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Bitcoin is Cybernetic Life | The Saylor Series | Episode 13 (WiM053)

WiM Media · 2021-09-28 · 1h 32m · View on YouTube →

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needs hey guys welcome back to the what

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is money show

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i am thrilled to be sitting down

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with mr michael saylor again today

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i believe we're gonna jump in first

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uh into the bitcoin mining network and

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proof of work which is this

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unique security model that secures

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bitcoin

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and distinguishes it from

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many other forms of money although it

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draw and

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uh draws parallels to to what gold

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represented historically but in a new

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where should we start michael

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you know

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bitcoin is its own self-contained

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monetary system and

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and the bitcoin system is replacing the

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fiat system

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so i think a good place to start is

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exploring

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the way that we did everything in the

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20th century with the fiat system and

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comparing the implications when you

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switch to the bitcoin system

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in essence what's the difference between

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an analog monetary system and a digital

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monetary system

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and uh i i find it helpful

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to try to to try to model the two so

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if i'm if someone said to me so what is

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bitcoin doing

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bitcoin is dematerializing

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the accountants the auditors

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the compliance function

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the information technology function the

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human resources function all the

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security function the facilities

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function the police force the military

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the function of war and the function of

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politics all of those things

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dematerializing and they're collapsing

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into the bitcoin network

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and that's

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and so on one side the 20th century

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if you want to do something you operate

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a business

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if you operate a business like i'm a

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publicly traded business i need

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accountants

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and every three months

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we close our books

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every three months the the gold standard

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of business operations

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is you close your books quarterly and

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the and you have finance people and

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accountants that do the book close

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and i've been a public company officer

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for like 22 years so i've i've done 88

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quarterly closes actually more than that

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well bitcoin uh closes the books every

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10 minutes

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right

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so you you've got an accounting function

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but instead of a quarterly close every

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10 minute close

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so then you've got this

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this other issue which is in my in the

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in my world the public company world

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after you close the books you have

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auditors

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and so the auditors look at the books to

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verify that they've been properly closed

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and they sign off on your quarterly

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results

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and then there's a 10k where they sign

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off on on the books at the end of the

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the audit process is manual and

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expensive in the fiat world

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and the bitcoin world you've you've kind

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of got triple entry bookkeeping not

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double entry but triple entry because

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the books get burned cryptographically

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and they're they're they're truly closed

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they're closed with with a cryptographic

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or an encryption

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whereas uh the books of a publicly

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traded company or a private company

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with a public company they're kind of

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open and then they sort of close with

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the private company they never quite

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close you can never be sure

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and you've got manual accounts a manual

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auditors

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and so those two functions matter a lot

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but then the third function if you look

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at like a conventional bank or any kind

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yeah any kind of fiat bank is you've got

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a compliance function

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and the compliance function is to make

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sure that you didn't enter into any

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transactions which are

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illegal or

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non-compliant or not permissible and

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you can't enter into any

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inappropriate transaction

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that compliance sometimes comes after

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the transactions are entered into

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you see uh with like arc archagos where

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you know you had ubs write off billions

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and billions of dollars

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well they entered into some

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non-compliant transactions where they

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took risks they shouldn't take

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and they found out after the fact and

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the cost was billions of dollars to

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their shareholders

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well bitcoin solves that compliance

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issue

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with the nodes

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that are verifying transactions is

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compliant and you know you've got like

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six verifications before you're sure

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it's pretty compliant

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on the first verification it's sort of

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compliant

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but the compliance in bitcoin comes from

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the the process of mining plus the nodes

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themself

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where and it's 100 percent

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what is it like 99.9999999

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certain after like the six

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confirmations

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so you get an automated process

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which is distributed which is almost inc

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incorruptible

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whereas compliance in the fiat banking

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world is a manual process and you're not

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even checking compliance of every

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transaction

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right right and bitcoin you got 100

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compliance by the time you get six

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verifications down which is 60 minutes

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well you could be six months after

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closing the quarter in a publicly traded

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company or in a bank

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think about like a you know our credit

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card company

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you know your mastercard or your visa

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and you're doing all these transactions

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what percentage of them are 100

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compliant and win

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in fact you could be six months after

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the quarter closes

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and you would still have lots and lots

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of non-compliant transactions they

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passed through the system right and

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that's that's fraud

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and and the economy pays the price on

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you go to the next level right i.t

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a bank or a money transfer agent in the

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fiat world has a big it department and a

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bunch of data centers

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whereas in the bitcoin world the miners

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and the nodes that is the it

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infrastructure so

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it's completely decentralized and

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self-maintaining and self-healing

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and it's continually upgrading itself to

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the process of mining whereas the banks

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they have to have an i.t department and

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an i.t budget and they have to

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continually invest in this or they

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become

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obsolete

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well so the fiat bank also has human

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resources department

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you have to hire people you know to to

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order the equipment to configure the

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equipment to upgrade the equipment to do

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the compliance to do the accounting to

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do the the transactions well you know

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bitcoin doesn't have a human resources

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department

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right because there are no employees

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you've you've kind of de-materialized it

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why is that interesting

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if there's no human resources department

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there's nobody

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to quit

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right there's no one to fire

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there's no one to complain there's no

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one to harass

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because there isn't a human resources

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department at all

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so you can see we

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we have we have taken all of these human

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factors and we have dematerialized them

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into the protocol

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and and the decentralized hardware

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which is continually being upgraded

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unless it isn't

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right and if it isn't upgraded if you're

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running a node and you don't upgrade you

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fall out of consensus and you just get

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slopped off the network and if you're a

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miner and you're you're running on four

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generational mining equipment

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then you become a hundred times more

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inefficient

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and then you can't mine any bitcoin and

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you get pushed off the network

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and if you

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if you're running a miner and you don't

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pay your electricity bill

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you get pushed off the network you know

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so the network is self-healing

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self-sealing

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self-upgrading in the bitcoin world

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whereas in the fiat banking world

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it requires human intervention to do all

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these things

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right oh

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complicated we're doing it what's the

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next step while security

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in a real bank i've got to have security

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professionals i've got all sorts of i.t

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security physical security people with

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people hiring and training the people

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with guns

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etc and i've got to worry about someone

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hacking into that security system

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as long as there's someone responsible

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then you have to worry about that person

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but in bitcoin the security is intrinsic

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to the network

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it's uh it's basically built into the

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protocol

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it's getting it's making itself more

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secure

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and then we get to facilities the the

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fiat bank

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has to go and have a facility in the

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middle of new york city and they've got

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a landlord and they've got a lease

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and they're paying money

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and they're paying taxes on the facility

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the facility in bitcoin

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in essence

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becomes the mining

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rigs wherever they might be

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or the nodes

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and so

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you've got a much simpler facilities

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model

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in order to make fiat banking work you

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have to have a police force

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because the next layer is um

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is physical or civil security and that's

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provided by a police force

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and um

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if you have a billion dollars in new

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york city

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you need or a bank with a billion

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dollars then you need a police force in

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new york city to keep you from getting

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mugged

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but if you have a billion dollars in

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bitcoin and you're in new york city

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you don't rely upon the police force

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does anybody know you have it but if

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they did have it

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the security for new york city comes

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from a bitcoin miner in iceland

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and so security is not co-located

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with the asset

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in the bitcoin system

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uh in fact and security is not uh is not

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related or

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that the word would be security doesn't

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scale or it doesn't uh it doesn't

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increase

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with the number of nodes of asset or the

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velocity of the asset

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in the bitcoin system in the fiat system

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security becomes a big problem

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because

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maybe you have a billion dollars and you

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feel safe in new york but when you go to

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brazil you don't

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right or you go to fill in the blank

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whichever place it is that you don't

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feel secure in

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at some point

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you're you're you're required to rely

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the police protection as you cross

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jurisdictions

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and that makes security heterogeneous

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and manual and expensive and with

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bitcoin you have the same security on a

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cruise ship in the middle atlantic as

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you have in in a vault at the in the

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basement of jp morgan in manhattan as

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you have on an airplane

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and even if you're sitting you know on a

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sailing boat in the caribbean

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and that three people have guns to your

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you've still got the bitcoin miner in

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iceland securing your asset right

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and it's a negotiation the bitcoin is

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quite secure

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it's more secure than you are you you

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know you have a physical security issue

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but your financial security

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is uh is the highest degree that anybody

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in the human race has ever had before i

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think this is a great point that the

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asset and security

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disentangled or separate

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um because it's a huge benefit to

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bitcoin is it actually has kind of this

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non-locality property

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where especially if you've properly

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custodied it you know even if you've got

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the three guns to your head in the

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middle of the atlantic if it's in a

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multi-sig done properly

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you're not going to lose custody of that

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asset and even if they take you out

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you know in theory you have a

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inheritance or succession model behind

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that such the asset rolls on to your

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heirs or whatever you determine

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you can't really do that with anything

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else um

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at least in a bearer asset form you

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always end up trusting some

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intermediary

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uh to carry out your will so that's

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that's something that makes bitcoin very

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unique

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bitcoin is the apex property and it's

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and it's the highest form of property

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rights

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it really is

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it's the only thing you can take with

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you to the grave

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you know and i joked about it you know i

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was i was online going back and forth

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with peter schiff the other day

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you know and he's saying why would

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anybody ever want to have something for

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a hundred years you'll all be dead by

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and i said well you can take it with you

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to the grave you know and and he's like

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well you take gold to the grave and i

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posted

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uh an article on on ancient egyptian

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burial tombs

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and if you go back and you do just even

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a few seconds of history

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and and do a few uh a few minutes of

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research you know that for the last five

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thousand years people have been trying

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to figure out how to bury gold with them

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they've all failed right 2005 years ago

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or 2500 years ago the egyptians created

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pyramids and hidden tombs they still had

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the tomb robbers people would break into

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the pyramids and the only reason that

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the king tut

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had a treasure that lasted into the 20th

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century was it was because it was buried

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by a sandstorm and people didn't know it

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existed

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his tomb it was lost but every other

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protected um

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tomb with a treasure in it was raided

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yes and looted yeah

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and if you give it if you pause and

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think about it a bit and if you're

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really serious and thoughtful

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what you realize is there is no form of

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property that you can have custody of

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why you're alive and after you're dead

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and there's no form of property that

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respects your wishes after you're dead

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other than

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bitcoin

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and bitcoin and the significance of that

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is not you need the money when you're

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dead that's not the point the point is

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much deeper than that

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the point is should you wish

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you know for something to carry on if if

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you want a park watered for a hundred

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years after your death you have a method

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to ensure that takes place

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you know and

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if i hold a gun to your head and i say

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give me all your property or i will

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shoot you

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with all other forms of property if you

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say no i shoot you when i get it anyway

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so the game theory says i should just go

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ahead and kill you and take your

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property

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but with bitcoin

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the game theory says if i shoot you i

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get none of it

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because you go to the death the grave

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with your keys

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so with bitcoin the game theory says i

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should ask for half

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right and and it turns out that

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throughout human history

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people have always struggled against

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governments

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you know and onerous you know onerous

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groups be it a a monopoly or the like

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but in nearly all of those cases if they

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got half they would have turned out okay

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right

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normally

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if if they kept half you know you don't

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like taxes but if you kept half of your

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stuff

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you would still be okay the problem with

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taxes is they take all of it over the

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course of some period of time right and

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you've got none

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you've got no record so you can't even

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negotiate

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and it turns out that

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bitcoin is the first thing where you can

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negotiate it and because you can

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negotiate it

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uh it's property that encourages

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peaceful resolution

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right

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and all other forms of property

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encourage violent resolution because the

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the phrase is winner takes all right

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all the other properties are winner

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takes all i can either negotiate with

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you and take half

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yeah if the bullet cost a dollar and if

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the gun costs 387 dollars and if you

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have a million dollars

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i can either spend a dollar and take it

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or i can negotiate peacefully with you

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and i can take half of it yes

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but you know the roi on that last one

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dollar bullet is five hundred thousand

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dollars right it's five hundred thousand

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a one

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and so the problem really is is other

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forms of property physical property

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incentivized violence yes

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and the game theory dictates a violent

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resolution and and it's even worse than

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that right because the person that that

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you know

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lines up 10 rich people against the wall

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and shoots all 10 of them ends up

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getting all their money and then they're

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able to raise an army and they're a

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mussolini or a hitler

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and then they get to go line up the next

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100 and then they get to line up you

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know pretty soon you're stalin

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right and uh

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the there's a benefit to the most

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violent and they get powerful

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but with bitcoin

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it works the opposite way

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because first of all you can't get all

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of it with violence you get none of it

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with violence

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and the second thing is

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as soon as as soon as i said robert come

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into my

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you know i'm going to seize all your

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bitcoin

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um then

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your answer is no then when i say i'm

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sending guys to your house with guns to

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seize all your bitcoin

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the most likely result is you're going

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to wire your bitcoin somewhere else in

0:20:18

the universe that i don't know about or

0:20:20

you're going to put a multi-signature on

0:20:23

and you're going to say

0:20:24

look you can put your guns at me you can

0:20:27

shoot me you can pull out my fingernails

0:20:29

but i can't give it to you

0:20:32

right it's like okay well tell us who

0:20:34

else has got the signature oh somebody

0:20:36

on a satellite

0:20:37

has to say

0:20:39

how about a computer program on a

0:20:41

satellite has it and they've locked it

0:20:43

up and i can't get it out and you know

0:20:47

until you release me and i've lived

0:20:49

happily for five years and then i can

0:20:51

get it out

0:20:55

how do you negotiate with a computer

0:20:55

program on a satellite right and if you

0:20:58

but if you don't want that you're just

0:20:59

like okay well i sent it to somebody

0:21:02

yeah all right or yeah you know and um

0:21:05

and now when that happens

0:21:08

the first person that attacks the

0:21:10

bitcoiner he realizes that didn't work

0:21:13

out so well

0:21:15

and all the bitcoin leaves your

0:21:17

jurisdiction

0:21:19

and so the attack

0:21:21

causes um causes a response

0:21:25

and so it's not

0:21:28

what i'm trying to say is if you own

0:21:31

if you have a hundred people with a

0:21:33

billion dollars of gold each in your

0:21:35

country you can shoot all hundred and

0:21:37

take a hundred billion dollars and the

0:21:39

game theory says you should

0:21:41

if you have a hundred people with a

0:21:43

billion dollars of bitcoin in your

0:21:44

country

0:21:46

you could hold a gun you can incarcerate

0:21:48

them all and get half

0:21:51

but you won't

0:21:52

because as soon as you incarcerate one

0:21:55

or two of the people

0:21:57

the other 98 will leave the country the

0:22:00

bitcoin is you see you will end up with

0:22:03

a country where you manage to get half

0:22:05

of two people's bitcoin

0:22:07

and 98 in the bitcoin will exit your

0:22:10

jurisdiction

0:22:12

so the real game theory says

0:22:15

bitcoin has an immune system and 98 or

0:22:19

99 of bitcoin departs from a hostile

0:22:22

political jurisdiction when you start

0:22:24

trying to seize the asset right and

0:22:27

that's what makes it the apex property

0:22:29

and in the same way that's what makes it

0:22:32

anti-violence

0:22:34

and that's what makes it a cleansing

0:22:36

technology for the human race

0:22:38

because bitcoin promotes civility yes

0:22:42

yeah so that you the physicality of the

0:22:45

property itself is what makes it

0:22:48

vulnerable to coercion effectively the

0:22:51

ideal property would be something that's

0:22:53

non-physical like bitcoin i think this

0:22:56

really gets to

0:22:57

the crux of the value proposition of

0:23:00

government and banking frankly it was

0:23:02

the provision of

0:23:04

the security for property right the bank

0:23:06

is going to custody your gold

0:23:08

government's going to secure the

0:23:09

territories so you can have peaceful

0:23:11

commerce

0:23:13

and bitcoin

0:23:14

by by being an asset that has the

0:23:17

security innate to it

0:23:19

it enables this uh radical new level of

0:23:22

social scalability so we're eliminating

0:23:24

this duplication of efforts that every

0:23:26

bank has their own like you said

0:23:28

accountant auditor compliance i.t hr

0:23:31

you've now just eliminated the need for

0:23:34

that so it's it's such an economizing

0:23:36

force as well it's like not only is it

0:23:38

creating more civility but it's creating

0:23:40

more economic efficiency

0:23:42

just by virtue of being non-physical and

0:23:44

having inbuilt security

0:23:47

bitcoin is a bank in cyberspace

0:23:49

and a hundred thousand fiat banks

0:23:52

collapse in the bitcoin network and all

0:23:55

of the energy and all the mass that was

0:23:59

allocated to running those hundred

0:24:01

thousand fiat banks that gets released

0:24:03

back into the economy to be recycled

0:24:06

and this is like this gets back to your

0:24:07

book i think where you're making the

0:24:09

point that

0:24:11

to get rich in the digital age is like

0:24:14

find a critical social function and

0:24:15

de-materialize it such that it's an

0:24:18

order or orders of magnitude more

0:24:19

efficient and bitcoin is essentially

0:24:22

dematerializing these critical functions

0:24:24

of banks and governments the largest

0:24:27

institutions in the world

0:24:28

so maybe that's one lens to view it's

0:24:31

the significance of its value problem

0:24:34

yeah i think so and i and we even got to

0:24:36

the best part right which is

0:24:39

i mean bitcoin bitcoin has

0:24:41

de-materialized the accounts the

0:24:43

auditors the compliance function the

0:24:45

operations function the hr function the

0:24:47

facilities function the security

0:24:49

function

0:24:50

of every single financial you know

0:24:52

business money money mover or uh or bank

0:24:56

it's also dematerialized the civil

0:24:59

police municipal security function

0:25:01

everywhere where where that function was

0:25:04

there to protect property

0:25:06

all property policing

0:25:08

now the the next thing is what happens

0:25:12

two countries disagree so in order to

0:25:14

protect your money you need a military

0:25:17

and if you don't have a military like

0:25:19

you know

0:25:21

fill in the blank right ask the

0:25:23

spaniards during the spanish civil war

0:25:25

or ask the ask the the french or the

0:25:27

polish people you know during world war

0:25:30

if you don't have a military then you

0:25:31

lose all your property rights

0:25:35

the fiat system

0:25:37

provides provides the the geopolitical

0:25:41

security via military

0:25:44

via war and via politics

0:25:47

and this is this is where i make this

0:25:49

interesting point bitcoin's the first

0:25:51

multinational money

0:25:54

all the fiat

0:25:55

currencies are national monies

0:25:59

gold was a physical money we replaced

0:26:02

gold with fiat and with the banking

0:26:04

system because we needed to move the

0:26:06

money faster at a higher velocity and we

0:26:08

needed to build new applications on it

0:26:11

so the price we paid was a central bank

0:26:14

plus fractional banks

0:26:16

but even so

0:26:17

you know every single money is a

0:26:19

national money

0:26:21

and if you want it to work in the world

0:26:24

over time

0:26:25

that you've got military you've got the

0:26:27

state department in politics and you've

0:26:29

got war

0:26:31

and that's that's the real expense of

0:26:33

the fiat system

0:26:35

the fact that every 20 30 40 years you

0:26:38

have to fight a war be it world war one

0:26:40

or world war ii

0:26:43

or fill in the blank in order to defend

0:26:45

your property

0:26:48

how does bitcoin avoid that

0:26:50

well i mean bitcoin is a multinational

0:26:53

network and because it's

0:26:56

it's it's challenging to locate the

0:26:59

network

0:27:01

but you might be able to locate some of

0:27:02

the miners but some miners you can't

0:27:04

locate they're off the grid

0:27:06

and and half of the nodes are off the

0:27:08

grid coming through the tor network you

0:27:10

don't even know where they are

0:27:13

the the

0:27:15

network is running orthogonal

0:27:19

geography

0:27:21

or national or political jurisdiction

0:27:24

it's in cyberspace

0:27:26

and that means that um

0:27:29

geopolitical disputes are settled in

0:27:31

bitcoin

0:27:33

but they're settled without war

0:27:36

when one nation

0:27:38

wants to um you know wants to tax a

0:27:41

certain property

0:27:43

they can tax it maybe they can uh they

0:27:45

can put a tax on a bitcoin miner

0:27:49

the might they will either put a tax

0:27:51

that's so high that the miners shut down

0:27:54

and then all the mining relocates or

0:27:56

just the network just

0:27:58

reconfigures

0:28:01

or they will tax the bitcoin miners at a

0:28:03

level where the miners continue

0:28:06

and the network just adjusts

0:28:09

so you you've got a peaceable resolution

0:28:11

via the political process

0:28:14

and you don't and there really is no

0:28:16

incentive that

0:28:17

if i actually raised an army of a

0:28:19

million people and i had atomic bombs i

0:28:21

can't use that to get your bitcoin

0:28:23

right and no one else can use it to get

0:28:27

so again the the the violence the

0:28:30

transnational violence is

0:28:32

not really

0:28:33

uh encouraged

0:28:35

right with bitcoin

0:28:37

and what we've done

0:28:39

is we have taken a fiat system that was

0:28:42

constructed to provide

0:28:45

to make gold money faster smarter

0:28:48

stronger

0:28:49

and done with the best technology of the

0:28:51

20th century

0:28:54

we have taken that 20th century model

0:28:56

and we replaced it with a 21st century

0:28:58

model satoshi's model

0:29:01

that makes money

0:29:02

faster smarter stronger again

0:29:06

but in the doing of it

0:29:10

it's almost it's hard to understate how

0:29:15

inefficiency we eliminate

0:29:18

right

0:29:19

like uh

0:29:20

if you replaced

0:29:22

all the banks all the money

0:29:24

exchanges and then half the police

0:29:27

department and ha and all the militaries

0:29:30

or half the militaries

0:29:32

take half of of that entire fiat system

0:29:37

that's meant just to protect fiat money

0:29:40

flows

0:29:41

take it away and then

0:29:43

what you realize is that bitcoin is is

0:29:46

providing that monetary system that does

0:29:49

something better

0:29:55

a million times cheaper right

0:29:55

to say it's a thousand times cheaper

0:29:57

might be an understatement but it's at

0:29:59

least a thousand times cheaper it's it's

0:30:02

a massive crystallization or a

0:30:04

collapsing to a lower energy state

0:30:08

where

0:30:10

you're able to provide a million times

0:30:12

more security

0:30:14

and you can move money at the speed of

0:30:17

light

0:30:19

you can make it a million times smarter

0:30:21

and you can do it like a million times

0:30:24

cheaper right all of those things at the

0:30:26

same time so

0:30:29

that that in itself is like it's like

0:30:31

inventing coal fusion right

0:30:33

i could take a sugar cube and i could

0:30:36

split the atom and i could figure out or

0:30:39

i could take this bottle of water and i

0:30:41

could run a fusion reactor on it that

0:30:43

would power up the entire you know

0:30:45

civilization

0:30:47

for a year off the bottle of water

0:30:50

that's what it will do to the human

0:30:51

condition yes that kind of

0:30:54

breakthrough technology yeah it's such a

0:30:57

massive reduction

0:30:59

to scarcity

0:31:01

um and you know that's really the

0:31:03

pretext for war it's people fighting

0:31:05

over scarce resources and if if there's

0:31:08

one universal i think it's

0:31:10

you know human beings could agree that

0:31:13

war is a bad thing it's the most

0:31:15

uneconomic activity we can possibly

0:31:17

engage in you know you're you're

0:31:19

mobilizing capital to go and destroy

0:31:21

capital and

0:31:22

uh you know clearly destroy a lot of

0:31:24

human life as well and it i think this

0:31:26

is a good way to look at it is that war

0:31:29

in the 20th century at least this was

0:31:31

the violent mode

0:31:32

of reaching consensus on property

0:31:35

like to decide who owns what countries

0:31:37

would raise armies and go to war and

0:31:39

draw the lines on the map and say this

0:31:41

is mine that's yours and bitcoin is this

0:31:43

alternative mode it's a peaceful mode

0:31:46

for reaching consensus it's like a

0:31:48

peaceful alternative to war

0:31:53

yeah certainly the franco-prussian war

0:31:53

was fought over

0:31:55

you know over land and world war one was

0:31:57

fought over land and world war ii was

0:32:00

fought over land and

0:32:02

the mongols fought over land and the

0:32:06

crusades were over land and

0:32:08

the french indian wars were over land

0:32:12

you could say the american revolution

0:32:13

was over land

0:32:16

it's a lot of a lot of reality

0:32:18

fighting over

0:32:20

mexican-american war over land

0:32:22

spanish-american war over land

0:32:26

a lot of wars over land

0:32:29

and um

0:32:34

if half of the money in the human race

0:32:37

was in bitcoin instead of in land

0:32:44

the property isn't the spoils of war

0:32:47

right and i think the phrase spoils of

0:32:50

war is important gold is spoils of war

0:32:53

land is spoils of war

0:32:56

bitcoin digital property

0:32:59

is not spoils of war

0:33:03

if you have a lot of money and you put

0:33:05

it in gold i shoot you and take your

0:33:08

you put it in land i shoot you and take

0:33:10

your land

0:33:11

if you put it in bitcoin my gun is

0:33:13

worthless right

0:33:14

i gotta talk you out of it yeah or we're

0:33:17

gonna negotiate you have to serve right

0:33:19

you have to serve the customer provide a

0:33:21

valuable service to someone that's

0:33:23

willing to pay you for it so it's the

0:33:24

spoils of peace instead of war

0:33:28

uh and once you understand it like that

0:33:30

you think why would i want to store my

0:33:33

time energy or my life's work

0:33:36

in something that's a spoil of war

0:33:39

exactly

0:33:41

right why why wouldn't i want to store

0:33:43

all the all my life's work and something

0:33:46

which is a spoil of peace

0:33:49

this is better every way

0:33:54

you know just a few a few more thoughts

0:33:56

on on the bitcoin model and proof of

0:33:59

work before we

0:34:01

go deeper down the rabbit hole

0:34:04

into the

0:34:05

into the engineering dynamics

0:34:08

so the proof-of-work model

0:34:11

the proof-of-work model is um

0:34:13

i do a bunch of work with energy

0:34:16

i generate a bunch of hashes i try to

0:34:18

solve the problem i solved i i solved

0:34:22

the problem

0:34:23

and then i claim the reward i get paid

0:34:26

for my work

0:34:28

um the work that the bitcoin miner is

0:34:30

doing is somewhat uncertain

0:34:33

there's no guarantee that you'll

0:34:35

actually win the block

0:34:39

but somebody is guaranteed to win

0:34:42

right what you've got is a bunch of

0:34:45

people vying for the energy in the

0:34:46

system every day

0:34:48

900 bitcoin get mined

0:34:51

a bunch of transaction fees get paid

0:34:53

all the bitcoin miners are competing

0:34:56

via honest work

0:35:05

to um to win their share of that energy

0:35:05

and so

0:35:07

the other part to the bitcoin system

0:35:10

is the difficulty adjustment

0:35:12

so as more miners enter and as the hash

0:35:16

rate increases the difficulty goes up

0:35:20

so you can think about difficulty as

0:35:24

a protocol for competition

0:35:28

and the proof-of-work algorithm

0:35:30

is the protocol for work so

0:35:33

another way to say this is uh the

0:35:36

bitcoin network

0:35:39

rests on competitive

0:35:43

now that's unique to

0:35:46

a financial system

0:35:48

right we never did it before with the

0:35:50

fiat system

0:35:53

you could argue

0:35:54

we we kind of did something similar with

0:35:56

gold i mean gold is is you do a lot of

0:35:59

work the work is mining the gold and

0:36:02

there's no guarantee that you'll find

0:36:03

the gold and but if you do find the gold

0:36:06

then you get to

0:36:07

you know you get to sell the gold and

0:36:09

you get paid for it

0:36:11

so there's some benefit and then as more

0:36:14

people get into gold mining right it

0:36:16

gets more competitive

0:36:18

one way or the other so gold is a little

0:36:20

bit like this but

0:36:22

i think that the more interesting idea

0:36:24

here is that that work and difficulty in

0:36:28

bitcoin

0:36:30

feel a lot like the work and the

0:36:32

difficulty in capitalism

0:36:34

so bitcoin is a microcosm of capitalism

0:36:37

yes if you look at every single

0:36:41

industry

0:36:43

what is the industry well i work in this

0:36:46

i work really hard to win customers

0:36:50

and i get paid there's no guarantee i'll

0:36:53

get them

0:36:55

if i launch a restaurant my restaurant

0:36:56

may fail but it may succeed

0:36:59

if more people set up a restaurant then

0:37:02

it gets harder for me

0:37:03

maybe the market will grow maybe it

0:37:05

won't i don't know there's uncertainty

0:37:07

there's competition

0:37:10

what's pretty clear is if i'm

0:37:11

incompetent if i don't get up and go to

0:37:14

work every day

0:37:16

i can't guarantee you

0:37:18

you'll mind the next block but i can

0:37:21

guarantee you if you turn off the

0:37:22

bitcoin mine you won't mind the next

0:37:25

block

0:37:26

i can't guarantee you that your movie

0:37:29

will be a hit but i can guarantee you

0:37:31

that if you don't make the movie or

0:37:33

don't finish the movie it won't be a hit

0:37:36

right so in capitalism you've got

0:37:38

thousands and thousands of industries

0:37:40

and markets

0:37:42

you've got groups of competitors

0:37:44

everybody is working

0:37:46

some people come up with better

0:37:47

technique

0:37:49

there are you know there's s 19 miners

0:37:51

they're better than s9 miners

0:37:53

invent a new bitcoin miner right you can

0:37:56

invent a new technique you can run it

0:37:58

harder you can find a cheaper raw

0:38:01

material

0:38:02

the same thing in bitcoin mining goes on

0:38:04

with every other industry so capitalism

0:38:07

is proof of work with a difficulty

0:38:08

adjustment right

0:38:11

right the difficulty adjustment is

0:38:12

taking place you know try launching your

0:38:15

own mobile phone company in the year

0:38:17

2021 against apple computer the

0:38:18

difficulty has gotten pretty high and

0:38:21

this is um so key because it's the

0:38:24

that's a great way to look at it the

0:38:25

profits

0:38:26

that emerge

0:38:28

from a successful entrepreneurial

0:38:29

venture that actually draws in more

0:38:31

competition

0:38:32

right if you're generating 30 profit

0:38:34

margin other entrepreneurs come in to

0:38:36

try to feast on that profit margin

0:38:38

that is the difficulty adjustment in

0:38:39

capitalism the industry then becomes

0:38:41

more competitive it becomes more

0:38:42

difficult to succeed and then the

0:38:44

opposite is also true if you start

0:38:45

generating losses you actually expel

0:38:47

competition you know people go out of

0:38:49

business so it's it's so interesting to

0:38:51

look at it that way i've called bitcoin

0:38:53

in the past

0:38:54

kind of a fractal of the free market

0:38:56

like it's its own little free market

0:38:58

that imposes free market principles at

0:39:00

large

0:39:01

bitcoin is modeled on capitalism

0:39:04

you could say that that satoshi was

0:39:07

creating a competitive

0:39:10

honest work system to allocate um to

0:39:14

allocate the responsibility for the

0:39:16

network and the and the rewards of the

0:39:19

network

0:39:20

but you could also say it's modeled on

0:39:22

like a you know a classic engineering

0:39:25

control system it's a first order

0:39:26

negative feedback loop

0:39:29

right and if you look at the way that

0:39:31

any aero aerospace uh airfoil any

0:39:35

airplane any control system

0:39:38

any ballistic system

0:39:40

any targeting system works you have you

0:39:42

have these control systems and then

0:39:44

you've got uh

0:39:45

servo mechanisms and and cybernetic

0:39:48

mechanisms and it's like

0:39:50

i try this i miss i adjust

0:39:53

you know i try again and you get a

0:39:55

negative feedback

0:39:57

uh in order to uh in in order to

0:40:00

converge the negative feedback of

0:40:02

bitcoin is the difficulty adjustment and

0:40:05

the and the control parameters it's

0:40:07

trying to converge on one block every 10

0:40:09

minutes right to stay on schedule

0:40:12

it's not

0:40:13

it's not unlike an autopilot if you're

0:40:15

trying to get from point a to point b

0:40:17

over the course of a hundred units of

0:40:20

and you've gone one one minute you want

0:40:23

to get there in a hundred minutes if

0:40:24

you're behind you check you go faster

0:40:27

and if you're ahead of schedule you

0:40:29

check and you go slower right right

0:40:31

right because you want to end up doing

0:40:33

100 of the work in 100 minutes and so

0:40:36

there's your negative feedback loop

0:40:38

you'll find this is built into

0:40:40

thermostats yeah it's built into

0:40:43

autopilots it's built into all sorts of

0:40:45

things in the engineering world

0:40:48

and it's built into every capitalist

0:40:49

market

0:40:52

i'll make one more point

0:40:54

bitcoins based on capitalism capitalism

0:40:57

is based on nature

0:40:59

where else do you see an example of work

0:41:02

and difficulty

0:41:04

right it's like hunting yes you know i

0:41:07

i'm a i'm a a predator i get up in the

0:41:10

day i hunt

0:41:12

is there any guarantee i will get

0:41:13

anything no

0:41:15

what happens if i don't hunt there's a

0:41:17

hundred percent guarantee i will starve

0:41:21

what happens if i do hunt

0:41:23

maybe i will be the best hunter and i

0:41:25

will catch the gazelle

0:41:27

maybe i will get unlucky

0:41:29

and someone else less worthy than me

0:41:31

will catch the gazelle right there is

0:41:33

uncertainty

0:41:35

maybe i will catch all the gazelle and

0:41:37

there's no more gazelle and i will have

0:41:39

to change my parameters

0:41:42

so in nature

0:41:44

you know the prey the predator and this

0:41:47

constant equilibrium all the plants all

0:41:50

life forms they're all working what are

0:41:53

they working to do to capture energy

0:41:55

from the from the ecosystem yeah the

0:41:57

trees are trying to get the sunlight

0:42:00

right the prey are trying to eat the the

0:42:03

leaves of the trees

0:42:04

right and the predators is trying to eat

0:42:06

the prey yeah

0:42:08

and the difficulty adjustment is

0:42:11

if all the giraffe eat all the leaves of

0:42:13

the trees then only the giraffe with the

0:42:16

longest neck can reach the leaves that

0:42:19

are left and all the other giraffes with

0:42:20

the short neck started out yes that's

0:42:23

the difficulty adjustment yeah

0:42:25

right the difficulty adjustment is

0:42:27

the slowest creature or the unluckiest

0:42:30

creature gets eaten

0:42:32

and that's good but the next week all

0:42:34

the wolves have to catch some have to

0:42:37

catch creatures that are faster than any

0:42:39

creature they've ever caught before

0:42:41

right

0:42:43

right and and vice versa

0:42:46

so you've got uh continual feedback

0:42:50

and evolution and survival of the

0:42:52

fittest in nature could we say that's

0:42:54

what we call life

0:42:55

could we say that the difficulty

0:42:57

adjustment actually makes

0:43:00

bitcoin the first money in history that

0:43:02

is adaptive to human action

0:43:05

and then if you're looking at it through

0:43:06

this darwinian lens i think he said

0:43:08

something to the effect it's not the

0:43:09

smartest fastest most intelligent

0:43:11

creature that survives is the one that's

0:43:13

most adaptive to change

0:43:16

so this you know bitcoin benefiting from

0:43:19

this whatever you want to call it

0:43:20

bayesian inference or the ooda loop you

0:43:22

know it's constantly adapting to its

0:43:24

environment that's why it outcompetes

0:43:26

all the forms of money

0:43:28

the word that rang through the halls of

0:43:30

mit when i was there was adaptive

0:43:32

control system

0:43:38

you want to build complicated things you

0:43:38

want to go

0:43:39

at the speed of sound if you want to go

0:43:40

faster than human beings can perceive

0:43:42

you have to build an adaptive control

0:43:44

system because because human beings

0:43:46

can't do it right right right tesla is

0:43:48

trying to put it into their you know

0:43:50

tesla autopilot right the adaptive

0:43:52

control system yes so

0:43:55

so the the cornerstone of most um

0:44:00

most human advance is some kind of

0:44:02

adaptive control system

0:44:04

you could even say probably the google

0:44:06

people with their ai

0:44:08

they're building adaptive control you

0:44:10

know via ai

0:44:12

machine learning systems that are

0:44:14

learning and adapting and evolving

0:44:18

all based on feedback and the whole

0:44:20

principle of training of neural nets is

0:44:21

just feedback right a training network i

0:44:24

train it i show you this and i tell you

0:44:26

that's good now i show you the next

0:44:27

thing i tell you that's bad right and

0:44:29

then the more

0:44:31

the training set gets bigger and the

0:44:33

more training i do the faster i learn

0:44:36

assuming i've got that

0:44:38

you know training to modify

0:44:40

environmental fitness constantly and

0:44:43

continuously

0:44:48

so bitcoin's proof of work network but

0:44:48

what is it really right it's uh it's an

0:44:51

adaptive control system for money

0:44:55

and maybe it's the first adaptive

0:44:56

monetary system

0:44:58

so it's impossible and

0:45:00

and what is it adapting

0:45:03

what is the control function

0:45:06

the control function is um

0:45:10

if we come back

0:45:13

our last set of discussions right like

0:45:15

what is the critical

0:45:17

definition of ideal money

0:45:20

shared immutable correct

0:45:23

ledger

0:45:24

so what is bitcoin

0:45:26

well bitcoin is an adaptive control

0:45:29

system and is targeting correct

0:45:33

right yeah

0:45:35

it's self-correcting

0:45:37

it's a self-correcting monetary system

0:45:40

for example how does gold go off the

0:45:43

rails

0:45:44

well i started with 21 million gold

0:45:46

coins and then someone you know sacked

0:45:49

the inca empire and brought back 10

0:45:51

million more now i've got 31 million

0:45:53

gold coins

0:45:54

well where's the self-correcting part

0:45:57

i don't want 31 million i want 21

0:45:59

million i just deluded the value of the

0:46:02

civilization by 30 percent

0:46:05

it's not self-correcting

0:46:08

someone made two percent more gold it's

0:46:10

not so

0:46:11

okay well if you have two percent error

0:46:14

you know every year in a thermostat well

0:46:17

the thermostat you grew up in with a kid

0:46:19

is going to fry you by the time you're

0:46:21

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0:46:23

what happens if you add two degrees a

0:46:25

year to a thermostat well it's going to

0:46:26

be 182 degrees by the time you retire

0:46:30

right your books are going to burn in

0:46:32

fahrenheit 451

0:46:34

just give it a few years

0:46:36

you can't you can't tolerate two percent

0:46:39

drift

0:46:40

much less seven percent drift

0:46:43

all of these um adaptive control systems

0:46:46

like you know the steam engine is based

0:46:49

on uh

0:46:50

on negative feedback thermostats you

0:46:53

know even

0:46:54

even uh longitude john harrison when he

0:46:57

invented launch and we talked about it

0:47:00

how do you find launch during the ocean

0:47:01

you need two clocks

0:47:03

how do i actually get the two clocks to

0:47:05

keep time when you have heat that's

0:47:08

compressing and expanding the material

0:47:11

in the clock

0:47:12

the answer is

0:47:14

i have to put

0:47:15

i have to sandwich in or wedge

0:47:19

three different layers and one layer has

0:47:21

to contract as the other expands so they

0:47:25

offset so that you eliminate the bias

0:47:28

you can't afford to have any flex

0:47:31

right

0:47:32

you need perfect like how do i get a

0:47:34

watch to run true i can't have it lose

0:47:36

two seconds a day or five seconds a day

0:47:39

i need perfect

0:47:40

timings yes otherwise

0:47:43

you're gonna miss you know by

0:47:46

100 meters right yeah right

0:47:50

and so

0:47:51

all of engineering is all about

0:47:54

error correction

0:47:56

yes and adaptive control systems

0:48:00

bitcoin is a self-correcting

0:48:04

monetary system

0:48:08

fiat isn't

0:48:10

and gold isn't

0:48:12

and commodity money isn't

0:48:15

right because there's nobody that can

0:48:16

play god you know if god could reduce

0:48:20

the number of gold coins to 21 million

0:48:22

every time someone tried to slide

0:48:24

another one in there

0:48:26

it would be self-correcting if it was

0:48:28

exactly when you lost you know something

0:48:32

or you

0:48:33

you know shaded it or counterfeit or

0:48:35

whatever

0:48:36

if you had some deity then maybe you'd

0:48:38

have a self-correcting system but you

0:48:40

don't

0:48:41

so we know we know the fiat sir there's

0:48:44

not even a

0:48:46

there's no truth to them

0:48:48

no one even knows how many how many

0:48:50

dollars there are right

0:48:52

there are two things we don't know in

0:48:53

this world

0:48:54

how many ounces of gold there are

0:48:56

and how many dollars there are

0:49:01

and there's one thing we do know how

0:49:03

much bitcoin has been created and how

0:49:05

much will be created yes

0:49:10

so i i think that um

0:49:12

taken in its entirety what satoshi

0:49:15

engineered

0:49:17

was an adaptive

0:49:19

control system for money

0:49:22

a self-correcting system

0:49:24

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0:49:25

and and ultimately

0:49:27

a natural

0:49:30

system a natural conservative organic

0:49:33

system

0:49:38

if i look at creatures in the wild and

0:49:41

they have to compete in their ecology in

0:49:44

their ecosystem all the time then

0:49:46

they're healthy

0:49:48

and when i make them zoo creatures

0:49:51

they stop competing and at the point

0:49:53

that you become a zoo creature and

0:49:54

you're fed

0:49:56

you know and you're sitting in a chair

0:49:58

watching netflix you become

0:50:00

progressively less healthy and you

0:50:02

become more fragile

0:50:04

and so all of these fiat currencies are

0:50:08

zoo creature money

0:50:09

yeah right right they're not natural

0:50:12

you know when we say that's not natural

0:50:15

yes if you think about it you realize

0:50:17

the things that are healthy are natural

0:50:20

not because nature is conservative

0:50:23

yes and by conservative i mean i don't

0:50:25

mean politically conservative i mean

0:50:27

physically thermodynamically

0:50:29

conservative right

0:50:30

nature never takes you know

0:50:33

22 creatures and turns it into 57

0:50:36

million creatures overnight if you have

0:50:38

22 and three die you have 19. right

0:50:42

nature is conservative there are

0:50:44

consequences

0:50:49

and if um you know and if a wolf eats

0:50:49

all the deer and there are no more deer

0:50:52

then the wolf starves to death

0:50:55

and then the deer come back

0:50:57

because there are consequences

0:50:59

bitcoin is wonderfully engineered

0:51:03

because a the protocol is conservative

0:51:06

and correct mathematically b

0:51:09

the proof-of-work algorithm is is a is

0:51:12

an honest work it

0:51:14

it is an open egalitarian work anyone

0:51:18

can do that work

0:51:19

i can do that work with brute force

0:51:21

energy i can do that work with new

0:51:23

machinery i can do that work anywhere in

0:51:25

the world no one can stop me from doing

0:51:27

that work

0:51:28

ergo it's an open system it's an open

0:51:32

natural system it's not a it's not a

0:51:35

closed system

0:51:37

you know

0:51:38

your your zoo creature is living in a

0:51:41

closed air-conditioned system

0:51:43

and the wild animals living in an open

0:51:46

system

0:51:48

wild animals are going to evolve and

0:51:50

adapt to an open environment which is

0:51:52

much more challenging

0:51:55

zoo creatures are going to adapt you

0:51:57

know to a closed environment what's an

0:52:00

example of an adaption to a closed

0:52:02

environment you're 300 pounds overweight

0:52:05

right because you're hitting the chair

0:52:07

watching netflix

0:52:09

and you you know

0:52:11

yeah there there are no fat predators

0:52:14

yeah yeah

0:52:16

so this is

0:52:17

then maybe the commonality between

0:52:20

life and bitcoin

0:52:23

is that each is really just a survival

0:52:25

strategy at the end of the day right

0:52:27

your dna is the collective

0:52:30

uh lessons of your survival strategy

0:52:32

across history and you know it's kind of

0:52:34

like an organic blockchain i guess if

0:52:36

you will and bitcoin is just this

0:52:37

survival strategy for money

0:52:40

uh life is that strategy propagating

0:52:43

through flush bitcoins propagating

0:52:44

through code and both of them are error

0:52:47

correcting their own behavior

0:52:49

right life is intelligently figuring out

0:52:52

what it needs to do to

0:52:54

advance itself to extend its dna into

0:52:57

the future

0:52:58

and bitcoin is adapting to

0:53:00

human behavior to extend itself into the

0:53:03

future so it's not just an analogy i

0:53:05

think that we say this thing as a

0:53:06

digital organism

0:53:09

feels pretty damn close to true

0:53:11

bitcoin is cybernetic life yeah

0:53:15

when you

0:53:16

and when you play god

0:53:18

when you design you know satoshi created

0:53:23

right there's a genetic code to it

0:53:26

and then you decide are you going to

0:53:28

release it into your aquarium

0:53:31

are you going to release it into the

0:53:32

ocean right

0:53:34

is it going to be a barnyard animal is a

0:53:36

domesticated pet

0:53:38

is it a zoo creature

0:53:41

or uh did we release it into the wild

0:53:46

and uh bitcoin was cybernetic life

0:53:50

released into the wild

0:53:52

because proof of

0:53:54

work is inherently permissionless which

0:53:58

means that it was meant to live in all

0:54:01

environments and to go everywhere

0:54:04

and you can't keep it caged right

0:54:07

right to the extent you try to keep it

0:54:09

caged then you lose control of it

0:54:13

there are there are other forms of

0:54:15

cybernetic life that have been designed

0:54:18

not to go in the wild

0:54:20

like a proof-of-stake system

0:54:22

yeah right a proof of stake is more like

0:54:24

a barnyard animal or a zoo creature

0:54:27

you've you've designed a domesticated

0:54:30

which

0:54:31

you know is kind of toothless yeah and

0:54:34

uh and maybe it's got pretty feathers

0:54:39

but it was never meant to live in the

0:54:42

jungle

0:54:43

right it's like it was like that would

0:54:45

be no fair would be not fair until like

0:54:47

like that

0:54:49

let that loose it was it was it was kind

0:54:52

of a domesticated creature this is such

0:54:54

an apt analogy too because that is the

0:54:56

only way

0:54:57

fiat currency survives is through these

0:55:00

you know these layers of legal

0:55:01

insulation if you put fiat currency in

0:55:03

the wild so to speak and let it compete

0:55:05

on its own merits it would immediately

0:55:07

collapse anything to gold or bitcoin

0:55:10

yeah fiat is another example of uh you

0:55:13

domesticated yeah yeah

0:55:16

all right guys that was episode 13 of

0:55:19

the sailor series

0:55:21

and we continue going deeper

0:55:25

on bitcoin uh this time really focusing

0:55:29

the different business

0:55:31

functions

0:55:33

that bitcoin dematerializes

0:55:36

and starting to dive into proof of work

0:55:39

and how deeply connected this is to to

0:55:41

nature and in capitalism so

0:55:45

i think the first point that came up in

0:55:47

this episode was that bitcoin

0:55:50

is actually a new

0:55:51

mode of human organization uh you could

0:55:54

say this it's kind of like the first

0:55:56

decentralized

0:55:58

company or business if you will

0:56:00

and what you have is this ingenious

0:56:02

blend of

0:56:05

you know incentives

0:56:06

business operations

0:56:09

energy really

0:56:12

production so you know bitcoins getting

0:56:14

mapped onto energy assets to actually

0:56:17

um monetize energy production

0:56:20

but also enabling that to be distributed

0:56:24

widely right via bitcoin itself as a as

0:56:26

a surrogate for for the energy necessary

0:56:29

to produce it

0:56:30

and so i mean sailor makes this

0:56:32

brilliant point that

0:56:34

proof-of-work monetary network is

0:56:37

effectively

0:56:39

de-materializing

0:56:40

virtually the entire political stack

0:56:42

that we're accustomed to

0:56:44

and this

0:56:46

this is why bitcoin i think is so hard

0:56:47

to grasp is that it is truly this first

0:56:50

principle's disruption to money but the

0:56:52

second third and higher order

0:56:54

repercussions of that are that it it

0:56:57

causes a reconfiguration in all of the

0:56:59

institutions that we're accustomed to

0:57:01

dealing with

0:57:03

and so

0:57:04

you know he starts out we're really

0:57:06

focusing on the administrative function

0:57:09

the accountancy auditors the lawyers

0:57:12

ultimately even the regulators

0:57:14

this technology enables

0:57:18

something nick zabo wrote about called

0:57:20

social scalability

0:57:22

so this effectively means and we've

0:57:23

talked about this before but this

0:57:26

effectively means that we can employ

0:57:29

these tools these digital tool sets like

0:57:32

bitcoin to actually perform the

0:57:34

functions

0:57:35

that were once only performable by a

0:57:37

human being

0:57:39

and i liken this to

0:57:42

kind of like

0:57:43

pre-industrial age right pre-industrial

0:57:45

age manpower was was necessary to

0:57:49

accomplish lots of jobs right plowing a

0:57:51

field whatever it may be

0:57:54

but gradually we replaced manpower with

0:57:57

you know like the steam engine or even

0:57:59

animal power before that

0:58:02

and this actually had the effect of

0:58:03

freeing people's time to focus on more

0:58:06

complicated aims and tasks

0:58:09

so it's this

0:58:10

you know as we as we've talked a lot

0:58:12

about this is very

0:58:14

closely related to energy so

0:58:17

we are economizing mankind's usage of

0:58:20

energy

0:58:21

where in the current system we need

0:58:23

humans we need white collar humans to go

0:58:25

through all of these accounting auditing

0:58:28

legal regulational

0:58:30

decision making processes

0:58:34

by mapping

0:58:37

i guess by creating

0:58:39

a mode of distributed consensus through

0:58:42

digital technology

0:58:44

many of these functions can now be

0:58:47

codified and performed without political

0:58:50

softness right and zabo makes the

0:58:52

distinction between

0:58:54

what code and dry code you know white

0:58:56

code being things that are much more

0:58:57

subjective whereas dry code

0:59:00

uh would be processes that are much more

0:59:02

apt for encoding uh for for applying an

0:59:06

algorithm too

0:59:09

and so this this all gets back to that

0:59:10

white head quote you've probably heard

0:59:12

me say this before but i think it bears

0:59:13

repeating and i'll quote it exactly this

0:59:17

north whitehead a long time ago said

0:59:19

that quote civilization advances by

0:59:23

extending the number of important

0:59:25

operations

0:59:26

which we can perform without thinking of

0:59:31

in other words anything that can be

0:59:33

automated should be automated if it can

0:59:36

be done profitably it should be done a

0:59:38

lot of people are scared of this right

0:59:40

people are scared of losing their job

0:59:42

to ai or whatever automation mechanism

0:59:46

but we should in fact celebrate this

0:59:47

this is innovation this is

0:59:50

in a free market if we didn't have

0:59:52

central banking say harvesting that

0:59:54

economic surplus that automation creates

0:59:57

this would be equally distributed not

0:59:59

equally distributed but distributed to

1:00:01

all market actors in the form of price

1:00:03

decreases

1:00:04

and my series of jeff booth goes deep on

1:00:06

this topic but

1:00:08

the point is that

1:00:09

this technology

1:00:11

radically increases our ability

1:00:14

to economize ourselves right and i think

1:00:17

i would

1:00:18

bet that if you go and ask any of these

1:00:20

accountants i used to be an accountant

1:00:22

by the way

1:00:23

lawyers investment bankers regulators

1:00:25

auditors

1:00:26

i can almost promise you they don't love

1:00:28

their job they might tell you they like

1:00:30

their job or they like the people they

1:00:32

work with or whatever but the actual

1:00:33

mechanical work

1:00:35

i can speak personally to being an

1:00:36

accountant is not necessarily that fun

1:00:39

might be interesting might have

1:00:41

uh some value in learning about how

1:00:43

things work under the hood so to speak

1:00:45

but it's not a lot of fun so

1:00:47

i see this technology as an opportunity

1:00:49

not only to economize human action but

1:00:50

really to add more satisfaction to

1:00:52

people's lives where they don't have to

1:00:53

do these

1:00:54

rote mundane repetitive tasks and can in

1:00:57

instead outsource that to automation and

1:00:59

bitcoin's a huge piece of that

1:01:03

and so what this really means is that

1:01:04

you know

1:01:06

this is the process that creates more

1:01:09

aggregate wealth or riches in the world

1:01:13

far from being fearful of this

1:01:16

transition from say the industrial age

1:01:19

to the digital age

1:01:21

i think it's

1:01:23

the right attitude towards it is more

1:01:25

like looking at history right where

1:01:28

going from agricultural to the

1:01:29

industrial age a lot of people feared

1:01:30

the factories and whatnot but the net

1:01:32

outcome of that although there may have

1:01:33

been a lot of

1:01:35

local discontinuities right the local

1:01:37

shoemaker may have been put out of

1:01:39

business by the shoe factory

1:01:42

that's still you know very likely

1:01:45

you have a lot of these

1:01:47

disruption events let's say to

1:01:49

traditional business models but the

1:01:51

long-term outcome of that is more wealth

1:01:53

for everyone more innovation more free

1:01:55

time so i think it's something

1:01:57

uh to be celebrated and then you know

1:02:00

further

1:02:02

that freedom that newfound freedom that

1:02:04

innovation gives us typically results in

1:02:07

people reorienting themselves towards

1:02:10

more complex aims that can't necessarily

1:02:13

be automated yet

1:02:15

so this leads to you know typically

1:02:17

higher

1:02:19

better more quantity more quality of

1:02:22

want satisfaction we have freed up labor

1:02:25

and freed up our time in the world to go

1:02:26

and pursue higher aims

1:02:29

and really this is

1:02:31

at the basis of civilization is giving

1:02:33

people this free time to pursue higher

1:02:35

aims it's kind of the crux of everything

1:02:37

we're doing

1:02:39

um so then we pivoted the discussion

1:02:42

actually into the security aspects of

1:02:44

bitcoin

1:02:46

and you know there's a deep point here

1:02:50

bitcoin is the first

1:02:52

money

1:02:53

with an intrinsic

1:02:56

security model

1:02:59

and this is something that you know we

1:03:01

talked about

1:03:02

it bleeding over into the domain of

1:03:04

banks and governments which a lot of

1:03:07

their

1:03:08

ostensible purpose historically has been

1:03:10

to provide security in one form of

1:03:12

another

1:03:15

but with bitcoin we have something

1:03:18

where the security is actually inbuilt

1:03:20

but paradoxically

1:03:22

non-local in a way which is which is

1:03:24

really interesting so sailor brought up

1:03:26

this point that

1:03:27

you have a billion dollars in a bank in

1:03:29

new york city

1:03:30

you need you have to depend on some

1:03:33

martial

1:03:34

force or political framework around that

1:03:37

right you need to trust the security

1:03:38

guards you need to trust the bank

1:03:41

administrative function their custodial

1:03:43

protocols

1:03:44

uh their paper pushers etc etc

1:03:48

and there's a lot of interpersonal trust

1:03:51

injected into that chain

1:03:53

whereas if you have a billion dollars in

1:03:55

bitcoin in new york city

1:03:58

you're only depending on the mining

1:04:00

network essentially you're depending on

1:04:02

your own custody model like assuming

1:04:04

you're in a geographically distributed

1:04:06

multi-sig

1:04:08

um the security the first layer of

1:04:10

security is non-local your custody's

1:04:11

non-local no one can take it from you

1:04:13

and then the the base layer security

1:04:16

let's say is the mining network itself

1:04:18

which is everywhere right it's it's

1:04:21

everywhere there's a bitcoin miner

1:04:22

plugged in in the world so

1:04:25

you get this interesting security model

1:04:27

that's non-local to the asset

1:04:30

and the custody model can be similarly

1:04:33

non-local when done correctly so this

1:04:35

isn't like

1:04:37

you've stuffed a bunch of gold in your

1:04:38

pocket and you are now a single point of

1:04:40

failure right one guy can mug you and

1:04:41

take your gold

1:04:44

you're able to distribute the custody

1:04:48

in a way that makes it very theft proof

1:04:50

very resistant

1:04:52

to attack and then

1:04:54

the mining network itself is really just

1:04:56

premised on individual market actors

1:04:58

self-interest so it's it's

1:05:00

one of the most reliable functions

1:05:02

um we can identify in the marketplace so

1:05:06

i guess the punchline on this

1:05:08

i would say is that

1:05:11

the decentralization of bitcoin enables

1:05:15

deep specialization in network security

1:05:18

whereas historically with physical

1:05:21

assets you had local specialization

1:05:24

right like this

1:05:26

particular outfit that was um you know

1:05:29

in both political and physical reality

1:05:31

built up around your asset to custody it

1:05:33

and enable

1:05:35

access

1:05:36

to it

1:05:37

was locally specialized right you'd go

1:05:39

to the local bank or the local

1:05:41

government jurisdiction but bitcoin

1:05:44

sort of applies this standard to it

1:05:48

and then

1:05:49

globalizes it such that you can have

1:05:51

very deep specialization in network

1:05:53

security uh that's basically just you

1:05:55

know all the things capitalism aims to

1:05:58

be in the sphere of services which is

1:05:59

cheaper faster better more accessible

1:06:02

etc so

1:06:05

and sailor mentioned this that he had a

1:06:07

little

1:06:08

spat with peter schiff about being able

1:06:10

to take bitcoin with you to the grave

1:06:15

and there you know there's that old

1:06:17

commoner frame that you can't take it

1:06:19

with you but with bitcoin

1:06:21

although you can i guess i would say you

1:06:23

can't take it with you to the afterlife

1:06:24

per se but you can take it with you you

1:06:26

could put your keys in your brain and

1:06:29

when you kick the bucket that's it right

1:06:30

you've effectively made

1:06:32

a contribution to every other bitcoin

1:06:35

holder

1:06:36

via this anti-dilutive mechanism right

1:06:38

if your your bitcoin holdings go off the

1:06:40

market then all other

1:06:42

uh bitcoin holders are basically

1:06:44

absorbing that economic value pro rata

1:06:49

but further and more nuanced to that

1:06:51

point and say that i talked about spoke

1:06:53

about this earlier in the series

1:06:55

is that bitcoin actually allows you to

1:06:57

project your willpower beyond your own

1:07:02

now this is a very formative area

1:07:04

but you could in theory

1:07:07

you know fund a certain smart contract

1:07:09

to release funds over time based on

1:07:12

certain criteria um

1:07:15

i think the way he described this

1:07:16

earlier in the series was like creating

1:07:18

a digital monument

1:07:19

or a state in cyberspace that's somewhat

1:07:22

uh self-sufficient where you don't

1:07:24

actually have to depend on the legal and

1:07:26

political framework to carry out your

1:07:28

wishes after your death but you can do

1:07:30

something that's a little more

1:07:32

customizable

1:07:33

um and efficient frankly and reliable

1:07:36

because you can actually strip out a lot

1:07:38

of the the counterparty risk or the

1:07:40

human element

1:07:42

and then further um

1:07:44

you know with bitcoin because it's

1:07:45

non-physical and we've talked about this

1:07:47

a lot as well if you follow some of my

1:07:51

it forces any would-be attacker

1:07:54

or doesn't force rather it incentivizes

1:07:56

any would-be attacker or assailant to

1:07:58

you to negotiate with you towards a

1:08:00

peaceful resolution

1:08:03

versus if you're holding physical

1:08:04

dollars or physical gold someone's just

1:08:06

going to shoot you and take your money

1:08:07

but at least with bitcoin there is this

1:08:10

inducement to negotiate between attacker

1:08:13

and victim

1:08:15

and this is a property

1:08:18

you know

1:08:19

many bitcoin proponents proponents

1:08:21

believe holds a great promise that will

1:08:25

cause

1:08:26

systems of human organization to

1:08:29

have less build up of political

1:08:31

asymmetry

1:08:33

and even serve as kind of a check

1:08:36

on totalitarianism right and sailor made

1:08:38

this point where

1:08:40

if you have physical gold one guy shoots

1:08:42

you takes all the gold he's now even

1:08:44

richer to raise an army to go out and

1:08:47

shoot more people and take their gold

1:08:49

and you follow that chain of events to

1:08:50

his logical conclusion you end up with a

1:08:53

you know authoritarian slash

1:08:55

totalitarian

1:08:56

uh outcome you know a mussolini or

1:08:59

stalin or whatever

1:09:00

so bitcoin and gold somewhat

1:09:03

served as a check on this historically

1:09:05

at least when nations had free gold

1:09:08

flows between them

1:09:10

um it would be somewhat of a check on

1:09:13

government violence but even that as

1:09:15

we've seen just didn't work so bitcoin's

1:09:17

like a more

1:09:18

effective check

1:09:20

uh on the incentives oriented towards

1:09:23

violence in the sphere of human action

1:09:26

and sailor went on to make the point

1:09:28

that even if you do

1:09:30

you know effectively assault a bitcoiner

1:09:32

or even ineffectively does it actually

1:09:34

matter

1:09:35

every attack on a bitcoiner is going to

1:09:37

signal

1:09:38

a defensive response by all other

1:09:40

bitcoin holders so if

1:09:42

it comes out that one individual is

1:09:45

attacked with a five dollar wrench and

1:09:47

maybe he was holding his keys not in

1:09:48

multisig so they were confiscated

1:09:51

all of the other bitcoiners made aware

1:09:53

of this attack would then

1:09:55

be incentivized or made aware of

1:09:58

this particular attack that worked and

1:10:00

they would there'd be a defensive

1:10:02

adaptive response right and again these

1:10:06

bitcoiners are

1:10:08

by nature very adversarial thinking very

1:10:11

tech forward

1:10:13

there's ways to anonymize this capital

1:10:16

to move it across borders et cetera et

1:10:18

cetera so the defensive response

1:10:21

by a group of individuals carrying a

1:10:23

superiorly defensive technology

1:10:27

what makes bitcoin

1:10:29

the bitcoin network is anti-fragile

1:10:31

frankly like any it it

1:10:33

it advances itself through adversity

1:10:35

even when you attack its individual

1:10:36

actors and holders

1:10:39

uh it that actually improves the the

1:10:41

defensiveness of the network overall so

1:10:44

it's a very powerful point

1:10:47

and sailor went on to describe

1:10:49

bitcoin as the first multinational money

1:10:54

so again just

1:10:55

as violence was dissuaded at the

1:10:58

individual level this also the same

1:11:01

economic dynamic holds at the

1:11:02

geopolitical level

1:11:04

such that

1:11:06

countries even would be more

1:11:08

incentivized to negotiate with one

1:11:10

another because there's less

1:11:13

carrot at the end into the stick towards

1:11:15

violence

1:11:17

and i thought this was a great point

1:11:20

so much armed conflict

1:11:23

especially between governments

1:11:25

has occurred over land right and sailor

1:11:28

named off

1:11:29

uh a whole gamut of wars that have

1:11:31

occurred over land

1:11:32

but as

1:11:34

you know a lot of value a lot of

1:11:36

monetary value today is stored in real

1:11:37

estate

1:11:39

precisely because the store value

1:11:41

function in fiat currency has been

1:11:43

compromised so

1:11:44

when money cannot reliably hold its

1:11:46

value over time

1:11:48

you're going to sell the money and buy

1:11:50

anything that does remain reliably

1:11:52

scarce

1:11:53

so a lot of that monetary premium or

1:11:56

that store value function in money is

1:11:58

actually absorbed by tangential asset

1:12:01

classes like real estate like stocks

1:12:03

like commodities

1:12:05

you can put gold and bitcoin in there as

1:12:07

and so

1:12:09

as that process unfolds as bitcoin

1:12:12

continues to monetize

1:12:14

more of that monetary premium

1:12:16

in a global perspective would be held in

1:12:18

bitcoin versus held in real estate and

1:12:22

this would actually lead to more of that

1:12:24

original situation where you're

1:12:25

disincentivized to armed conflict and

1:12:28

you're more incentivized to negotiate

1:12:31

there is a very powerful

1:12:34

motivational force here um and this goes

1:12:37

right to

1:12:38

the bottom of human psychology and and

1:12:41

game theory frankly

1:12:43

uh and so

1:12:45

you know maybe this will catch on but we

1:12:47

we called bitcoin the spoils of peace

1:12:50

um and i think i think that's a good way

1:12:52

to think about that particular aspect

1:12:56

finally we got into a really interesting

1:12:58

discussion about the proof-of-work model

1:13:01

and its relationship to

1:13:02

capitalism and nature

1:13:06

and you know i've said this recently and

1:13:09

i think

1:13:10

it's it's very apt

1:13:12

i'll say a couple things here one

1:13:15

one way to think about bitcoin is that

1:13:17

it is

1:13:18

reunifying

1:13:21

the symbol of money

1:13:23

with its original referent

1:13:26

which is work like we all know

1:13:28

instinctually that money and work go

1:13:31

hand in hand right why do you go to work

1:13:33

you go to work to earn money

1:13:35

you earn money why to pay for the work

1:13:38

of others right this is just

1:13:40

money and work are the same thing and

1:13:42

this points directly to

1:13:45

the free market emergence of gold right

1:13:47

gold was

1:13:49

analog money premison proof of work

1:13:51

model the only way to produce it was

1:13:54

through work and in fact it was the

1:13:56

hardest thing to produce which is why it

1:13:58

became hard money right that's what this

1:14:01

what it actually means so

1:14:03

the other way to think about this

1:14:05

is that work

1:14:07

is the only thing humans cannot

1:14:10

counterfeit

1:14:12

and this is

1:14:13

this is key right this is key to hard

1:14:16

money as we've just mentioned

1:14:17

this is key to entrepreneurship

1:14:20

right the only way you're going to make

1:14:21

it in this world and you're going to

1:14:22

convert a vision that you have or

1:14:27

a prediction or

1:14:29

converting what you think you can see

1:14:31

the future in a way or the way the

1:14:33

future could be in a way that others

1:14:35

can't the only way you can convert that

1:14:37

into reality and create a successful

1:14:39

business

1:14:41

is through work right the the extremely

1:14:43

hard work of entrepreneurship and anyone

1:14:45

that's ever been an entrepreneur will

1:14:46

tell you this

1:14:47

it's one of the hardest activities you

1:14:49

can engage in as a human being and it's

1:14:52

premised on proof of work

1:14:54

this is also fundamental to economics

1:14:58

all right we're constantly trying to

1:14:59

figure out

1:15:00

how to convert our work energy which is

1:15:02

say our labor

1:15:04

into greater results so we're

1:15:08

working to devise

1:15:10

methods

1:15:11

procedures and forms of capital that

1:15:14

actually amplify the returns on our work

1:15:17

so once again we have more free time to

1:15:20

go and figure out

1:15:21

uh more ways to solve other problems and

1:15:24

so on and so forth in a virtuous cycle

1:15:26

so work

1:15:28

is like so fundamental to all of this uh

1:15:32

money and work are so fundamentally

1:15:34

connected

1:15:35

and if you look at fiat currency through

1:15:37

that lens

1:15:38

it's intuitive

1:15:40

that it's it's nonsensical and it blows

1:15:42

up and it goes to zero right you you

1:15:44

could ignore or for now you could just

1:15:46

set aside

1:15:48

all the historical empirical cases of

1:15:51

that very eventuality unfolding where

1:15:53

fiat currency hyperinflates and goes to

1:15:56

and just look at this

1:15:58

deep connection between

1:16:01

the work necessary to earn money and the

1:16:05

that it

1:16:06

lays claim to or is a call option on to

1:16:10

speak more accurately

1:16:11

fiat currency is produced with

1:16:13

essentially zero work right this is a

1:16:16

central database

1:16:17

in the united states instance at the

1:16:19

federal reserve it's an sql database at

1:16:22

the fed

1:16:24

it's a one node network if they want to

1:16:26

create more money you just make one

1:16:28

entry to the database and it's updated

1:16:31

you've allotted yourself a higher

1:16:33

proportion of the total money supply at

1:16:35

the expense of all other dollar holders

1:16:38

there's no work involved so of course

1:16:41

the system is corrupt like and you know

1:16:43

we don't have to go

1:16:45

down that avenue of conversation i think

1:16:47

i've said it enough but basically if you

1:16:49

had a

1:16:50

machine that you could use to print

1:16:52

money add infinitum you would absolutely

1:16:55

do that until the machine broke i think

1:16:57

that's

1:16:58

pretty obvious um

1:17:00

and so i actually consider

1:17:03

work to be something really fundamental

1:17:05

to life you know there's this great gk

1:17:07

chesterton quote that

1:17:09

a dead thing can go with the stream but

1:17:12

only a living thing can swim against it

1:17:15

you know the entire universe

1:17:17

actually this defines the arrow of time

1:17:19

in the universe i think this is the

1:17:20

second law of thermodynamics that the

1:17:22

universe tends towards greater entropy

1:17:25

which is a greater disorder

1:17:27

uh or randomness

1:17:29

and life is the only thing that cuts

1:17:31

against that we actually

1:17:34

can we're anti-entropic so we're

1:17:36

converting the entropy that we encounter

1:17:38

in nature into useful order

1:17:40

uh and this is a really deep idea like

1:17:41

it's biblical um you know it gets into

1:17:44

thermodynamics in scientific age so

1:17:48

it's important right

1:17:50

work is very important important to all

1:17:52

life and

1:17:56

i mean it's fundamental to nature and

1:17:57

it's also fundamental to capitalism and

1:17:59

we started out this conversation

1:18:02

sailor makes the great point bitcoin is

1:18:03

a microcosm of capitalism so

1:18:08

and i've said this in the past that uh

1:18:11

i think

1:18:12

reality is

1:18:14

made up of different fractal layers

1:18:17

and basically a fractal is the geometry

1:18:19

of nature so

1:18:21

you don't see a bunch of squares and

1:18:22

circles and triangles in the world you

1:18:24

see a lot of jagged

1:18:25

self-similar patterns

1:18:29

bitcoin has this

1:18:31

free market

1:18:32

that it is itself like its mining

1:18:34

network is a free market

1:18:37

anyone with access to

1:18:39

sufficiently cheap energy can use it to

1:18:41

alchemize that energy into digital gold

1:18:43

there's free entry and exit to the

1:18:45

marketplace

1:18:46

uh it is

1:18:48

the competition is centered on a defined

1:18:51

rule set so there's not

1:18:54

there's not a you know i guess govern

1:18:57

governing body you would say it's

1:19:00

at the actual nodes choosing which rules

1:19:03

they want to run which is guided by

1:19:05

individual self-interest and then the

1:19:07

miners are actually

1:19:09

enforcing those rules through energy

1:19:11

expenditure so

1:19:15

bitcoin is like a free market in and

1:19:17

unto itself

1:19:19

in the market for money and by virtue of

1:19:22

adhering to these free market principles

1:19:24

it's almost uh imposing them

1:19:26

out into the world like if you don't

1:19:30

trying to use any other money besides

1:19:32

bitcoin

1:19:33

you're going to incur bitcoin out

1:19:36

competing money and we've gone into that

1:19:40

a lot elsewhere so i'll leave it alone

1:19:42

here but

1:19:43

the point being that

1:19:45

bitcoin is a microcosm of capitalism i

1:19:47

actually think sailor says this better

1:19:49

than i say it so we'll go with that

1:19:52

the difficulty adjustment in capitalism

1:19:54

this is a connection i've never made

1:19:56

before

1:19:57

it is the mechanism of profits and

1:19:59

losses so just like bitcoin has a

1:20:01

difficulty adjustment built into its own

1:20:04

microcosm of capitalism there is a

1:20:05

difficulty adjustment in capitalism more

1:20:08

generally and it is profits and losses

1:20:10

if you are an entrepreneur generating a

1:20:12

lot of profits you're going to get a lot

1:20:13

of attention from potential competitors

1:20:15

that will become competitors

1:20:17

as they seek to come and harvest some of

1:20:19

those sweet juicy profits you're

1:20:21

creating

1:20:22

and contrarily if you're generating

1:20:24

losses

1:20:25

certain competitors in that industry are

1:20:27

going to start going out of business

1:20:28

right they're not the the ratio

1:20:31

of revenues to expenses is out of whack

1:20:33

and they're going to get liquidated and

1:20:35

capital will go back into the market to

1:20:37

higher and better uses

1:20:41

this is very key so there's this

1:20:42

adaptive mechanism

1:20:45

in capitalism call it economic

1:20:48

calculation or the profit and loss

1:20:49

mechanism that's changing the difficulty

1:20:52

of each industry based on

1:20:55

customer demand supply innovation all of

1:20:58

these factors but quantified by a single

1:20:59

metric

1:21:00

similarly

1:21:02

there is a difficulty adjustment inbuilt

1:21:04

into bitcoin

1:21:06

whereas the harder we try to mine it the

1:21:07

harder it becomes to produce

1:21:10

and that was that's just a brilliant

1:21:12

brilliant connection

1:21:18

in my assessment so

1:21:18

in in that way you could look at fiat as

1:21:20

a distortion of the difficulty

1:21:22

adjustment of capitalism

1:21:25

because again you are corrupting the

1:21:27

medium through which these profit and

1:21:29

loss signals are propagating

1:21:32

such that entrepreneurs cannot tell

1:21:34

whether these are actual

1:21:36

consumer driven wishes

1:21:39

right if the price of homes is going up

1:21:41

does that mean consumers want us to

1:21:43

build more houses

1:21:44

or does that mean the fed just printed a

1:21:47

lot more money and people are buying

1:21:48

houses as a means of escaping inflation

1:21:52

so it gets it introduces noise to the

1:21:53

channel it distorts the

1:21:56

this adapt adaptive mechanism of

1:21:59

capitalism and therefore causes

1:22:02

mal adaptation of market actors which we

1:22:05

could call

1:22:06

misallocation of capital

1:22:08

uh entrepreneurial overborrowing and in

1:22:11

some this creates the the business cycle

1:22:14

right this exacerbates the business

1:22:15

cycle so we get

1:22:17

huge booms

1:22:18

and then uh overly severe bust

1:22:21

as a result of manipulating the economic

1:22:25

medium which is money

1:22:28

and so this you know

1:22:30

instead of working again back to work

1:22:33

what does this do to the incentives this

1:22:34

incentivizes people

1:22:36

instead of working to make this

1:22:39

incentivizes business models and market

1:22:41

actors

1:22:43

position themselves to be on the take

1:22:46

right to be rent seeking

1:22:47

uh to be deceiving

1:22:50

anything to try and get near

1:22:52

or even like to politically position

1:22:55

yourself nearer

1:22:57

the fiat currency spigot which is in a

1:22:59

in a functional central banking system

1:23:02

is basically just an infinite wall

1:23:04

spring of of stolen wealth right it just

1:23:07

new money keeps coming out of it and you

1:23:11

are able to benefit with little to no

1:23:12

work right just as a result of your

1:23:14

political positioning

1:23:15

and this causes all kinds of problems

1:23:17

right the zombie companies

1:23:20

instead of having a true darwinian

1:23:22

competition in the marketplace we have

1:23:23

the federal reserve picking winners and

1:23:25

losers

1:23:26

it just doesn't even make sense it would

1:23:28

be as if

1:23:30

you know in

1:23:32

an nfl football game right the the

1:23:34

packers beat the patriots but then the

1:23:37

nfl commission comes in and says now

1:23:38

we're going to let the patriots win this

1:23:40

one we're going to give them 10 extra

1:23:41

points like

1:23:44

it's maddening it's crazy it makes no

1:23:46

sense yet this is the heart of

1:23:49

economic

1:23:51

modernity frankly so

1:23:56

bitcoin fixes that reorients our

1:23:56

incentives away from taking back towards

1:23:59

making again

1:24:01

through work reincentivizing work

1:24:03

and so this gets us back to the goal

1:24:05

seeking function of capitalism

1:24:08

which is to satisfy consumer demand you

1:24:10

know mises says this repeatedly that

1:24:13

only the consumer is sovereign in the

1:24:15

free marketplace so whatever he's buying

1:24:17

that's what he's signaling two producers

1:24:19

to make more of

1:24:21

uh and the sailor called this

1:24:24

a first order negative feedback loop

1:24:27

so this uh or an adaptive control system

1:24:30

so this is a

1:24:31

a system that has goal seeking behavior

1:24:33

the simple example would be the

1:24:34

thermostat right i turn down the

1:24:36

thermostat it measures the temperature

1:24:38

in the room the temperature of the room

1:24:40

is higher than the goal i've set for it

1:24:42

it will turn on the air conditioner

1:24:44

as the air conditioner pumps heat out of

1:24:46

the room it will cool the room

1:24:48

when it reaches the target temperature

1:24:49

i've set on the thermostat it will turn

1:24:51

off the air conditioner

1:24:53

and so on and so forth has this constant

1:24:54

goal seeking behavior

1:24:56

toward the temperature that i set for it

1:24:58

and in capitalism that goal seeking is

1:25:02

want satisfaction of the consumer so the

1:25:04

consumer gets gets what the consumer

1:25:06

wants so to speak

1:25:09

to go layer deeper this is like okay

1:25:12

capitalism very important

1:25:15

why because it's based

1:25:17

on nature right again the nature of work

1:25:21

or we could say darwinian reality

1:25:27

and this is

1:25:27

another way to look at this right we

1:25:29

said bitcoin's a microcosm of capitalism

1:25:31

but if we invert it we could almost say

1:25:34

looking at it through a natural lens

1:25:35

bitcoin out competes every other form of

1:25:38

money precisely because it is adaptive

1:25:41

right again this is darwinian

1:25:44

life forms are constantly

1:25:47

iterating their sub

1:25:49

themselves their survival strategies to

1:25:52

be more fit to their environment

1:25:54

uh bitcoin accomplishes this through the

1:25:57

difficulty adjustment

1:26:00

and if we

1:26:03

if i take one step back here so

1:26:05

we talk a lot about capitalism versus

1:26:07

socialism you could even say socialism

1:26:10

has this capitalistic dynamic to it it's

1:26:12

just has a moral camouflage

1:26:15

where

1:26:16

you know the marxist credo was from each

1:26:19

according to their ability to each

1:26:20

according to their need

1:26:21

sounds you know beautiful and poetic but

1:26:23

what it was actually doing was

1:26:26

camouflaging the true intent of

1:26:28

give the state more power

1:26:30

to be a predator

1:26:32

on the citizens which are the prey right

1:26:35

they actually prayed on the property

1:26:37

frankly of the citizens so

1:26:40

bitcoin by being this free market money

1:26:43

it empowers people that have been preyed

1:26:46

prayed upon via taxation via inflation

1:26:49

regulation

1:26:52

any asymmetric imposition of someone

1:26:54

else's opinion into your life

1:26:57

bitcoin gives those people that are

1:26:59

being again economically preyed upon

1:27:01

this ability to be impenetrable or or

1:27:05

resistant to the opinions of others

1:27:08

and that's very important because it

1:27:10

puts us back into this domain of

1:27:11

capitalism where if

1:27:13

someone cannot get value for themselves

1:27:16

by imposing their opinion or their

1:27:18

willpower upon you

1:27:20

then they're left they're only left with

1:27:21

the option of doing something productive

1:27:23

right again back to what mises said

1:27:25

honoring the sovereignty of the consumer

1:27:27

in the marketplace

1:27:30

bitcoins is a total transformation of

1:27:32

the incentive system

1:27:33

back towards free market principles

1:27:38

fiat you know

1:27:40

it's a zoo animal associates it's

1:27:43

it's a closed system it needs insulation

1:27:45

to survive

1:27:46

it actually has to be insulated from

1:27:48

competition uh there's a famous

1:27:50

greenspan quote about this

1:27:53

where he said basically any effective

1:27:55

store of value would have to be

1:27:57

illegalized to keep fiat currency

1:28:00

relevant

1:28:02

and you know nature and bitcoin these

1:28:04

are thermodynamically

1:28:06

conservative systems

1:28:08

so they're they're conserving of energy

1:28:11

which is a principle we observe in

1:28:13

reality right this

1:28:16

thermodynamic reality operates according

1:28:18

to conservation laws right energy can

1:28:21

neither be created nor destroyed

1:28:23

fiat is just the opposite of that right

1:28:25

it's just constantly bleeding energy

1:28:27

it's an instrument that's designed to

1:28:31

trade energy or time but it's constantly

1:28:33

has this error rate or loss or leakage

1:28:37

and it just doesn't make any sense right

1:28:39

there's no

1:28:41

other system in the world where we would

1:28:43

tolerate

1:28:46

standard right if you think of money as

1:28:48

like the standard of economic energy or

1:28:51

time however you want to call it

1:28:53

it's constantly being depreciated

1:28:56

through someone else's opinion it just

1:28:58

doesn't make any sense at all

1:29:00

um so

1:29:02

the commonality here is that both life

1:29:04

and bitcoin

1:29:06

are these self-correcting adaptive

1:29:08

control systems uh

1:29:11

given that adaptivity right so if i can

1:29:13

hold bitcoin i have the most adaptive

1:29:16

superior

1:29:18

money there has ever been

1:29:20

i am now immune to the predations of

1:29:23

others just by virtue of

1:29:26

uh using bitcoin holding bitcoin being a

1:29:28

bitcoiner

1:29:30

insulates you or not even insulate

1:29:32

that's maybe a bad word it

1:29:34

gives you the competitive features

1:29:37

necessary

1:29:39

to disregard the predations or the

1:29:42

attempted predations of others right if

1:29:44

i hold bitcoin i don't have to worry

1:29:45

about what the federal reserve does i

1:29:47

actually want them to print more money

1:29:49

because i'm holding an insurance policy

1:29:51

on dollar depreciation by holding

1:29:53

bitcoin

1:29:57

and you know

1:29:58

sailor said it well there's there are no

1:30:00

fat predators

1:30:04

everyone's having to compete

1:30:06

to earn their their food and their

1:30:09

energy and their sustenance

1:30:12

there's no room for laziness or

1:30:14

complacency or

1:30:17

you know parts of

1:30:18

your yourself that aren't useful right

1:30:21

so like again you wouldn't be a fat

1:30:23

predator it just wouldn't make sense

1:30:25

natural selection would not favor a fat

1:30:27

predator

1:30:30

bitcoin is

1:30:33

it gives people that have been preyed

1:30:35

upon the ability now to have this

1:30:39

predatorial power and money right

1:30:46

just all bitcoin needs to do is

1:30:46

maintain a supply cap of 21 million and

1:30:49

it becomes a predator on fiat currency

1:30:51

because

1:30:53

as people are taxed harder and harder

1:30:55

through inflation they are naturally

1:30:57

going to seek inflation resistant money

1:31:01

and bitcoin has perfected inflation

1:31:03

resistance so

1:31:05

i don't know if you call it a predator

1:31:06

necessarily it's more like a black hole

1:31:08

where

1:31:09

people

1:31:11

will just voluntarily adopt it

1:31:13

by virtue of being coerced everywhere

1:31:15

else so

1:31:20

it's really interesting way to look at

1:31:20

it but but the

1:31:21

the difficulty adjustment to bitcoin

1:31:27

does make it

1:31:27

something that's really hard to

1:31:29

disentangle from life right like where

1:31:31

do we draw the line this is a an

1:31:33

adaptive system interacting with human

1:31:35

life coordinating human action at scale

1:31:38

out competing

1:31:39

legacy institutions

1:31:42

and you know i think sailor said it well

1:31:44

when he said bitcoin is

1:31:46

cybernetic life

1:31:49

um and it's a form of life that cannot

1:31:51

be caged which is really important

1:31:53

because

1:31:54

if it could be caged it would be caged

1:31:57

to insulate fiat currency

1:31:59

from being out competed so

1:32:03

i thought this was a super interesting

1:32:05

discussion i love the connections

1:32:06

between capitalism and nature

1:32:08

and i think sailor

1:32:11

brilliant as always

1:32:13

helps expand my thinking on it even more

1:32:15

so i hope you enjoyed episode 13 and

1:32:17

i'll see you back here again soon

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