22:33

by the way

0:22:35

the pontifex maximus

0:22:37

originally refers

0:22:40

uh to the to the roman consul

0:22:43

to the head of rome

0:22:45

augustus caesar was the pontifex maximus

0:22:48

so the romans had it eventually

0:22:51

the um the high priest

0:22:53

right

0:22:54

so the high priest

0:22:56

the roman consuls were the high priest

0:22:58

of rome for 700 years if you're elected

0:23:00

general you're also the priest you run

0:23:02

all the religious ceremonies they didn't

0:23:05

separate those two

0:23:06

and so so the church and the mercantile

0:23:10

empire and the power of tax

0:23:12

migrates from rome

0:23:14

to venice

0:23:17

when did venice start to decline

0:23:20

when they lost control of the of the

0:23:22

church

0:23:25

at the end of the day they start sinking

0:23:27

because you can't afford to maintain

0:23:31

those buildings

0:23:32

you know you can't afford to maintain

0:23:34

hundred story buildings in manhattan

0:23:36

unless you're at the center of a

0:23:37

financial empire right i have to

0:23:40

basically buy your bonds for 68 cents on

0:23:43

the dollar and sell them

0:23:45

at uh 82 cents on

0:23:47

cut the difference right

0:23:49

you know there are a lot of securities

0:23:51

in on wall street where there's only two

0:23:53

market makers

0:23:54

there's the one bank and the other bank

0:23:57

and they trade with each other

0:23:58

and if you're buying you're buying at

0:24:01

the bottom or you're buying at the top

0:24:03

of the spread and you're selling at the

0:24:04

bottom of the spread and the spread is

0:24:06

two percent robert

0:24:08

and so

0:24:09

if i turn over a billion dollars worth

0:24:12

of bonds

0:24:13

i'm paying 20 million dollars in

0:24:15

commissions

0:24:17

and there's a monopoly there

0:24:19

and the 20 million dollars is just

0:24:20

flowing into what it's flowing into the

0:24:22

building

0:24:24

you know and my buddy works for that

0:24:26

bank and i work for this bank and we

0:24:28

drink together and

0:24:30

and we just kind of joke about the 200

0:24:32

basis point spread

0:24:34

interesting so it's these groups sort of

0:24:37

competing to be the head gatekeeper in a

0:24:40

way right

0:24:41

but to preserve that gatekeeping it's

0:24:43

intimately connected to the church

0:24:45

control of religion i guess you might

0:24:48

so does this somehow connect

0:24:51

uh the the actual connections between

0:24:53

money and religion like even today we

0:24:55

have in god we trust on the us

0:24:58

it takes us to the reformation

0:25:01

by the way if you go to amsterdam

0:25:02

amsterdam is the city of canals it's a

0:25:05

big distribution if you've ever seen a

0:25:06

distribution center

0:25:12

trucks come in one side it goes through

0:25:14

a very complicated set of conveyors and

0:25:16

it goes out the other side these trucks

0:25:18

come from the manufacturers those trucks

0:25:20

go to the stores or the locales and this

0:25:23

this distribution center is

0:25:25

uh a we a maze of conveyors

0:25:29

amsterdam's that but it's that for

0:25:31

barges before we had machines

0:25:33

that's what venice is

0:25:35

that's what every that's what every

0:25:37

great mercantile that's what uh they did

0:25:40

in every mercantile center and

0:25:43

when you get to

0:25:44

you know martin luther's time

0:25:46

you realize one of the key drivers is

0:25:49

there's

0:25:50

there's no way that we can rise

0:25:55

or or elevate our civilization if we

0:25:57

have to send all of our money to rome

0:26:01

right right you see this struggle

0:26:03

with throughout medieval history william

0:26:06

the conqueror had that struggle you see

0:26:08

the struggle of the of the northern

0:26:10

europe uh your northern european uh

0:26:13

german nobles and then of course it

0:26:15

punctuates itself with henry viii

0:26:17

who eventually forms the anglican church

0:26:19

so he can be the pontifex maximus

0:26:22

and if uh the church terminates with the

0:26:24

king of england they don't have to ship

0:26:26

any money

0:26:27

you know down to italy nor do they have

0:26:29

to ask permission to to change their

0:26:32

alliances and get married and do what

0:26:34

they will

0:26:35

it's useful to have god on your side

0:26:38

it's always been useful and so that

0:26:40

drives a lot of stuff throughout the

0:26:43

renaissance and it drives the you know

0:26:46

you can say

0:26:48

you can say that northern europe broke

0:26:52

from the roman catholic church for

0:26:54

religious reasons or you could say the

0:26:56

northern european powers to be created

0:26:59

the religion

0:27:01

for political reasons to an economic

0:27:03

reason to break off from the roman

0:27:05

catholic church

0:27:06

but either way you know

0:27:09

it's it's kind of a triumph of history

0:27:10

that everybody's forgotten that there

0:27:12

used to be lots of

0:27:13

why they call it roman catholic if there

0:27:15

weren't other catholics

0:27:17

how many different branches of the

0:27:18

catholic church you think there were

0:27:21

a thousand

0:27:23

there could have been a lot they just

0:27:24

kind of coalesced over time but here's

0:27:27

the general principle

0:27:29

everywhere on earth where you see a big

0:27:33

it was the center of an empire

0:27:35

paris london

0:27:37

hong kong

0:27:38

new york

0:27:39

venice rome

0:27:41

everywhere you and by the way everywhere

0:27:44

where you see a city that's fallen upon

0:27:46

hard times

0:27:48

it's been destroyed

0:27:50

it's empire lapsed

0:27:52

carthage

0:27:54

right

0:27:59

you could name them on and on and on

0:28:00

venice

0:28:01

had an empire lost an empire

0:28:04

and that's because

0:28:06

you can't physically create this kind of

0:28:09

economic density

0:28:12

you go to paris and you look at

0:28:14

the cathedral of notre dame and you look

0:28:16

at how much human effort went into

0:28:18

creating notre dame

0:28:21

there are people

0:28:22

that are selling

0:28:24

postcards and bottled water in the

0:28:26

shadow of notre dame cathedral

0:28:29

making money off of tourists

0:28:32

where the guys

0:28:33

inherited the concession from his

0:28:36

fathers fathers fathers fathers fathers

0:28:38

fathers fathers fathers fathers father's

0:28:41

father

0:28:42

and if you go back 10 generations

0:28:45

the concession was 700 years old

0:28:48

okay they're living off of

0:28:51

off of um

0:28:52

the vestiges of an empire

0:28:55

long past

0:28:58

now the question is

0:28:59

what are the empires of the future

0:29:02

where they form

0:29:08

and that takes us really to

0:29:08

the steel age

0:29:10

you know the 19th century the

0:29:12

the robber barons and the like and you

0:29:14

can see

0:29:15

with shipping networks

0:29:18

you know those canals gave way to free

0:29:20

ports and eventually gave way to

0:29:22

container ships

0:29:23

and container ships totally remade

0:29:26

everything and they and they shifted

0:29:28

power to singapore and hong kong and

0:29:30

companies like maersk

0:29:32

and uh

0:29:33

ultimately it's a low energy it's a

0:29:35

componentized way to move things around

0:29:38

the most efficient way to move anything

0:29:40

on earth

0:29:41

is modern containers

0:29:43

by the way

0:29:44

the biggest range in technology and

0:29:47

servers today is containerized

0:29:49

software via kubernetes

0:29:52

and docker

0:29:53

which is the same principle as

0:29:56

put all your stuff in a container ship

0:29:58

and the container

0:30:00

goes on to a ship

0:30:02

they've got standard loading facilities

0:30:04

into a port

0:30:05

they've got standard

0:30:07

standard train

0:30:09

cars and standard trucks

0:30:12

everything standardized

0:30:15

and the cost of the cost and the

0:30:17

transparency of that was cut maybe by an

0:30:20

order of magnitude with that innovation

0:30:23

right

0:30:24

standardization once again all right

0:30:28

so what i do have a question about the

0:30:31

the in these empires that we've

0:30:33

discussed historically

0:30:39

ostensibly the purpose of an empire like

0:30:39

this is to basically

0:30:41

preserve the walls of the city protect

0:30:43

the peace

0:30:45

honor private property rights within

0:30:47

that dominion right enforce contract law

0:30:50

uh ensure that there's a non-violent

0:30:52

means for dispute resolution such such

0:30:55

that commerce can be conducted

0:30:57

uh fluidly

0:30:58

and i i and you you mentioned

0:31:01

the empires of the future it this is

0:31:03

something i think about a lot is that

0:31:04

we've always needed this monopolist on

0:31:08

violence

0:31:09

to sort of honor private property rights

0:31:12

within their jurisdiction

0:31:14

but another really interesting aspect of

0:31:16

bitcoin is that it's kind of it's the

0:31:18

first private property right

0:31:20

that is agnostic of government

0:31:22

completely right you don't need

0:31:24

government to enforce

0:31:26

the your right to your private keys it's

0:31:28

like holding physical gold or any other

0:31:30

beer instrument so i wonder how much

0:31:33

that plays into the the relevance of an

0:31:37

an empire in the historical sense kind

0:31:39

of going into the future

0:31:45

well i guess yeah traditional empires

0:31:45

are producing security

0:31:47

the number one export of the united

0:31:49

states is security like literally

0:31:56

i can i can live in miami beach and i

0:31:56

don't worry about someone

0:31:57

shooting me across you know the

0:32:00

intercostal waterway and if i was in

0:32:03

certain other parts of the world i'd

0:32:04

have to be surrounded by a hundred

0:32:05

bodyguards right so security they they

0:32:08

have that saying about genghis khan

0:32:11

they said when the mongols controlled

0:32:13

all of asia a virgin could have ridden

0:32:16

from one end of the empire to the other

0:32:18

with a pot of gold on her head and not

0:32:20

be molested

0:32:25

the mongols weren't screwing around

0:32:25

either

0:32:27

you intercept their mail

0:32:29

if anybody get anything gets stolen

0:32:31

anybody gets hurt they show up with an

0:32:33

impa with an army and they murder

0:32:36

everybody for 100 miles in every

0:32:37

direction kind of to make the point

0:32:39

don't f with the system right

0:32:43

now most of these empires they generally

0:32:45

provide this kind of security for their

0:32:46

citizens you know

0:32:48

not always for the

0:32:50

non-citizens or the aliens or the slaves

0:32:53

or the whatever whoever's

0:32:55

the underclass but but they do manage to

0:32:57

establish them

0:33:00

bitcoin is a security and bitcoin's

0:33:03

number one

0:33:04

its number one uh value proposition is

0:33:07

security

0:33:08

it's it's security of

0:33:11

of uh

0:33:12

energy

0:33:14

right if energy is

0:33:15

translated to money and money is

0:33:17

translated to bitcoin and it's stored in

0:33:19

the bitcoin network

0:33:21

you're securitizing your assets

0:33:24

you know in a cloud of behind a wall of

0:33:28

encrypted energy

0:33:31

in that regard

0:33:33

it provides an important right

0:33:36

and empowerment to the individual

0:33:39

it hasn't quite addressed the physical

0:33:41

security element right

0:33:43

when we actually come up with something

0:33:46

that will surround your person with a

0:33:48

field

0:33:51

of um

0:33:53

i guess uh i guess repulsive energy

0:33:55

you're you know

0:33:57

you're almost filled

0:33:58

yeah right then you will accomplish the

0:34:00

same thing in the physical domain

0:34:03

that bitcoin does in the virtual domain

0:34:06

but it's

0:34:09

but having um

0:34:11

if i secure your life force

0:34:14

right energy money

0:34:17

is energy

0:34:18

is life force is money is power

0:34:22

if i secure your power

0:34:28

that can be converted into into physical

0:34:28

security

0:34:30

either by allowing you to travel away

0:34:32

from the

0:34:34

we have the example

0:34:36

uh nazi germany in the 30s

0:34:40

all the jews had their money locked up

0:34:43

in germany and so

0:34:45

the way the system worked is is they

0:34:48

operated as bankers and they allowed

0:34:50

people to launder their money out of

0:34:52

germany and they would take a haircut

0:34:54

10 20 30

0:34:56

initially then 50 then 70 percent than

0:35:00

until pretty soon they were it was like

0:35:02

a 90 haircut to get your value out and

0:35:07

consequently um

0:35:09

people didn't want to leave

0:35:13

right

0:35:13

and so if you if you if you don't have

0:35:17

your monetary power or your assets

0:35:20

secured virtually

0:35:22

then your physical security is always at

0:35:24

risk because you can't leave nor can you

0:35:26

protect yourself right

0:35:27

you can't you can't pay for anything to

0:35:29

protect yourself

0:35:30

and you can't get out or you can't pay

0:35:32

to get out

0:35:34

you know you would think they're

0:35:35

probably

0:35:37

one of the most useful

0:35:39

or common or not

0:35:42

one of the compelling use cases of

0:35:44

bitcoin would be if i'm a refugee trying

0:35:46

to flee a war zone

0:35:49

because it's either that

0:35:51

or gold

0:35:52

and the problem with gold is

0:35:54

there's a lot of people with guns

0:35:56

they're going to take it from you

0:35:58

at least with uh bitcoin

0:36:01

you could pay the guy with the gun half

0:36:03

the money

0:36:04

when you started and the other half when

0:36:07

you got there

0:36:08

and the worst you can do is blow your

0:36:09

head off but he's not getting your money

0:36:11

whereas if you got gold he just blows

0:36:13

your head off takes the gold

0:36:15

yep so

0:36:17

so yeah i think it's second order

0:36:19

beneficial to physical security in a lot

0:36:21

of different ways and it makes the world

0:36:22

better but it's first order beneficial

0:36:24

to economic security

0:36:30

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0:36:32

if we uh if we think about the steel age

0:36:41

these rail networks are are are another

0:36:41

network to deliver

0:36:43

deliver

0:36:44

energy

0:36:46

faster

0:36:47

stronger

0:36:49

smarter

0:36:52

harder uh of course

0:36:55

at the at the nexus of every

0:36:56

transportation hub there's an economic

0:36:59

center so rail heads

0:37:01

uh if the great city isn't a port it's

0:37:03

at the center of a railroad juncture

0:37:06

and when you bring in a lot of times

0:37:08

sometimes they

0:37:09

at the center of the rail juncture you

0:37:11

can tax all the trains

0:37:13

so if uh goods come from spain and to

0:37:16

paris and they're going to germany

0:37:18

the french get to take tax right there

0:37:21

in paris the rail heads became a nexus

0:37:25

the other fascinating thing about the

0:37:27

railroads is they became really

0:37:28

instrumental to logistics movement of

0:37:31

armies and and they drove economic and

0:37:33

political power

0:37:35

and one

0:37:36

interesting example is

0:37:39

winston churchill when he was like 25

0:37:45

he wrote a book called the river war

0:37:45

before he was famous for anything in

0:37:47

fact he was quite the adventure he went

0:37:49

off uh to fight in

0:37:51

the war in the sudan

0:37:53

under kitchener

0:37:55

and uh the entire book is about the

0:37:58

british um

0:38:00

working to to win a war in the sudan and

0:38:03

they had to had to take khartoum and

0:38:06

it's like going a thousand miles up the

0:38:08

nile maybe 1500 miles up the hill across

0:38:11

desert

0:38:12

and you know and why would they want to

0:38:14

do it very interesting question but

0:38:17

here's the bottom line

0:38:19

the entire outcome of the war comes down

0:38:21

to the question can the british build a

0:38:23

railroad to cartoon

0:38:25

and if the british succeed in building a

0:38:27

railroad they win

0:38:29

and if they can't build the railroad

0:38:31

they can't provision the army and they

0:38:33

can't move their heavy equipment and

0:38:35

lose the war

0:38:37

the entire war it's called the river war

0:38:40

but it'll be called the railroad war

0:38:42

it's just about building a railroad

0:38:44

across a desert and

0:38:47

at the end of the day the

0:38:48

as soon as the railroad arrived a bunch

0:38:51

of guys with explosives and gatling guns

0:38:53

showed up

0:38:56

you know devastated everybody and it was

0:38:59

not a fair fight at all like gatling

0:39:01

guns versus guys with spears and musket

0:39:04

loaders and

0:39:05

it's kind of very unpleasant

0:39:08

you know and if you read it through the

0:39:09

modern view

0:39:11

you know it doesn't necessarily leave

0:39:14

you a good taste of your mouth but

0:39:16

it's a reminder that a lot of times the

0:39:18

difference between winning and losing

0:39:19

and living and dying is d of railroads i

0:39:22

got i think there's a similar story

0:39:24

in the american civil war

0:39:26

if you look at the way railroads

0:39:27

functioned and

0:39:29

even the conquest of the continent right

0:39:31

the union pacific railroad and

0:39:34

once the railroad crossed the continent

0:39:36

you know

0:39:37

manifest destiny

0:39:39

states was going to dominate without

0:39:41

that railroad

0:39:44

was it a thousand times more expensive

0:39:46

to move stuff over land right right

0:39:48

right right

0:39:50

you know google is um they're very good

0:39:52

at saying we don't do anything else

0:39:53

that's going to be 10x or 100x better i

0:39:55

mean so that's a silicon valley

0:39:57

trope

0:39:58

you know don't bother to do it unless

0:39:59

you're gonna have a breakthrough that's

0:40:03

and well all these things were 100x

0:40:05

better but a railroad we take for

0:40:07

granted it could be

0:40:09

i give you five tons of stuff carry it

0:40:11

from new york to california

0:40:13

count the amount of energy it's going to

0:40:15

take you now put it on a railroad car

0:40:17

try again

0:40:19

right you think that's not faster and

0:40:22

stronger thousand times faster

0:40:26

thousand times stronger something like

0:40:28

that orders of magnitude

0:40:31

and that takes us to john d rockefeller

0:40:33

right and before standard oil comes

0:40:36

along

0:40:37

people are actually

0:40:38

hunting whales they're getting in wooden

0:40:40

ships chasing around the ocean to kill a

0:40:42

whale

0:40:43

boil down his blubber make kerosene and

0:40:46

burn a lamp

0:40:47

no not a very efficient way to gather

0:40:49

energy

0:40:55

you know so then along comes oil and oil

0:40:55

is a thousand times more efficient way

0:40:57

to get energy and what standard oil was

0:41:00

it was first an energy producer but it

0:41:02

was also an energy storage device

0:41:05

is a battery

0:41:07

right because the best way to store

0:41:08

energy is put it in a tank

0:41:10

it was also an energy network

0:41:13

standard oil

0:41:15

they bought up all the they didn't

0:41:17

actually buy the fields they bought the

0:41:18

refineries

0:41:20

they refined the oil they stored the oil

0:41:23

they bought up all the tanker cars they

0:41:25

bought up all the tanker ships they

0:41:27

locked down all of the networks and they

0:41:29

basically had an energy network

0:41:31

they actually had guys

0:41:33

driving around with carriages to deliver

0:41:36

you know their energy to every single

0:41:38

retail store they had retail

0:41:40

distribution

0:41:41

they would even give away the furnaces

0:41:43

to sell the energy they did a jeff bezos

0:41:46

you know amazon prime

0:41:49

people think jeffy is invented he didn't

0:41:51

invent it if you read the you know the

0:41:53

biography of john d rockefeller

0:41:56

rockefeller invented it all

0:41:58

like he he did it all he gave away

0:42:02

you know the razors to sell the razor

0:42:04

blades

0:42:05

he's the first guy to realize that

0:42:07

by the way that

0:42:09

you have to form a cartel or you have to

0:42:11

form some kind of understanding of

0:42:13

scarcity if there's no scarcity there's

0:42:15

so much volatility

0:42:17

that um

0:42:19

the market is chaotically destructive

0:42:23

so you had the world's first serious

0:42:27

energy network there and such a powerful

0:42:29

network that a hundred years after

0:42:31

rockefeller's dead

0:42:32

those companies still are

0:42:34

worth a trillion dollars

0:42:36

right they're still instrumental yeah

0:42:39

what is it what does that mean that

0:42:41

you said that

0:42:42

rockefeller realized he had to institute

0:42:45

a cartel

0:42:46

in order to i guess impose scarcity on

0:42:49

the market such to offset volatility can

0:42:52

you can you elaborate on that booms and

0:42:54

busts like people would

0:42:56

well you talk about scarcity the problem

0:42:59

of using a commodity is money is when

0:43:02

the price goes up people produce too

0:43:03

much of it supply goes up yeah

0:43:06

well so

0:43:07

so he

0:43:09

it was a very inefficient industry with

0:43:11

massive volatility

0:43:14

and so he consolidated it to drop the

0:43:17

volatility

0:43:18

so that they could standardize every

0:43:20

component along the way

0:43:22

interesting

0:43:25

so that he could drive to a lower energy

0:43:27

level

0:43:28

right i mean a more efficient a more

0:43:30

efficient energy system

0:43:32

and um

0:43:34

and i mean ultimately right that

0:43:37

if you want to look at the human

0:43:38

condition

0:43:43

you know you ever get on one of those

0:43:43

rowing machines and you row as hard as

0:43:45

you can for an hour

0:43:47

you know

0:43:48

and you know

0:43:49

a kilowatt hour

0:43:55

hard to come by and then you start to

0:43:55

you start to think like if i rode all

0:43:58

day long and i was olympic

0:44:01

level rower i think the sum total of my

0:44:03

effort is like 29 cents

0:44:10

right if you calculate you know

0:44:10

the value of all of your human effort

0:44:12

and and uh modern energy cost

0:44:15

a quarter

0:44:17

nic some people couldn't do a nickel

0:44:19

worth of work

0:44:21

right and you think about where we got

0:44:24

to and we got through

0:44:25

to that uh by channeling this energy

0:44:29

and uh it must be again it's a thousand

0:44:32

x 10 000 x more energy

0:44:35

in fact just a general theme you see

0:44:37

everywhere where there's an explosion of

0:44:40

innovation and an explosion of vitality

0:44:44

somebody tapped into

0:44:46

a thousand x more energy or figured out

0:44:49

how to deliver the energy

0:44:54

you know oil was originally it was all

0:44:56

about uh kerosene and lighting and then

0:44:59

heating and then of course the

0:45:01

automobile shot it up by a factor of 10

0:45:04

and that was the killer app

0:45:06

um but

0:45:08

if you go on and to some other

0:45:11

industrial era robber baron type

0:45:13

networks here's an interesting one kraft

0:45:16

hershey's

0:45:18

and post cereal

0:45:24

they're technology companies people

0:45:24

don't think them as that

0:45:25

before they came along

0:45:29

there wasn't no breakfast

0:45:31

that people to eat breakfast

0:45:33

craft and posts figured out how to box

0:45:36

corn flakes and put it and what they did

0:45:38

is they stabilized food energy

0:45:43

and put it in a container

0:45:46

that didn't bleed the energy that didn't

0:45:48

leak energy

0:45:50

if i give you um

0:45:52

a bottle full of tomato sauce

0:45:55

and i just make it in my kitchen

0:45:57

and you put it in your refrigerator

0:46:00

it will spoil

0:46:02

over some period of time

0:46:04

how much well

0:46:05

there's bacteria in it

0:46:08

the the origin of branding

0:46:11

the craft brand the hershey's brand or

0:46:13

whatever brand

0:46:14

the origin of branding is i make some

0:46:17

i make it in a clean room hermetically

0:46:20

sealed

0:46:21

everybody has to clean up

0:46:23

scrub down sterilize get the bacteria

0:46:27

off i have machines

0:46:29

to uh to load the can to seal the can

0:46:32

to seal the bottle i stamp it with my

0:46:35

brand

0:46:36

the number one value proposition robert

0:46:39

wasn't it's good catch up the number one

0:46:41

or it's good tomatoes or good soup or

0:46:43

good whatever

0:46:44

the number one value proposition is it's

0:46:46

not going to kill you

0:46:52

don't you just yeah right

0:46:52

you ever actually make some leftovers

0:46:54

and leave it in your refrigerator for

0:46:55

two months and eat it

0:47:00

by the way here's a better one why don't

0:47:01

you make something in your kitchen

0:47:03

and then leave it in your closet for two

0:47:05

months without a refrigerator because

0:47:06

they didn't have refrigerators

0:47:08

frozen food came along later

0:47:11

and marjorie meriwether post became like

0:47:14

one of the richest women

0:47:15

of the century

0:47:22

a because her her father gave her post

0:47:22

cereal and they were able to stabilize

0:47:24

starch in a box at room temperature

0:47:27

and then b because she brought bought a

0:47:30

frozen the first frozen food company and

0:47:33

she realized the ability to actually

0:47:34

freeze food was going to be a game

0:47:36

changer

0:47:38

and before that no one ever frozen food

0:47:40

before you think they're not

0:47:41

technologists right

0:47:43

it's a food energy company

0:47:47

energy storage technologies right

0:47:50

i mean i mean you need energy and food

0:47:53

form a nutritional form to not die

0:47:56

right if i could store it now it's like

0:48:00

it's very interesting here right like

0:48:03

can i take electricity from detroit and

0:48:05

deliver it to you in san francisco today

0:48:14

can i deliver electricity

0:48:14

from detroit to grand rapids michigan

0:48:19

when it gets to you

0:48:21

how long can you store it in your

0:48:22

battery

0:48:24

it bleeds two percent a month

0:48:31

you'll probably lose it all in the year

0:48:31

can i ship food from detroit

0:48:34

to grand rapids yeah when it gets there

0:48:37

how long can you store it in your cellar

0:48:40

a day a week well if the answer is two

0:48:43

weeks there's no national business there

0:48:46

there's no national brand

0:48:48

the answer needs to be three months or

0:48:50

six months now there's a national brand

0:48:53

now it matters

0:48:55

so so these guys

0:48:58

that were launching these businesses

0:48:59

they were really launching clean room

0:49:02

manufacturing

0:49:04

plants

0:49:05

that uh captured energy or something of

0:49:08

value they cut they were store of value

0:49:11

robert

0:49:16

store of value that would not uh decay

0:49:16

or bleed due to bacterial

0:49:20

infestation or

0:49:22

spoilage

0:49:23

and because of that the brand became

0:49:25

important just like the standard brand

0:49:27

was important the kerosene is not going

0:49:28

to explode it's clean right

0:49:31

is the gasoline queen is the ketchup

0:49:33

queen you go to hershey's pennsylvania

0:49:36

they got a factory it's a work of art if

0:49:39

you you know

0:49:41

it's more complicated than most computer

0:49:43

programs

0:49:44

they wrote a computer program in steel

0:49:47

it's like

0:49:48

don't f that up right

0:49:51

there's no version two coming

0:49:53

write your program in an analog computer

0:49:56

welded in steel that takes up a football

0:49:58

field that's what they did

0:50:00

and in one end goes like milk and eggs

0:50:04

you know and

0:50:05

yeah oh and out the other end comes like

0:50:08

boxes of chocolate bars 50 000 an hour

0:50:12

it's not just they come out

0:50:14

perfectly uniform it's they come out

0:50:17

without bacteria in them and you can put

0:50:19

them on yourself

0:50:20

and they won't make your kids sick

0:50:22

right and and therein is the rise of all

0:50:26

those cpg companies

0:50:28

it's interesting i love the the

0:50:30

perspective you have on

0:50:33

all investment being an investment in

0:50:35

technology because that is what we are

0:50:37

doing right we are making tools

0:50:40

protocols technologies

0:50:42

that basically improve our productivity

0:50:45

and that's how we that's how we advance

0:50:47

is sort of layers of these innovations

0:50:49

on top of one another such that

0:50:51

basically every business is a technology

0:50:53

business i think that's a very unique

0:50:55

insight i'd never heard before and i

0:50:57

think the the other thing is

0:50:59

the interesting connection between this

0:51:01

hyper

0:51:02

sanitation right to really make sure

0:51:04

there's no bacteria or any

0:51:07

anything that could cause

0:51:09

harm to the user of energy which would

0:51:11

be the the eater of the food

0:51:13

how the the hyper sanitation is

0:51:16

connected to the preservation of the

0:51:17

food or the energy store

0:51:19

and that seems to somehow kind of mirror

0:51:22

bitcoin in a way that it's it's got a

0:51:25

hypersanitary ledger right there's never

0:51:27

any errors in the blockchain whatsoever

0:51:29

such that it preserves its sanctity

0:51:32

maximally across time like it's the most

0:51:35

uh the best

0:51:36

preservation technology of value because

0:51:38

there's no

0:51:39

uh detritus in it i guess you should say

0:51:41

the best branded asset

0:51:44

in the history of the world right

0:51:47

exactly maybe it's the first time

0:51:49

someone came up with a way

0:51:52

to cryptographically brand

0:51:55

a security

0:51:58

which is

0:51:59

an interesting

0:52:03

yeah now with regard to businesses

0:52:06

i would say

0:52:07

that all of the great businesses the

0:52:10

growth companies

0:52:12

were all technology companies

0:52:14

in their time and eventually

0:52:20

and almost by definition they stop

0:52:20

growing when they when they are no

0:52:22

longer cutting edge technology companies

0:52:24

right

0:52:25

there are other businesses that are more

0:52:27

like rent seeking businesses or their

0:52:29

concessions

0:52:31

the guy that sells bottled water in the

0:52:34

shadow of the notre dame cathedral

0:52:37

that's a business

0:52:39

it relies upon political largesse

0:52:42

you know

0:52:43

maybe maybe there's a real estate

0:52:45

business right

0:52:47

i own that real estate and then i sell

0:52:50

you water or lemonade on that real

0:52:52

estate right there are those kind of

0:52:54

businesses but the growth companies

0:52:57

right standard oil

0:52:59

you know

0:53:01

was a growth company

0:53:02

u.s steel

0:53:04

boeing

0:53:07

in that period when they're growing

0:53:10

their technology company

0:53:12

and uh that means that

0:53:15

all growth stocks

0:53:17

are technology companies by definition

0:53:20

you can buy another stock that's not a

0:53:22

growth

0:53:23

you know that's not a growth company or

0:53:25

a non-tech company but it's probably not

0:53:27

a gross stock

0:53:28

in order to grow a non-technology

0:53:31

company

0:53:32

you could then

0:53:34

you could then make this uh the

0:53:36

assertion that

0:53:37

you're gonna need to do financial

0:53:39

engineering like roll-ups like i'm gonna

0:53:41

buy up every mcdonald's or or every

0:53:43

restaurant

0:53:44

across the country with debt

0:53:47

maybe that's a way to grow it or you

0:53:49

need a concession from a regulator

0:53:52

you know it's now illegal for you and

0:53:55

i'm the only person that can operate

0:53:56

airports in the united states

0:53:58

i can grow that way i need a concession

0:54:00

a political concession

0:54:02

and then i

0:54:03

i suppose there's a place for innovative

0:54:05

marketing

0:54:07

but i'm not

0:54:13

if there's not a compelling technology

0:54:13

breakthrough

0:54:15

i'm just not a big fan right of the of

0:54:18

the marketing thing you know

0:54:20

except for

0:54:22

if the marketing breakthrough comes

0:54:24

about due to technology like for example

0:54:27

i created a company that got famous

0:54:29

because i'm famous on twitter and

0:54:31

youtube and that's not a bad idea

0:54:34

i'm the best marketer on a new

0:54:37

medium

0:54:38

maybe that can work but then the day

0:54:40

those aren't going to be trillion dollar

0:54:42

you know in their day i mean

0:54:44

like if the dollar is inflated or it's

0:54:47

debased by a factor of 100 at least

0:54:51

well i mean

0:54:52

john d rockefeller was worth

0:54:55

300 400 million dollars in his money

0:54:59

multiplied by a hundred

0:55:02

all right multiply by 200

0:55:05

right you know he got to being worth a

0:55:07

billion i think so he probably was worth

0:55:10

200 billion to 250 billion in his money

0:55:14

and and that was in a day

0:55:18

where uh

0:55:19

where you didn't have access to all the

0:55:21

deflationary tech uh services that are

0:55:24

effectively free

0:55:25

so so relatively speaking

0:55:28

right that they had extraordinary power

0:55:31

but they were all technology

0:55:33

capitalist

0:55:34

it's important at this point for us to

0:55:38

just look at the impact of

0:55:40

steel

0:55:41

and aluminum

0:55:43

through this entire era

0:55:51

created an empire based on steel

0:55:51

and uh andrew mellon's empire was

0:55:53

substantially based on aluminum

0:55:56

and aluminum alcoa

0:55:58

and um steel is an elemental

0:56:01

force

0:56:03

for the civil engineering industry

0:56:06

and aluminum became that elemental force

0:56:08

for aviation

0:56:09

uh without steel there really there is

0:56:12

no modern

0:56:14

you know you build a building in ward

0:56:16

it's two stories build a building and

0:56:18

bricks are masonry it's five stories is

0:56:20

max in order to create new york or

0:56:23

london or any great city

0:56:25

you need steel

0:56:27

and you need of course an elevator

0:56:31

straightforward things but of the two of

0:56:33

steel is the harder

0:56:35

development the elevator you could

0:56:37

probably figure out it's a counterweight

0:56:39

on a pulley

0:56:41

whereas

0:56:42

steel is is

0:56:46

laced with carbon

0:56:48

and it's really hard how hard it's

0:56:52

think think about how complicated it is

0:56:55

in order to

0:56:57

refine steel and shape steel

0:57:04

it's uh molten

0:57:04

and it melts through just about anything

0:57:07

you might put it in or on

0:57:10

you know if you read uh any books on

0:57:12

steel like american steel i think by

0:57:14

richard preston about new core they talk

0:57:17

about steel refinery blowouts

0:57:21

if you actually have uh an accident in

0:57:24

this fluid refinery and if the molten

0:57:26

steel

0:57:27

falls

0:57:29

on the um concrete

0:57:32

there's water vapor in the concrete

0:57:36

molten steel super heats the water vapor

0:57:40

and what happens when water vapor

0:57:43

gets hot or water gets hot

0:57:50

expands

0:57:50

explodes

0:57:52

molten seal on steel on concrete

0:57:55

turns the entire refinery into a bomb

0:57:59

and it blows up

0:58:01

and it kills everybody for 100 meters in

0:58:03

every direction

0:58:09

so technology or not technology

0:58:09

harder technology everybody thinks

0:58:11

they're in the technology business today

0:58:15

nobody deals with technology that's as

0:58:18

dangerous and tricky as

0:58:21

you know what carnegie and those early

0:58:24

steel

0:58:24

uh steel refines are dealing with or

0:58:27

they duponts handling nitroglycerin

0:58:30

like what do you think happens when you

0:58:32

mishandle nitroglycerin when you

0:58:34

mishandle crypto you lose some money

0:58:36

when you mishandle nitroglycerin

0:58:39

everything gets blown up again for half

0:58:42

a mile in every direction

0:58:45

and uh aluminum again not so easy either

0:58:48

so these these are really difficult

0:58:51

technologies

0:58:52

but really elemental because the

0:58:54

difference between steel and no steel is

0:58:56

do you build a 100 story skyscraper

0:58:59

right i guess you could say you might do

0:59:01

something with iron but iron's just got

0:59:03

problems steel's the perfect material

0:59:06

for civil engineering

0:59:08

it's uh it's cheap

0:59:10

it's got extraordinary tensile strength

0:59:17

if you if you paint it or maintain

0:59:17

protect it from corrosion it will last

0:59:19

forever

0:59:21

literally forever robert if i if you

0:59:23

build a steel ship

0:59:25

and you punch a hole in it

0:59:28

you can weld the hole with another piece

0:59:30

of steel and the weld will be stronger

0:59:33

than the original cold rolled steel

0:59:36

it's that strong

0:59:38

so in the world of strong

0:59:41

this is the strongest of strong

0:59:42

materials

0:59:44

it's strong

0:59:45

it's cheap

0:59:47

carnegie figured it out they built every

0:59:48

bridge with it no steel no bridges no

0:59:51

bridges no manhunt

0:59:54

figure out what happens if you blow the

0:59:55

bridges man

0:59:57

you couldn't ever starve to death you

0:59:59

can't even get the food in

1:00:00

fast enough

1:00:01

and of course

1:00:03

you can't hold the skyscrapers so

1:00:05

all modern civil engineering is based on

1:00:07

steel

1:00:08

so then along comes aviation and they

1:00:10

try to build a plane with steel what

1:00:12

happens

1:00:14

you ever see a steel airplane

1:00:18

it's the perfect material it's cheap

1:00:21

it's indestructible why not build an

1:00:23

airplane with steel too damn heavy

1:00:27

just one

1:00:29

little nuance just one little

1:00:32

problem

1:00:38

but that you know the fact that it's

1:00:38

better than aluminum

1:00:40

in every way shape aluminum is 20 times

1:00:43

more expensive than steel

1:00:45

you know and it flexes and there's also

1:00:47

and it's difficult to work

1:00:50

it doesn't matter

1:00:52

steel doesn't fly iron doesn't fly

1:00:54

wood flies

1:00:57

you know canvas flies

1:00:59

fabric flies

1:01:01

but you try to find a metal which is

1:01:03

stable

1:01:05

that's a that's out that's going to be a

1:01:07

a structurally sound metal for aviation

1:01:10

and aluminum's the one

1:01:12

no aluminum no aviation

1:01:14

nothing

1:01:15

right

1:01:17

like you're talking about

1:01:19

balloons

1:01:21

right or

1:01:22

maybe you got the right flyer

1:01:27

it's an elemental force

1:01:30

and uh and on that uh element you make

1:01:34

that breakthrough then you have

1:01:37

hundreds you have a trillion dollar

1:01:39

industry

1:01:41

right based on that breakthrough how do

1:01:43

you work it how do you create it how do

1:01:44

you use it it's so interesting that

1:01:46

these

1:01:47

raw material breakthroughs then have so

1:01:51

many follow-on consequences like first

1:01:54

and second-order consequences

1:01:55

you know to the point where you're

1:01:56

saying no steel no city

1:01:59

no aluminum no aircraft and then we have

1:02:02

to think about how much commerce is

1:02:04

actually conducted through the city and

1:02:05

through the aircraft

1:02:07

i mean it is it's foundational

1:02:10

global civilization as we know it

1:02:17

and they all kind of come down to

1:02:17

networks that move

1:02:19

energy around

1:02:21

standard oils and energy not work the

1:02:23

railroads are

1:02:25

are energy networks right okay no

1:02:27

railroad

1:02:28

no tanker car with energy on it right

1:02:30

the railroad is the energy network

1:02:33

moving the oil around

1:02:35

the airplanes another energy network

1:02:38

moving high frequency

1:02:41

cargo around

1:02:42

and information around

1:02:44

and uh and each one of them you know

1:02:47

build another one and then the food

1:02:48

networks and

1:02:49

the result of all of them is there are

1:02:52

large corporations and huge huge

1:02:55

opportunities for wealth creation if you

1:02:57

get to the node of the network

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1:03:01

you know one one last point on the steel

1:03:05

before we move on it's worth

1:03:07

noting is

1:03:11

average life expectancy at 1900 is 50.

1:03:16

in america

1:03:18

it was 70 under the romans

1:03:20

it was 30 in the dark ages it might have

1:03:22

been 32 33 on in the revolutionary war

1:03:26

in the us

1:03:27

we crawl back up to 50.

1:03:31

and um and then by 1950

1:03:34

it's 70.

1:03:36

and so probably the most rapid expansion

1:03:39

in the quality of life

1:03:41

in thousands of years is in that 50

1:03:43

years from 1900 to 1950 because of the

1:03:46

conquest of infectious diseases and

1:03:49

that's all really

1:03:51

a function of

1:03:52

discovering

1:03:54

you know

1:03:55

discovering the science of of

1:03:57

microbes and sterilization understanding

1:04:00

that you need to be sterile and then the

1:04:02

second is antibiotics

1:04:03

and those two things together

1:04:06

were extraordinary

1:04:08

antibiotics alone in penicillin

1:04:11

responsible for the defeat of

1:04:13

tuberculosis and tuberculosis killed a

1:04:15

billion people the white plague

1:04:18

have you caught tuberculosis it was a

1:04:19

death sentence

1:04:21

i think it killed chopin

1:04:23

killed all sorts of people

1:04:27

a billion people more than any war

1:04:30

and of course

1:04:32

in this particular case if you look at

1:04:34

uh history books

1:04:36

on the 21st 20th century

1:04:38

they give it like two paragraphs

1:04:44

you know you could pre if you were

1:04:44

awaiting the text based upon the

1:04:46

significance of what happened

1:04:49

you prob probably

1:04:51

something like half of all the history

1:04:53

of the 20th century ought to be just

1:04:55

about

1:04:56

you know

1:04:57

penicillin antibiotics

1:04:59

and sterilization half

1:05:02

and everything else could be the other

1:05:03

half but in fact it's not even 0.01

1:05:07

the only measurable

1:05:10

mortality rate in the 20th century

1:05:13

is is the flu epidemic around 1920 where

1:05:17

you could see a blip you you can't see

1:05:21

an impact on the average life expectancy

1:05:24

of any other event

1:05:27

including all the wars

1:05:29

the wars don't world war one doesn't

1:05:31

register world war ii doesn't register

1:05:33

nothing re it's kind of like just the

1:05:36

the impact of technology

1:05:38

of modern medicine and antibiotics and

1:05:41

and uh networks and and cheap energy and

1:05:44

sterilization and sanitation and running

1:05:46

the impact of that

1:05:49

so dwarfs every political

1:05:52

thing that took place

1:05:54

in the century that what you've really

1:05:56

got i think it's just a chart that's

1:05:58

just a small blip in 1920 and now it's

1:06:01

you know different estimates 100 million

1:06:03

people died uh

1:06:05

20 people say as much as 20 percent 10

1:06:08

to 20 of the population died in that one

1:06:10

or two year time frame

1:06:12

and they're still debating what that is

1:06:15

it's the only event you can see on the

1:06:17

chart and uh

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all of the activities of all all the

1:06:23

politicians and all the ideologies and

1:06:26

everything we fought over turned out to

1:06:28

be not as relevant

1:06:30

you know as uh

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defeating tuberculosis penicillin and it

1:06:36

the it was from a derived from a

1:06:38

mycelium is that correct that was left

1:06:40

in a sink overnight accidentally

1:06:42

something to that effect yeah and it's

1:06:44

an accident the guy

1:06:46

we get it from a from a a fungus

1:06:50

uh and um

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it's accidental

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it's incredible

1:06:55

and uh and and powerful but um

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i don't know i guess your takeaway

1:07:01

from that is um

1:07:07

let people do their stuff and don't

1:07:07

don't

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right don't try to channel

1:07:11

people in any particular direction too

1:07:14

much because uh nature's a bit more

1:07:17

complicated i think celeb makes a point

1:07:19

that all of our innovation is

1:07:22

or will say all say the vast majority of

1:07:25

innovation occurs through trial and

1:07:26

error right this tinkering

1:07:29

impulse that people naturally have

1:07:31

versus this

1:07:32

uh image of the inventor alone in a room

1:07:36

laboring for 20 years straight and all

1:07:38

of a sudden he has a breakthrough it's

1:07:39

more like people working and tinkering

1:07:41

all over the world and communicating

1:07:42

that lead to these breakthroughs

1:07:45

yeah half of science is accidental

1:07:47

and half the stuff gets discovered but

1:07:49

the issue is no one decides to

1:07:51

commercialize it or

1:07:52

or they don't engineer it into the

1:07:54

solution so

1:07:56

there's that

1:07:58

that phrase um i think william gibson's

1:08:00

phrase the future's already with us it's

1:08:03

just not evenly distributed right right

1:08:06

yeah yeah exactly

1:08:08

all right guys

1:08:10

episode two

1:08:12

so good

1:08:13

uh we're making progress

1:08:15

we've now seen man

1:08:18

rise through uh stone age

1:08:23

regress into the dark ages and then

1:08:25

finally progress into the steel age

1:08:29

and this leads us into the industrial

1:08:31

revolution and

1:08:33

um where we are today which is the

1:08:35

information age

1:08:39

really appreciated sailors perspectives

1:08:41

on this

1:08:42

i thought it was interesting that

1:08:44

we take so much for granted today we

1:08:47

really think that all of these

1:08:50

modern miracles generated by markets are

1:08:52

a given

1:08:53

but if we look at the dark ages and

1:08:55

realize that one key misstep can send us

1:08:59

sliding back thousands of years

1:09:02

i think it's a great

1:09:03

lesson to deeply absorb and realize that

1:09:06

none of this none of this is promised

1:09:10

and he you know he made the point clear

1:09:13

you know the boot print right the the

1:09:15

idea of the printing press was evident

1:09:17

to anyone who had ever seen a footprint

1:09:20

or a boot prep yet for some reason it

1:09:22

took us

1:09:23

a really long time to commercialize it

1:09:26

uh and realize its revolutionary

1:09:28

potential

1:09:29

and uh i also when he pointed to tregen

1:09:32

right the guy from 100 a.d

1:09:36

the statue of tradition holding the

1:09:37

globe right the spherical world in his

1:09:40

hand at 100 a.d

1:09:42

yet fast forward to

1:09:45

1400 bc

1:09:47

and there's people in europe uh

1:09:48

pre-columbus that still think the world

1:09:50

is flat so it's so interesting to me

1:09:52

that these ideas powerful as they are

1:09:55

um they can be missed right we can we

1:09:59

we can

1:10:00

hurt ourselves by not paying attention

1:10:04

um and not just at an individual level

1:10:07

but really at a civilizational level

1:10:10

and um i think you know as sailor might

1:10:13

call that the fire of truth right when

1:10:14

we let the fire of truth be extinguished

1:10:17

um it society can regress into falsehood

1:10:21

the other uh interesting point was

1:10:25

the native americans or the pottery

1:10:26

wheel right they had this device for

1:10:30

you know who knows how many hundreds of

1:10:31

years

1:10:33

but no one had figured out to turn it on

1:10:34

its side right and realize all of the

1:10:37

mechanical potential of the wheel right

1:10:39

the wheelbarrow the wagon

1:10:41

um even things like the train and

1:10:43

whatnot they all

1:10:45

uh use the wheel to overcome frictions

1:10:48

for terrestrial motion

1:10:50

um and i thought that was an interesting

1:10:52

example of how some of our most

1:10:54

important innovations can just be hidden

1:10:56

in plain sight frankly

1:10:58

um and this is this points

1:11:01

towards bitcoin for me in that

1:11:05

so many people

1:11:06

know there's something wrong in the

1:11:08

world they sense there's something

1:11:09

really deeply wrong in the world today

1:11:11

but very few people understand how

1:11:14

broken the money is and how much that

1:11:17

contributes

1:11:18

to the socio-economic problems we're

1:11:20

seeing the world over so in that way i

1:11:23

kind of think we

1:11:25

the so the problem and the solution are

1:11:27

hidden in plain sight so to speak and

1:11:29

that we need to fix the money to fix

1:11:31

many problems in the world

1:11:35

we got into the discussion about

1:11:38

smugglers right so the definition of a

1:11:41

smuggler which sounds like a a criminal

1:11:44

actor is really just someone trying to

1:11:47

protect their self-interest right

1:11:48

there's someone that that wants to

1:11:50

conduct commerce to report and not give

1:11:52

away half of their stuff as sailor said

1:11:54

i thought that was

1:11:55

very interesting and that's actually

1:11:56

where we get the term freeport i don't

1:11:59

know if we touched on that in the

1:12:00

episode or not but

1:12:01

the term freeport means that you can

1:12:04

dock there without having uh you know

1:12:06

half your stuff or a percentage of

1:12:08

yourself confiscated

1:12:12

leads us to

1:12:13

the really important role that

1:12:15

gatekeepers have played throughout

1:12:16

history

1:12:18

whatever

1:12:19

local monopoly on violence existed

1:12:21

they've always wielded that monopoly to

1:12:25

extract value or rents or tax

1:12:28

from those conducting business and

1:12:31

creating economic surplus

1:12:33

in their guarded territory right that's

1:12:36

been kind of the name of the game

1:12:38

throughout human history and that's why

1:12:40

we have the two adages right death and

1:12:42

taxes anywhere you go to kentucky

1:12:44

business

1:12:45

uh you're going to get taxed and you

1:12:47

know we're all mortal we all die

1:12:51

governments have always used

1:12:53

the weapon of the law

1:12:57

an instrument of plunder right it is how

1:12:59

they generate revenue

1:13:03

maximally extracting wealth from those

1:13:06

that do business in their territory but

1:13:09

it's a

1:13:10

it's a parasitic relationship and if we

1:13:13

in the domain of biology parasites

1:13:15

actually don't

1:13:17

tax their host to death that would be

1:13:19

actually counter to their own

1:13:20

self-interest

1:13:22

they want to extract

1:13:25

maximum value

1:13:27

but in a way that maintains the host

1:13:30

longevity right so it's kind of like

1:13:32

establishing monopoly profits in an

1:13:35

economic sense there's there's a very

1:13:36

particular point on the price curve

1:13:38

where the monopolist

1:13:40

sets their price to optimize their own

1:13:42

profits which isn't enough profit to say

1:13:44

kill the consumer and force them not to

1:13:46

be able to pay for it and it's not a low

1:13:48

price like we'd see in free market

1:13:50

competition but it's like right at this

1:13:52

peak point

1:13:53

um so i thought it was pretty

1:13:55

interesting that we were able to see

1:13:57

governments in that light

1:14:00

that's why

1:14:02

history has this

1:14:04

distinct pattern of

1:14:05

might is right yeah you know like

1:14:09

people have been competing to be the

1:14:11

head gatekeeper right and this is this

1:14:13

could be governmental this could be

1:14:14

religious um because it gives them a

1:14:19

the path of least resistance if you will

1:14:21

for extracting value and becoming

1:14:23

wealthy and indeed those were the first

1:14:25

wealthy people in the world or people

1:14:27

that were able to specialize in violence

1:14:29

or to specialize in religion

1:14:31

to establish monopolies on on local

1:14:34

commerce

1:14:37

or local belief systems

1:14:40

and if you when that that you know

1:14:43

points to the intimate relationship of

1:14:45

government and religion and um

1:14:47

you know the defining feature of western

1:14:49

civilization today is the separation of

1:14:51

church and state that was

1:14:52

uh how we have secular society was a

1:14:55

decoupling of those two institutions

1:14:58

and we look at say a modern city like

1:15:00

new york

1:15:01

i thought the point was great that those

1:15:04

skyscrapers are constructed

1:15:07

from the value

1:15:09

that is extracted by financial

1:15:11

intermediaries right we're saying give

1:15:13

the example of

1:15:14

two bond traders in adjacent buildings

1:15:17

uh driving most of the volume in a

1:15:18

market and they both get discrete you

1:15:21

know they're vague they're one or two

1:15:22

percent

1:15:23

and it reminds me of the hotels and the

1:15:25

hotels in vegas right the old joke was

1:15:28

the the buildings aren't built built by

1:15:30

winning gamblers right it's

1:15:33

the nature of

1:15:35

being an intermediary

1:15:37

is that you get to extract perpetual

1:15:40

profits basically from anyone doing

1:15:43

business

1:15:44

uh within your network

1:15:48

that's what money is right it's just

1:15:50

this it's a network of trust and that's

1:15:53

the state has always fought to control

1:15:56

and monopolize it because it gives them

1:15:58

essentially unlimited power

1:16:01

and wealth to be able to confiscate that

1:16:03

from the uh the entirety of their

1:16:05

citizens

1:16:07

and um

1:16:10

that's what you know that's what tax is

1:16:12

that's what a rent is not a rent like

1:16:15

you pay

1:16:16

monthly for your apartment but uh rent

1:16:18

in the economic senses it is the

1:16:22

intermediary or group

1:16:24

preserving peace in that area they get

1:16:28

to siphon value off of it

1:16:30

for the privilege of protection and it's

1:16:33

not necessarily a bad thing uh the the

1:16:37

problem

1:16:38

with it is is when it's a non

1:16:40

when it's priced at a non-consensual

1:16:42

rate right when you

1:16:44

have to pay 40 taxes to the government

1:16:47

and you don't have any bargaining power

1:16:49

in that relationship

1:16:51

that's the problem right that's when we

1:16:52

move away from free market competition

1:16:54

and towards monopolization

1:16:56

uh and that's what

1:16:58

creates so many problems in the world

1:17:01

and then when we

1:17:03

shifted the discussion and started

1:17:05

looking

1:17:07

standardized containers

1:17:09

i talked about that standardized

1:17:10

container um that you might see on the

1:17:13

back of a semi truck or that now goes

1:17:15

they also you know ship across the ocean

1:17:18

uh and we started talking about the

1:17:20

value again there of standardization

1:17:22

which we touched on a lot of this in

1:17:23

episode one when we look at ancient

1:17:25

romans

1:17:27

when we are able to compress

1:17:31

i guess you could say that

1:17:33

protocols and standardization compress

1:17:35

confusion right because there's less

1:17:39

optionality so everyone knows the

1:17:41

language everyone knows

1:17:44

exactly what to expect so you're able to

1:17:46

execute actions very quickly and

1:17:48

efficiently and this creates a lot of

1:17:50

economic surplus right this frees up a

1:17:51

lot of time and resources

1:17:54

which are harnessed as wealth it can be

1:17:56

reallocated to other things so it's

1:17:59

that is how we collapse fixed cost right

1:18:02

is by standardization

1:18:07

i think and we'll talk about this more a

1:18:11

the pattern i see emerging is that

1:18:14

at the beginning of an industry

1:18:17

uh it's almost

1:18:19

as if i mean if there's not a natural

1:18:21

monopoly there's typically uh attempted

1:18:24

to be imposed a legal monopoly

1:18:26

and this can have some short-run benefit

1:18:28

because it establishes standards but

1:18:31

it's at the long-run detriment of the

1:18:33

market because again the monopolist is

1:18:34

essentially extracting wealth from other

1:18:37

market participants

1:18:40

but we'll talk about that more shortly

1:18:43

when we looked at empires i love how

1:18:45

sailor painted them

1:18:48

in that the number one export of an

1:18:49

empire is security right that's what the

1:18:52

us is today right we're the imperialist

1:18:55

that runs the world

1:18:57

uh we export security if you look at a

1:18:59

map of how many u.s military bases are

1:19:02

worldwide we're basically everywhere

1:19:05

except russia and china um and

1:19:09

it's interesting to me

1:19:11

how bitcoin fits into that picture

1:19:12

because bitcoin's number one value

1:19:13

proposition

1:19:15

is security right it's security of your

1:19:18

time and energy in a medium that cannot

1:19:20

be compromised and uh as sailor

1:19:23

described that he said it's like a

1:19:24

technology

1:19:26

bitcoin

1:19:27

for securitizing your time and energy

1:19:30

behind an impenetrable wall of encrypted

1:19:32

energy right so it's this

1:19:34

it's a very unique tool and that for the

1:19:36

first time in history we have

1:19:39

a place to put our life force right or

1:19:42

our wealth

1:19:44

that is independent of any political

1:19:47

happenings in the world right it's an a

1:19:49

political money

1:19:51

which is which is very central to its

1:19:53

value proposition

1:19:55

although bitcoin hasn't

1:19:57

so it clearly has a huge relationship

1:19:59

with security although it hasn't clearly

1:20:01

hasn't solved physical security right

1:20:03

bitcoin's not a force field or anything

1:20:05

like that

1:20:06

it does have some interesting

1:20:08

potential implications in that because

1:20:10

it's programmatic

1:20:12

you could say

1:20:14

program a payment to be issued

1:20:16

to a gatekeeper like half before you

1:20:18

pass the gate whatever the gate may be

1:20:20

whether this is a border

1:20:22

um or

1:20:24

anything anything that a gatekeeper does

1:20:26

and then programs such that they receive

1:20:28

half a payment after so it can actually

1:20:30

reduce the incentives to violence right

1:20:32

and increase the incentives to

1:20:34

cooperation

1:20:35

so it'll be interesting to see how

1:20:36

bitcoin

1:20:38

fits into the empires of the future

1:20:42

and then we went into

1:20:45

the steel age which

1:20:47

you know steel is just such a

1:20:48

fascinating thing it's this

1:20:56

raw material for building these

1:20:56

networks um

1:20:58

in a really permanent fashion right

1:21:01

um and again if we look at what people

1:21:04

are people are

1:21:06

like as i say in some of my writing

1:21:07

we're the networked species right we we

1:21:10

dominate the planet

1:21:12

with our wits right because of our

1:21:13

ability to

1:21:15

abstract to tell stories like money like

1:21:19

nation states like human rights um and

1:21:21

this is all that entire thesis

1:21:24

is encapsulated really well in the book

1:21:26

sapiens if you haven't read that

1:21:28

and our ability to abstract these

1:21:31

stories orient ourselves around them and

1:21:33

then communicate about them very

1:21:35

precisely and very quickly that's what

1:21:37

lets us function

1:21:39

as almost like a single harmonious

1:21:41

organism which we would say that's what

1:21:43

the world economy is right we're we're

1:21:45

communicating with each other with words

1:21:47

and prices

1:21:48

uh and and shifting

1:21:51

uh the allocation of resources to the

1:21:52

highest and best use

1:21:54

at least in a purely free market central

1:21:56

banking clearly distorts a lot of that

1:21:59

and in that

1:22:00

context

1:22:02

steel was critical to building out

1:22:05

kinetic networks right the railroad the

1:22:09

ability to move people and military

1:22:11

assets

1:22:13

1000 x or 10 000x more cheaply across

1:22:18

right to say it was making the point

1:22:21

wars were won and lost based on the

1:22:24

successful construction of railroads

1:22:27

and this

1:22:29

drove an interconnectivity of

1:22:32

people and cities across

1:22:36

so it's one of these these primordial uh

1:22:39

networks for civilization what was the

1:22:41

railroad and behind that were the roads

1:22:43

right built by the romans again

1:22:46

and um

1:22:49

took us to

1:22:51

john d rockefeller and standard oil

1:22:55

i thought i think the point was great

1:22:56

about light again you know before

1:23:00

we figured out how to harness oil right

1:23:03

oil being

1:23:04

this compressed

1:23:06

energy source from ancient sunlight

1:23:09

right it's sunlight that's fallen on the

1:23:10

earth for tens of thousands of millions

1:23:12

of years and has been compressed

1:23:15

uh into its subterranean layers that

1:23:18

we're then able to harness

1:23:20

um to radically increase our

1:23:22

productivity as we've seen in the

1:23:24

industrial age before that before we

1:23:26

figured out oil we're literally going to

1:23:30

hunting whales right harpooning whales

1:23:33

to harness to harvest their blubber

1:23:37

uh for candle light

1:23:39

so the the the productivity

1:23:42

and i've seen the math on this before i

1:23:43

can't quote it exactly but

1:23:45

the amount of energy necessary to

1:23:47

produce a single lumen which would be a

1:23:50

unit of of light radiance

1:23:53

going from a

1:23:55

from needing to hunt whales to produce

1:23:57

candles to harnessing oil like again it

1:24:00

was orders of magnitude more cheap

1:24:02

uh to actually create

1:24:05

light right um

1:24:07

so i thought that was really energy

1:24:09

really interesting

1:24:10

and um

1:24:12

oil basically was this

1:24:16

like fire almost this primary energy

1:24:20

network right that we

1:24:22

were able to tap

1:24:25

and just radically accelerate how

1:24:27

quickly the economy was producing wealth

1:24:31

and new things and new innovations

1:24:34

so again if we consider that

1:24:36

we're channeling energy across our

1:24:39

intellect to create new and useful

1:24:41

things it's as if our intellect hit this

1:24:46

new really potent source of energy when

1:24:48

we figured out oil

1:24:51

rockefeller you know he

1:24:53

he captured the entire value stream

1:24:55

right he built out the logistics network

1:24:57

he had the train cars the container

1:24:59

ships the trucks

1:25:00

uh sailor made the point he was giving

1:25:02

away the furnaces for free so he had the

1:25:04

freemium model he's giving away the

1:25:06

furnace to sell the oil so to speak

1:25:08

um and he originated that this cartel

1:25:11

model

1:25:12

of owning the whole supply chain

1:25:16

so he could standardize the industry

1:25:18

which i thought was super interesting

1:25:19

because again we're back to

1:25:21

standardization where a monopolist can

1:25:23

come in

1:25:25

and lay out the singular unitary plan

1:25:29

to kind of mute the volatility right to

1:25:31

mute the competition

1:25:33

which is long-term bad but short-term

1:25:36

sort of a benefit and that that

1:25:38

monopolist now gets to set standards

1:25:40

right he can create standards

1:25:42

that everyone else will be forced to

1:25:44

operate on uh if done correctly forever

1:25:47

right he almost gets to

1:25:49

be the incipient of the path dependence

1:25:52

of the network that he's creating

1:25:54

and so this

1:25:56

the thing that comes to mind is

1:25:57

monopolies serving this function perhaps

1:26:01

of muting volatility

1:26:04

in the early stages of an industrial

1:26:07

particular industries development

1:26:09

and to establish standards which then

1:26:12

commoditizes the space

1:26:16

assuming you can remove that monopoly

1:26:18

after it's served its function of

1:26:20

setting the standards then you let free

1:26:22

market competition take hold on those

1:26:24

standards

1:26:26

and it's more beneficial right versus if

1:26:28

you just

1:26:29

set out in the beginning with pure free

1:26:30

market competition

1:26:32

then it's hard to get uh the industry to

1:26:35

interoperate well because of the lack of

1:26:36

standards so it's a bit of a mind twist

1:26:41

for me but

1:26:44

the the old saying comes to mind if you

1:26:46

want to go fast

1:26:47

go alone if you want to go far go

1:26:49

together

1:26:50

it's as if a

1:26:52

monopolistic single unitary plan enables

1:26:55

you to go fast right really build out an

1:26:57

industry really quickly

1:26:59

even in the information age today right

1:27:01

i think we're very early and we're

1:27:03

seeing the monopolist take a big lead

1:27:05

right facebook amazon netflix google but

1:27:08

over time i would suspect that the

1:27:11

standards that they have been setting

1:27:13

will start to be opened up to more free

1:27:15

market competition

1:27:17

and we'll see uh the demonopolization

1:27:21

of the space and with that the decline

1:27:24

in cost

1:27:25

um which then you know again frees up

1:27:28

all this economic abundance that man can

1:27:30

reallocate towards the next major wave

1:27:33

of innovation

1:27:34

so it's a lot to think about there but

1:27:36

uh it seems like there's something

1:27:38

natural some natural interplay between

1:27:40

uh monopolistic and free market

1:27:42

competition

1:27:44

and that led to you know

1:27:46

rockefeller figuring out standardizing

1:27:48

oil led to

1:27:50

henry ford's production of the

1:27:51

automobile and the automobile as sailor

1:27:53

said was the killer app for oil right

1:27:57

and when we think about the automobile

1:27:59

it's like

1:28:00

what was invented right we think it's

1:28:03

just this vehicle for getting us from a

1:28:06

but it enabled all of a sudden

1:28:09

the density of the city the economic

1:28:11

network density of the city to be a

1:28:12

reality because then people could

1:28:14

commute into the city and commute out um

1:28:17

it created a lot of the pollution we see

1:28:20

in the world today

1:28:21

it changed

1:28:22

people's self-identity right like the

1:28:25

is an avatar of who we are people um

1:28:28

often use automobiles today as kind of a

1:28:30

status symbol so

1:28:33

it's just a total game changer right the

1:28:35

invention of the automobile which again

1:28:37

is one of those innovations that sort of

1:28:38

sprung up from

1:28:40

uh the mastering of the oil energy

1:28:42

network

1:28:44

and uh i thought it was interesting too

1:28:47

rockefeller was basically the most

1:28:50

wealthy guy in history i think

1:28:52

sailor made the point was worth over 200

1:28:54

billion dollars in today's dollars

1:28:58

rockefeller died in say 1937.

1:29:01

the refrigerator wasn't even

1:29:03

commercialized until like uh early 1920s

1:29:07

so this is a guy the richest guy in the

1:29:09

world right didn't even have a

1:29:11

refrigerator

1:29:12

so if you today have a refrigerator you

1:29:14

in some ways are more wealthy than john

1:29:16

d rockefeller was

1:29:18

um you know just a little a little less

1:29:20

than 100 years ago

1:29:22

and that i think is just a testament to

1:29:25

the abundance created by free markets

1:29:27

right it's like every living generation

1:29:30

assuming we're optimizing for uh

1:29:33

for productivity improvement is head and

1:29:36

shoulders above the prior generation

1:29:38

even the richest of the prior generation

1:29:42

and then we got into

1:29:44

the discussion about craft hershey's and

1:29:45

post foods i i never thought about this

1:29:49

before that

1:29:50

the business they were in was actually

1:29:54

selling

1:29:55

stabilized energy right like food

1:30:00

inherently unstable it doesn't keep well

1:30:03

especially before the invention of the

1:30:04

refrigerator and these innovators

1:30:07

figured out basically how to stabilize

1:30:09

food energy at room temperature

1:30:12

and the value proposition they were

1:30:14

selling is that their food doesn't kill

1:30:17

you which i thought was just great it's

1:30:19

like this

1:30:21

again they were they're technologists

1:30:23

right we think of it as food and we

1:30:25

think today it's no big deal i go to the

1:30:27

grocery store and we buy boxes or cans

1:30:29

or bottles of whatever we want but this

1:30:31

is a major breakthrough

1:30:33

for for supporting larger populations

1:30:36

like we have in the world today

1:30:38

and um it kind of reminds me of the

1:30:40

certification function on coin engine

1:30:42

bills too because you know sailor made

1:30:44

the point i'd never thought of a brand

1:30:45

like this

1:30:46

that the brand was like you know this

1:30:49

food won't kill you just like a gold

1:30:53

uh stamped by a government or a private

1:30:55

certification business was saying this

1:30:57

is one ounce of gold or this is 10

1:31:00

ounces of silver or whatever it was so

1:31:02

it's it's a trust thing right you learn

1:31:04

to trust the brand to represent what it

1:31:07

says it is

1:31:10

and then also in food you know frozen

1:31:12

food was a total game changer like the

1:31:14

fact that we could

1:31:16

you know suck all the entropy out of

1:31:18

food and keep it for extremely long

1:31:20

periods of time

1:31:22

uh just allowed us to accumulate the

1:31:24

savings of food right um

1:31:27

you know we all take it for granted

1:31:28

today but again a freezer and a

1:31:30

refrigerator like

1:31:32

we should just

1:31:34

stop in awe of our freezer and

1:31:36

refrigerator every day and just think

1:31:38

about how amazing it is

1:31:40

that we figured out a way to suck the

1:31:42

entropy out of food and store food

1:31:44

energy

1:31:45

for over extremely long periods of time

1:31:48

and in

1:31:50

in that

1:31:51

context in a monetary sense we could say

1:31:55

fiat currency is a high entropy

1:31:59

storage device right it leaks a lot it

1:32:02

it suffers from spoilage over time

1:32:05

whereas bitcoin could be considered like

1:32:07

the deep freeze you know the absolute

1:32:11

of storing monetary energy it sucks all

1:32:13

the entropy out of it and you know

1:32:16

that you'll own a guaranteed fraction of

1:32:18

the total money supply for all time um

1:32:21

so that that analogy was interesting to

1:32:24

me as well i liked

1:32:27

how he talked about

1:32:28

food factories being

1:32:31

again they're technologists they were

1:32:32

computer programs written in steel

1:32:35

so one end of this program you would put

1:32:37

eggs and flour and

1:32:39

milk or whatever it is and at the other

1:32:41

end of this you know steel computer

1:32:42

program it outputs cookies that you can

1:32:49

you know wrap in plastic put on the

1:32:50

shelf and they last

1:32:52

for a year or whatever the number is um

1:32:55

this is a totally new and unique way to

1:32:58

look at food and consumer packaged goods

1:33:00

in general and in that way they were

1:33:03

they were stores of value right food

1:33:06

this consumer packaged good industry was

1:33:08

in the business of storing value right

1:33:10

they're storing

1:33:12

food energy as value and selling it

1:33:15

and they were able to accomplish that

1:33:17

through hyper sanitization right they

1:33:20

i'm sorry hyper sanitation so they're

1:33:23

removing all of the detritus and

1:33:27

any uncleanliness from the food

1:33:29

packaging process and in doing so

1:33:31

they're able to output a product that

1:33:33

was guaranteed to last for a fixed

1:33:35

amount of time

1:33:38

again the analogy there to bitcoin being

1:33:40

this hyper sanitized ledger right

1:33:43

there's

1:33:44

all of the nodes

1:33:46

are all checking

1:33:48

and the miners are all checking one

1:33:49

another's work to make sure it's being

1:33:52

consistent with the rules of the

1:33:54

protocol which are

1:33:56

100 open and transparent to everyone and

1:34:00

that's what makes it this

1:34:02

ultimate preservation device of monetary

1:34:06

energy

1:34:07

um so that you know just mind-blowing

1:34:09

comparisons between consumer

1:34:11

consumer food products and bitcoin

1:34:16

um and in that

1:34:19

way you know sailor hit this on the head

1:34:23

i saw the brand the concept of a brand

1:34:26

in a new way like i used to think a

1:34:28

brand was just a company's logo and

1:34:31

reputation

1:34:32

but to his point the brand was the

1:34:35

certification saying

1:34:38

this product is what it says it is you

1:34:40

can trust the reputation of this group

1:34:44

and you know particularly this food

1:34:47

won't kill you right something that's

1:34:48

pretty important something you're going

1:34:49

to eat and put in your body you can

1:34:51

reliably trust this brand

1:34:55

that it won't kill you right there

1:34:56

they're trading the producers trading on

1:34:59

their own reputation if you will

1:35:01

and i thought he just hit the button

1:35:03

right on the head when he said in that

1:35:05

sense

1:35:05

bitcoin is the best branded asset in

1:35:08

history

1:35:09

because bitcoin does do exactly what it

1:35:13

says it will do

1:35:14

nothing less

1:35:15

nothing more and there's no

1:35:19

element of human corruption that can

1:35:21

change that right like you could

1:35:23

install a new ceo at kraft foods and he

1:35:26

could say to hell with a customer i'm

1:35:27

gonna start putting

1:35:29

rat poison in my cheese crackers or

1:35:32

whatever right can do some outlandish

1:35:35

stuff to ruin the reputation of the

1:35:37

business

1:35:37

but bitcoin is this leaderless

1:35:41

institution right that just runs

1:35:44

the rules of the protocol and it doesn't

1:35:46

change it doesn't bend

1:35:48

so that was just mind-blowing for me and

1:35:50

something i'm going to be thinking about

1:35:51

for a really long time

1:35:54

um then we got into steel

1:35:57

you know uh

1:35:59

with with andrew carnegie

1:36:02

mastering this ultimate raw material for

1:36:05

civil engineering right sailor made the

1:36:06

point

1:36:07

steel is cheap

1:36:09

high tensile strength if you paint it

1:36:12

uh it basically lasts forever so it's

1:36:14

non-corrosive as long as you seal it off

1:36:17

from air and water

1:36:18

and then

1:36:19

the if you damage it and decide to

1:36:22

repair it with a

1:36:23

uh wielding

1:36:25

though

1:36:27

the welding weldings i say that welding

1:36:30

is actually stronger than the original

1:36:32

steel itself so it's just

1:36:34

again another one of these

1:36:36

fundamental breakthroughs in raw

1:36:38

materials that supported

1:36:40

a higher

1:36:42

civilizational advance

1:36:44

and then we talked about aviation

1:36:47

clearly steel is good for a lot of

1:36:49

things but no good for aviation because

1:36:51

it's too heavy so we had to figure out

1:36:52

aluminum

1:36:54

um and so much

1:36:57

i don't know my epiphany here is that so

1:36:59

much was riding on these raw material

1:37:01

breakthroughs

1:37:04

you were

1:37:06

discovering new foundational elements to

1:37:09

society and there's a lot of upstream

1:37:12

consequences that we can't even imagine

1:37:14

right like when someone figured out

1:37:16

steel

1:37:19

figured out steel who knew we're going

1:37:21

to figure out the city and then figure

1:37:22

out you know aluminum to figure out

1:37:24

aviation and then figure out

1:37:26

uh say

1:37:28

fiber optics encircling the planet

1:37:30

figuring out the internet figuring out

1:37:32

um youtube right it's just these layers

1:37:35

of innovation and the

1:37:37

from the point of innovation

1:37:39

it's very difficult impossible frankly

1:37:42

to see where it's going to go so it just

1:37:44

it unlocks all this

1:37:46

potential human ingenuity to discover

1:37:48

all these other things and kind of a

1:37:50

cascading effect

1:37:54

you know as i said no steel no city no

1:37:56

aluminum no aviation

1:37:58

and just think about just those two we

1:38:00

just stopped there if we had no city and

1:38:03

we had no aviation

1:38:06

how much of the world would we not have

1:38:08

today

1:38:09

i mean how many of you have flown right

1:38:11

how many of you have lived in a city

1:38:13

it's really hard to fathom how much just

1:38:16

these two raw material breakthroughs

1:38:18

have changed our lives

1:38:22

again in my mind it's all

1:38:24

it all comes down to increasing

1:38:27

the energetic or network density right

1:38:30

so we're increasing

1:38:32

the possibility of exchange right we

1:38:34

increase

1:38:36

say the positive the uh economic and

1:38:38

population density of a city

1:38:40

increases exchange within that city so

1:38:43

it's pumping out more ideas and

1:38:45

innovations there's there's great books

1:38:47

on this uh

1:38:48

i think it's called the serendipity of

1:38:50

the city maybe where it talks about this

1:38:52

relationship between population density

1:38:54

and innovation right the more population

1:38:56

density there is the more innovation

1:38:58

tends to come out of it

1:38:59

and then

1:39:01

in aviation

1:39:02

sense it's about overcoming the

1:39:04

frictions to free exchange right all

1:39:07

most people more than 200 years ago

1:39:10

would really never leave say a 30 mile

1:39:12

radius where they're born

1:39:14

give or take

1:39:16

and maybe those numbers are wrong but

1:39:18

you get the point the world has opened

1:39:20

up to us with aviation i mean you can go

1:39:22

anywhere in the world now within a day

1:39:24

right anywhere in the world uh it used

1:39:26

to take

1:39:27

it took settlers in the u.s what three

1:39:29

or four months to cross the continent if

1:39:32

you didn't die you know

1:39:34

from disease or whatever

1:39:40

again it just points towards the

1:39:40

importance of free exchange and how

1:39:42

these raw material breakthroughs support

1:39:46

network density which increases

1:39:49

accelerates free exchange even more and

1:39:51

leads to more and more

1:39:53

uh breakthroughs in a cascading fashion

1:39:58

the analogy i like there is that bitcoin

1:40:03

it kind of is like financial steel right

1:40:06

it's just the best tool for the job and

1:40:10

it doesn't

1:40:12

it just works right it doesn't bend it

1:40:15

doesn't break it just is an absolutely

1:40:19

perfected monetary technology and it's

1:40:25

it's steel but it also has wings right

1:40:27

because you can just send it anywhere

1:40:29

you can store it in your mind or a

1:40:30

computer anywhere so it has all this

1:40:32

flexibility too

1:40:34

and it can be programmed to do different

1:40:37

things and you can build different uh

1:40:39

features and modules on top of the

1:40:41

protocol and you build higher layer

1:40:42

protocols

1:40:44

uh it's just one of those type of

1:40:46

breakthroughs where it's like a raw

1:40:48

material slash network breakthrough

1:40:52

so it's a lot to think about there

1:40:55

and then finally we talked a bit about

1:40:57

the conquest of infectious diseases

1:40:59

which clearly

1:41:01

we haven't conquered all of them but

1:41:03

we've done a lot um

1:41:05

and sailor made the point that these

1:41:08

breakthroughs are the best amplifiers of

1:41:10

life expectancy ever right the

1:41:14

curing to

1:41:16

tuberculosis which killed a billion

1:41:19

people right that had an immediate

1:41:21

impact uh on the the life expectancy

1:41:25

curve which the

1:41:27

world war one and world war ii were just

1:41:28

a blip right so

1:41:30

makes the point that

1:41:33

technology is increasingly

1:41:37

more of a variable

1:41:41

our progress as it's almost like

1:41:43

technology is becoming exponentially

1:41:45

more important to us as we innovate

1:41:48

further

1:41:49

which gets us into the information age

1:41:56

the the wars which are more like

1:41:56

political actions these matter much less

1:41:59

in the long scheme of human history but

1:42:02

there's a distortion in the history

1:42:04

books right if you go to read

1:42:06

history you're going to read 99 pages

1:42:08

about world war and world war one and

1:42:10

two maybe 9 900 for every one page

1:42:13

you'll read about tuberculosis so

1:42:15

there's there's this asymmetry

1:42:17

uh in terms of how

1:42:19

important the breakthrough is versus how

1:42:21

much is written about it which i thought

1:42:23

was was fascinating

1:42:27

penicillin you know that that

1:42:29

breakthrough that increased our life

1:42:30

expectancy so much it was accidental

1:42:33

right

1:42:35

again as to love would say tinkering

1:42:38

is an anti-fragile process so it's

1:42:41

the more

1:42:44

entropy or uncertainty or randomness we

1:42:46

can introduce to the process the more

1:42:49

breakthroughs we have that can be

1:42:51

accidental at times right penicillin was

1:42:54

i think it was a mycelium or a fungus

1:42:56

left in a sink overnight right and then

1:42:58

something grew on it someone tested it

1:43:00

someone figured out holy crap holy cow

1:43:02

this thing cures disease

1:43:04

uh and infection

1:43:06

and it just radically changed the world

1:43:08

right one of the most important

1:43:09

discoveries in the history of man

1:43:11

from an accident right so

1:43:14

i think it just

1:43:16

points to

1:43:19

what we need to optimize society for

1:43:22

which is free exchange and

1:43:24

experimentation that's how we create the

1:43:27

most wealth in the world that's how we

1:43:28

solve problems that's how we increase

1:43:30

life expectancy so

1:43:32

that was killer episode i hope you guys

1:43:34

enjoyed it as much as i did

1:43:37

and we'll see you back soon for episode

1:43:39

three

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