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FYM News: Michael Saylor Explains Bitcoin on Tucker Carlson Today - full interview (720p)

Finn Kellow-Webb · 2021-12-01 · 1h 20m · View on YouTube →

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welcome to tucker carlson today if

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you're like most people you're perfectly

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aware there's something called

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bitcoin which is something called a

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cryptocurrency may have been skeptical

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of it maybe even dismissive but as the

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years have passed it's become obvious to

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everyone that it's not going away and

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it's probably going to be a central

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feature of our future is this a good

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thing is it a bad thing can you benefit

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from it and by the way what is it

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exactly you may have been afraid to ask

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that question so we've searched long and

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hard for about five years actually to

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find someone who can answer all of those

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questions in a credible way that

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non-experts can understand we think

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we've found one he is michael saylor you

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probably recognize he's an entrepreneur

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of course co-founder and ceo of

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microstrategy he is a huge

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investor in bitcoin specifically and we

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think

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maybe despite that or because of it or

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the man to ask so he joins us now

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michael said we're really happy to have

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you here thank you very much thanks for

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having me tucker so i basically summed

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up my own position as clearly as i

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possibly could i didn't know what to

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make of cryptocurrency i don't

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understand it

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i made fun of it it's clearly not going

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away it's clearly a really big deal

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so let's just start at the beginning if

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you don't mind explaining what is it

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okay what is bitcoin bitcoin is the

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first engineered monetary system in the

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history of the human race

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full stop

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so now to explain it the first question

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is what's money

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the second question is what's the

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problem

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and the third question is what's the

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solution right

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bitcoin is the solution now go back to

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the beginning what is money well an

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economy consists of good services and

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property you know i want you to do

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something for me i want that product i

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want you to manufacture something for me

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i want that house i want that land

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that's half the economy

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now the question is how do i send 37

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horses to you

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and then how do we keep the books

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balanced so you have to send me back

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money

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money is social

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economic

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energy it is it is money is monetary

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energy or it's it's the energy the

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backhaul energy that we use to trade

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with if i can send you 10 bushels of

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corn and you can send me money equal to

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10 bushels of corn then we can trade

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with each other so in the history of the

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world human beings have tried different

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monies we've used sea shells we use the

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giant stone coin or the yap people we

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use tobacco bales in uh in pre and

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colonial america we've used copper coins

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silver coins we've used stone coins we

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use glass beads in africa these are all

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types of money eventually we got to got

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to settle on gold and gold coins as

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money but gold was never fast enough as

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money how do you move

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10 tons of gold from here to there

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so ultimately people use ledgers

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and those ledgers were issued by a

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merchant or they were issued by a mayor

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or they're issued by an emperor and you

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know you can go back 5000 years and you

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can find sumerian tablets in clay where

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they've etched in like 37

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you know bushels of oats in return for

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something these were the ledgers

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uh money

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is is that

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that shared ledger of who owes what to

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and um and and a lot of times the money

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is a token like a glass b but the

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problem with the glass bead is if the

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africans use the glass bead and the

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europeans show up and they can

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manufacture a million glass beads the

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europeans dump a million glass beads on

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the africans the africans lose their

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homes and their livestock and all their

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wealth and they're impoverished so if

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you have weak money and someone else has

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strong money if they can manufacture the

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money like

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in the pacific islands they use stone

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coins some europeans showed up in a ship

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and he realized that stone coins are

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rare on one island but they're very

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plentiful big stones on another on he

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sailed to the other island picked up the

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stones brought them back to the first

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island and slaved everybody on the

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island

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i was like

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problem so so the problem with money is

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how do we keep track

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in a fair distribution of who owns a

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claim to what if there's

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if there's a hundred million dollars

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worth of capital in the economy of

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products and property and and and

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corporations and the like you have to

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have a hundred million dollars of money

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if i issue a hundred million dollars of

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currency

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it equals all the stuff in the economy

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now if i start to inflate the currency

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and i issue another 10 million dollars

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now i've taken 10 percent of the economy

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and given it to my friend that's the

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inflation rate if i keep inflating the

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currency if i double the amount of

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currency

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but the amount of stuff in the economy

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is constant

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well then the price of everything that's

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scarce and desirable doubles

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yes okay if it's not scarce and

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desirable it won't go up but if there's

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a hundred things and there's 10 times as

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much money it stands the reason that the

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things cost 10 times as much

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so money is is economic energy

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the problem is inflation

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because in the history of the world

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we have inflation when uh when the

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romans created gold coins they start

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with a certain amount of gold and they

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would cut the they would debase the

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currency right they would cut the amount

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of gold or cut the amount of silver in

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the coin and when they cut it to a small

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enough level no one would take the coin

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anymore so the mercenaries don't want

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the coin the emperor can't pay the

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mercenaries the empire topples

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if i just issue you paper

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you know whatever the paper might be and

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then i triple the supply of the paper

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eventually the currency collapses

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so the problem with currencies in the

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history of ta of time is the trust in

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the issuer

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you're trusting an individual

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right you're either trusting a bank or a

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jp morgan or you're trusting a family

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the rothschilds

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or you're trusting a king

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or prince

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or you're trusting the mayor or you're

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trusting a government

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now if we look at the modern era

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economists like seyfadina moos who wrote

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the bitcoin standard he estimates that

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the inflation rate in the modern era

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dollar weighted is 14 percent

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okay think about that

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for the last decade on average uh all in

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the world we've been inflating the

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currency by 14 per year

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now it happens that that's equal to the

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rate at which the s p 500 index is going

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up 14 on average a year for 10 years

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running

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that the

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what's the issue well

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what is inflation it's not really well

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understood some people think it's

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cpi is the rate at which a market basket

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of consumer goods is going up but the

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government gets to pick the basket i've

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noticed okay if i pick things like

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domino's pizza and streaming youtube

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videos they will never go up in price i

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can actually

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i can actually adjust the basket so i

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just pick things that don't go up in

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price

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the shape the case shiller index is up

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27 percent year-over-year you know in

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july so the price of that average

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single-family homes up 27

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homes in canada up 15 percent the s p

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index is up 34 percent this year over 12

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months

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what's the inflation rate if you wanted

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to buy a basket of desirable stocks

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the inflation rate is the s p index

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i can calculate any inflation rate i

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want inflation is a vector if if i want

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to be rich then i need to buy scarce

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desirable assets so my inflation rates

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the rate at which picassos and leonardo

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da vinci paintings and stocks and and uh

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property in new york city is going up in

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price or a house in the hamptons that's

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a high inflation rate

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if i want to be a consumer and live in

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my parents basement

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and order domino's pizza and take uber's

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and watch netflix and stream youtube the

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inflation rate will be the cpi it'll be

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very low

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you can have any inflation rate you want

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as a practical matter the best inflation

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rate for an investor

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or for anybody that wants to stay

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wealthy or be wealthy if you're

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concerned about maintaining your

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economic purchasing power

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it's the monetary inflation rate the

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rate at which the supply of money is

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expanding

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the supply of money expanded maybe 10

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percent for a decade before covet and

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the s p went up 10 a year

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you know we know the money supply

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expanded 30 percent postcovid the s p is

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up 34

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the feds stepped on uh on the money

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printer the same with the eu central

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in the western world in the strongest

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countries we see

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we see the money supply expanding 20 25

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or more per year the currency

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is collapsing it's losing it's losing

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its values being devalued

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in in uh weaker countries

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go to argentina the official

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inflation rates 45 the unofficial

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inflation rates 85 percent

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go to venezuela

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the inflation rate i mean the currencies

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collapsed 98 99 in a year uh same in

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lebanon 90

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currency collapse in a year so

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what you have right now going on in the

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world is currency collapse which we call

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inflation

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the mainstream view of inflation is it's

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only cpi and sometimes it's pce it's

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it's an index of things not including

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the highly volatile food and energy

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right but in but in what universe can

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you live without food and energy exactly

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but but it's not really good like common

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sense says

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if if everybody tells me inflation rates

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two percent or five percent but the

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houses are costing 20 more 15 percent

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and everything

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if you talk to anybody that manufactures

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anything they'll say that the prices are

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up 20 25 year-over-year

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so how is it i'm supposed to actually

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buy something how do you buy a share of

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stock that went up 34 a year when you

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got a cpi adjustment of 2 or 5

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so it sounds like the people causing the

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inflation are lying about the inflation

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classically

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i i just i just first of all

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if you define inflation as the cpi

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you're using simple arithmetic to

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describe the economy

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you can know you can't define you can't

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describe the economy and model it with

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simple arithmetic any more than you

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could describe fluid dynamics or

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aerodynamics with simple arithmetic

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right the fluid is flowing around the

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airfoil you have to

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multi-in-dimensional you know algebra

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and vector calculus to describe a

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complicated phenomena

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the economy is a complicated phenomena

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another way to say it is the price of

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everything is is varying everywhere at

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different rates all the time right right

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common sense says the price of housing

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in the hamptons is going up at a

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different rate than the price of land in

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kansas

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the price will be going and the price in

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a certain jurisdiction for a certain use

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subject to certain regulations will go

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up at a different rate than another

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jurisdiction for another use

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the problem is inflation

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inflation's a phenomena whereby

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a government authority prints more

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currency

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right and why do they print more

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currency because if i want to pay a

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trillion dollar bill i either have to

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tax you a trillion dollars or i have to

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print a trillion dollars of money turns

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out that it's a lot easier to print

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money than it is to tax people and so

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it's either inflation or taxation

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throughout the history of the world from

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roman emperors before

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ev every single coinage system every

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monetary system ever established

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collapsed because of inflation if you

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look at the history of of the sumerian

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states you know the the persian states

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the greek states the romans states

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middle east

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look at all the all the renaissance

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italian states

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look at every king of england

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if you just go forward you find every

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one of these currencies

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started by issuing i issue a coin with

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this much gold in it and then i cut it

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and i cut it and then i go to silver and

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then i go to copper and then i coat it

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some brass or some nickel you remember

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what happened in the u.s where we used

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to actually have silver quarters yeah

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and now we don't because the silver was

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more valuable than the quarter yes

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why right we're debasing the currency

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right so the problem is inflation

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and inflation just to be really clear

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what you just said which is fascinating

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is caused by expanding the money supply

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simply put

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you live in a town there's a hundred

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nice houses

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there's a million dollars in the money

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supply the mayor prints another million

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dollars distributed to the citizens

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what's the price of the house do right

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and so and you're so you're saying that

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inflation is always the cause of the

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collapse of the currency and the

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collapse the currency sounds to me like

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it's the cause of the collapse of the

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civilization

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because if

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if you look at all these wars right how

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long does a war go on it go

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in world war one every single nation

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went off the gold standard within a week

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of the declaration of world war one

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the germans the french the the brits the

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americans we printed money

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uh the money got debased there was

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rampant inflation eventually after four

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years you can print money for about four

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years before you collapse the currency

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and then you don't have any means to

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fight the war the germans sued for peace

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because they ran out of money after four

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years okay world war ii we ran out of

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money in four years vietnam

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you know we paid for it with inflation

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eventually um eventually nixon had to go

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off the gold standard because they'd

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printed so much money they couldn't

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redeem the gold they defaulted on it we

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went to the fiat standard and we just

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begin to print more money

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you'll find that throughout history and

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of course put yourself into the position

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of the roman emperor or

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the city mayor or the noble

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you you have a monopoly on the coinage

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you need to pay the army you can either

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go to everybody that lives in your

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nation and take half their stuff

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or you can just print twice as many

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coins but what i thought the whole idea

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behind modern monetary theory was as

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long as you have the world's reserve

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currency inflation isn't a threat to you

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if you print

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how would you say this if there's a

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certain amount of goods and services and

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capital in the economy and you just keep

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printing money

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you're not

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creating any more

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capital in the economy you're not

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creating any more products you're not

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creating any more buildings you're not

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creating any more services all you're

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doing is doubling and tripling the

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amount of currency so

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if i just gave everybody in the united

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states a billion dollars

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and everybody went out to buy a ferrari

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right would there be 250 million

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ferraris like

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i i can i can print the money right like

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look at venezuela look at zimbabwe they

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can print the money you can give someone

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a trillion dollar note

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but that doesn't create more stuff

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right you're just creating paper

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so ultimately

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that in that inflation it works only to

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an extent if you can export it and what

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you're doing is you're not

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you're not creating anything what you're

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doing is you're redistributing wealth

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like if there's ten billion dollars in

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the economy and there's this much stuff

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and i give a billion dollars to you

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you now get 10 of the stuff from

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somebody else which means that everybody

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else lost 10 percent of their stuff

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right

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as i inflate the economy i'm actually

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or inflate the currency i'm actually

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redistributing wealth from those that uh

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store their life savings in currency or

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currency derivatives

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in cash if you have if you had a million

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dollars in the bank 12 months ago

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today it buys you 34 percent less

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right

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the s p is up 34 you have a million

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dollars if you put it in the stock

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market you've got 1.34 million dollars

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if you hold it in cash you've got a

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million dollars if you go to buy a stock

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now it costs you 34 more to buy the

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stock if you go to buy a house in the

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hamptons it's 40 more to buy the house

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in the hamptons you know if you

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other things are going up in price your

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cash is fixed

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so it turns out that

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that um you've got some people that

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don't have net cash positions if you're

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if you're a sophisticated investor and

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you're wealthy

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all of your assets are in property you

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have buildings you have companies you

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have you have real estate you have

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collectibles you have

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sports franchises right your things if

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you're

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middle class working class you're

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working for cash

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and whatever cash you've got right

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is either sitting in the bank or uh you

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don't have a lot of net cash so

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the real significance here is

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if the dollar loses 20 percent of its

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purchasing power each year

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the value of your salary is

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deteriorating by 20 a year it's not

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falling at the rate of cpi inflation

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it's falling at the rate of monetary

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inflation

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the road to serfdom is working

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exponentially harder for a currency

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growing exponentially weaker okay that's

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the problem you're a dentist you're

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right you're you're generating five

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percent more a year for a decade i'm

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inflating the money supply at 20 a year

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for a decade

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if you save every penny in 10 years

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you'll be able to buy one quarter of

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what you could have bought today because

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the price of housing is going up at 20

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percent a year and you're just not ever

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going to catch up right because

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you're uh you're getting paid the

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currency

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the only way you can actually stay ahead

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is to grow your cash flows faster than

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the rate of monetary inflation and

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that's why the rate of expansion of the

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money supply is so critical and that

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that there's not even a word for that

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other than cost of capital the best

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surrogate for monetary inflation in my

0:18:24

opinion is the s p index a distributed

0:18:27

market basket of scarce desirable

0:18:29

products

0:18:32

money is energy

0:18:34

the problem is inflation

0:18:36

if if we're inflating at 10 a year you

0:18:38

know you've got 10 pints of blood in

0:18:40

your body will you go to give blood i

0:18:42

take a pint out when i take a pint of

0:18:45

blood out of your body you lose the red

0:18:47

blood platelets anybody common sense

0:18:49

knows you run the boston marathon the

0:18:50

next day you got a problem you can't

0:18:52

perform as an athlete it takes about

0:18:54

four to six weeks to replace the red

0:18:57

blood cells so when i take a pint of

0:18:59

blood you're not going to be able to

0:19:01

perform for a month to two probably two

0:19:03

months later

0:19:05

now imagine if i actually took a pint of

0:19:09

your blood every month

0:19:11

forever

0:19:13

that's inflation so i'm running an

0:19:15

economy i'm the king

0:19:17

yeah you have a dojo and i send someone

0:19:19

from the government and we just take a

0:19:21

pint of blood from every one of your

0:19:23

fighters and then next month we do it

0:19:25

again and next month we do it again and

0:19:27

next month we do it again

0:19:31

what do you expect your ac your athletic

0:19:32

performance to be

0:19:34

in decline yeah yeah that's the problem

0:19:37

of an of the currency which is

0:19:38

collapsing but let me tell you that's

0:19:40

ten percent

0:19:42

venezuela is not ten percent zimbabwe is

0:19:44

not ten percent

0:19:45

the argentine peso was one peso to the

0:19:47

dollar twenty years ago and it's like

0:19:49

it's pushing toward 200 pesos to the

0:19:52

dollar today they've lost 95 98 99

0:19:56

percent

0:19:57

in a hyper-inflating economy or rapidly

0:20:00

inflating economy you're not losing 10

0:20:02

percent of your economic value a year

0:20:04

you're losing 20 to 25 to 30 to 40. so

0:20:08

that's like i send some dude to the dojo

0:20:10

to bleed you every week

0:20:13

and then at some point i'm sending

0:20:14

someone to bleed you every day and

0:20:16

that's the weimar republic right

0:20:17

hyperinflation

0:20:21

not another metaphor the currency

0:20:25

is to the economy

0:20:28

what your blood is to your body

0:20:31

and economic energy or money is to the

0:20:34

currency what oxygen is to your blood

0:20:39

common sense says if i keep sucking the

0:20:41

oxygen out of the room if i suck the

0:20:44

oxygen out of the room you're going to

0:20:46

either suffocate or freeze to death

0:20:48

and if i keep sucking the economic

0:20:50

energy out of the currency the economy

0:20:53

collapses in the extreme

0:20:56

you get ripped back to stone age border

0:20:58

right when the money doesn't work

0:20:59

anymore i have to trade you cigarettes

0:21:02

for bullets right

0:21:04

and the problem with that is

0:21:06

is the economy becomes a million times

0:21:09

less efficient right if you don't have

0:21:10

money

0:21:13

now how many countries in the world have

0:21:15

a collapsed currency

0:21:17

66 are dollarized there's 180 about

0:21:21

countries there's 130 floating

0:21:23

currencies

0:21:24

all of them are weaker than the dollar

0:21:27

the us dollar is the world's reserve

0:21:29

currency the u.s dollar is expanding it

0:21:31

was expanding 10 percent a year for a

0:21:33

decade now expanding at 14 a year it

0:21:36

expanded 34 over the past 12 months the

0:21:40

dollar is weakening

0:21:42

okay it's like the auctions getting

0:21:43

sucked out of the room so tucker if i

0:21:45

told you the auction is getting sucked

0:21:47

out of the room and there's an oxygen

0:21:49

mask drops out of the ceiling over there

0:21:52

what would you do

0:21:53

run for it yeah put the auction mask on

0:21:56

bitcoin is the oxygen mask

0:22:00

the idea of bitcoin let's let's move to

0:22:02

the third place and say you've made the

0:22:04

most compelling case i've ever heard for

0:22:06

the need for something like bitcoin

0:22:09

so you're saying just to make sure that

0:22:10

everyone's following this the whole

0:22:12

point of bitcoin

0:22:13

is to escape

0:22:15

the inflation vortex that has consumed

0:22:17

all these previous empires

0:22:19

the point of bitcoin is to fix the money

0:22:22

and money is energy and energy is life

0:22:25

and if i keep sucking the energy out of

0:22:28

the economy i'm sucking the oxygen out

0:22:31

of your system either under the best

0:22:33

case you perform poorly under the worst

0:22:36

case i suffocate you to death or freeze

0:22:38

you to death that's the problem that's

0:22:41

why that's why empires collapse

0:22:44

that's why economies collapse and the

0:22:46

problem it's not just a problem for an

0:22:48

individual it's not just a problem for a

0:22:50

family it's a problem for every

0:22:52

institution it's problem for every

0:22:53

company it's a problem for every city

0:22:55

every municipality every government

0:22:57

every civilization they all have this

0:22:59

problem and you can generally trace the

0:23:02

problem to

0:23:04

i i fought a war i couldn't afford to

0:23:07

fight

0:23:09

and i paid for it with money i didn't

0:23:12

yeah right

0:23:14

if you

0:23:15

you declare war on covid you've got a

0:23:18

war you declare war in vietnam you

0:23:20

declare a war on fill in the blank every

0:23:23

history is full of wars

0:23:25

if i had to fight them with taxes

0:23:28

then eventually my population would say

0:23:30

no more we don't want to pay the tax if

0:23:32

i fight them by inflating the coinage

0:23:35

then i get a couple years two three four

0:23:37

years before people realize it

0:23:38

eventually i just collapsed the currency

0:23:42

money is essential to civilization

0:23:46

the problem is inflation and why does it

0:23:48

happen it's a natural human condition

0:23:50

because as you have an authority that

0:23:52

controls the money the temptation to

0:23:55

inflate the money supply is

0:23:57

is omnipresent and and inescapable and

0:24:00

every civilization has suffered from it

0:24:02

at one point in time what is bitcoin

0:24:06

well bitcoin is the world's first

0:24:08

engineered monetary system and what

0:24:10

happened is a set of engineers nameless

0:24:13

engineers

0:24:14

recoiled in horror

0:24:16

after the great financial crisis with

0:24:19

all the bank bailouts and they looked

0:24:20

and they said this just isn't fair it

0:24:22

isn't right

0:24:24

we want to create a better money and

0:24:26

they used two technologies they use the

0:24:28

internet

0:24:29

the idea that i could internet i could

0:24:31

network hundreds of thousands or

0:24:33

millions of computers

0:24:34

and they used cryptography the idea that

0:24:37

i could cryptographically sign something

0:24:40

so that it could not be tampered with

0:24:42

with anyone friend or foe

0:24:45

and using those two technologies they

0:24:48

conceptualized

0:24:50

the idea of an immutable ledger

0:24:53

if you will a bank in cyberspace

0:24:57

what if a hundred people got together a

0:24:59

hundred people with money got together

0:25:00

and they said we're going to create a

0:25:01

bank in cyberspace

0:25:03

and um

0:25:05

we want to put our money there and we

0:25:08

don't trust each other

0:25:09

we don't trust the government we don't

0:25:11

trust any

0:25:12

corporation we don't even trust any one

0:25:15

computer

0:25:16

so we create a program that keeps track

0:25:19

of a ledger

0:25:20

21 million coins

0:25:22

or shares in the bank divided divisible

0:25:26

by a hundred million called this down to

0:25:28

a satoshi so 2.1 quadrillion satoshi's

0:25:32

you don't have to know that all you need

0:25:34

to know is there's 21 million coin units

0:25:38

you can't make any more and they wanted

0:25:40

to create a credit so that they could um

0:25:44

they could send their money to each

0:25:46

other to anybody in the network

0:25:49

they could store it for a thousand years

0:25:51

10 000 years a million years forever

0:25:54

and they don't have to trust anybody

0:25:58

they created this idea of of um bitcoin

0:26:02

it's an asset

0:26:04

that's protected by cryptography

0:26:07

and it's stored on a ledger

0:26:10

software the software administers the

0:26:13

ledger

0:26:14

the twist is

0:26:17

we distributed the software on thousands

0:26:19

and thousands of separate computers

0:26:21

every com every bitcoin node is running

0:26:24

a copy of the ledger so everybody in the

0:26:27

world that that has their money in the

0:26:29

bank has a copy of all of uh the money

0:26:33

in the bank and all the transactions

0:26:35

since the beginning of time

0:26:36

so it's the immutable truth

0:26:40

every 10 minutes the system

0:26:43

takes a batches a set of contra of

0:26:45

transactions and then redistributes the

0:26:47

money based upon

0:26:49

upon the instructions of the owners if i

0:26:51

want to send you my bitcoin i send it

0:26:53

and it goes to you and every single

0:26:54

computer in the network updates that and

0:26:57

they all check it cryptographically

0:26:59

using using uh modern encryption

0:27:02

now how do we defend the network

0:27:05

there there's

0:27:07

there's really three nodes of interest

0:27:09

to make this uh compelling the first

0:27:12

node is that bitcoin node that keeps

0:27:13

track of that ledger it's the most

0:27:15

secure uh database in the world and it's

0:27:18

a database of immutable truth it's a

0:27:20

it's the ledger of money the second node

0:27:22

is a minor it's uh it's um

0:27:26

a sha-256 or it's an encrypting miner

0:27:29

that's generating hash functions to

0:27:31

protect the network and there are

0:27:33

millions of them and they're all

0:27:35

competing with each other to build the

0:27:37

next block

0:27:38

there's only one out of two million

0:27:40

involved in this network it's like every

0:27:42

every miner gives you a lottery ticket

0:27:44

and one of the two million will get to

0:27:46

build an xbox and we'll get paid a lot

0:27:48

of money like three hundred thousand

0:27:50

dollars and you don't know which one

0:27:52

so the miners are a wall of encrypted

0:27:55

energy

0:27:56

they're converting electricity into

0:27:58

hashes and then inside that wall of

0:28:00

electricity or wall of energy

0:28:03

is the bitcoin ledger which is

0:28:06

distributed in a decentralized fashion

0:28:09

and there's one other interesting node

0:28:11

called a lightning node this is a layer

0:28:13

2 decentralized system this is

0:28:15

decentralized payments it'll move small

0:28:18

amounts of bitcoin at the speed of light

0:28:20

programmatically almost for free okay

0:28:25

bitcoin is a decentralized

0:28:28

it's a decentralized piece of software

0:28:30

the brilliance of it is it's a bank and

0:28:32

cyberspace that nobody controls

0:28:35

nobody can corrupt

0:28:36

it's it it's a bank run by incorruptable

0:28:40

software offering a global

0:28:42

affordable simple

0:28:45

secure

0:28:46

savings account

0:28:48

for everybody on earth

0:28:49

that has neither the means nor the

0:28:52

inclination to run their own hedge fund

0:28:55

you have some money you have life

0:28:57

savings you simply don't want to lose it

0:28:59

you want to put it in a bank

0:29:01

so bitcoin is that bank and cyber space

0:29:04

these engineers came up with this idea

0:29:06

what are the engineers well we don't

0:29:08

know we know some of them they're the

0:29:10

cypherpunks they were they were into

0:29:11

cryptography

0:29:13

uh the most important of them was

0:29:15

satoshi who we don't know who it was

0:29:17

satoshi wrote the white paper created

0:29:19

the first version of bitcoin gave it to

0:29:21

the rest

0:29:22

and initially there wasn't any money in

0:29:25

the network they just ran it for a year

0:29:27

as a hobby

0:29:28

right um

0:29:29

and then over time there was a famous

0:29:32

famous transaction where somebody bought

0:29:34

uh a pizza

0:29:36

right for like 10 000 bitcoin

0:29:39

one pizza and uh and that was the first

0:29:41

transaction and then the network

0:29:43

gradually began to monetize as people

0:29:45

bought into the network

0:29:47

and so

0:29:48

it was it's like a fire in cyber space

0:29:51

should we be nervous that we don't know

0:29:52

the identity of the founder

0:29:54

no i don't think we should be nervous we

0:29:56

should be joyful because

0:29:58

for bitcoin to work it needs to be money

0:30:00

of the people it needs to be not

0:30:02

controlled by any individual it needs to

0:30:04

be not under the thumb of a founder or

0:30:06

corporation or one strong holder the

0:30:09

most important thing satoshi did was he

0:30:12

created this gift he gave it to the

0:30:14

world

0:30:15

i assume he some people think she some

0:30:17

people think it's multiple people

0:30:19

but satoshi gave this gift to the wall

0:30:21

and disappeared and uh and satoshi mined

0:30:24

about a million coins getting it started

0:30:26

but they never those coins never moved

0:30:29

never they've never been moved satoshi's

0:30:31

never appeared again and then the

0:30:33

network was was in essence a community

0:30:36

development all around the world for the

0:30:39

next decade and it's simply grown from

0:30:42

a million dollars in the bank to 10

0:30:45

million to 100 million to a billion to

0:30:47

10 billion

0:30:49

to 100 billion

0:30:50

in march of uh our second quarter of

0:30:53

2020 was about 180 billion dollars in

0:30:56

this network and that's where i got

0:30:57

involved i was late

0:30:59

but when i got involved what i saw was

0:31:03

uh i saw

0:31:06

an engineered monetary asset a digital

0:31:09

gold if you will sitting on an open big

0:31:13

tech monetary network and i said

0:31:18

this is an economic imperative because

0:31:20

this solves the problem of inflation for

0:31:22

a corporation with lots of cash

0:31:25

i had a lot of cash and it was i thought

0:31:27

i was going to lose all of it if i

0:31:29

didn't invest in something and i said it

0:31:31

is also

0:31:33

a moral imperative

0:31:34

this is a technology to give property

0:31:37

rights to 8 billion people on the planet

0:31:39

that don't have property rights right

0:31:41

bitcoin is the highest form of property

0:31:44

the human race has has ever invented and

0:31:46

i'll explain why in a second

0:31:48

there's two billion people don't have a

0:31:50

right you can give everybody on the

0:31:52

planet a bank and property rights that

0:31:55

that cannot be corrupted and cannot be

0:31:58

inflated and confiscated you can give it

0:32:00

to them for the price of a free download

0:32:02

on android

0:32:03

on if you've got a 50 phone and you can

0:32:06

download some software you can have your

0:32:08

own bank your own property rights your

0:32:10

own economic freedom and economic

0:32:12

empowerment so it's a moral imperative

0:32:14

and then finally it's a technical

0:32:16

imperative

0:32:17

you're talking about the digital

0:32:18

transformation of everything else the

0:32:21

digital transformation of property of

0:32:23

gold of banks the digital transformation

0:32:26

of war the digital transformation of

0:32:29

government of security it's a it's a

0:32:32

deep idea

0:32:34

but in essence what we're

0:32:37

if the economy's got

0:32:39

500 trillion dollars worth of property

0:32:42

and corporations and stuff in it

0:32:46

well digital digital property is capital

0:32:49

is money is worth that amount it's worth

0:32:51

half of everything right and so

0:32:54

we never figured out how to digitally

0:32:56

transform money or digitally transform

0:32:59

capital

0:33:00

we did digitally transform photos and

0:33:03

videos in education and books

0:33:05

and relationships and communications

0:33:07

right

0:33:08

and you know the secret to success of

0:33:11

google and amazon and apple and facebook

0:33:13

is the digital transformation of

0:33:15

entertainment and education and

0:33:17

communications but think about what it

0:33:19

means to digitally transform 10 trillion

0:33:22

dollars of gold or a hundred trillion

0:33:24

dollars of property

0:33:26

or a hundred trillion dollars of

0:33:27

currency

0:33:30

these engineers they wanted to solve

0:33:32

that problem and of course

0:33:35

here's the big there's so many big ideas

0:33:37

one is

0:33:38

it was engineered to be a digital goal

0:33:40

with none of gold's defects

0:33:42

21 million coins but you can't make any

0:33:45

more the problem with gold is gold

0:33:47

miners inflate the gold supply

0:33:49

and gold bankers inflate the gold paper

0:33:52

supply they dump gold derivatives on the

0:33:55

market

0:33:56

with every other asset on earth anything

0:33:59

else you can own houses gold silver

0:34:01

commodities stocks bonds

0:34:04

when the price goes up

0:34:06

the supply increases

0:34:08

if i increase the supply the price of of

0:34:11

any stock by a factor of 10 the company

0:34:13

issues more stock of course

0:34:15

if i buy all the bonds all the municipal

0:34:17

bonds

0:34:18

the price of bonds go up people issue

0:34:20

more bonds

0:34:21

right if i drive up the price of gold by

0:34:24

a factor of 10 people print more gold or

0:34:26

mine more gold

0:34:28

bitcoin's the only thing in the world

0:34:30

that's inelastic to price if the price

0:34:32

of bitcoin triples you can't make any

0:34:34

more if the price goes up by a factor of

0:34:36

a million you can't make any more now so

0:34:39

let me get tucker let me just give you

0:34:41

one more engineering insight

0:34:44

in engineering

0:34:45

there's something called conservation of

0:34:47

energy yes and the whole point of

0:34:49

conservation of energy is is energy can

0:34:51

either be made or destroyed there must

0:34:53

be conservation of it

0:34:56

the mathematical

0:34:58

metaphor the mathematical analogy to

0:35:00

that is proper math 10 plus 10 equals

0:35:03

20. 2 plus 2 equals 4.

0:35:06

if 10 plus 10 ever starts to equal 18

0:35:09

starts equaling 18

0:35:11

you've got a problem yeah if you have a

0:35:13

bathtub and there's a leak if you have a

0:35:16

swimming pool with a leak if i have

0:35:17

electric system with a short circuit

0:35:20

if i have if i have a leak in my

0:35:22

engineering system nothing works nothing

0:35:26

in the world of ocean engineering

0:35:28

aeronautical engineering electrical

0:35:29

engineering nothing works lest you

0:35:32

unless you respect conservation of

0:35:34

energy

0:35:35

the problem with inflation is inflation

0:35:37

does not respect conservation of energy

0:35:40

i'm i've got a leak in the system i've

0:35:43

designed a currency which is not

0:35:45

conservative

0:35:47

so properly understood if you said i

0:35:49

want a conservative money supply

0:35:51

a conservative money supply would be

0:35:53

there's a

0:35:54

10 billion dollars in the economy and

0:35:56

nobody prints anymore right and if you

0:35:58

and that's the austrian economic sound

0:36:01

money principle

0:36:03

bitcoin is a conservative monetary

0:36:06

system it's the first system that

0:36:08

respects the laws of thermodynamics and

0:36:10

the laws of physics and the laws of math

0:36:13

which means it is true

0:36:15

and pure

0:36:16

right it has integrity

0:36:19

if you have integrity

0:36:21

if you have something which is true and

0:36:22

pure and you have durability

0:36:26

you can build a family around it a life

0:36:28

around it a company around it

0:36:30

or civilization around it

0:36:38

steel is concentrated energy and

0:36:38

metallic form you ever walk in a steel

0:36:40

power steel plant and you look at the

0:36:42

energy going into steel refining

0:36:44

it's concentrated energy

0:36:46

the history of

0:36:48

the human race is the civilization that

0:36:51

channels energy most effectively always

0:36:52

wins steel trumps iron iron trumps

0:36:56

bronze bronze trumps

0:36:58

rocks

0:36:59

bows and arrows trump the guy with the

0:37:01

spear the guy with the spear beats the

0:37:03

guy with the knife it's always a matter

0:37:05

if you have air power you beat land

0:37:07

power sea power beats the beats the army

0:37:10

and nuclear power trumps everybody

0:37:13

and uh and so

0:37:15

if i have steel i have concentrated

0:37:17

metallic energy i can create a

0:37:19

skyscraper punched up 100 stories in

0:37:22

new york how long will it last 100 years

0:37:25

how long will a steel ship last longer

0:37:27

than you will last as long as it doesn't

0:37:29

corrode

0:37:30

wooden ships

0:37:31

not so much

0:37:33

wooden ships rot

0:37:34

right you want to build a building to

0:37:38

and punch it up against gravity and hold

0:37:40

it a hundred years you need concentrated

0:37:42

energy if you want to build

0:37:45

a trust fund that'll last a hundred

0:37:47

years

0:37:49

how do you save how do you save a

0:37:51

hundred thousand dollars for a hundred

0:37:52

years and give it to your great

0:37:53

grandkids

0:37:55

you put in the u.s dollar use 99

0:37:58

of your economic energy if you're maybe

0:38:02

you put in gold gold supply doubles

0:38:05

every 30 years the gold bankers keep

0:38:06

inflating the gold maybe you lose 90 of

0:38:09

your economic energy but that would be a

0:38:11

lucky happenstance because

0:38:14

just about every country on earth sees

0:38:16

the goal from their citizens the last

0:38:18

hundred years everybody even the u.s

0:38:20

they take your goal yeah so you want to

0:38:22

save money for 100 years you can't do it

0:38:24

with the currency you can't deal with

0:38:26

gold which company is going to be around

0:38:27

100 years

0:38:29

you want to you want to put 100 000 into

0:38:31

real estate in florida can you buy a

0:38:33

hundred thousand dollars let's say you

0:38:34

could

0:38:35

two percent tax

0:38:37

two percent maintenance four percent

0:38:39

maintenance fee four percent of a

0:38:41

hundred thousand four thousand dollars a

0:38:43

half-life like

0:38:45

your money's not going to last 100 years

0:38:47

how do i preserve my property which is

0:38:50

economic energy which is capital which

0:38:53

is money how do i preserve that

0:38:56

i need something harder

0:38:58

harder right more durable i need a steel

0:39:02

i need an economic steel

0:39:04

steel is concentrated metallic energy

0:39:08

bitcoin is concentrated digital energy

0:39:13

it's it's energy in digital form

0:39:16

it's vacuum-packed food it's something

0:39:19

sitting in uh

0:39:21

in orbit right

0:39:23

right

0:39:28

i eliminated the friction

0:39:28

on energy what's the half-life of energy

0:39:32

if i take a megawatt of power and i sell

0:39:34

it at 12 cents

0:39:36

a kilowatt hour i have about a million

0:39:38

bucks okay i'll give you a million

0:39:40

dollars of electricity how long can you

0:39:42

hold it in a battery you lose two

0:39:43

percent a month

0:39:45

you can't hold it very long you can lose

0:39:47

20 24

0:39:49

depletion rate and a battery of

0:39:51

electricity how do you send a million

0:39:53

dollars of electricity from new york to

0:39:54

tokyo

0:39:55

you can't you can send electricity 500

0:39:58

miles over a power line you'll lose 6

0:40:00

percent send it 10 times you'll lose 60

0:40:02

percent

0:40:03

it doesn't move

0:40:05

convert that energy that electricity

0:40:08

into digital energy a la bitcoin you

0:40:11

upgrade it

0:40:12

if you were to convert a megawatt of

0:40:14

power via bitcoin miner into bitcoin

0:40:17

you'd have about five million dollars

0:40:19

worth of bitcoin you can hold it forever

0:40:21

you can send it to tokyo for a nickel

0:40:24

okay you can put it in a trust fund

0:40:28

right

0:40:29

bitcoin's going up 170 a year for a

0:40:31

decade the s p 500 index is going up 14

0:40:35

a year on average for a decade gold is

0:40:38

flat it's not going anywhere it's

0:40:39

getting demonetized it's a dead rock and

0:40:42

a basement it's not fast enough you

0:40:44

can't put gold on an iphone

0:40:46

gold's getting depleted inflated and

0:40:47

manipulated away by the bankers and the

0:40:50

miners

0:40:53

bitcoin is simply

0:40:54

pure economic energy these engineers

0:40:58

satoshi and all of satoshi's compatriots

0:41:02

what they did is created uh an

0:41:05

engineered monetary asset on an open

0:41:09

permissionless network

0:41:11

that anybody could participate in

0:41:14

any country

0:41:15

any company any individual

0:41:18

you don't need a bank you don't need to

0:41:19

ask permission

0:41:21

right it is it is the ultimate

0:41:23

egalitarian

0:41:25

system

0:41:26

if you want to give property rights to

0:41:29

everybody in africa and south america

0:41:31

even in the face of a hostile regime you

0:41:34

can do it with a fifty dollar android

0:41:36

phone and a simple download

0:41:39

what's your next best idea

0:41:41

go to zimbabwe

0:41:43

okay you have a hundred bucks

0:41:45

how are you gonna store the hundred

0:41:46

dollars one more metaphor

0:41:50

if you can't store property if you have

0:41:52

no property rights that means you can't

0:41:54

store economic energy if i took away

0:41:56

every dime from your family

0:41:59

and you got up tomorrow you'd be worried

0:42:01

you'd lose your job you're going to go

0:42:02

hungry right you need money you've got a

0:42:04

bank you're in the western world you

0:42:06

have western privilege lucky you you

0:42:08

have stocks

0:42:10

if you have stocks they go up 34 a year

0:42:12

maybe you're keeping ahead of the

0:42:14

inflation rate if i take away your

0:42:16

stocks and you have to store in in

0:42:18

currency well now you can't stay ahead

0:42:21

if i take away your bank you can't even

0:42:23

have the currency what if the dollar is

0:42:25

not the worst currency the dollar is the

0:42:26

best currency if i put you in zimbabwe

0:42:30

you know

0:42:31

it's much worse if you're in argentina

0:42:33

you lost 40 to 60 percent of your

0:42:35

purchasing power this year

0:42:36

if you're in if you're in venezuela much

0:42:38

worse so what does it mean

0:42:41

uh to not have property rights and did

0:42:43

not have a strong currency it's like

0:42:45

being a type 1 diabetic

0:42:47

if you're type 1 diabetic you can't form

0:42:49

insulin insulin converts excess

0:42:52

nutritional energy into fat

0:42:54

fat is an organic battery

0:42:57

fat will keep you alive 90 days without

0:42:59

food if you can't form fat you can eat

0:43:02

continuously non-stop and you will

0:43:04

starve to death

0:43:06

diabetes before insulin was invented was

0:43:08

a death sentence

0:43:10

if you live in a country with a

0:43:12

collapsed currency

0:43:14

you're a di economic diabetic

0:43:17

in the two weeks after you lose your job

0:43:19

you can't feed your family you can't

0:43:21

feed yourself you can't plan for the

0:43:23

future

0:43:24

so now we're back to what's the basis of

0:43:26

civilization and what's the basis of

0:43:29

of virtue in a society

0:43:32

you've got to be able to plan for the

0:43:33

future you've got to look out 10 years

0:43:36

and believe that you can provide for

0:43:38

your family what's the point of

0:43:39

investing in something if you think that

0:43:42

everything's going to hell in five years

0:43:44

or 10 years

0:43:46

how did i get into bitcoin i had a

0:43:48

company with 500 million dollars in cash

0:43:51

earning zero percent interest i heard

0:43:53

the banker say we're not even thinking

0:43:54

about thinking about raising interest

0:43:56

rates i saw a k-shaped recovery where

0:43:58

everybody on wall street got 30 percent

0:44:00

richer doing nothing in a year where

0:44:02

everybody on main street had to work 30

0:44:04

harder to stay still

0:44:05

that's what i saw last year if you're on

0:44:08

wall street with a billion dollars you

0:44:09

ended the year with a billion three

0:44:11

if you're on main street working for a

0:44:13

living selling something by the sweat of

0:44:16

your brow you had to raise your prices

0:44:17

30 percent working harder in order to

0:44:20

generate 30 more money to buy the same

0:44:22

thing you could have bought before the

0:44:23

crisis

0:44:25

what i saw was

0:44:27

two thousand people in my company

0:44:29

working hard doing a hundred thousand

0:44:31

things right every year could make fifty

0:44:33

million dollars

0:44:34

and the money in the bank was going to

0:44:36

lose 100 million dollars a year in value

0:44:38

doing nothing

0:44:41

we were running as hard as we could and

0:44:42

going backwards

0:44:44

right

0:44:46

that's the problem it's like uh

0:44:48

you're in a boat

0:44:49

you're rowing across you're in a rowboat

0:44:51

you're going across the water and the

0:44:53

wind starts blowing in your face

0:44:56

and now you're getting blown backwards

0:44:58

you're going to row harder the wind is

0:45:00

the monetary inflation rate right right

0:45:02

when it at ten percent wind is hard when

0:45:05

it got to twenty percent when who can

0:45:06

grow their cash flows twenty five

0:45:08

percent a year

0:45:09

who can do it a monopoly a digital tech

0:45:12

monopoly might but i mean nobody else

0:45:14

can dentists can't doctor can't

0:45:17

normal people can't normal company can't

0:45:20

so the wind starts blowing double and

0:45:22

triple in your face you're rowing you're

0:45:24

not going to get across the atlantic

0:45:26

you're going to die on that row boat so

0:45:27

what do you do

0:45:29

turn the boat around

0:45:31

put up a sale

0:45:32

sale with the win

0:45:34

yeah that's what i did so make a let me

0:45:36

give you an economic short story here

0:45:39

the company's worth a billion dollars

0:45:41

this is a micro strategy we've got a 500

0:45:43

million dollar software company that

0:45:45

generates 50 75 million a year in cash

0:45:48

we have 500 million dollars in the bank

0:45:51

we're valued at one times revenue plus

0:45:53

the cash

0:45:54

and the cash is going to lose 20 30

0:45:56

percent of its value so i'm looking at

0:45:58

losing a hundred million dollars a year

0:46:01

150 million i'm doing nothing just

0:46:02

sitting there just sitting there doing

0:46:03

nothing

0:46:05

well so what do i do i said well i'm

0:46:07

going to buy something so i went and i

0:46:09

bought bitcoin i bought 250 million

0:46:11

dollars worth of it

0:46:12

and then i did it i i offered to buy

0:46:14

back 250 million dollars in my stock

0:46:16

because if my shareholders didn't like

0:46:18

the idea i figured i'd buy them out at a

0:46:20

premium

0:46:22

after the buyback i had another 175

0:46:24

million dollars left i bought more

0:46:26

bitcoin we had 425 million dollars of

0:46:28

bitcoin

0:46:29

when i started this journey tucker the

0:46:31

stock was 120 a share

0:46:34

we bought out our our limited partners

0:46:36

we bought our shareholders 140 a share

0:46:38

that didn't like the idea

0:46:40

the stock traded up bitcoin traded up we

0:46:43

doubled our initial uh our initial

0:46:45

investment the stock kept going up and

0:46:48

then i looked and i said i'm just going

0:46:49

to borrow money i went and i borrowed

0:46:51

650 million dollars

0:46:53

at 75 basis points in the capital market

0:46:56

i issued a convertible bond

0:46:58

i bought the bitcoin

0:47:00

19 000.

0:47:02

the stock kept trading up bitcoin kept

0:47:04

trading up we made

0:47:05

billions at that point

0:47:07

i went back to the market i borrowed a

0:47:09

billion dollars at zero percent interest

0:47:12

because why wouldn't you

0:47:13

and i

0:47:15

if the if the money supply is expanding

0:47:17

at 25 a year and you can borrow money at

0:47:19

zero percent interest all you got to do

0:47:21

is buy something which is scarce

0:47:24

right so i bought a billion dollars of

0:47:26

bitcoin i issued a billion dollars a

0:47:28

bond to make a long story short we ended

0:47:31

up borrowing 2.2 billion dollars at one

0:47:33

and a half percent interest we bought

0:47:35

the bitcoin

0:47:36

uh bitcoin has hit an all-time high we

0:47:38

now have about seven and a half billion

0:47:40

dollars worth of bitcoin

0:47:42

we've made about a four billion dollar

0:47:44

investment profit on it the stock went

0:47:47

from 120 to 850.

0:47:50

we generated about 8 billion dollars in

0:47:52

shareholder value in 12 months have you

0:47:54

talked to your limited partners who got

0:47:56

out early

0:48:00

it's complicated when you're public

0:48:00

traded you can't even admit

0:48:03

but you know so now what are we we're

0:48:05

like uh we're a 500 million dollar

0:48:07

software company generating maybe 80 to

0:48:10

100 million dollars a year in cash flow

0:48:12

growing zero to 10 a year right with

0:48:16

a seven and a half to eight billion

0:48:18

dollar

0:48:18

endowment that's growing 170 a year

0:48:23

but you know it's like

0:48:25

why not like so now you know if you're a

0:48:27

university you want an endowment and now

0:48:29

i can we can do what we want so

0:48:32

somebody gets it first of all that was

0:48:33

how long have we gone how long is this

0:48:37

would that you spoke uninterrupted for

0:48:39

about 50 minutes you can cut that no no

0:48:42

i know that was amazing that was like

0:48:43

one of the most little things i've ever

0:48:44

heard i have two two questions okay

0:48:49

all of this is predicated

0:48:51

the the remarkable case you just made on

0:48:53

behalf of bitcoin is predicated on the

0:48:55

idea that bitcoin is safe and

0:48:56

fundamentally as a software matter they

0:48:58

can't be hacked you said that the

0:49:00

database that undergirds it is the most

0:49:02

secure in the world

0:49:05

you're why are we so positive that when

0:49:07

the caa can be hacked

0:49:09

that this can't be

0:49:12

when we

0:49:14

when we started down this journey

0:49:16

we were looking for

0:49:18

digital goal we're looking for

0:49:20

engineered perfect gold

0:49:23

that you can move at the speed of light

0:49:25

and program on a computer yes and the

0:49:27

theoretical answer to that is a crypto

0:49:31

asset that's got a fixed supply

0:49:33

that's secure yes so

0:49:36

we went on on this search and there are

0:49:38

10 000 cryptos tucker

0:49:40

right we had to look is it bitcoin is it

0:49:43

bitcoin cash is it one of the clones is

0:49:45

it is it dogecoin is it you know fill in

0:49:47

the blank

0:49:49

we applied the microstrategy test it's a

0:49:51

three-part test

0:49:53

will it be banned

0:49:55

will it be hacked

0:49:57

can it be copied

0:49:59

right

0:49:59

if you can duplicate it 18 000 times

0:50:02

then it's not scarce and it's not unique

0:50:04

it's not the dominant one

0:50:06

okay and and if you if it gets banned

0:50:09

that's no good for us and if it gets

0:50:10

hacked that's not good for us so first

0:50:12

of all how can you know the answer to

0:50:14

this from uh from the engineering itself

0:50:17

well you can't

0:50:19

if the year is 2009 or 2010 you don't

0:50:22

really know whether it'll be banned

0:50:23

copied or hacked right there's a lot of

0:50:25

uncertainty

0:50:27

we started on our quest in 2020 so in

0:50:30

2020 we had 12 years of history so what

0:50:33

did we see well

0:50:35

by 2020 the system had been attacked

0:50:39

thousands and thousands of times but no

0:50:41

one had hacked it

0:50:42

so we had we had a hundred and eighty

0:50:45

billion dollars sitting in a network

0:50:47

that no one could figure out how to hack

0:50:49

no one ever hacked it people by the way

0:50:51

people will hack the banks around it or

0:50:53

the wallets around it but not the

0:50:54

underlying network so we had 12 years of

0:50:58

of no hacking incident no

0:51:01

and and very good reason to believe it

0:51:04

won't be hacked because it is the most

0:51:06

secure database in the world and why is

0:51:08

it the most secure

0:51:09

because the way it works is you have to

0:51:12

you have to run a sha 256 asic miner

0:51:16

it's a very special purpose computer

0:51:19

that computer only does one thing it

0:51:21

protects bitcoin that's all it can do it

0:51:24

can't it can't stream video it can't

0:51:27

process for aws

0:51:29

that that network is million or that

0:51:32

computer is millions of times more

0:51:33

efficient at

0:51:34

generating uh crypto hashes that defend

0:51:38

the bitcoin network that's just it's a

0:51:40

special purpose thing seven generations

0:51:43

if you turned all of the aws network or

0:51:45

the azure network against it it wouldn't

0:51:48

make a dent

0:51:49

because this is a very special purpose

0:51:52

piece of hardware so the technology

0:51:55

that's used to secure the network is

0:51:57

called proof of work

0:51:59

and proof of work is

0:52:00

is i pour a lot of energy into the

0:52:03

network and i run it through

0:52:05

an encryption algorithm and that's a

0:52:07

shaw 256 hash generator and the

0:52:11

combination of those two things with the

0:52:12

protocol means that the dominant

0:52:16

crypto asset proof of work network will

0:52:19

always be the most secure one and

0:52:21

everyone will always defect from the

0:52:23

weaker one to the stronger one so

0:52:26

we saw that it hadn't been hacked

0:52:28

there's no way to there's no way to

0:52:30

finesse it

0:52:32

no matter what you do because it really

0:52:35

it's a brute force

0:52:37

crypt wall of encrypted energy

0:52:40

if you want to attack the network and

0:52:42

even try to meddle with one block you'd

0:52:45

have to throw 10 billion dollars of

0:52:47

capital equipment at it and it'll

0:52:49

probably take you two to four years to

0:52:51

get ready to do that okay so that leads

0:52:53

exactly to my next question so that

0:52:54

that's really

0:52:56

only government would do that and that

0:52:59

that leads to next question which is

0:53:00

right

0:53:02

um so like what's the government of

0:53:04

government is an organization that

0:53:06

controls a discrete territory has

0:53:08

borders

0:53:09

and mints the coins issues the currency

0:53:13

this is seems to me like an existential

0:53:15

threat no overstatement to the the idea

0:53:17

of a nation state an independent

0:53:19

international currency

0:53:21

why would governments

0:53:22

allow this

0:53:24

yeah so that gets to the question of

0:53:25

will it be banned

0:53:28

by the way can't be hacked for what i

0:53:30

said it can't be copied because you got

0:53:32

to come up with the same 10 billion

0:53:34

worth of energy and special purpose

0:53:36

hardware and

0:53:38

if you had that much energy and hardware

0:53:40

you'd be getting paid 10 billion dollars

0:53:42

a year to use it to protect bitcoin or

0:53:45

get paid zero to try to copy it so right

0:53:48

so it doesn't make any sense to try to

0:53:49

copy it it's like the dominant monetary

0:53:52

network like google and facebook are

0:53:55

also dominant networks once you get to

0:53:56

that dominant position

0:53:58

it it's obscenely difficult

0:54:01

coming back to the banning um

0:54:04

there's a there's a kind of misnomer

0:54:06

people often call it crypto currencies

0:54:08

currencies but it's not a currency it's

0:54:11

an asset it's a crypto asset so you're

0:54:14

right tucker if the government thought

0:54:16

it was a currency and if it competed

0:54:19

with the us dollar or other currencies

0:54:21

then they would take offense and they

0:54:24

will suppress it

0:54:26

but on the other hand if it's viewed as

0:54:28

an asset which competes with gold or

0:54:30

with index funds or with bonds or

0:54:33

property or real estate just a store of

0:54:36

value or silver

0:54:39

you know you can hold

0:54:41

sp s p index funds and bonds and you can

0:54:45

own land and you can own property the

0:54:47

government would simply like you to

0:54:49

disclose when you sell it to someone

0:54:51

else at a profit and pay your taxes on

0:54:53

it a capital gains tax and if you wanted

0:54:56

to wire a hundred million dollars worth

0:54:58

of property to someone else they

0:54:59

probably want you to disclose that per

0:55:01

the aml kyc

0:55:04

you know anti-money it will be earned

0:55:05

enough honestly

0:55:08

it can be owned anonymously except

0:55:12

as a practical matter if you want to

0:55:14

acquire large sums of it

0:55:16

you have to acquire them on registered

0:55:18

exchanges so you'd be going to an

0:55:20

institutional grade custodian which is

0:55:22

licensed so what you see

0:55:24

maybe you get to a very important point

0:55:29

the government is regulated

0:55:32

where it is allowed and it's allowed

0:55:33

everywhere except there's some there's

0:55:35

some noise in china china is a different

0:55:37

situation in the western world

0:55:40

the regulations are you can hold this as

0:55:43

long as you uh disclose it via a

0:55:47

regulated entity so you're buying it

0:55:49

through

0:55:50

through a registered exchange and then

0:55:52

when you transfer it you're subject to

0:55:54

irs tax

0:55:56

you have to pay capital gains tax could

0:55:58

you conduct anonymous

0:56:01

exchanges

0:56:02

with it i mean i i'm just thinking

0:56:05

through ways that it would undermine the

0:56:07

authority of the government which by the

0:56:08

way i'm not against necessarily but

0:56:15

that's actually uh the primary

0:56:15

the primary issues before congress and

0:56:18

the senate right now right treasury

0:56:21

if you look at the past week the

0:56:22

treasury the sec the cftc congress and

0:56:25

the center are engaged in a

0:56:28

enthusiastic dialogue about what kind of

0:56:31

regulations will be applied to the

0:56:34

transfer

0:56:35

and uh and to the utilization of crypto

0:56:38

assets

0:56:40

but the most important for example

0:56:43

if you issue a crypto asset which looks

0:56:45

like a security like mikey coin

0:56:48

if i create mikey coin and i keep half

0:56:50

of it and i i issue the rest and i

0:56:52

market it it looks more like a security

0:56:54

or a stock

0:56:55

right that's going to fall under the

0:56:57

jurisdiction of the sec most likely

0:56:59

right if it looks like there's a there's

0:57:02

a set of crypto assets called stable

0:57:03

coins

0:57:05

that look like u.s dollars

0:57:07

uh the the president's working committee

0:57:09

about a week ago suggested that only

0:57:11

fdic approved banks should issue stable

0:57:14

coins they want anybody issuing stable

0:57:16

coins to be fdic

0:57:18

approved insured licensed so

0:57:21

there is regulation coming into the

0:57:23

space

0:57:24

ultimately

0:57:26

i think that the security tokens will be

0:57:27

under pressure the stable coins will be

0:57:29

treated like money markets in cyberspace

0:57:32

and probably

0:57:35

we're rotating from the crypto

0:57:36

entrepreneurs to the institutional

0:57:38

publicly traded institutions large banks

0:57:43

bitcoin

0:57:44

what it was going to be was a question

0:57:45

until 2014 when the irs designated his

0:57:48

property

0:57:54

you're either property or your currency

0:57:54

in an inflationary environment money

0:57:57

decomposes into currency and into an

0:58:00

asset component uh or property come on

0:58:03

if you will the currency is a medium of

0:58:06

exchange that you can transmit without

0:58:08

incurring a tax obligation right

0:58:11

right i give you a million dollars worth

0:58:12

of dollars you hold it for a year you

0:58:14

give it to her there's no tax bill

0:58:17

it's just it's a stable coin stable

0:58:20

medium of exchange on the other hand i

0:58:22

give you a million dollars of bitcoin

0:58:24

you hold it for a year

0:58:26

you give a million dollars a bitcoin to

0:58:28

her and if the price doubled

0:58:30

then you owe a five hundred thousand

0:58:32

dollar you're a tax on five hundred

0:58:34

thousand dollars of capital gain

0:58:36

see or actually maybe yeah in that case

0:58:39

right you transferred a million dollars

0:58:41

of bitcoin with a basis of 500 000 a

0:58:43

capital gain of 500 000 you owe capital

0:58:45

gains when you transfer could i make

0:58:46

that and not that i'm a criminal or

0:58:48

anything but i i don't know i don't

0:58:49

think everything needs to be monitored

0:58:51

by the government could i

0:58:53

under the current system transfer that

0:58:57

bitcoin to someone else without the

0:58:58

government knowing i think right now in

0:59:01

the u.s and all the institutional

0:59:03

custodians i know of if you go above ten

0:59:05

thousand dollars the which is the aml

0:59:07

limit for most banks they're required to

0:59:09

disclose that

0:59:11

right so that so we're moving to the

0:59:13

point where if you're transferring

0:59:16

property like if you wired me a million

0:59:18

dollars with apple stock right right

0:59:20

your bank you know there'd be a tax bill

0:59:22

on that for sure if you wire me a

0:59:24

million dollars of bitcoin through any

0:59:26

kind of institutional exchange there's a

0:59:28

a tax it's impossible to

0:59:30

buy and sell bitcoin outside of

0:59:32

institutional exchanges

0:59:34

there are peer-to-peer networks and and

0:59:37

there's a lot of back and forth over

0:59:38

whether or not those are allowed or not

0:59:41

allowed and it varies by jurisdiction so

0:59:44

i think that that's going to get

0:59:45

regulated and is regulated differently

0:59:47

in every jurisdiction generally the

0:59:49

scurrying is

0:59:51

what's what's the regulation around tax

0:59:55

transfer disclosure anti-money

0:59:57

laundering counter-terrorism disclosures

1:00:00

right

1:00:00

is the disclosure none at all is the

1:00:02

disclosure above 10 000 is the

1:00:04

disclosure at 600

1:00:06

and so all of the sparks

1:00:09

are around how much economic freedom

1:00:12

right and they have different impact for

1:00:14

example by the way could you when you

1:00:15

use the terms

1:00:17

terrorism and money laundering can you

1:00:19

use air quotes do you mind

1:00:25

it's above my pay grade

1:00:33

here's my key point right

1:00:33

you're a family you're an institutional

1:00:35

investor you're a corporation you see

1:00:37

inflation

1:00:39

you either buy some land yes you buy

1:00:42

some stocks you buy a bunch of gold or

1:00:44

you buy bitcoin

1:00:46

why would you buy the bitcoin because

1:00:48

you want the apex assets exactly you you

1:00:51

don't want the dilution of gold you

1:00:53

don't want the dilution of stocks you

1:00:55

don't want the property tax on property

1:00:57

you don't want the maintenance headache

1:00:59

of property

1:01:00

all other forms of property can be

1:01:02

impaired confiscated inflated away

1:01:05

all other forms of property right you

1:01:07

have rental

1:01:08

buildings in new york city and there's a

1:01:10

rent control and you can't evict your

1:01:12

tenants and there's a property tax

1:01:15

it's hard to sell it

1:01:17

and you've got to maintain it and so

1:01:20

all other properties that come with the

1:01:21

maintenance costs they come with the

1:01:23

risk the idea of bitcoin is

1:01:27

digital

1:01:28

property

1:01:30

it's it's

1:01:31

it's digital gold is digital properties

1:01:33

digital money is digital energy the idea

1:01:36

is let's create something pure

1:01:39

it's better gold than gold because a

1:01:41

billion dollars of it is weightless

1:01:42

moves at the speed of light for free and

1:01:45

i can hold it in my head

1:01:48

it's better property than property

1:01:49

because there's no maintenance costs and

1:01:51

i can't seize it from you

1:01:57

it's better money because for the same

1:01:57

reason it moves at the speed of light

1:01:59

it's programmable

1:02:01

try to send money on a saturday

1:02:03

afternoon if try to send a currency on a

1:02:04

saturday afternoon from a bank here to a

1:02:06

bank in france or a bank in nigeria

1:02:08

can't do it you know just can't do it so

1:02:15

it's not

1:02:15

spoils of war it's spoils of peace

1:02:18

this is another big idea i want to make

1:02:21

with everything else if we monetize if

1:02:24

we have a bunch of money if i give you a

1:02:26

million dollars and i tell you go buy

1:02:28

stuff with it and you buy gold jewelry

1:02:30

in a house and a car and whatever and i

1:02:32

want it

1:02:33

i put a gun to your head give me your

1:02:35

stuff tucker and you say no i shoot you

1:02:38

and take your stuff

1:02:40

there's nothing

1:02:41

in this world that you can own that i

1:02:43

can't take with force

1:02:46

except bitcoin okay if you take the

1:02:49

million dollars and you buy bitcoin and

1:02:51

you take personal custody of it and you

1:02:53

own the keys the keys password is in

1:02:55

your head i hold the gun to your head

1:02:56

give me your bitcoin you can say no now

1:02:59

i can still shoot you in the head

1:03:01

but i don't get the property

1:03:03

you see

1:03:05

you can take it this is the only proper

1:03:07

in the history of mankind tucker you can

1:03:09

take to the grave

1:03:11

the pharaohs wanted to take their goal

1:03:12

with them to the grave they created

1:03:14

these pyramids to bury themselves with

1:03:15

gold but grave diggers engraved robbers

1:03:18

steal the gold

1:03:19

you can't take anything else with you

1:03:23

but you can take

1:03:25

the password in your head why is that

1:03:27

significant well you study the history

1:03:29

of the jews in the 30s in nazi germany

1:03:32

and and most of them left with if they

1:03:34

were lucky 10 of their assets

1:03:37

they would have left with all their

1:03:38

assets if their assets were in bitcoin

1:03:40

they couldn't move their house they

1:03:41

can't move a building you can't haul the

1:03:44

maybe you try to smuggle diamonds not

1:03:46

very good store of value

1:03:48

it's the history of every diaspora every

1:03:50

people when you leave

1:03:52

you know when the jews got driven out of

1:03:55

spain and whatever 14 1500 you know

1:03:58

during the inquisition

1:04:00

it was all over property right they're

1:04:01

stealing their property

1:04:03

so what are property rights

1:04:06

property rights is you can own stuff and

1:04:07

no one can take it away from you

1:04:10

i had a million dollars in a bank in

1:04:12

argentina 20 years ago it was in u.s

1:04:15

dollars the peso was one to the dollar

1:04:18

the argentine government sent a memo to

1:04:20

the banks forcibly converted everybody's

1:04:22

dollars to pesos and then forcibly

1:04:24

devalued the peso 10 for one and i woke

1:04:27

up the next morning and a hundred

1:04:28

thousand dollars i had a million dollars

1:04:30

a day before

1:04:32

they stole 90 percent of all the

1:04:34

currency from everybody in the country

1:04:36

overnight on a fax

1:04:38

without a law without an army

1:04:41

now how hard would it be to take

1:04:44

all of the property or of everybody in

1:04:46

the country with bitcoin you have to go

1:04:48

arrest 60 million people sweat them all

1:04:50

into jail for 90 days how do you arrest

1:04:52

60 million people sweat them in jail for

1:04:54

90 days

1:04:55

it's like a billion times harder

1:04:59

bitcoin is property rights properly

1:05:01

understood

1:05:02

and that is an impor important economic

1:05:05

empowerment it's a protection of

1:05:07

individual liberties it's john locke's

1:05:09

dream

1:05:10

life liberty and property

1:05:12

you know

1:05:13

go west young man why people come to

1:05:16

america because if you were catholic in

1:05:18

northern europe they took your land and

1:05:20

property if you're protestant in

1:05:22

southern europe they took your land and

1:05:24

property if you're a jewish person

1:05:25

everywhere they're always taking your

1:05:27

land and property everybody went to

1:05:29

america so that they could actually have

1:05:31

freedom and have property and no one

1:05:33

would take it at the point of a gun and

1:05:34

they kept moving west

1:05:36

bitcoin

1:05:38

is moving your property into cyber space

1:05:41

where it's protected by a wall of

1:05:43

encrypted energy against those that

1:05:45

would do you harm

1:05:49

because it's the hardest to tax and it's

1:05:52

the hardest to steal and it's the

1:05:54

hardest to co to confiscate it's

1:05:57

you know it makes it the last thing in

1:05:59

the world you're going to attack the

1:06:00

path of least resistance

1:06:02

right when it when it's time for me to

1:06:04

tax um tax property in california i'm

1:06:07

gonna put a tax on the building

1:06:08

buildings don't move

1:06:10

if i put a two percent tax on the

1:06:11

bitcoin the bitcoins moving to wyoming

1:06:14

if i put a put a two percent tax in

1:06:16

wyoming it's moving to whatever state in

1:06:18

the union they didn't tax it and when

1:06:19

the entire country taxes it is moving to

1:06:21

monaco and if everybody you know in

1:06:24

monaco taxes it i can sell it to someone

1:06:27

in china right

1:06:28

it's universally desirable scarce

1:06:32

property

1:06:33

hard to steal

1:06:34

you can

1:06:36

sell it you can put a lien on it you can

1:06:39

mortgage it you can develop it

1:06:42

you can protect it

1:06:45

and if your choice was

1:06:47

take all your money and invested in

1:06:49

buildings in the city of your choice or

1:06:51

invested in a company or securities or

1:06:54

invested in collectibles all those

1:06:56

things are subject to expropriation

1:06:59

confiscation inflation taxation

1:07:03

this is the first time we kind of solve

1:07:05

the problem

1:07:08

you know it doesn't make sense as long

1:07:10

as it's it's secure and can't be copied

1:07:12

and we had to wait 12 years 10 000 times

1:07:15

people tried to copy it they all failed

1:07:17

right was it hacked no will it be banned

1:07:20

well here's the thing that's happened in

1:07:22

the last 12 months tucker the irs said

1:07:25

its property

1:07:26

it's important for it to be property not

1:07:28

currency currency is the provenance of

1:07:31

the government right every gov every

1:07:33

powerful government will have a currency

1:07:36

every week government will have a

1:07:37

collapsing currency and every failed

1:07:39

government will lose their currency

1:07:41

privileges hence 66 countries dollarize

1:07:44

there's going to be collapse 100

1:07:46

countries will probably lose their

1:07:47

currency privileges eventually you got

1:07:49

the cny the usd

1:07:51

a few powerful second level currencies

1:07:54

and then name one currency in africa

1:07:56

that you would rather hold in the dollar

1:07:58

there's just one name one currency in

1:08:01

south america you'd rather hold in the

1:08:02

dollar there isn't one why hasn't the

1:08:04

dollar spread to everybody's iphone and

1:08:07

android phone

1:08:08

they're rating they're waiting for the

1:08:10

crypto rails

1:08:11

right at the point that i can download a

1:08:14

mobile app load it up with 87

1:08:18

every other currency in the world starts

1:08:19

to collapse into the us dollar assuming

1:08:22

the united states embraces it so why has

1:08:24

the united states embraced it

1:08:26

the united states has embraced it

1:08:28

why why has the chinese nation been a

1:08:31

bit skittish about it well china's got a

1:08:33

wall and behind that wall they have

1:08:35

capital controls they don't want capital

1:08:37

to flow freely a chinese citizen can't

1:08:39

take a million dollars out of china they

1:08:41

just can't that behind that wall they

1:08:43

block google they block facebook they

1:08:45

bought twitter they block the free flow

1:08:46

of capital that's that's how they

1:08:48

control their system they print chinese

1:08:51

currency if there was a free flow of

1:08:53

capital all the current capital would

1:08:55

leave china

1:08:56

they'd have a problem so they've got

1:08:58

their system

1:08:59

and in the west we've got a western

1:09:01

system where we allow google and twitter

1:09:03

and facebook and the and the western

1:09:05

system is based on the english language

1:09:07

western values

1:09:09

generally western law

1:09:12

us dollar

1:09:13

bitcoin

1:09:15

right

1:09:17

the in the last year the u.s has

1:09:19

embraced bitcoin the chinese have

1:09:22

rejected bitcoin at this point you have

1:09:25

jerome powell saying this is an asset

1:09:27

it's not a currency it's an asset you

1:09:29

have gary gensler the head of the sec

1:09:31

saying this is an asset it's a scarce

1:09:34

speculative asset they say it's

1:09:35

speculative of course it's speculative

1:09:38

right if it wasn't speculative

1:09:40

then 100 trillion dollars would flow

1:09:42

into it it would be it would have grown

1:09:44

by a factor of 100 by now i mean there

1:09:46

has to be some risk it's a speculative

1:09:48

store of value christina legard says

1:09:50

it's an asset even the bankers when

1:09:52

they're criticizing quote unquote they

1:09:54

say it's not a currency it's not a

1:09:56

medium of exchange

1:09:58

yeah you're right it doesn't need to be

1:09:59

a medium of exchange

1:10:01

you don't need it you don't need to

1:10:02

replace the us dollar in the western

1:10:05

world to fix things what you need to do

1:10:07

is give people a savings account

1:10:10

i want to hold one month of my salary in

1:10:12

dollars i want to store everything else

1:10:14

for the next 10 years or 100 years in an

1:10:17

asset which is going up in value

1:10:20

if you look

1:10:21

if you look at what's happened

1:10:24

the white the administration's in favor

1:10:26

of this this is a broadly bipartisan

1:10:28

thing sent the alumnus stood up on on

1:10:30

the floor of the senate and said thank

1:10:32

god for bitcoin

1:10:34

bitcoin is sound money

1:10:36

it's sell money to the right it's sound

1:10:37

money to the left who doesn't want to

1:10:39

economically empower everybody on earth

1:10:42

right it's it's good for everybody in

1:10:44

the world

1:10:45

there's there's broad support in the

1:10:47

senate there's bipartisan support in the

1:10:50

senate and broad support in the house

1:10:53

there's broad support in the

1:10:54

administration

1:10:56

people were a bit confused that it might

1:10:58

be a currency and it's going to replace

1:11:00

the dollar and if so then that's uh an

1:11:02

existential problem but once once you

1:11:06

take that turn you say

1:11:07

this is not a problem for the dollar

1:11:09

this is us replacing the foundation of

1:11:11

the economy that currently rests on

1:11:16

other fiat assets which are in in uh

1:11:19

imperfect and efficient

1:11:21

right the first thing that collapses is

1:11:25

gold has been collapsing for a decade

1:11:26

goes down four percent in the most

1:11:28

inflationary year of our business career

1:11:30

it's down four percent bitcoin's up 340

1:11:33

percent tucker what's bitcoin trading

1:11:35

out right now

1:11:36

66 000 67 thousand

1:11:40

last question last question if you had

1:11:42

to call it how high do you think in the

1:11:44

next five years bitcoin could get

1:11:48

this is per coin but you know

1:11:50

bitcoin's going up forever because it's

1:11:52

a cap supply of 21 million and it's

1:11:55

going to go up

1:11:56

because of inflation right we're going

1:11:58

to increase the supply of dollars and

1:12:00

bitcoin is going to be fixed so in

1:12:02

dollars it goes up it's going to go up

1:12:03

because of technical utility we're going

1:12:05

to build it into iphones and android

1:12:07

phones and put it into every computer

1:12:09

and move it at the speed of light and

1:12:11

build it into twitter and square and

1:12:12

paypal and then

1:12:14

and the like so that'll cause it to go

1:12:17

up it's going to go up for adoption

1:12:18

because of adoption more and more people

1:12:21

are gonna bring their money and

1:12:23

it's not like facebook it's not like uh

1:12:25

when rupert murdoch showed up at

1:12:26

facebook he didn't bring a billion

1:12:28

friends

1:12:29

when a billionaire joins a monetary

1:12:31

network they bring a billion dollars

1:12:33

so when a hundred billionaires show up

1:12:35

they bring hundreds of billions of

1:12:37

dollars when companies when

1:12:38

institutional investors show up they

1:12:40

bring massive amounts of capital so it

1:12:43

will keep going up with adoption utility

1:12:45

and inflation and eventually

1:12:48

you know it will replace gold which is

1:12:50

10 trillion dollar asset bitcoins like a

1:12:52

1.2 it'll go by a factor of 10. and in

1:12:55

in three to five years it'll certainly

1:12:56

replace gold

1:12:58

then it will replace indexes right the s

1:13:01

p index or bond indexes it'll start to

1:13:03

demonetize

1:13:06

fixed income and equity indexes that are

1:13:08

used as a store of value

1:13:10

right because that's right now people

1:13:11

they want to save their money for a long

1:13:13

period of time they use that and

1:13:15

gradually it'll demonetize property like

1:13:18

you know in canada they got a housing

1:13:19

shortage because foreigners go and they

1:13:21

buy the houses you know as an investment

1:13:23

and the locals can't afford a house yeah

1:13:25

i've noticed same problem in the u.s yes

1:13:27

we're monetizing

1:13:29

houses that is to say if i print

1:13:31

infinite money

1:13:32

the price of all i go and i buy

1:13:35

something tangible with the money before

1:13:37

it devalues the problem is people that

1:13:40

are starting their career that need to

1:13:41

buy a house can't afford to buy yes

1:13:43

so you don't want to monetize something

1:13:45

with utility exactly you know you

1:13:47

monetize food everybody starves you

1:13:49

monetize houses everybody's on the

1:13:51

street right so what bitcoin is doing is

1:13:53

it's demonetizing

1:13:56

commercial and

1:13:58

reasons decided no more bitcoin

1:13:59

down if the residential

1:14:03

i mean what would happen in residential

1:14:03

real estate markets

1:14:05

well i mean if if bitcoin went away then

1:14:08

then the other monetary assets would

1:14:10

monetize a bit more right but bitcoin is

1:14:14

1 trillion out of 500 trillion in stuff

1:14:17

out there so it's still

1:14:19

it's still less than one percent but you

1:14:21

know gold would get a slight boost

1:14:23

gold is is really being uh why is it

1:14:26

gold didn't go up 34 gold underperformed

1:14:29

the s p index in a year of political

1:14:31

unrest and massive rampant inflation

1:14:34

it's it's the one year in 40 years gold

1:14:36

should have gone up in price why because

1:14:38

everyone looking for a non-sovereign

1:14:40

store of value grabbed the crypto gold

1:14:43

right they they occupy the same niche

1:14:46

non-sovereign sound money store of value

1:14:49

not related to cash flows can't be

1:14:51

mocked with but the problem is gold can

1:14:54

be corrupted

1:14:55

gold is corrupted by gold miners and

1:14:57

gold brokers and gold dealers bitcoin

1:15:00

can't be corrupted in that way because

1:15:02

you can take possession of your own

1:15:04

bitcoin and the gold mine the bitcoin

1:15:05

miners can't make anymore

1:15:08

people say bitcoin is fixing things

1:15:11

right fix the money fix the world

1:15:13

bitcoin is is gradually demonetizing

1:15:17

these other assets and the idea is to

1:15:20

return rationality

1:15:22

to make things more rational

1:15:25

right if people start buying bitcoin

1:15:27

instead of buying a second investment

1:15:29

property

1:15:30

that price of property will go down for

1:15:32

people that want a first home yes

1:15:34

that's the idea if people start buying

1:15:36

bitcoin instead of bonds the price of

1:15:38

bonds will come down the yield will come

1:15:41

up exactly and if you want risk-free

1:15:43

yield you'll be able to buy that yield

1:15:46

it used to be a million dollars got you

1:15:48

a bond to paid you 50 000 a year now you

1:15:51

need 20 million dollars or 10 million

1:15:53

dollars to get a bond that pays 50 000 a

1:15:57

your retirement just went from costing

1:15:58

you a million it costing you 10 million

1:16:01

bitcoin is is demonetizing some of these

1:16:04

other assets and the stock market all

1:16:06

these meme stocks these are all symptoms

1:16:09

of too much money

1:16:10

right and and the the sky high p to e

1:16:13

ratios

1:16:16

the big picture the big idea here

1:16:19

tucker is

1:16:22

the average american the average the

1:16:24

average wage earner is forced to take

1:16:26

their life savings and gamble it in the

1:16:28

stock market in order to avoid losing

1:16:30

their life savings my 83 year old father

1:16:33

has to guess which stock is going to go

1:16:35

up this week

1:16:37

and whether it's exxon is better than

1:16:38

british petroleum or better than apple

1:16:40

or not so good as google in order to not

1:16:43

lose his life savings because if he puts

1:16:45

it into the bank he gets paid 0.1

1:16:47

percent interest

1:16:48

and it loses 25 of its purchasing power

1:16:50

a year and people aren't stupid they

1:16:53

know that things are going up faster

1:16:55

than two percent a year or four percent

1:16:56

a year or five percent a year so we're

1:16:58

stampeding an entire generation into

1:17:01

either at best investing in in stocks or

1:17:05

at worst gambling with meme stocks and

1:17:07

gambling with crypto random dog coins

1:17:11

because no one has a savings account

1:17:14

they trust bitcoin is a bank in

1:17:17

cyberspace offering a savings account

1:17:20

you're not gambling on the next product

1:17:22

release of apple versus google and

1:17:25

whether amazon will get unionized and

1:17:27

whether you know this pipeline will get

1:17:29

approved and it's that's not right and

1:17:33

if you put all your money in the s p

1:17:34

index all the ceos print more stock and

1:17:37

dilute your money so you don't have to

1:17:39

do that

1:17:40

all you're buying is you're buying 121

1:17:43

millionth of the monetary energy in the

1:17:45

network forever

1:17:46

the product of bitcoin is just you're

1:17:48

going to buy a bit of money and hold it

1:17:50

forever and that's the product and it's

1:17:52

a very simple product should last for 10

1:17:54

000 years

1:17:56

you sold me i'm taking all my pallets of

1:17:58

762 ammo and convert converting them

1:18:01

um that was the single most interesting

1:18:06

explanation of economics i've heard

1:18:08

maybe ever

1:18:09

you're too kind that's you

1:18:12

bitcoin i mean the entire subject is

1:18:15

fascinating because i think you'd love

1:18:17

it if you get more into it because it's

1:18:19

austrian economics plus it's technology

1:18:22

plus it's political theory plus its

1:18:24

philosophy plus it's

1:18:26

you know there are there are elements of

1:18:28

human rights in it

1:18:30

the entire bitcoin coalition it's your

1:18:32

people on one side jack dorsey they see

1:18:35

it as economic empowerment for billions

1:18:37

of people you have people on other side

1:18:38

to see it that are rampant austrian

1:18:40

economist they're they're the freedom

1:18:42

fighters that the john locke

1:18:44

locks right of the world and

1:18:47

the property rights people the

1:18:48

libertarians and then

1:18:51

the engineers

1:18:52

i just like the idea of a stable store

1:18:55

of value

1:18:57

that can't be messed with

1:18:59

everyone's looking for that that's the

1:19:01

foundation upon which you build your

1:19:03

life of course

1:19:05

right build on granite

1:19:07

with steel

1:19:08

so bitcoin is crypto steel

1:19:10

it's like

1:19:12

it's like uh a steel ship a wooden ship

1:19:14

a balsa ship

1:19:16

you know

1:19:17

like okay i'll take this deal that's the

1:19:18

i that's the idea and we didn't we

1:19:21

didn't have it

1:19:22

for a thousand years right

1:19:25

we never had it before like it's before

1:19:28

you have to build with crumbling sand on

1:19:31

swamps and just

1:19:32

you're building on stuff that's sinking

1:19:34

underneath you and what's what's causes

1:19:37

so much passion

1:19:39

right what causes people to you know be

1:19:41

willing

1:19:43

to do anything to make this successful

1:19:45

is this thought that we finally found

1:19:47

something true and beautiful with

1:19:49

integrity

1:19:50

that gives us control of our life back

1:19:52

in a world where we feel like we've lost

1:19:55

control

1:19:56

to politicians we've lost control to

1:19:58

circumstances and everyone's looking for

1:20:01

some some way

1:20:03

something they can believe in that's

1:20:04

truly theirs

1:20:07

how is that for an explanation

1:20:09

michael saylor

1:20:11

what an amazing conversation thanks for

1:20:13

having me are you kidding we wanted to

1:20:15

know what bitcoin was we certainly found

1:20:17

out tucker carlson says the name of the

1:20:18

show new episodes every monday wednesday

1:20:20

and friday we'll see every week night

1:20:22

8pm in the fox news channel

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